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[MathBlade]

an exclamation point.

It could be anything. It doesn't matter how small it is, it is a pattern in your play that is highly indicative of your scumgame and almost never present in your towngame. You are a creature of habit and so you stay consistent in your openings, but subconsciously, something pushes you to add that "!" when you're scum. My guess would be either you enjoy playing scum or you get nervous playing scum and overcompensate. It doesn't matter why you do it though, all that matters is that it is a provable indicator that you are >90% (estimated, the actual percentage will be coming after quotes) likely to be scum here.

I'm going to start getting the quotes now.

Keyword. Almost.

What you have even if you spam the thread with all the evidence in the world that proves your point that I do something more often as scum, this doesn’t demonstrate me being scum this game. Even if I grant your argument, which I don’t, that doesn’t make me scum this game.

So I mean post all the evidence you want but I have elimmed scum D1, tried to stop a mis elim D2, and setting up town to win today. How exactly is that scum?

You on the other hand seen desperate for straws. Especially if I assume Not Mafia scum. You’re trying to pull at literally anything so I do not control the game. This is why I am cagey because scum realize they can’t breathe.

[Dwlee99]

*chants*
Kill the cow
Kill the cow
Kill the cow

[Not_Mafia]

*chants*
Kill the cow
Kill the cow
Kill the cow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Disregard my exclamation point point

VOTE: dwlee

The first time I went through I was looking at Math's whole ego and clicking what looked like Games, then when I went to get quotes I did an advanced search for Author "MathBlade" Return results as "Post Topics" and Search Forums under "Mafia Games" to filter out all the other topics I was sifting through visually the first time.

I've already found 2 towngames in the first 4 or so I opened that have exclamation points, so the presence is not AI after all

[Dwlee99]

That you thought it is alignment indicative ever is questionable

[MathBlade]

Disregard my exclamation point point

VOTE: dwlee

The first time I went through I was looking at Math's whole ego and clicking what looked like Games, then when I went to get quotes I did an advanced search for Author "MathBlade" Return results as "Post Topics" and Search Forums under "Mafia Games" to filter out all the other topics I was sifting through visually the first time.

I've already found 2 towngames in the first 4 or so I opened that have exclamation points, so the presence is not AI after all

Why even look in the first place? What prompted that?

[Not_Mafia]

That you thought it is alignment indicative ever is questionable

Why does scum kyoko go on this random tangent against a player almost certain not to be eliminated and then just drop it.

You're not scumhunting broseph

[Dwlee99]

Questionable doesn't mean scum-indicative or I would have said so

[Not_Mafia]

Questionable doesn't mean scum-indicative or I would have said so

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Disregard my exclamation point point

VOTE: dwlee

The first time I went through I was looking at Math's whole ego and clicking what looked like Games, then when I went to get quotes I did an advanced search for Author "MathBlade" Return results as "Post Topics" and Search Forums under "Mafia Games" to filter out all the other topics I was sifting through visually the first time.

I've already found 2 towngames in the first 4 or so I opened that have exclamation points, so the presence is not AI after all

Why even look in the first place? What prompted that?

You are insistent on speeding through this day, killing N_M without a case, ignoring any points I make against Dwlee. You talk about guiding us into a favorable ELO situation but it's exactly the way a deepwolf would win this - just talking mechanics that are protown and claiming it is protown to keep your reads close to your chest here. It positions you to be flexible to vote anyone left in MELO.

You, as town, should have a similar POV to me, as we are both the consensus townreads that are likely to be responsible for the decisionmaking in ELO due to the fact the conftown will die. You should realize, as I have, that there is no risk in outing what we're thinking as town right now - neither of us die before MELO, so our reads will not influence scums' kills, and even if they do, scum have to choose to leave conftown alive to kill either of us. That is what is

actually

pro-town. Instead you are trying to close discussion. By not talking now, we have fewer conftown to talk with when tomorrow and the next day come.

So I get suspicious, because your play doesn't

feel

quite like town. I feel like you

look

town but are intentionally leading town down the wrong path, and on top of that, you seem to be ignoring anything I have to say about Dwlee, who is my top scumread by play. I would expect town to engage me on this, but you aren't, so I get suspicious.

That's why I looked in the first place. Also I'm only alive in one game right now so I have a lot of time to look at meta for this one, and I hadn't looked at you yet. I've looked at Salsabil, Dwlee, Manatee (on D1), and you now. I already dived Marci in Owner's Market Blitz very recently, and I was scum with Titus in a large that has completed now, and scum against her in the Mini that traitor T3 guiltied my partner Manatee in, so I felt like I'd know if she was scum.

geraintm I was happy to leave a day yesterDay and it turned out he was IC so I never had to meta him. I feel like meta'ing N_M will be useless because of his playstyle but I should probably try.

[MathBlade]

You, as town, should have a similar POV to me, as we are both the consensus townreads that are likely to be responsible for the decisionmaking in ELO due to the fact the conftown will die. You should realize, as I have, that there is no risk in outing what we're thinking as town right now - neither of us die before MELO, so our reads will not influence scums' kills, and even if they do, scum have to choose to leave conftown alive to kill either of us. That is what is actually pro-town.

I agree with the first half of this.

As there are two conf towns it remains to the remaining players to argue it out. I have provided an example where likely town lead too hard and lost for it. I am literally arguing for the plan that makes the deep wolfing you suggest rather impossible. If I was scum I could have taken up either the Salsa or Dwlee paths whichever I am not scum with.

Your arguments feel very superficial and not thought out.
Your so concerned with scum data go look at my scum win rate. Go look at the elos played.

If you’re going to make an argument I am scum actually make it.

Like I could make almost anyone except the conf town look like scum with anyone else. The difference is I am not being manipulative here.

I think Not Mafia elim wins us the game. If town disagrees and elims elsewhere it does.

[Dwlee99]

Metabad

[geraintm]

If you can meta not mafia then please tell the rest of us

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: N_M meta

Lmao, just went to read some N_M games and the first one I open is a nightless micro where he gets hammered on page 1 as VT

Still looking, just thought I'd share.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Marci wya

[ManateeDude]

will wait for kyos N_M meta dive 2 give further thought

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I haven't been able to find scum games of his on my phone. I dont think Marci and Dwlee can be teamed though so even if N_M flips town, that leaves Salsa partnered with one of them, if I ignore {Math, Dwlee}. I'm kind of prepared to ignore that pairing at this point because I feel like nobody else thinks it's possible, so if that is the team, I've lost regardless.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The town games of his I've read though seem different than this one. Like he's trying in them. Here he isn't trying until toDay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But hes finally a wagon, I think in most of the games I read he was a D1 elim, so he had to try early so he could get thoughts out before dying

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I just dont know if he does the same as scum because I haven't found a scumgame yet

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I may have actually found something in N_M meta, fiNlly found a scum game. will have to go back to town games and look for it there too though

[Not_Mafia]

Interesting

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah only took a couple of towngames to find it's present there as well. I didnt really expect it to not be there.

[Dwlee99]

I don't care about meta. NM has done nothing this game. When pressured he continues to do nothing. It's steak time

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't care about meta. Dwlee has done nothing this game. When pressured he continues to do nothing. It's egg time