Stars Aligned - GAME OVER

[SlySly]

All players that have yet to claim should clearly lay out their claims in the same format that everyone else has been. Failure to do so sure looks like an attempt at hiding scummy actions.

[Sajin]

If only I could vote the way I want to.

All players that have yet to claim should clearly lay out their claims in the same format that everyone else has been. Failure to do so sure looks like an attempt at hiding scummy actions.

I so feel your pain right now.

Data, please claim in a similar format please.

[semioldguy]

Our last scum is almost assuredly one of these five:

Magua, ryan2754, Sajin, nachomamma8, Chaco

Everyone else can be soft-confirmed through other actions as not a scum by themselves (If we have two scum then this list can be thrown out the window).

**I am fairly certain Magua is scum, case and vote to come in next post.


Investigators and why they aren't a lone cult member:

Looker

- Found blood on Pablo Molinero, confirmed by Pablo Molinero. Would not have known this unless he took the investigate action (would have been easier to have claimed finding blood on me or his scumbuddy).

Pablo Molinero

- Researched by ryan2754 as having 1 or less total insanity on Night Four. That insanity does not meet the minimum amount of insanity a lone scum would have accumulated at this point in the game. Also researched by ZykeZero as having 0 total insanity on Night Two.

SlySly

- Researched by Magua as having 2 or less total insanity on Night Four. That insanity does not meet the minimum amount of insanity a lone scum would have accumulated at this point in the game.

semioldguy

- Claims to have been saved. Confirmed by Sajin and Pablo Molinero. Could not have been both saved and investigated by Sarag as bloody unless scum with at least one or more players in the claim-group.

Datadanne

- If there is one scum left we know CSL was responsible for the grave-rob the only night a fetish could have been made of me (or his scum partner robbed for him). Either way Datadanne was responsible for murdering DeathNote that night. Therefore if they were the only two scum left they could not have robbed a grave and murdered a player in addition to making a fetish of me. (since a fetish could not have been made of me prior to night two, they would not have been able to find a fetish of me on the corpse either)

Sarag

- Same reason that Datadanne is confirmed. We know Sarag was responsible for robbing a grave on Night Two, the only night a fetish could have been made of me. The fact that CSL was also responsible that night for robbing a grave makes it impossible for tow scum to both rob two graves and also make a fetish of someone.

ZykeZero

- Researched by semioldguy as having 0 total insanity from non-research actions on Night Two. That insanity does not meet the minimum amount of insanity a single remaining scum would have accumulated at that point in the game.

[Sajin]

I can be put on that list if proven to not have gained an insanity by sarag/ryan tonight. Its actually impossible for me to die tonight so its very worthwhile to research me.

The 2 with zero insanity claims should not be lynched as they can be proven as well.

I think the best lynch options are those with the highest insanity claims at this point. It makes by far the most sense to me.

While I completely disagree that Looker is confirmed investigator if one scum by your post (she could of actually investigated someone in addition to ritualing etc etc) I do not think looker is capable of such a move. I would like to see looker's full game claim to further judge on the scenario though.

Data is confirmed not cult. I still think likely murderer.

@Semi- Can you explain Zyke to me?

I think I understand Semi's arguement on Magua- He has 3 claimed insanity which is high enough for cult not submitting kills earlier then starting to later. I guarantee that is going to be part of Semi's case.

[semioldguy]

The investigative abilities that Magua has claimed are easy to fake.

Night two he claimed to have researched, yet the result he claimed came after someone else claimed to have researched the same target, making it an easy claim to make knowing that the person whose claim he was following was town and thus telling the truth.

Night four he claimed to research SlySly. This claim makes no sense to me as SlySly was going to have less insanity than Magua unless he somehow managed to gain two insanities in one night (or was lying), which is highly unlikely. This made it a safe claim to fake knowing that he could almost never be wrong.

Also faking research claims is the most useful because it explains an increasing insanity. Magua now has enough insanity that he can't be reliably checked by anyone save Datadanne, as Magua will have a higher insanity no matter what than the rest of us.

Night one the ward claim on Furpants_Tom would be nice cover for Craft Fetish action. Furpants_Tom heard noise on two other nights, though both of those nights also have explained for reasons for the noise. The other two noise claims for Furpants_Tom came from people who died before Furpants_Tom died. Since Furpants_Tom had heard other noises it made him a nice Fetish target since it would have been easy to point to another noise as the reason for death. Magua also admits to this being a bad ward choice and his choice actually went against his own suggested pro-town plan.

Many of his early suspects in this game are players who don't or hardly post. Easy targets.

Magua on Day One supported spreading the research around as for town not to gain insanities... but seems to ignore this for himself now that the game has progressed. Self-contradictions in game play/posting and his claims are too-convenient/easy to fabricate.

Also the noise claims are very small today. Only two people heard noise, and both have accompanying claims explaining that noise. This makes the investigation last night on Magua showing no blood to not be conclusive as it is likely any cultist laundered last night. Also Magua has claimed to have taken Compulsion so he should know that being caught bloody at any time would be his demise.

Vote: Magua

[semioldguy]

In re-reading the thread, I find it possible, and maybe even likely, that Kise was Magua's scum-buddy.

Also, due to the lack of noise happening last night, I don't believe that Datadanne stalked anyone last night. He should still rob Kise's grave though.

Sarag, I'd recommend you Research Sajin.

@Sajin
I will explain that in my next post. Going into a meeting right now.

[Sajin]

I can add Magua arguing hard against eric (the day 1 lynch that ended up Cultist). I would of brought this up earlier.....but I did too.

And yeah he did say to try and keep a low insanity count. He probably stayed off kills earlier on but has now been forced to make them by the lowering cult number.

I agree this is probably a better lynch then data anyways as if Data is a murderer we can catch data after cult are extinguished.

Unvote; Vote: Magua

List of actions that I think should be going down then: Please let me know if you have a problem with any of this. (Its tentative)

Data- Rob Kise's Grave

Looker- Resuscitate on Semioldguy. Please. I want him alive.

Sarag- Research on Sajin

Sajin- No action that makes you gain insanity (I will launder or lens someone.... I am still ticked I had to do this for 2 nights, I like getting information) I technically could research someone though, target pending.

Chaco- I would like you responsible for a grave tonight. In this way you will have one insanity and thus be research-able tomorrow (by me). Does this make sense? You would be responsible for the lynch grave.

SlySly- Would you mind warding me? (I have heard no noise the entire game and am about to be cleared by sarag).

I will probably end up revising the list at some point. Let me know if anyone has problems with anything on the list currently.

[semioldguy]

The reason ZykeZero is not cult is we have unaccounted for Cult-insanity from Night One, since the cultists submitting had to exceed the amount of researchers and then one more for the grave-rob zwetschenwasser was responsible for. KoC accounts for one. CSL/Cass could be another (but probably not, which is where I'm looking at Kise and his odd insanity-gain-claim on Day Two), and then we'd need a third from somewhere.

My research of ZykeZero on night two put him at zero insanity when I researched him, so he cannot have been the missing cult insanity from day one. If he is cult, he cannot be cult alone.

Posting list for my insanity's sake:

nachomamma8 (zero-insanity-claim, easy to confirm)
Chaco (zero-insanity-claim, easy to confirm)
Magua (not confirmed, high insanity and very difficult to confirm)
ryan2754 (not confirmed, low insanity claim, low-moderate difficulty to confirm)
Sajin (can be confirmed, low insanity claim, low-moderate ability to confirm)

Datadanne (confirmed non-cult, likely investigator, but possible murderer)

Looker
Pablo Molinero
Sarag
semioldguy
SlySly
ZykeZero
(Highly unlikely any of the above can be scum alone)

[Sarag]

I will research Sajin tonight.

Tonight I'll update my spreadsheet and check semioldguy's working. I like his case on Magua.

Do the two with claimed 0 insanity both have books? Could they research eachother?

[Chaco]

Fine with me Sajin, just tell me who. Lynch or Kise?

[Chaco]

And I do not posses occult books, so I cannot research him.

[Chaco]

Fine with me Sajin, just tell me who. Lynch or Kise?

I read you wrong the first time, lynch it is.

[Sarag]

Vote: Magua.

[Sajin]

And now you both see why I assigned that way I hope.

[Chaco]

I understand why.

Also, I think the lynch on magua is the best option right now. He has the highest insanity, hardest to confirm, and all that. I wanna hear from him though.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Magua

The case on him makes sense. However, I don't think we should waste a lynch on Data, honestly. Earlier in the game, the idea of vigging him was brought to the table and I don't see why it wasn't followed through on, honestly.

[semioldguy]

At this point I don't think it would hurt for people to just claim their actions for the upcoming night, mostly to make sure the people on the list agree to those actions (or if they don't to assign them to other people)

Those of us with two insanity should NOT go to three insanity.

If people don't have an action they should be doing tonight, they should grab occult books in my opinion if they don't have them. In theory we can get everyone to the same insanity (low insanity, preferably two) or two groups of insanities (a group at one insanity and a group at two). When this happens, if everyone has books we can research in a circle and knowing that scum have to have more insanity this will flush them out (much faster than the noise chain). We'd have to lynch Datadanne in this scenario, but if he's town he should see this ensures his victory and he should be okay with it.

People without claimed Occult Books: Chaco, Looker, Pablo Molinero, Datadanne

Proposed Actions for Tonight:

nachomamma8 - (something)
Pablo Molinero - (something)
Chaco - Rob Grave: Lynch (prob. Magua)
Looker - Resuscitate: semioldguy
Sajin - Don't Research, Ward or gain insanity
Sarag - Research: Sajin
SlySly - Ward: Sajin
ryan2754 - Don't Research or gain insanity
semioldguy - Don't Research or gain insanity
ZykeZero - Don't Research or gain insanity
Datadanne - Rob Grave: Kise
Magua - Wait in Grave

[Chaco]

Alright then,

Vote: Magua

[semioldguy]

Please no-one else vote Magua for now. He is at L-2 and I don't want some random hammer coming in before everyone can check in and be sure or have a chance to object to what's going on and the potential night actions and such (and our missing claims).

[SlySly]

Seems like a rather quick wagon forming.

Are all the graves covered? I don't want any left unrobbed. As long as all the graves are covered, I don't mind warding Sajin.

Semi, how many times can you flip-flop on whether Kise was scum or not?

[semioldguy]

I said that Kise could not be the last scum based off his insanity count (or if I didn't say that, it's what was intended). I still stand by that he cannot be the last scum. If he is scum, someone was scum with him.

I don't think it is a good idea to have no unrobbed graves right now. If we need someone to grave rob, then we will be sure to have an extra. The two unrobbed graves are not cult (as they were killed by cult).

[SlySly]

Just to clear up any confusion, here is what you said...

Kise could not have been the last scum...if there were only one cultist left

they would have to have at least 3 insanity to cover for all that has happened.

Kise's Insanity Count was

3

[/b] at the time of his demise, and this has been appropriately edited.

So much for the impossibility of Kise being the last scum. For those who are capable, I think it is time to start voting murderers.

Still impossible as if he is scumm we need to then add in the two more graverobs we know he (or the presumable scum team) would be responsible for. Kise is likely town at this point in my opinion.

In re-reading the thread, I find it possible, and maybe even likely, that Kise was Magua's scum-buddy.

Doesn't matter much as his grave is going to be robbed tonight but I think your flip-flopping is worthy of pointing out. All graves should be robbed tonight whether we think they are cult or not.

[ZykeZero]

So what is your current list of equipment and you only heard noise n3?

Resuscitation Kit
Forensic Tools
2x Occult Books
Protective Wards

Yes only heard noise on n3. I assume whoever stalked me or tried to do anything to me was one way or another stopped....*twitch*

[Sajin]

So what is your current list of equipment and you only heard noise n3?

Resuscitation Kit
Forensic Tools
2x Occult Books
Protective Wards

Yes only heard noise on n3. I assume whoever stalked me or tried to do anything to me was one way or another stopped....*twitch*

Good. I figured you would miss the 2x occult off the grave rob if you were lying (Nhammen claimed to have research someone).


I advise you to protect someone that is not semi (covered by looker) and is not myself (never heard noise) with your rez kit this evening.

[Sajin]

Seems like a rather quick wagon forming.

Are all the graves covered? I don't want any left unrobbed. As long as all the graves are covered, I don't mind warding Sajin.

Semi, how many times can you flip-flop on whether Kise was scum or not?

Drench is NOT important. Neither is Tom really.

Drench will incredibly likely flip murderer (2 insanity before the end of night 1 killed by cult) and Tom will flip investigator(opposite for insanity and killed by cult). There is not really any info to be gained here.

Kise and the lynch on the other hand. Info. Priorities.

Are they useful for confirming actions for people? Yes. Do we need that at this time? Not in my opinion.