In post 193, Human Sequencer wrote:Okay. I'm not suspicious of you at the moment, just to clarify.
I really wouldn't mind creeps at L-1 to be honest. I don't think a omgushammer is likely and even in worst case scenario I don't think he's going to be of much help after today, even if he does flip green.
Drone, do you agree?
Too obvious to buddy, too weird to ignore. At this point I was already confirmed but V/LA. What was the purpose behind this?
NAI from Drone and probably from HS too.
the parts of 334 about me look weird. like HS just wanted to agree with Drone's case on me from 330
Hmmm ok this is complicated. In 354 TF basically says that he wants to lynch Copper today and HS tomorrow. Drone in 365 takes this to mean an association, that TF thinks that Copper scum -> HS scum - which is obviously not what TF meant. Wondering why Drone went there.
470 HS is planning waaaaay ahead with this breadcrumbing, could be distancing.
613 already stated my opinion about this PL business but jfc every time I read this and the ensuing wagon I am certain at least one person on it is scum. Like I get that TF is potentially PL-worthy, but town!TF is such an easy wagon to jump on/start here.
Ok Drone votes HS in 813 basically citing my reasoning re: Creeps PL. 815 says he thinks HS and Creeps are scum partners, and that HS said they think TF is town because they have prior knowledge (lynch TF, told you he was town!). Which seems to be reaching a lot. Maybe Drone has prior knowledge.
821 is weiiiiird how is isolation scum indicative? Why is scum!HS isolating but not town? Wtf is that post
858 maintains he cannot see HS as town, given that "HS reads TF town, joins his wagon, but tries to create pl lynch on Creeps." So case is pretty solidified for Drone. 864 doesn't believe/like HS' VT claim. 868870 add to the case.
871 is L O L, Drone seems to think a lot of people are willing to and do bus.
1225 Drone unvotes HS, says "Why is this wagon still on?" whaaat on earth, like, Drone leaves off saying 'why would a VT roleclaim!?' basically that HS has to be scum! And then unvotes without explanation. So that's odd. Distancing from scum buddy? Knows HS is town so either Drone makes an ally by unvoting, or HS is lynched while Drone is away, so win/win? Or Drone is town and has a legitimate reason to unvote here.
122712341237 and then 1243 are bleh from Drone. Just a gross progression, from
Who thinks RK has a point on Mort? to
Here is the reasoning and why it is scummy from Mort, to
Well, for someone who didn't read, it's reasonable for RK to argue that, to
Actually RK is scum and I didn't read closely enough, vote RK
1358 implies again that HS isn't scum. Not seeing from Drone where the shift happened.
1359 Drone hasn't pinged HS??? After voting HS with an apparently watertight case, then unvoting 400 posts later with no explanation and saying 'yo this wagon sucks why does it still exist?' I don't get it. HS seems to townread people who ease up on HS.
1374 is weird, from HS. Ignoring the fact that I am a genius at persuasion, why is lynching HS (which is what 1374 is a response to) connected to my ability to convince town of my reads/whether I get NKd?
1447 HS says Drone is "eh." Eh meaning scummy but townreads HS so therefore good to keep around? Eh meaning has said nothing that might generate a read (false)? Eh meaning what?
1477 l m f a o. votes TF, either we lynch TF or Drone replaces out
Aaand then he just unvotes TF in 1632. No reason given.
Drone is probably scum. HS might be his scum buddy, but I doubt it just because I doubt HS is scum. For a few reasons. Couple specific questions out of the PBPA:
Why is Drone suddenly against the HS wagon starting at 1225 when he was fairly adamant about it 400 posts earlier?
What is HS' current read of Drone? In 1447 HS is "eh" regarding Drone.
Cause 400 posts is a lot? And it's visible HS has done mistakes as a town lacking a bit of experience an knowledge, rather than playing as a scum mastermind.
You're weaving cases, claimed to have 7 scum reads, lining lynches.
I'm getting very worried about you Mort.
Either paranoia, or you're not so innocent.. :/
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:24 pm
by ArcAngel9
I am tired of pushing my case against Chaos. I am done for this day. Its your choice. HE IS CONFIRMED SCUM.
Too bad that someone of you couldn't see it. Mort - You see things better than others. You know where I am coming from. Chaos is a liar, he continue to lie, avoid and nothing but only played scummy.
Ill vote Arc at deadline if its needed, well ill vote whoever at deadline if needed but id prefer Arc over HS only bc HS is town and i have literally no read on arc
Arc is town and HS *could be town* and all we have to do is listen to the scum.
??
Is this the post you meant that Nero pointed out Uzi?? I dont get it
I have Arc as null and HS as town and so id obvs prefer a lynch on Arc
And Mort no i havent read the exchange but im feeling better and will be doing so today
There was no need for him to claim if he is honestly a cop. He fake claimed to avoid being questioned since we were pushing him
Cmon. If he's telling the truth about his role and being away this weekend there is absolutely motivation to claim. Especially since he got to l-2.
Still not sold on him but you shouldn't be that narrow minded
99/100 times cop claims sort themselves out
Been reading some exchanges, not caught up yet but Mort is def town. I also like TwoFace
Chaos is a bad lynch by claim alone
Could def be scum but if he is we'll know it before it hurts us (no read on Chaos this is just me saying that the cop claim doesnt make him town but it does make him something other than todays lynch)
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:37 am
by TwoFace
We should lynch out of my original pool. RB/HS/drone. RB is preferred but at this late stage whoever of these 3. Still don't object to an arc lynch because of this push to still lynch chaos.
Going to be less inactive today to save battery life on my phone but I'll still be checking the thread.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:21 am
by Human Sequencer
RB is town
Sorry TF
In response to RB's questions
TF: Town
Uzi: Town
I agree with the three step plan, Arc, Chaos and Drone, not sure with the order. I know I was addressed a bunch earlier, I did read everything up to this point, I'm still here and will reread and answer accordingly
@TF please please please vig drone instead, rest of town comment on this please, we might be able to convince him together
VOTE: ArcAngel9
I'll explain my read change soon
@Uzi My read on toto at the time is now irrelevant because of his conversation w/ mort about millers, he's a townlean now
At the time I was just getting really worried that he was allowed to fly under the radar w/ little content, and the fact that his change in play and competence was so jarring from our last game was starting to really eat away at me
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:26 am
by Human Sequencer
I think what toto said about millers is valid, if Shadow is a miller is gives Chaos' cop claim a little more validity, not enough to confirm it though
I don't think taking a potential creeps claim as evidence is valid though
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:58 am
by keyenpeydee
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:19 am
by ArcAngel9
I give up. Not even one person in this group who is willing to listen. Everyone has stuck up with their own ego.
Good luck. I no longer care who is going to get lynched anymore. 40 hours left for this horrible day anyway. I regret replacing into this game now.
Ill vote Arc at deadline if its needed, well ill vote whoever at deadline if needed but id prefer Arc over HS only bc HS is town and i have literally no read on arc
Arc is town and HS *could be town* and all we have to do is listen to the scum.
??
Is this the post you meant that Nero pointed out Uzi?? I dont get it
I have Arc as null and HS as town and so id obvs prefer a lynch on Arc
And Mort no i havent read the exchange but im feeling better and will be doing so today
Huh?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:30 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 1986, ArcAngel9 wrote:I give up. Not even one person in this group who is willing to listen. Everyone has stuck up with their own ego.
Good luck. I no longer care who is going to get lynched anymore. 40 hours left for this horrible day anyway. I regret replacing into this game now.
Your just whining now, you're not even attempting to gamesolve.
VOTE: Arc
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:37 am
by rb
Gotta be honest I feel like all the wagons that keep occurring have scum on them. The VC history is so fucking weird but I'm okay with Arc lynch. Having a meltdown at like L-7 and because we won't lynch the apparently confscum cop claim - it's just absurd.
VOTE: Arc
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:39 am
by rb
In post 1986, ArcAngel9 wrote:I give up. Not even one person in this group who is willing to listen. Everyone has stuck up with their own ego.
Good luck. I no longer care who is going to get lynched anymore. 40 hours left for this horrible day anyway. I regret replacing into this game now.
I sometimes feel this way too so it does kinda give me pause, but I know I've been blindsided by AtE because I find it genuine by default. This is like the one type of behaviour I can never read consistently so I'll vote with my townreads if they think it's scum AtE.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:44 am
by Naomi-Tan
In post 1989, rb wrote:Gotta be honest I feel like all the wagons that keep occurring have scum on them. The VC history is so fucking weird but I'm okay with Arc lynch. Having a meltdown at like L-7 and because we won't lynch the apparently confscum cop claim - it's just absurd.
In post 1941, Naomi-Tan wrote:hey rb. you commented on all but me. can i get some attention ?
Why are you so concerned about how rb views you?
I feel RB is the type of player who I can't work out there alignment just from there reads on me..
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:11 am
by rb
Honestly skipped you entirely, hadn't gotten around to you. Would suck if you were scum but I've done such a huge amount of catching up and not gotten much clarity out of it that I feel too apathetic about doing more rn.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:25 am
by Naomi-Tan
In post 1993, rb wrote:Honestly skipped you entirely, hadn't gotten around to you. Would suck if you were scum but I've done such a huge amount of catching up and not gotten much clarity out of it that I feel too apathetic about doing more rn.
In post 1983, Human Sequencer wrote:@TF please please please vig drone instead, rest of town comment on this please, we might be able to convince him together
Sorry. He's s scum read and his winning personality doesn't make me want to change my mind. I'll take the blame if I'm wrong but I don't see anything town motivated from this slot. If you want to accept town will intentionally misrep and lie that's fine. I don't accept that. I refuse to accept town does this. If that makes me the shitty player. 1. Lo fucking L 2. So be it.
I'll gladly put that in my sig. im a shitty player cause I think lying is a scumtell.
In post 1927, MortFeld wrote:I'm just throwing it out as an idea. I'd rather lynch Chaos, then Arc, then Drone.
Why are you lining up lynches and why do you think it's healthy for town?
You know how much the game can change?
You are reading things out of context. That was my lynch pool for today in order of preference. I feel like if you read anything I said about Arc and Chaos you'd know that lynching Chaos and then lynching Arc only makes sense if Chaos flips town - which is a scummy thing you could have picked up on, scummer.
In post 1945, MortFeld wrote:
Why is Drone suddenly against the HS wagon starting at 1225 when he was fairly adamant about it 400 posts earlier?
Cause 400 posts is a lot? And it's visible HS has done mistakes as a town lacking a bit of experience an knowledge, rather than playing as a scum mastermind
Cool, agree with this.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:57 am
by MortFeld
In post 1983, Human Sequencer wrote:
I agree with the three step plan, Arc, Chaos and Drone, not sure with the order.
No this is not a 3-step plan. I repeat, no no no. Only Arc and Chaos are linked, and even that isn't 100% certain. Bah.
In post 1984, Human Sequencer wrote:I think what toto said about millers is valid, if Shadow is a miller is gives Chaos' cop claim a little more validity, not enough to confirm it though
Wrong. Cop fakeclaim is just as likely whether there is a Miller or not. Having a miller makes there being a real cop more likely - but that's not what we're discussing.
In post 1983, Human Sequencer wrote:@TF please please please vig drone instead, rest of town comment on this please, we might be able to convince him together
Down for one of 3 vig options: vig Drone, vig Shadow, or vig nobody.
TF I openly oppose you shooting rb. Do not do this and if you do and rb is shot and flips town I will be fucking irate and whatever rulebreaking I can accuse you of I will do so. Do not ruin my first non-newbie game any more than it's already been ruined because of your ego.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Arcangel at the very least we can force a claim at L-1.
This is L-2.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:59 am
by MortFeld
In post 1996, TwoFace wrote:
I'll gladly put that in my sig. im a shitty player cause I think lying is a scumtell.
Lots of things are scumtells, that's not what we're discussing. Using a vig shot a certain way when town directly opposes it
does
make you a shitty player. Pretty sure there are way better ways of sorting the rb slot.
