Mafiascum.net

In post 1922, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1913, Dorsey wrote:This is what I was talking about, Dwlee99 - isn't that shit weird? There HAS to be something deeper going on.

No I have no idea

Dwleeee hiiiiii
We got off on the wrong foot this game - i'm sorry for disliking your opening moves

mind helping me assemble a few townies that we can work together with? ur (somewhat?) townreading me yeah?

@Ico - Because I'm human
@Andres - I'm cool with flipping T3 as well, it's just that if he's evil, at least he's relatively nice about it. And he doesn't seem that influential. Datisi is swinging wagons.

P-edits

In post 1921, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1726, T3 wrote: At this point I think I know what A50 is doing (if i'm wrong then i'll look really stupid postgame )
I wasn't entirely sure if what he was doing comes from scum a50 or town a50.

Datisi thinks anyone with a read of A50 is lying basically, but somehow neglects to address this? Why?

how is that a read on A50
it literally quotes 'i have no idea from which allignment this comes'

In post 1925, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1922, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1913, Dorsey wrote:This is what I was talking about, Dwlee99 - isn't that shit weird? There HAS to be something deeper going on.

No I have no idea

Dwleeee hiiiiii
We got off on the wrong foot this game - i'm sorry for disliking your opening moves

mind helping me assemble a few townies that we can work together with? ur (somewhat?) townreading me yeah?

Andres, you, wiki town is where I feel most comfortable rn.

okay

if i told you i'd be willing to flip anywhere in T3/Three/dorsey (from the top of my head), that sound ok to you?

Andres - why is datisi not town to you? I feel he's posted enough to warrant at least a day 1 townlean, even for you

T3, who is Andre for you?

In post 1728, Datisi wrote:

In post 1711, Andresvmb wrote:Chances are, my suspicion was way off, and the Scum are knowingly avoiding you. It’s part of the reason I TR Selynee actually (they’ve expressed misgivings of your slot). It’s the sort of thing that would be a total waste coming from Scum.

i'm too stupid for this, please explain

oh yeah, i was also annoyed at you because you lowkey seem to be ignoring what i'm asking about *why* you had such huge problems with my early sel suspicion

there's a voice telling me you're actually trying to shut me out by ignoring me, i don't want to listen to it but it's getting louder

If the Scum Team perceives that a player is hard to get executed, or the wagon will seem very obviously Scum driven upon the flip of a loud Town player, then they’re far more likely to simply avoid that player and NK them, while giving them a TR. I am perceiving that a lot of players have a TR of DW, who started the game out probing and aggressive, because (in part) DW was broadly perceived as Town. So, players still expressing reservations, though not pushing them all that hard, are most likely wasting their time. If I wanted to show nuance as Scum, I guess I could act paranoid around DW while still ultimately TR there. But it’s just much easier to express a TR and move on.

If I see that a player is acting Townier and Townier as the game goes on, to the point were people are forced to change their stances around a player, then early attempts to sideline them or push them for execution could be thought of as coming from Scum. After all, Scum want to get a mis-execution above having to execute their own Partners. It’s the same reasoning I would apply to anyone that pushed Dorsey in hindsight (particularly if Dorsey flips Town, but I have to assume it in part given my perception of the slot).

Does that make sense?

In post 1927, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1921, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1726, T3 wrote: At this point I think I know what A50 is doing (if i'm wrong then i'll look really stupid postgame )
I wasn't entirely sure if what he was doing comes from scum a50 or town a50.

Datisi thinks anyone with a read of A50 is lying basically, but somehow neglects to address this? Why?

how is that a read on A50
it literally quotes 'i have no idea from which allignment this comes'

They’re saying that now, after calling A50 Scum and saying their WIM indicates Scum and shading there repeatedly. Why is that being ignored?

T3's been shading a good number of people, including myself

but he hasn't really stuck his neck out on any them that I can remember, including the ones that actually got pressured so I don't know what to make of it

at the very least he's here and talkative and responding and stuff
if i seriously scumread his actions i'd be all over his ass trust me

In post 1757, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1696, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1637, Iconeum wrote:@Andres do you honestly like the sheeple you have with you?

Doesn't dorsey look like a juicy wagon to you?
I'd be down running up Looker as an alternative, what do you think about that?

Dorsey is now a bad execution. I hope you can see that yeah? Which means, you should reconsider your worldview a bit. I know I am.

i don't see it? Dorsey is still refusing to work with anyone, blaming players and basicly the whole system because they are under pressure

lashing out, even saying something like 'why are you looking at me, there were more influencial votes then mine' which pings me

It’s the defeatism, and not the lashing out that to me seemed very obviously coming from Town. There’s some players that can really pull that manipulative nonsense (aka Pooky), but it’s hard to fake. So I’m TR’ing it for now and looking elsewhere.

In post 1934, Iconeum wrote:T3's been shading a good number of people, including myself

but he hasn't really stuck his neck out on any them that I can remember, including the ones that actually got pressured so I don't know what to make of it

at the very least he's here and talkative and responding and stuff
if i seriously scumread his actions i'd be all over his ass trust me

I’m SR’ing the shit out of the slot. Shading half the game (literally) and still not acknowledging that fact or really providing some more detail on where they stand now, or providing more TRs than what, DW, and going with whatever they think can get executed, why is this not being SR’ed?

In post 1759, Iconeum wrote: As for Datisi… weakspot definitely. But he probably coulda just wrecked me for an easy miselim on day 1 tbh. Or at least gave it a shot without losing too much face. I'm fine townreading him right now

See here is where I don’t agree.

I’m not saying Datisi is Scum btw. I just don’t know. What I am saying is that I think you underestimate how difficult it would be for Datisi to push for your execution as Scum and you as Town, and not look like crap for it. There’s more than 1 player in this game that knows that you and Datisi like to play together, can read each other reasonably well, and have won games together on the back of that. We won a game because Datisi defended your slot when I was SR’ing you, and it made me change my mind. I’ve experienced it. And you just don’t go quietly into the night. I know you would be putting out (as you have already btw) really direct questions as to why Datisi is doing what they’re doing, out of everyone else. I don’t buy in the least that Datisi thinks they could get you mis-executed easily and not pay any price for it.

In post 1763, geraintm wrote:

In post 1669, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1616, T3 wrote:like i think i've won most of my recent scumgames? (by recent i mean 3 months lol)

either way you're voting me for disagreeing with you but you aren't pausing to actually invalidate my reasoning

You’re almost making an argument as to why we should execute you..

bad post. this is one of those "i didnt want to eliminate you, you made me do it,oh whoops you are green" type of posts

1 naughty point for Andres

You need to focus your energy on slots that are actually possibly Scum. You’ve played with me enough that yeah fine, you don’t like to express early reads, but you really should be able to tell that I’m not Scum. At some point this starts to look Scummy to me.

^unfortunately geraintm, I also know we aren’t particularly good at reading each other. So meh.

In post 1773, Three wrote:

In post 1755, Datisi wrote:wouldn't it be really fucking hilarious if i now said that i think dorsey is town?

i think it would

(:

VOTE: three

scum!three spews dorsey!town and three just nosedived in my reads

will properly explain within the next 1-5 business hours, stay tuned

I did what now? Dorsey is one of my scum reads?? You

just

said I was town ten hours prior to this, and now you're convinced that I'm scum? This is such a wild progression lmao. The more you post about me the more I just think you're full of shit.

VOTE: Datisi

And for the record, Three actually has a point here. Datisi arguing that Three nosedived because they spewed Dorsey Town really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

In post 1786, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai

Frankly Ico I’m finding this a little baffling.

In post 1896, Dwlee99 wrote:How about this....give me your most convincing scumread and like 2 or 3 sentences and I'll tell you if you're town off of it

In post 1897, Dwlee99 wrote:^@t3

I want to see a response to this.

In post 256, Wiki wrote:Town:
Daitsi, Ico, Gamma, Three, Andre/A50

If someone's going to use my 180 to find an imaginary contradiction, I should be able to use this (76 posts later) to point out the same. Right?

Also, earlier in the game (I think it was page 2) Wiki says everyone's 50/50, which can only be true if he's Town in Elo (removing himself results in an equal number of each faction in the remaining players). Yes, I am nitpicking, but I think that's how Scumhunting is being done nowadays.

In post 262, Wiki wrote:

In post 260, Wiki wrote:vagon

wagon

And this even proves he's a GERMAN SPY!

In post 1926, Dorsey wrote:@Ico - Because I'm human
@Andres - I'm cool with flipping T3 as well, it's just that if he's evil, at least he's relatively nice about it. And he doesn't seem that influential. Datisi is swinging wagons.

P-edits

If you want Datisi executed, you’re going to have to attack A50’s case as to why Datisi is Town.

And Datisi being influential is a good thing provided we can better ascertain their alignment. Which we should be able to do at some point this game.

Maybe t3 is a scum.

In post 1930, Iconeum wrote:Andres - why is datisi not town to you? I feel he's posted enough to warrant at least a day 1 townlean, even for you

Datisi has voted Selynee (who I TR’ed), Three (who I TR’ed, though not strongly), Dorsey (who I also TR’ed based on the emotions I’m perceiving in their content), and geraintm (Null). Yes Datisi has massive amounts of content and is showing some Towny frustration. And we agree on some core (rather uncontroversial) reads. Except on Wiki btw - I would accept this level of posting coming from Wiki from a relative beginner, but since they’ve claimed to be experienced, it could very well be intentional to drive Town apathy (towards the game and their slot). Though continue including all the caveats I have expressed previously on the slot. So yeah, it’s the votes more than anything else that are giving me pause. But again, I could be wrong you know about how I’m seeing the game. Datisi could be Town and have a better sense than me. It’s why I’m not loudly advocating for Datisi’s execution. Just expressing reservations.

We all need the end of d1.

Go elim a50 or gera and go to the night.
If smb of them is green, this is not a big problem.
We need info