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In post 1926, Brian Skies wrote:

In post 1922, Ankamius wrote:well

you're using meta as a case against me, so you should be able to figure out why that's town if you use it properly

I'll give you a hint:

(I don't try to derail the Ginngie wagon as scum. Maaaaaaaaaaybe if Ginngie was town, but not if Ginngie is also scum)

When have I used meta as a case against you?

The only person I've used meta on as a case against them is Nancy. Who by the way still had that ridiculous townread on you for townreading her even though you did nothing of the sort.

Dude, you don’t know my meta. Only people who do are Ank, Wisdom and Kokici.

In post 1965, FakeGod wrote:

VoteCount 2.3

Ginngie [6] - Katsuki, grapes, Purrcocet, Brian Skies, Kaede Akamatsu, Kokichi Oma

Not Voting [9]

- andriod18, Nancy Drew 39, Ankamius, Ginngie, mastina, Human Sequencer, Wisdom, Dunnstral, Nosferatu

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-06-30 15:00:00)

L-2, do people want me to put this at L-1 or have more discussion?

In post 1976, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 1965, FakeGod wrote:

VoteCount 2.3

Ginngie [6] - Katsuki, grapes, Purrcocet, Brian Skies, Kaede Akamatsu, Kokichi Oma

Not Voting [9]

- andriod18, Nancy Drew 39, Ankamius, Ginngie, mastina, Human Sequencer, Wisdom, Dunnstral, Nosferatu

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-06-30 15:00:00)

L-2, do people want me to put this at L-1 or have more discussion?

I want someone other than Brian or Dunn to answer this.

You think Gingie is scum?

In post 1978, Wisdom wrote:You think Gingie is scum?

Based on my reads, obviously not but if there’s hard evidence against him, I can’t ignore it. That’s why I stipulated that anyone but Brian - who seems to be in huge rush and Dunn who is equally adamant about delaying it.

What is your take on this?

Ive already said

Either katsuki is town gambiting like he did last game or he's scum bussing him
Im townreading gingie so i was leaning towards the former but his reactions made me think it might be the latter

In any case i dont believe katsuki

In post 1980, Wisdom wrote:Ive already said

Either katsuki is town gambiting like he did last game or he's scum bussing him
Im townreading gingie so i was leaning towards the former but his reactions made me think it might be the latter

In any case i dont believe katsuki

What is your current read on Brian, Dunn, Nos?

Something isn’t adding up. If Gingie is the only one who visited Muffin, then Nos could not possibly have visited him. If Nos visited him, then Katsuki has to be lying about the watcher.

I always mistrust speed lynches on principle, unless it is of course, close to deadline. I also remember that Muffin wasn’t scumreading you, so I find that questionable but even if true, Muffin was a vt, so he couldn’t possibly know your alignment.

I would feel better if this disparity between Nos’ account and Katsuki’s could be resolved. Brian’s Muffin turning over in his grave comment, especially had me lol.

If Katsuki is scum, who is he w/w with?

In post 1980, Wisdom wrote:Ive already said

Either katsuki is town gambiting like he did last game or he's scum bussing him
Im townreading gingie so i was leaning towards the former but his reactions made me think it might be the latter

In any case i dont believe katsuki

So you think that Katsuki is bussing Gingie? What would be the motivation for that? There’s likely just 3 scum in a game and it’s only d2, so I think bussing is highly unlikely. I think that more likely one of the two is a wolf and the other is town. IMO, either town!Kats has a guilty on scum!Gingie or scum!Kats is pushing a Gingie mislynch.

the motivation is he then rides the cred and wins

look at posts like this

In post 1900, Katsuki wrote:>POWERLYNCH GINNGIE WITH GREAT JUSTICE
>IF SCUM, GAME IS WON WE PROCEED WITH ANK/DUNSTRALL
>IF TOWN, I GET VIGGED/POWERLYNCHED D3

He is already planning to townlead after a red flip
And the last part shows hes confident gin is town so he wont be in danger.
Those two together point to bussing

Also see gingie's weird reaction to this push

In post 1985, Wisdom wrote:hes confident gin is town

isnt*

In post 1899, Ginngie wrote:

In post 1896, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Meanwhile we still don't know why you checked mastina Ginngie.

Do you want me to answer this?

Get Katsuki to entertain me

Yeah odd reaction from villa being pushed by scum. I see your point.

And the Mastina visit doesn’t make sense.

So if you think Gingie is scum why aren’t you voting him? Are you hoping for a Katsuki wagon instead?

If you’re right, then Purr can vig the other one.

In post 1914, Ankamius wrote:

In post 1700, Katsuki wrote:How interesting, it seems FG is now a fan of Amnesiac roles.

I received a PM stating that Ginngie and Ginngie alone visited muffins last night.

I'm pretty our watcher role does not need to claim today.

VOTE: GINNGIE

This is almost 100% a gambit.

I believe Katsuki is well able to gambit as both alignments just based on my personality read of him.

Katsuki-town saw the Muffin kill and decided to fakeclaim a guilty in order to sheep his reads.
Katsuki-scum wanted to gambit to get free kills; this would mean that town overall was probably in a pretty good spot reads-wise despite the mislynch D1.

Plus, the role being claimed feels out of place in this setup.

In post 1913, Ankamius wrote:

In post 1698, Kokichi Oma wrote:Stupid lunch. We should have got Kaede. VOTE: Kaede this is scum

In post 1699, Kokichi Oma wrote:She vanilla copped her cc. Hahahaha

That isn't scummy and Kaede actually isn't scum.

What changed your read on her?

Do you think you agree with Wisdom that Kat’s is bussing Gingie?

L1 please

HEY WISDOM

SINCE YOURE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO REALIZE

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IM GOING TO FAKECLAIM A FUCKING AMNESIAC ROLE AS SCUM WHEN THE AMNESIAC CAN PROBABLY SEND THEIR RESULT TO A DIFFERENT PLAYER TOMORROW?

YOURE ACTUALLY SO bAD SOTP PLAYING MAFIA

In post 1981, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 1980, Wisdom wrote:Ive already said

Either katsuki is town gambiting like he did last game or he's scum bussing him
Im townreading gingie so i was leaning towards the former but his reactions made me think it might be the latter

In any case i dont believe katsuki

What is your current read on Brian, Dunn, Nos?

Something isn’t adding up. If Gingie is the only one who visited Muffin, then Nos could not possibly have visited him. If Nos visited him, then Katsuki has to be lying about the watcher.

I always mistrust speed lynches on principle, unless it is of course, close to deadline. I also remember that Muffin wasn’t scumreading you, so I find that questionable but even if true, Muffin was a vt, so he couldn’t possibly know your alignment.

I would feel better if this disparity between Nos’ account and Katsuki’s could be resolved. Brian’s Muffin turning over in his grave comment, especially had me lol.

You're overthinking things Nancy. There's a reason why Nos is voting Ginngie. Look beyond the surface of words, see what the actions indicate.

In post 1990, Katsuki wrote:HEY WISDOM

SINCE YOURE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO REALIZE

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IM GOING TO FAKECLAIM A FUCKING AMNESIAC ROLE AS SCUM WHEN THE AMNESIAC CAN PROBABLY SEND THEIR RESULT TO A DIFFERENT PLAYER TOMORROW?

YOURE ACTUALLY SO bAD SOTP PLAYING MAFIA

simple, there is no amnesiac role

It amuses me greatly that you think I'm scum bussing and still refuse to vote for the free scumflip I'm gifting this town

I really should do this in every scum game I play from now on if this is the intelligence level I'm playing against

For now tho help me bus ty

Like hai guys I'm literally scum claiming that ginngie is my buddy I don't care game get me out ty

So you ready or what

The less Ginngie wants to answer the question, the less I care about Ginngie living.
Ginngie flipping into "KATSUKI HAS TO ANSWER ME FIRST" just strengthens that.

There's also the whole discussion I had yesterday with Katsuki about faking guilties.

In post 1976, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:L-2, do people want me to put this at L-1 or have more discussion?

I would like to hear from mastina first at the very least.
I want her to come and see that Ginngie decided to vanilla cop her.
And what she thinks about that.

In exactly 24 hours

I will post the question