Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:13 pm
Notscience push is legitimate and I gave very specific points of disbelief for you to evaluate, though I'm on my phone and can't link them.
yeah i'm not sure how much we can ascribe motivation to waht peta was doing given how he repped in and the choices/pushes he made; i feel like if we want to try to gain useful info from that slot looking at l/g's iteration of it is probably going to carry more weight for meIn post 1941, Kismet wrote:i mean peta came in angling to defend nacho, something that i think we can both agree is oblique to his wincon given they've both flipped.In post 1936, Venus Fly Trap wrote:nacho's wagon obviously predated hers so his wasn't, like, a *response* to scum-her's, so that narrative for scum-her just doesn't even make sense
When looked at in that light, he may have just wanted to pocket nacho thinking nacho would wiggle out of the elim inevitably, or really just decided nacho was town before receiving his scum pm and decided just to roll with it and see where it look him.
Everything downstream of that likely wasn't particularly planned, which means mara could be whatever, although i feel like trying to counterwagon another townie there has very little risk compared to the amount of reward it potentially incurs, but we get into WIFOM there and meh.
more salient is that i think mara's own reaction to the nacho wagon just seemed really town to me and i'm having a hard time letting go of that.
just would be flabbergasted if scum ever thought to make 1725In post 1951, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i'm gonna be honest i'm not fully sure i get your townread of mara
i understood this as the first point (i.e. a scumread) and that you were calling him scum for making up reads in the momentIn post 1830, Iverson wrote:Cakez, there are two implications here. Both are bad.
One is that they're just fake reads from scum, split up to give the appearance of cognition.
The other is that you're not putting any thought into them at all.
like i don't think he's done anything anything, like, strong enough for you to have this strong of a read on him yet, if that makes senseIn post 1873, Iverson wrote:I will say I am very willing to flip both of these slots right now. (NM/NS).
NM's reads here are intentionally curbed to be reactionary and neutral on flup. NS claims to want to live up to his promise with Mena, votes NM, then shows a complete lack of interest in substantively engaging with the slot. He noticeably has not chewed on or thought about the game overnight.
I SRed Mom independently of Nacho, Nacho being scum would have just been gravyIn post 1938, Kismet wrote:to be more clear then:In post 1852, SirCakez wrote:I don't understand what you mean.In post 1839, Kismet wrote:even considering that potential point, i'm still keeping cakez at arm's length right now.
is somewhat problematic cogdis for me and doesn't allow for mara being town who didn't want to vote nachoIn post 1309, SirCakez wrote:if Nacho flips scum then we have a great scum pool of (Mom, Peta, DC,NM) to work with
it's even worse considering this is essentially the scum pool cakez has anyway (or at least cakez is still scumreading all of these slots)
trajectory on mara in particular is very sloppy to me.
if nm is scum to you why are you so affronted by her voting him?
what does nacho flipping town mean for your pool? it seemed like you were predicating a lot of your mom scumread on nacho also being scum (1516, 1517) and more in general that pool being scum around nacho being scum, but he flipped town and your reads are exactly the same and therefore i'm having a harder time seeing that thought process as legitimate
i'm gonna be honest i dont' 100% understand why the first no-elim is town-sidedIn post 1725, Momrangal wrote:Also, I think the first no elimination is town sided, so I'm not particularly assed to jump on an elimination that I think could be a mistake
Lol what? The only thing I've criticized you for is your SR on me for obvious reasons.In post 1952, notscience wrote:Cakez is just discrediting me because its really hard to get to a scumread on me and not just get jumped on, maybe if you kill like bork? Maybe?
Early in the game he promoted NM as readable given time. He opened with a vote on NM and gave the spiel about being wrong and listening to Mena.In post 1957, Venus Fly Trap wrote:for notsci i'm kinda disliking that you're expecting him to have some sort of substantial engagement with nm and are dinging him for not when ... it's nm. this is kinda irkign me.
i mean i'm not sure his reaction was so outta line given your vote on him ...In post 1952, notscience wrote:Cakez is just discrediting me because its really hard to get to a scumread on me and not just get jumped on, maybe if you kill like bork? Maybe?
i read the op like three tiems and managed to miss the bolded bit explainign that >.>In post 1960, Kismet wrote:it's in the rules, it's basically a deadline extension
i think the point i was trying to make is it was a vehicle to take the game back to square one w/o an elim and get more time w/o removing someone she thought was town, when the only other option would've likely been herIn post 1965, Venus Fly Trap wrote:ok i'm not really sure i see it being particularly townsided
In post 700, Kismet wrote:re: notscience. i think everything scum-ns does is typically just lacking a layer of temerity, even if it's sometimes analytic in nature, it doesn't break the barriers of someone being legitimately confident in engaging with the thread or its occupants.
685 i think solidly clears that bar for me. NS might be the only player on site i'd be so confident in here, but i just continue not to worry about him, even if he's not been omnipresent.
Don't mind me just cherry picking, what?In post 685, notscience wrote:But I think Cakez is town at this point so this is all moot anyways
When I gave my warehouse reads they were my actual reads like if I read the game as town. I felt like he didnt seem like scum here. He was more in line with what I saw from him in legends of the hidden temple.In post 1971, Iverson wrote:Don't mind me just cherry picking, what?In post 685, notscience wrote:But I think Cakez is town at this point so this is all moot anyways