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In post 1944, Something_Smart wrote:It's okay, Bell.

that's bork, not bell

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Towlie can you explain the Pooky argument that convinced you not to do VFT to me?

In your own words, please

paraphrase from what i typed to noddy earlier:

pooky's right in that we're generally not elimmable so any pressure on us from her is more likely to be legitimate due to that goal being harder to reach
(although i think pressure for pressure's sake is useful IF your aim is to shake up the gamestate - pooky would have to also be scum for this to be a goal that was desirable for them at the time)
i think this talked me into them probably just being the same alignment, no matter what that alignment is

-b

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13090647#p13090647]post 1895[/url], Milk & Mocha wrote:Notty tell Bork that his SR on Skitter is whack

although i do want to know why they had this opinion at this point in time as i'm positive it was before they read any of that

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that post was noraa i believe whereas it was pooky engaging w/ me later i believe

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In post 1956, Towelie wrote:paraphrase from what i typed to noddy earlier:

pooky's right in that we're generally not elimmable so any pressure on us from her is more likely to be legitimate due to that goal being harder to reach
(although i think pressure for pressure's sake is useful IF your aim is to shake up the gamestate - pooky would have to also be scum for this to be a goal that was desirable for them at the time)
i think this talked me into them probably just being the same alignment, no matter what that alignment is

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Except this like isn’t true though?
Assume you’re town for this argument.
Scum would only go for someone easy if they were unhappy with the gamestate.
If they’re happy with it then they can push whoever and set up miselims down the line.

I don’t think scum are unhappy with the gamestate so the rest of that doesn’t follow.

i do absolutely believe scum pooky would try to save scum skitter here, but i feel like he'd probably do it by just ignoring me entirely and pushing someone else if prior experience is any indication

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In post 1960, Critter wrote:I don’t think scum are unhappy with the gamestate so the rest of that doesn’t follow.

last time i checked i don't make arguments based on your reads

I really, really wish you could lay off trying to filter everyone else's opinions through your perception of the gamestate.

It makes it fucking impossible to talk to you.

-b

In post 1956, Towelie wrote:pooky's right in that we're generally not elimmable so any pressure on us from her is more likely to be legitimate due to that goal being harder to reach

I think that this logic only holds from a particular scum perspective. Everyone always seems to assume that all of scum's moves and pushes are calculated and planned out to score mis-exes or whatever. Some people just try to look town, by doing whatever they think people won't see as a scum agenda. I know for a fact that lilith has done this before; I don't know if skitter has, but it wouldn't shock me.

that's not a bad point, i'm just trying to read the only angles i can know about at this point in time

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In post 1962, Towelie wrote:

In post 1960, Critter wrote:I don’t think scum are unhappy with the gamestate so the rest of that doesn’t follow.

last time i checked i don't make arguments based on your reads

I really, really wish you could lay off trying to filter everyone else's opinions through your perception of the gamestate.

It makes it fucking impossible to talk to you.

-b

That’s not based on my reads.
There’s a lack of communication.
The gamestate is not healthy.
If you don’t base your reads based on how the game is there isn’t really another way to see it.

If I am looking at a dice and I see a 6 I can’t see not a 6 so you have to explain it.

I can’t magically hop into your shoes and see a 1 or 5.

So I say hey this 6 is reality. And explain it as such. I know that’s a thing.
If you think that 6 is not a reality Eg scum love this gamestate explain why
Then my reads change accordingly

Asking me just to “not think something” is not reasonable

Scum don’t love this gamestate*

Asking me not to filter reads based on attempting to make reads is really really bad

What am I supposed to do? Pull from rng?

1965 feels like a lot of words to communicate something that really shouldn't take that many.

In post 1965, Critter wrote:

In post 1962, Towelie wrote:

In post 1960, Critter wrote:I don’t think scum are unhappy with the gamestate so the rest of that doesn’t follow.

last time i checked i don't make arguments based on your reads

I really, really wish you could lay off trying to filter everyone else's opinions through your perception of the gamestate.

It makes it fucking impossible to talk to you.

-b

That’s not based on my reads.
There’s a lack of communication.
The gamestate is not healthy.
If you don’t base your reads based on how the game is there isn’t really another way to see it.

If I am looking at a dice and I see a 6 I can’t see not a 6 so you have to explain it.

I can’t magically hop into your shoes and see a 1 or 5.

So I say hey this 6 is reality. And explain it as such. I know that’s a thing.
If you think that 6 is not a reality Eg scum love this gamestate explain why
Then my reads change accordingly

Asking me just to “not think something” is not reasonable

this fuckig dude asks everyo e else to do th shit he should be doing like read your on fuckin posts take our own advice

In post 1969, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:

In post 1965, Critter wrote:

In post 1962, Towelie wrote:

In post 1960, Critter wrote:I don’t think scum are unhappy with the gamestate so the rest of that doesn’t follow.

last time i checked i don't make arguments based on your reads

I really, really wish you could lay off trying to filter everyone else's opinions through your perception of the gamestate.

It makes it fucking impossible to talk to you.

-b

That’s not based on my reads.
There’s a lack of communication.
The gamestate is not healthy.
If you don’t base your reads based on how the game is there isn’t really another way to see it.

If I am looking at a dice and I see a 6 I can’t see not a 6 so you have to explain it.

I can’t magically hop into your shoes and see a 1 or 5.

So I say hey this 6 is reality. And explain it as such. I know that’s a thing.
If you think that 6 is not a reality Eg scum love this gamestate explain why
Then my reads change accordingly

Asking me just to “not think something” is not reasonable

this fuckig dude asks everyo e else to do th shit he should be doing like read your on fuckin posts take our own advice

I have been this entire game?

The post Towelie said “Hey I don’t think scum do X”

So I met Towelie where they are
Assumed the facts best suited to their position
And ended up with a contradiction and asked them to explain?

Also I have to imagine that if VFT is scum then scum probably aren't very happy with the gamestate.

I think the gamestate is fine? People are talking and sharing opinions. I've seen worse, overall.

I think whether or not scum "love" the gamestate probably depends on whether or not VFT is scum or how many of the lurkfuck likely easy later elim slots (emmi, sm) are actually scum, so I'm not really making any assertion on the point with whatever i've posted.

But saying "I don't think VFT is scum therefore scum love the gamestate therefore VFT is town" is not a conversation i'm even going to entertain

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In post 1968, Something_Smart wrote:1965 feels like a lot of words to communicate something that really shouldn't take that many.

Sorry maybe I will just be an NT. That’s a switch I can turn off and on.

In post 1973, Critter wrote:

In post 1968, Something_Smart wrote:1965 feels like a lot of words to communicate something that really shouldn't take that many.

Sorry maybe I will just be an NT. That’s a switch I can turn off and on.

This is sarcasm btw