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In post 1949, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1944, Tanner wrote:but, when i asked him what's the point because he's currently saying vp is town, he said that he finds vp more townie, even with the above information calculated in. why would he then be offering to get flipped so that i have that information, if he deems it to not be *that* valuable?

If he is scum, I think he believes he wins wall. Then the score is 1-1 and maybe there's a chance you side with imaginality.

It's harder to see a reason as town.

I volunteer a town!implosion scenario and that is that he thinks that associatives from his flip will help Tanner's decision.

In post 1950, RH9 wrote:

In post 1949, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1944, Tanner wrote:but, when i asked him what's the point because he's currently saying vp is town, he said that he finds vp more townie, even with the above information calculated in. why would he then be offering to get flipped so that i have that information, if he deems it to not be *that* valuable?

If he is scum, I think he believes he wins wall. Then the score is 1-1 and maybe there's a chance you side with imaginality.

It's harder to see a reason as town.

I volunteer a town!implosion scenario and that is that he thinks that associatives from his flip will help Tanner's decision.

Ok fair point. But he would KNOW it was 1-1-1, so he should know definitively whatever the associatives say.

In post 1944, Tanner wrote:okay, here's a thing that's genuinely been confusing the hell out of me this game. implo offered if i want to flip the wall first, in order to prove that he's town, and that the split was 1-1-1 pre-night. because that is a point in scum!baltar's favour (because why does scum!imaginality voluntarily walk into a 1v1 where the other two players proclaimed that they're good at being townie and townreading each other). but, when i asked him what's the point because he's currently saying vp is town, he said that he finds vp more townie, even with the above information calculated in. why would he then be offering to get flipped so that i have that information, if he deems it to not be *that* valuable?

Tanner: the theory I'm coming to is maybe implosion is town and numberQ is scum. So implosion genuinely wants to give you more info by proving it's 1-1-1. He doesn't feel sure who's scum at Gate, or at Wall, but knows it's better for you to have more info rather than less and sees the Wall flip as more helpful to Gate than vice versa.

This would make Luke's gambit worse than if implo was scum but maybe Luke was trying to double bluff us since he knew once scum win Gate we'd recalibrate our reads at Wall accordingly. So, the gambit was aimed to achieve this sequence;

1. Get me mislimmed at Gate
2. VP flips scum at Gate, you take that into account at Wall
3. Implosion gets mislimmed at Wall as most likely VP-Luke partner.

Alternatively, scum implo might think proving it's 2-1-0 when he flips scum is enough to push you into mislimming me at Gate. But that's risky if he's scum because VP is the more likely buddy so that seems like quite a double edged sword move.

The question imaginality will dodge forever: why wouldn't luke just win at keep?

Coming up with gambit theories fails to answer a straight forward question when a VP-Luke scum team would have had a massive advantage.

Basically I have no idea what's going on with this game and can quite understand why you with even less info than me, are going round in circles.

That was @Tanner.

In post 1954, VP Baltar wrote:The question imaginality will dodge forever: why wouldn't luke just win at keep?

I already answered this. A reminder for those with short term memory loss:

-Luke wasn't guaranteed a win at Keep
-Ari was town's mvp and had just flipped from scumreading you for good reasons to scumreading me over a misinterpretation
-Luke knew Pav wouldn't resolve Keep quickly
-the longer Keep stayed in play the more chance of Ari solving the game
-so Luke gambled some of his chance of winning Keep to make sure that Keep resolved before Ari could do any more scumhunting

In post 1957, imaginality wrote:-Luke wasn't guaranteed a win at Keep

His odds were very high if you correctly read the game state. Of course nothing is guaranteed. It doesn't mean you bet the house when you're in a strong position. The only reason to do it was to gambit for a game you were losing handily.

Tanner doesn't have to interpret that information the same way that I do, it's just giving him more complete info. Probably the real answer is that I'm suggesting Wall flip before Gate because... well if we're wrong the weight of winning the last game goes to tanner instead of me and the other wallfolk. And also to some extent i want out and am just too wimpy to hammer when i had the chance >.>

oh, EVERYONE just wants out huh. if i could get out of this game, i think i would have hammered like 3 years ago

inb4 vp baltar decides to inform me that i *can* get out of i just hammered imaginality ahaha

this was supposed to be a Serious Alt, why does it anyways devolve into shitposting

anyway, one of the reasons why i don't want a hammer yet is because the damn wall should be discussing things too. and numberq has been heavily not doing that. so i'm gonna pretend like i totally am not dying inside and that i'm calmly waiting for him to get back

good night

In post 1961, Tanner wrote:inb4 vp baltar decides to inform me that i *can* get out of i just hammered imaginality ahaha

You know me well.

Do it now please. Imaginality is a wounded gazelle who needs to be put down. Any longer is just torturing the poor thing, dear.

In post 1962, Tanner wrote:good night

I SAID GOOD NIGHT YOU SCUMFUCK

In post 1965, Tanner wrote:I SAID GOOD NIGHT YOU SCUMFUCK

AND I SAID HAMMER YOU DAMN COWARD

In post 1966, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1965, Tanner wrote:I SAID GOOD NIGHT YOU SCUMFUCK

AND I SAID HAMMER YOU DAMN COWARD

Don't call Tanner a coward.

He is probably trying his best to interact with the game.

In post 1963, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1961, Tanner wrote:inb4 vp baltar decides to inform me that i *can* get out of i just hammered imaginality ahaha

You know me well.

Do it now please. Imaginality is a wounded gazelle who needs to be put down. Any longer is just torturing the poor thing, dear.

Wounded gazelle sounds right. Singled out and separated from the herd by predators who know they can bring him down.

In post 1960, Tanner wrote:oh, EVERYONE just wants out huh. if i could get out of this game, i think i would have hammered like 3 years ago

Well if you hammer wrong you still have to stare at the wall. If I hammer wrong I get to see the dead PT.

Idk I have nothing new to say and I don't think I will until/unless the nQ slot does anything. imaginality and VP slinging zingers at each other and pointing out All The Reasons Why The Decision Is Clear eventually gets old.

In post 1970, implosion wrote:imaginality and VP slinging zingers at each other and pointing out All The Reasons Why The Decision Is Clear eventually gets old.

I agree with this.

guess who's rereading the game AGAIN and taking actual physical notes while we wait until the nq situation gets resolved, yeah that's me

In post 451, Lukewarm wrote:Baltar has some weird interactions with Tanner, where he first says he doesn't care where he goes, but then makes multiple posts about being in the same game with Tanner. Not really sure how to feel about that. Definitly worse if Tanner is town

god, this is a meme post one way or another. picks me to be the ic, and then pre-writes a post where he says how he thinks i am scum, but if i happen to be town then this other person is scum (if i hear one more "see that is not theatre" from baltar i'm gonna lose it)

In post 560, Tanner wrote:

In post 558, Lukewarm wrote:Also, Baltar, you do realize that imaginality is only confirmed

town

from your POV, and not from tanner's, right?

luke and vp confirmed scum ggwp

this post is staring me in the fucking face lmfao

In post 589, imaginality wrote:Nah, after being on Pooky's scum team in Pokemon Mafia and watching him win a 1v1 against Milobird that went on for over a thousand posts, my scum side feels inspired and whenever I'm next scum I'll channel Pooky's spirit to win any 1v1 I'm in. Bring on the 1v1s!

this post Maybe makes my theory of "surely scum!imag doesn't voluntarily stay at the gate with the two of us fuckers if he has a choice" but it's difficult to say that without knowing how was scum actually attempting to balance the games, and also lol this post

In post 630, Aristeia wrote:I'm thinking the best ending would be if the scum between the two of you votes for me, and this causes the town player to panic vote the scum.

i really miss aristeia

page ~29 vp/luke is some top notch theatre if it is theatre. "ok luke, we're gonna distance this game. you're gonna be nitpicking everything i do, and i'm gonna ignore it and pretend i do not see until you awkwardly remind me about it for like the 4th time. and then i'm gonna elaborate on it and say that i wasn't thinking that hard about it". brilliant.

Tanner, last time that I thought that STD/Noraa performed top notch scum theatre, it turned out to be a failed pocket on Noraa's behalf.

So, in my opinion, I don't think that it is theatre because when 'it's too good to be true, it is too good to be true'.