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I don't have a scumread to push Chara. Don't ask me for thoughts.

In post 1942, Chara wrote:skitter, your first two points are both "why are you scumreading me for this when i've done it before", and the fact that we've gone through it before is exactly why. i've gone through being paranoid of you before. you were town both times. i changed my approach to you accordingly.
you found this change scummy for some reason, but paranoia is paranoia so whatever.

i said i didn't like your sheeping, and you brought up our recent towngame as your defense of having done so before. except that time didn't work out, meaning we lost the game to the scum i convinced you to stop pushing. it just felt like you were justifying your actions with your own meta, but it didn't feel real because you supplemented what i consider a good explanation (lack of confidence in your scumreads) with one that felt more like an excuse.

idk
i dont' know how to let go of the paranoia. i know that it exists and i know that i was wrong before but like it's a factor in my read and i don't know how to just drop it . like it's there and it's a mitigating factor and it just isn't something i can just drop

i can ignore it to some extent by acknowledging it and saying that i know i was wrong before (which is what i'm trying to do) but like it's a factor that i need to take into account by virtue of the fact that it exists.

and the fact that the way that you're changing your approach to me in *this* game kinda looks how i think scum would approach this game makes it harder to ignore. in a regular game with nks i maybe wouldn't think about it this way, but that's not the game we're playing.

and the reason why i *am* willing to sheep here is because of the lack of confidence in my scumreads. if i had something i felt strongly i wouldn't be sheeping, i'd be pushing it and trying to get people to join me. i don't have a read like that rn, so i can't do that, so i'm doing the next best thing, which is to sheep someone i think is town on something *they're* feeling strongly about. and the reason why i'm confused you don't like this is because *you just saw me do this*. i mean, yeah, we didn't lynch varsoon because of it, but i don't consider it an inhernetly bad outcome because it did directly lead to lynching implosion; i'm not sure that interaction is like the reason we lost the game. like i was trying to explain that it was a really similar mindset for me

maybe i should be more cautious about sheeping people, sure. but when i don't know hwere to push otherwise like i'm not sure what else i should be doing rn. like i could unvote but then my vote would be dangling and it's like close to end of day and unvoting seems kinda pointless an i don't see much purpose to it. might as well help some other wagon be a thing instead of just sitting here and doing nothing.

i'm starting to think that the frustration you're having here is townie idk

In post 1945, Chara wrote:and for anyone who does care (because screw it, Ankamius likes talking about her own meta and i at least trust her here) i'm so far out of my scumrange right now i'm in space.

pedit: you noting this now doesn't help me, because you didn't bring it up until i did. your responses before didn't mention Brigitte nor my lack of scum motivation in doing this. some of that might be my fault in jumping the gun. i don't know.

yeah i was aware of the optics of that when i wrote it, don't worry. i was kinda busy today and didn't really get all my thoughts out but theyr'e like there, and i do want to document them for the record; i'm aware that saying it after you said it looks bad

ok

why are you out of your scumrange?

In post 1949, Brigitte wrote:At this point apathy is going to push my wagon to the finish line. I can foresee the future.

bleh this is kinda townie too

UNVOTE:

idk i'm kinda confused and my reads are bad rn and i think i need to take a hard-reset to this game

i'm townreading too many people and not scumreading enough people and i'm very confused where scum are

In post 1950, Brigitte wrote:I don't have a scumread to push Chara. Don't ask me for thoughts.

there are other thoughts, though voting Elbirn certainly is one.
was curious about your thoughts on me/skitter/Ankamius from that last interaction.

In post 1954, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1949, Brigitte wrote:At this point apathy is going to push my wagon to the finish line. I can foresee the future.

bleh this is kinda townie too

UNVOTE:

idk i'm kinda confused and my reads are bad rn and i think i need to take a hard-reset to this game

i'm townreading too many people and not scumreading enough people and i'm very confused where scum are

i think this really only comes from scum if:
a) all her partners are lurkers and/or have no influence
and
b) she has no interest in trying to get the wagon off of herself

lack it just belies a complete lack of survivalism that i usuallly associate with scum

In post 1955, Chara wrote:

In post 1950, Brigitte wrote:I don't have a scumread to push Chara. Don't ask me for thoughts.

there are other thoughts, though voting Elbirn certainly is one.
was curious about your thoughts on me/skitter/Ankamius from that last interaction.

I mean my opinion of you three haven't changed. Last few pages is just like a highlight of personality not alignment to me.

Ankamius keeps the same opinions thoughts still going about. Confident/Arrogant mindset
Skitter is going back and forth with paranoia on people, which includes you. Skittish person
And you are somewhere in between with it. Pretty agreeable but are definitely not confident with your thoughts.


And we have the three musketeers.

In post 1956, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1954, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1949, Brigitte wrote:At this point apathy is going to push my wagon to the finish line. I can foresee the future.

bleh this is kinda townie too

UNVOTE:

idk i'm kinda confused and my reads are bad rn and i think i need to take a hard-reset to this game

i'm townreading too many people and not scumreading enough people and i'm very confused where scum are

i think this really only comes from scum if:
a) all her partners are lurkers and/or have no influence
and
b) she has no interest in trying to get the wagon off of herself

lack it just belies a complete lack of survivalism that i usuallly associate with scum

Survivalism isn't town or scum......skitter come on.

I am at b. And not that isn't scum indicative or town indicative either. That is just my headspace right now.

i think survivalims is pretty reliably a scumtell actually

and yeah, i do think b) could just be a personality thing but it also indicates that all of your partners are just completely awol imo because otherwise i'd kinda expect you to be hoping that they'd help get the wagon off of you

also i think if you're scum you *probably* wouldn't be arguing with me about it?

In post 1953, skitter30 wrote:why are you out of your scumrange?

i'm pretty good at getting townread as scum because i participate and don't do anti-town things. i also don't get scumread as scum for having bad takes/inconsistency/unsure reads like i tend to as town. the game is cleaner. but as a result the reads are much more one-dimensional and they don't have the layers my town reads do. to be fair i'm getting better at it, but i think the reason is playing town makes me anxious in a completely different way being scum does, and as scum i try and make sure that anxiety doesn't come through.


and that's mostly all i want to talk about self meta this game. thank you for asking this question, though.

pedit: i do think scum has more reason to try and fight the wagon here than town might. but scum could be accepting the inevitable too.

like hoping/expecting them to help move the wagon but it's pretty obvious you have no expectation of that happening

so like if you're scum it's with a completely lurker and/or uninfluential scumteam imo

In post 1959, skitter30 wrote:i think survivalims is pretty reliably a scumtell actually

and yeah, i do think b) could just be a personality thing but it also indicates that all of your partners are just completely awol imo because otherwise i'd kinda expect you to be hoping that they'd help get the wagon off of you

also i think if you're scum you *probably* wouldn't be arguing with me about it?

I can't even. I am going to do self meta here and say if I was scum I would be telling my partners to bus me.

i think over the last page or so town!you finally clicked (maybe?)
i need to think about it i think

and now i don't know if scum skitter just pulls back on her convenient Ankamius-lead mislynch here.

VOTE: Elbirn

pedit: this is an odd, odd argument to be having. it's kind of funny.

In post 1962, Brigitte wrote:

In post 1959, skitter30 wrote:i think survivalims is pretty reliably a scumtell actually

and yeah, i do think b) could just be a personality thing but it also indicates that all of your partners are just completely awol imo because otherwise i'd kinda expect you to be hoping that they'd help get the wagon off of you

also i think if you're scum you *probably* wouldn't be arguing with me about it?

I can't even. I am going to do self meta here and say if I was scum I would be telling my partners to bus me.

they're not tho (unless they're on the wagon already but i townread most of the people on it)

Skitter the reason why I am not trying hard to deflect my wagon is because I am apathetic because I have no strong reads to push. I have said that a few dozen times now. If you think I am lying about that. Then you know you can push this alternate theory and vote me again?

i guess my point is that i think if you were scum you'd be manufacturing something to push instead of just sticking with being apathetic
or if you wanted ot just wait for the inevitable your partners would be bussign you but i don't see that happening either

I mean I am voting elbirn here. And my reasoning is "person I have no townread on or might be scum by poe". Is that manufacturing something to push?

eh fair (although i don't think i saw that vote when i started saying this)
again i also don't know if you'd be trying to talk me out of this reasoning if you're scum here so

elbirn do you like scum or town more?

Oh lol Elbirn is online

yep

How is he still at 9 posts only?

Idk

I'm a little weirded out that he's complaining that nobody reached out to him after the previous time he'd posted when i responded to him and gave him something in particular to look at like three posts later