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In post 1932, Jordan_Downey wrote:

In post 1922, PeregrineV wrote:

@Jordan-

what post was this initial plan that Sharpest is trying to scum-derail?

I specifically didn't post the full plan until today, just now, in the post you clearly read. I'll post the back and forth between me and SKOT where he tried to derail it under a spoiler.

Spoiler: A bunch of quotes you should have already read.

In post 1350, Jordan_Downey wrote:Claim: Polarity locker. We can target a player at the beginning of the night and they will not be able to change their polarity. I'm not sure how utility that is, but it specifically notes that it will not be blocked by polarity, and is a 'neutral shot.'

It is positive utility to have the town at a neutral polarity, or as close to a neutral alignment as possible. This gives us extra information we can use when solving for alignment. To this end, I suggest no one switch their alignment tonight.

In post 1351, Jordan_Downey wrote:The mod clarified that the NK can be blocked by polarity, which implies to me that 1. The scum team is larger than it would normally be. 2. This game is multiball. 3. There are multiple killing roles.

In order to accurately get knowledge from the polarity mechanic, we need to get a claim from each lynch candidate at L-1 before the hammer.

In post 1632, Jordan_Downey wrote:I'm not telling them to claim what polarity they are. We do not know what polarity they are, unless you've got some special insight you'd like to share with the class. I just want them to attempt to change polarities from what they are now to the other option, and confirm tomorrow whether said change actually happened. Hint: it won't. I can't tell if you're being dense or just scum afraid of my plan.

In post 1635, Jordan_Downey wrote:To anyone doubting my plan here is a brief rundown of how it doesn't hurt us to trust me right now:

1. No one's alignment is known. That means that staying the same and switching have roughly the same chances at being effective.
2. My plan effectively doesn't change anything until I reveal it tomorrow, where we will have a day phase to discuss it. This can only add content to analyze.
3. Should scum be afraid of it, then they will likely kill me tonight, resolving a slot of contention and confirming my alignment, which can only be a good thing for town.
4. If my logic is flawed, we will be able to figure that out, without having changed our play substantially.

There is no reason, at all, from a town POV not to at least humor me tonight.

In post 1647, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:

In post 1638, Jordan_Downey wrote:I honestly don't want an aegor vote just because tso wants it.

Still don't see anyone else sheeping you TSO, do you have a money back guarantee?

aphix

I can understand the sentiment but it was not a TSO push it was more either/or here right?

Also I am not sure the value of your plan.

In post 1649, Jordan_Downey wrote:At worst, my plan does not hurt us. At best, it gives us an advantage over scum. Why not give it a chance. I promise to full reveal tomorrow, as well as the rest of my setup spec so far.

In post 1663, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:

In post 1649, Jordan_Downey wrote:At worst, my plan does not hurt us. At best, it gives us an advantage over scum. Why not give it a chance. I promise to full reveal tomorrow, as well as the rest of my setup spec so far.

there is no way you are going to get full town compliance with this. 1st of all you can be interfered with or blocked so focusing on 1 player is flawed. 2nd you will not get full compliance as each person will make the decision best for there particular role. Add in lurk-a-derps who will not even read the plan. It really does nothing to narrow things in on scum and provide them less place to hide. And I personally am not going to confirm or deny what I am going to do or not do regarding polarity.

In post 1664, Jordan_Downey wrote:Your argument is basically that my plan is going to fail because you will not cooperate. Am I getting that right? Not that there is no benefit to be had, nor that there is a reason not to follow it, but that you (or 'lurk-a-derps') won't. You'd better have a damn good reason should you fail the plan, because I see no town motivation to that. From my POV I believe choosing not to change polarities is optimal play today. Be ready to justify yourself if you don't agree.

In post 1673, Jordan_Downey wrote:My role is confirmable, you're being stupid. If my plan is bad, lynch me for it tomorrow. The goal here is to get as much information as possible. If you don't follow the plan then you'd best have a damn good reason. I'm promising full disclosure tomorrow, so stop being an idiot.

In post 1702, Jordan_Downey wrote:

In post 1678, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:

In post 1664, Jordan_Downey wrote:Your argument is basically that my plan is going to fail because you will not cooperate. Am I getting that right? Not that there is no benefit to be had, nor that there is a reason not to follow it, but that you (or 'lurk-a-derps') won't. You'd better have a damn good reason should you fail the plan, because I see no town motivation to that. From my POV I believe choosing not to change polarities is optimal play today. Be ready to justify yourself if you don't agree.

No, I said I am not going to let scum know what I am going to do. People will choose to do what they think is best based on there role or being ignorant of it. It has nothing to do with whether I change my polarity or not, there are others who will not. And what possible benefit is there? Maybe a polarity cop? There is no substance to your plan and thinking you can pick one person to "switch" and try and lock them is fool hardy as it tells scum something they wouldn't know right off the bat.

I WILL EXPLAIN THE BENEFIT TOMORROW. There is no town motivation behind not at least seeing this through. You're not making any reasonable arguments for why you shouldn't give my plan a shot. There is no additional information tonight. The only information is that you don't change alignments. Explain to me how that benefits scum? Our polarities are unknown. Either explain to me using logic why my plan benefits scum or be ready to explain why you didn't fucking listen to me tomorrow.

He never responded to me after 1702 despite posting again before the thread closed.

Hey, mastinhero, would you please be my bestest friend ever and link me to whichever post is the best summary of your talah/jon case? I need to read that ISO and I'd prefer if I didn't have to hunt it down myself. I will if you're not nice though.

In post 1950, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:I domt mind killing saki, however

In post 1956, Thor665 wrote:I submit scum will be forced to be honest about their polarity or be caught out - there are a number of ways it will become a pretty functional backtrack once (and if) a polarity claim happens.
Even if you think it's utterly useless, unless you can describe how it helps scum - I don't see an issue with it.

In post 1955, ZZZX wrote:After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

In post 1959, Antihero wrote:

In post 1955, ZZZX wrote:After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

yep.

that thing at the top of vote counts that keep track of the net polarity.

In post 1955, ZZZX wrote:After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

In post 1963, EddieFenix wrote:

In post 1955, ZZZX wrote:After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

I might be over thinking things, but if that night, they decide to switch polarities (from dark to light or vice versa) and someone of that polarity targets them, does that mean the shot or whatever gets absorbed? or does the polarity swap not kick in until the beginning of the next day?? I understand that a dark targeting a light will garner results each time, however I didn't know if someone who was flipping polarities was then targeted by someone of the same polarity would work or not... @.@. Cause then confusion...

In post 0, Bulbazak wrote:• Each night, players may choose to switch their polarity, unless they are told otherwise. These changes will go into effect immediately.
• Night actions will be tuned to a player’s current polarity. If an action hits a player of the opposite polarity, then the action will go through. If an action hits a player of the same polarity, then the action will be absorbed by the player and blocked.
• Polarity changes and actions regarding polarities go into effect before all other actions.

In post 1959, Antihero wrote:

In post 1955, ZZZX wrote:After reading the Polarity asking I have something interesting to make. Why cant scum basically fake thier polarity? I dont see it being caught unless someone targeted them with an action and it ended up failing. Am I missing something here?

yep.

that thing at the top of vote counts that keep track of the net polarity.

In post 1957, PeregrineV wrote:

@Jordan

- I think the sum of your plan is "claim whether you changed polarity the night before." Why would polarities not be included when claiming in general?

In post 1958, ZZZX wrote:Well I agree about that but It should not be used to clear someone for sure. Just saying that.

In post 1962, The Necromancers wrote:thor

1) why is your vote on mala?
2) why is your vote STILL on mala given your jon scumread?