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Obscure do you have any reason to scumread Ydrasse other than that early game thing

In post 1757, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: gamma

thats L-1 claim

In post 1781, Frogsterking wrote:Firebringer is here to bail out Gamma or is just oblivious?

I don't buy into the associative read but this is probably +town for frog

In post 1787, scamper wrote:some quick bits on the new stuff:

- i think frogsterking is probably town
- im less decided on dannflor, he felt rather reactive tho ig thats to be expected when replacing into a slot and getting called scum right off the bat
- apart from the thing on dats, i didnt like conmanmicks 1714 bc it felt like he was just throwing out things to give the appearance of having opinions but with no visible reasoning its hard for me to believe a sub has that developed a view of the game, and it was all nonspecific
- i dont have any thoughts on obscure at this moment in time
- im still not seeing scum!gamma

Stop using your powers of foresight to manipulate me into townreading you

In post 1793, ConManMick wrote:Marci- posts seem to just be cutesy one liners alluding to solving the game but not really demonstrating any intent to contribute.

How do you think Marci would play different if she were town here?

In post 1829, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1826, humaneatingmonkey wrote:what about me makes you think i have a chip on my shoulder
what about my handling of her makes it not look right

I think you’re salty about last game and want to exact vengeance upon the one that sniffed you out, or at the very least you’re scared of a repeat

this feels wild enough to be +town ?

In post 1853, fireisredsir wrote:i think the following are town, unordered
[nero, ydra, scamper, hem, skitter/obscure slot]

im ok with treating the following as town for now, but am not as confident, also unordered
[datisi, deasvail, xofelf, ausuka, maaaybe ari]

im feeling slightly more sociable at the moment, ama while it lasts or don't idc

I initially thought this post was calling skitter obscure and I was like "what"

Ok so my reads list is something like

{Irrelephant, Marci, Nero, scamper, Ydrasse}
{Aristeia, Gamma, Guiltylion, humaneatingmoney, obscure, xofelf}
{Deasvail, Firebringer, Froggy}
{Datisi, fireisredsir}
{ConManMick, Dannsflor, VP Baltar}

Ftr I am starting to reconsider Datisi because even though I think he's been scummy I suck hard at reading him and I don't think he's doing much in the pursuit of like being Super Town and positioning himself for endgame? Does that makes sense??

Also these reads are more "vibes" than "people sorted by actual probability of being scum based on their scumrange and my ability to read them"

I’m going to have to



Apologies

In post 1932, Ausuka wrote:{Irrelephant, Marci, Nero, scamper, Ydrasse}
{Aristeia, Gamma, Guiltylion, humaneatingmoney, obscure, xofelf}

Fascinating

In post 1934, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 1932, Ausuka wrote:{Irrelephant, Marci, Nero, scamper, Ydrasse}
{Aristeia, Gamma, Guiltylion, humaneatingmoney, obscure, xofelf}

Fascinating

In post 1899, VP Baltar wrote:I think I have talked my boss into only making me work a half day today since my week has been crazy. I should be able to do some kind of catchup this afternoon, at least from when the new folks replaced in.

this poor scum team PoEd on D1

In post 1936, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 1899, VP Baltar wrote:I think I have talked my boss into only making me work a half day today since my week has been crazy. I should be able to do some kind of catchup this afternoon, at least from when the new folks replaced in.

this poor scum team PoEd on D1

I think this game needs an age restriction to protect children from witnessing the scum team are about to experience.

who is the scum team exactly

the closer to the left edge you are, the more i townread you
the closer to the right edge you are, the more i scumread you
the higher up the triangle you are, the bigger the headache that your slot gives me



the order is vaguely "would not yeet to would yeet", but not precisely

- basically this slot is town lmao. like, i think their read on me and suspicion on me makes sense. the things they've been calling me out for (e.g. me ~defusing scumreads~) are a bit contrived, but they're also the correct creativity level that i'd expect after that recent micro. the rest of their reads ~make sense~, the interaction with marcistar is fine in both content and tone, their engagement levels are still what i'd expect of them from town. so, like. could ausuka be playing a Correct Scum Game on all fronts? sure, theoretically. am i going to catch that today if that's the case? very likely not.

- *opens iso* *sees 57 posts since him repping in* *closes iso*

in all seriousness, the vibe i got from his scumplay is that he *does not want to be there* and the vibe i get from his townplay is the exact opposite. the actual reads he has as town are usually batshit insane to me so i probably won't be judging him by that metric, but. obviously i won't be locking this read yet, because it has not been even 24 hours, but i have faith that frogsterking will be making his alignment increasingly obvious over time. and if frogster dies and baltar got his alignment wrong, we are instantly yeeting baltar. that understood? good.

- vaguely judging him by meta, i *think* he's town. i don't sense aggression that i kinda did in his scum game. i think scum!him wouldn't have tried to break up fights like he did here. case on irrel was really good and made sense, in my (probs biased) opinion. many of his townreads / defenses (e.g. me in early game) feel like something he doesn't make as scum bc i feel like it would benefit him more for those to just keep happening rather than him stepping in. like, i feel like this stuff is all something he *could* fake, but on balance i don't think it's overly likely he is rn.

- the main reason why i'm townreading this slot if because his thoughts on me and around me make sense, see my 1343. otherwise, this seems like a... quiet-town game from him. what i mean is, i don't get the feeling that he's trying to brute force or shitpush things through, and i feel like there were several moments he could've gone more aggressive (like on his push on me) and did not do that. and my impression of him as a scum player is that he *would* have done that. so i'm fine lowkey townbinning him for now.

- pain pain pain pain. i wanted this to be a scumread, i really did, but i don't think it is. like. 1409, 1511, and the points on dannflor i all actually *like*. and i know that guiltylion sees things differently from me sometimes, and that i sometimes scumread him because "why are we not mindmelding on every single fucking thing in the game" but that's not a good metric probably. so like. he can be town for now. i'l re-evaluate him in the later days. if i'm dead n1 he's prob scum tho :3

- i like the find on eira, i like the openness he was posting with wrt his own emotions, and i feel like "as scum, there's stuff to do but as town there's not" is something i am more likely to hear from town (when the person who's saying that is good at scum). i am fine townbinning him for now, i feel like the ~waviness~ is +town, but god knows i don't remember shit from invictus so this is another "take it with a grain of salt" read.

- every bone in my body is telling me to yeet him, which is about standard as either alignment so whatever. 1310 is veering into TSTBS territory for me. maybe. because "hehehoho i have 3 scumreads and zero townreads" is such a fucking. horrible take that i feel like scum just Doesn't hit submit on a post like that. i hate the way he's playing around me bc it feels like he's afraid to either townread or scumread me because he knows that i am gonna be all over his read if i deem that it's not what i imagine it has to be, and guessing THAT is basically impossible because not even i know what i think it should be right now. but uh, giving this a bit more time until he's a little bit less busy i guess, but. idk. pain.

- i have a crackpot theory that 1741 is informed, because we semi-recently played a game with 19 players and 5 scum, so that feels off, but other than that. this feels lightly town. no, i don't have any good reasons other than "vibes". his play feels like pushing the game in the direction that he seems to be pro-town, but not in a way to give off an appearance of solving without actual solving. does that make sense. and nothing he's posted has yet made me feel like something is wrong. the one caveat i have here is that (afair) both times i played with nero, he was town, and he was getting into some shitfigths and i don't feel like he's entered a proper one yet. yes i know that is pretty weak, but.

- i already see she's not going to be a fan of her own placing, but it is what it is. she's lightly town for ~quiet solving~ and seemingly not being forceful in this game (e.g. sheeping other people), because i know her scumgame is more forceful and she's not afraid to push things when she needs to. the obvious * is that, if the game is going well for her already, she doesn't *need* to push things anywhere. and i haven't yet felt like she's obvtowned herself via solving. so. can be slightly +town for now, i guess.

- "hold on, ydrasse has more than 100 posts?" is the first thing i thought of because i don't remember almost any of them. don't think that's actually scum!indicative for ydra as i said for someone like gamma, tho, bc i know scum!ydra can Post when she wants to post, and that town!ydra is sometimes flaky. 1891 is something i liked, because i can't sense any immediate scum agenda from them, and they overall Make Sense. (the one thing i may be kinda worried about is the fact she seems to townread me without interacting much with me, but we're out of the early game where i was getting lolscumread so i don't think it's an especially useful or successful pocket attempt, if so. maybe it is if i'm falling for it like this. anyway.) i have also learned that i don't really know how to read ydrasse so this is another one of "will think about this later" reads but yeah ok

- he ended up in the town side of the triangle?? anyway, i still dislike the early stuff that i said earlier, but like. am i stupid for townreading a post like 1783? maybe i am, i don't know. i don't know why i feel like firebringer would've reacted differently to that post, but i just *do*. obviously, jury's still out on this one and i'll give an updated read here once he's properly in the game, but here we are for now.

- this is town purely on (1) vibes; (2) idea that scum-marci would be giving out at least *some* sorta reads rather than purely shitposting. and i agree with ausuka that the earlier emotional posts were townie. (inb4 "why did you say you thought scum-her would push on you" i wanted to see her reaction to it if i did that. no, the reaction wasn't interesting. inb4 "datisi are you cleverly defusing scumreads on you again" shut up ausuka i'm town this game stop trying to make scumtisi happen it's not going to happen)

- i feel like he's lowkey townie. i don't *like* a lot of his reads, but i feel like that can be explained with him not being familiar with the site meta and w/e. iguess his posts overall give me a feeling of pureness? also, i feel like the "if i die, i want to have my thoughts out" is a kind of townie thought to have. idk.

- i think he's lightly town for the townread on me, both for the content and the timing of it. nothing else jumps out at me much.

- slightly town. very close to "true null" to me, but slightly veering into town. might be because i really *want* them to be town, but. the things that they're choosing to focus on make sense to me, and it overall gives off the feeling that they're just doing their own thing. the thing i'm probably most interested in right now is their updated read on me, but for now they can stay in this position.

- god, this iso feels *boring*. i'm putting her at slightly-scum because i gathered literally nothing that jumped at me from that iso that interested me at all, and that's probably scummy. idk i'll think about this slot when there's something to think about.

- eh. i don't like the read on frosterking. i don't like the read on guilty. i'm gonna give this a bit more time b/c i know it's annoying when people are jumping at you right out of the game, but. not a fan, currently.

- meeeh, his entrance feels like a textbook scum entrance. like he is giving reads, but none of them are actually interesting. and something about him having just three townreads (me/nero/gl) feels off? especially when the reasoning for that seems to be a minimal "they do be solving" reasoning.

- i've talked about my issues with his read on me already. i didn't like the post where he was like "i love when the wagon is on town, makes vca easier", first because it reads like fake bravado, second because i don't get the feeling he's actually done any vca. what's giving me pause is the recent vent-posting, because i feel like that *usually* comes from town, but good scum definitely can replicate it so it's not a greta point but it still is giving me pause.

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having typed all of this out... i feel like my reads are bad. i feel like i'm misclearing someone. but that probably won't become evident until i get some feedback on this and some more ideas, hopefully, so. ama.

VOTE: Datisi

caught in the act defusing scumreads once more. gottem

do you ever like

have a moment

like, just for funsies i just went to see the last time i made a triangle readslist, it was in a scumgame (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13426825)

and i see that in that readslist, i also called gamma's iso boring

is that a sign that gamma is town here?? maybe!! let's interpret it that way and not the other way (:

*outtowns aristeia townily*

On a more serious note

I do like a lot of those reads but I think you could fake them. Which I know is probably unfair because by that standard it is very difficult for you to be towny but also like I don't want to townread scumtisi either so

I am sort of confused by your read on me? It basically seems to be "ausuka is just town lol, their posts are fine and make sense." Unless it's like a meta point? It feels more like a townlean read

also uh

VOTE: Danefloor

Let's make it happen

Oh also also

I am very happy to be in such a prestigious position in my first read triangle

@Ari @xoxelf @nero
We're still waiting for read lists!

In post 1939, Datisi wrote:having typed all of this out... i feel like my reads are bad. i feel like i'm misclearing someone. but that probably won't become evident until i get some feedback on this and some more ideas, hopefully, so. ama.

Nah I think your reads are tight. IMO Baltar is 1 who slipped through the cracks.

In post 1944, Ausuka wrote:On a more serious note

I do like a lot of those reads but I think you could fake them. Which I know is probably unfair because by that standard it is very difficult for you to be towny but also like I don't want to townread scumtisi either so

I am sort of confused by your read on me? It basically seems to be "ausuka is just town lol, their posts are fine and make sense." Unless it's like a meta point? It feels more like a townlean read

i mean, i don't think i should be townread solely for triangle posting because god knows how many times i've done it as scum. but now that i'm properly into the game, i do think i'll be getting readable. so.

maybe it is more of a townlean rather than a townread read, but /shrug. it's not a lock if that's what you're asking. you just. vibe townie, and i'm fine following that feeling for the time being.

any reason why you voted dann specifically there?

In post 1948, Datisi wrote:any reason why you voted dann specifically there?

idk I was just like, I should vote someone who is like actually going to get wagoned, and then I was like dann is scummy and people agree with me so I should vote him