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In post 1973, JaeReed wrote:since Lycan should not have been the nightkill

In post 1973, JaeReed wrote:I think Kuroi is town now, too.

In post 1976, Postie wrote:

In post 1973, JaeReed wrote:since Lycan should not have been the nightkill

Or it was a vig and the nightkill failed?

In post 1971, ɀefiend wrote:Hmm, looking over DEO's iso and I found this little nugget:

In post 596, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 595, Shadow_step wrote:You played that game GIF hosted. How can you seriously think that .

The 15p?

I legit don't care about meta

.

Interactions in THIS GAME suggest

at least one of you or Vedith is scum and dreal is town.

But apparently you

do

care about meta enough to defend Titus...

In post 1921, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1919, ɀefiend wrote:

In post 1915, Gamma Emerald wrote:So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.

What?

DEO's reason was that SS's reason was a PL. It was not. It was clarified as a joke, interpreted as a joke by multiple people; the self-meta was questioned -- and still DEO carried on for over 20 pages.

A TvT situation would have been like:
"PL lynch Titus! She's always scum!"
"Are you seriously suggesting that?"
"No, it was a joke!"
<game continues>

Instead DEO took control of the game.

Let's note this is Titus and MathBlade we're talking about here. I KNOW Math is a tunneler as town, and Titus likely believed the PL thing was valid. I've seen people use tells like "people who suggest PLs are scum" as town as major case builders.
btw both point I make here are based in the same game.

In post 1926, Gamma Emerald wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68707
Infinity is my reference for tells like the one Titus used, he said 40% of the time scum would vote GL based on his username
Math tunneled me in this game for ALL of day 1

In post 1932, ɀefiend wrote:

In post 1927, mhsmith0 wrote:[...]

Please provide a couple examples of Titus doing this as scum in previous games.

I'm not building a scum-meta case on Titus,

I'm trying to show how things appear in the context of THIS game

. Also see above posts; I have experience with Titus as both alignments.

Do you see how that's a bit hypocritical?

In post 1988, Klingoncelt wrote:Meta thing, when Titus is in a hydra she's more confident. When she's in a neighborhood she's more confident. She's willing to do a bit of gambiting.

She normally would have started building a Townbloc on Day1, but here we are in Day3 and she hasn't broached the subject yet.

No attempt whatsoever to join forces with anyone. No gambits

I don't like it. Not one bit.

VOTE: The DEO

In post 1974, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 1971, ɀefiend wrote:Do you see how that's a bit hypocritical?

It's a bit hypocritical I guess, but why is it scum-indicative of Gamma to turn his face away from shadow's offered meta defense while on a different time and place using his own meta understanding to defend DEO?

Like, Gamma didn't seem to be saying that he somehow didn't care about meta in general, rather it seemed like he was explicitly rejecting shadow's meta defense, with stated reasoning of there being evidence of interactions that seemed damning (though why he picked shadow over vedith if it was "one of you two is scum" is possibly an interesting question I might want to dig into).

So other than it being vaguely bad-looking to reject a type of reasoning in one case and accept it in a different case, why does it actually suggest he's being strategic or materially hypocritical?

In post 1985, Gamma Emerald wrote: I don't listen to my scumreads is why.

In post 1973, JaeReed wrote:

In post 1968, ɀefiend wrote:I'm also wondering why JaeReed abandoned our dialogue. What happened to all the wallpost?

If I abandoned it then it means one of the following:
I forgot (please quote it if you want more discussion since I'm too lazy to go back right now)
I was done talking (not sure if that's the case since I don't even remember having a discussion with you)

I've been preoccupied trying to reread and look at vote counts and struggling to figure out where I went wrong with my reads since Lycan should not have been the nightkill, which indicates something about my thoughts on the gamestate isn't adding up...which means my reads are horribly wrong, most likely.

I think Kuroi is town now, too.

In post 1992, The DEO wrote:Zefiend, why did you avoid voting RachMarie?

In post 1994, ɀefiend wrote:

In post 1992, The DEO wrote:Zefiend, why did you avoid voting RachMarie?

Can you avoid asking dishonest questions? I was voting RM when I felt she was the optimal lynch.

I did not vote boring because I felt lycanfire was a better choice. The defense against Math, the claim, the reads -- nothing compelled me to move my vote. I should have known better since apparently Math's case was bullshit. But that is a whole other topic I still need to reevaluate in my scumread on your slot.

In post 1990, The DEO wrote:

In post 1988, Klingoncelt wrote:Meta thing, when Titus is in a hydra she's more confident. When she's in a neighborhood she's more confident. She's willing to do a bit of gambiting.

She normally would have started building a Townbloc on Day1, but here we are in Day3 and she hasn't broached the subject yet.

No attempt whatsoever to join forces with anyone. No gambits

I don't like it. Not one bit.

VOTE: The DEO

Oh I have a townblock. You are not in it Grandma.

~Titus

In post 1995, The DEO wrote:

In post 1994, ɀefiend wrote:

In post 1992, The DEO wrote:Zefiend, why did you avoid voting RachMarie?

Can you avoid asking dishonest questions? I was voting RM when I felt she was the optimal lynch.

I did not vote boring because I felt lycanfire was a better choice. The defense against Math, the claim, the reads -- nothing compelled me to move my vote. I should have known better since apparently Math's case was bullshit. But that is a whole other topic I still need to reevaluate in my scumread on your slot.

Math's scumread was moonlogic, not bullshit. Nice deflection.

You were voting RachMarie when no one would lynch her but when the wagon took off, you did not. Suggests distancing.

Your OMGUS and hypersensitivity to being FoSed also suggest scum.

What alignment do you think RachMarie was? Who do you think was scum on her wagon?

In post 1991, ɀefiend wrote:

In post 1974, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 1971, ɀefiend wrote:Do you see how that's a bit hypocritical?

It's a bit hypocritical I guess, but why is it scum-indicative of Gamma to turn his face away from shadow's offered meta defense while on a different time and place using his own meta understanding to defend DEO?

Like, Gamma didn't seem to be saying that he somehow didn't care about meta in general, rather it seemed like he was explicitly rejecting shadow's meta defense, with stated reasoning of there being evidence of interactions that seemed damning (though why he picked shadow over vedith if it was "one of you two is scum" is possibly an interesting question I might want to dig into).

So other than it being vaguely bad-looking to reject a type of reasoning in one case and accept it in a different case, why does it actually suggest he's being strategic or materially hypocritical?

In post 1985, Gamma Emerald wrote: I don't listen to my scumreads is why.

OK nvm, fair point. I am just trying to make sense of the Gamma-DEO connection. Maybe I am just imagining it but I feel like there's something off.

In regards to Titus, we will have have to agree to disagree about the whole meta thing. Just a final word, though -- can't scum appear sincere as well?

In post 1986, drealmerz7 wrote:I also have a bit of a scumlean on JR now - seems like he's been trying to figure out what happened to the NK

In post 1987, drealmerz7 wrote:like "were we redirected or was it a vig. shot and we were blocked wtf happened?!?!?!"