Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[RadiantCowbells]

i have no interest in wagoning vecna rn

[We are not helping]

unlucky

who do you want to wagon rc

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

ok since nobody is here im going to assume the vc was doctored because there is an unedited vc 22 posts before and wonderwall haven't moved their votes so correct me if im wrong but now thats how im viewing the game and it can have permanent ramifications that will lead me down tunneling paths and locktowning wrong people if this is wrong so better correct me quickly or else

It was doctored. NSG actually quoting the VC in the fakehammer should point to this.
Damn I didn't notice it was doctored, I actually thought it was a mod mistake lol. I'm off this game sigh

[Trojan Horses]

ok vote vecna then trojan

No.

[We are not helping]

rc pls respond quickly so i can mull it over im very hyped to play some ms.net right now

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

like

mastina cant actually be this dumb can she

I want to kill mastina just to make her stop posting. I am not confident about her alignment but I am confident that her turning this into a 250 page nightmare is going to be so not fun I would rather lose. I do not care that mastina will call me scum for posting this.

I seriously don't get this. Yes, she's been throwing vitriol at people scumreading her, but that's not even a rare thing on this site, no?
What other problems do you have with her?

NSG, have the last few pages been readable for you?

[Trojan Horses]

who do you want to wagon rc

Read his posts and make a guess

[We are not helping]

okay but its much nicer for me to ask who, and he respond trojan horse and i say why and he respond because x,y,z

rather than saying why do you want to wagon trojan horse, that's too aggressive questioning and he'll get defensive and then take a plastic bag and drown us in a river

-oka

[northsidegal]

It wasn't faked, it was an actual error. Jingle got back to me telling me that copy pasting our conversation was alright, so here it is:

Spoiler:

northsidegal (XX:31)
jingle
Jingle (XX:31)
sup?
northsidegal (XX:32)
err
northsidegal (XX:32)
well the first thing is that your most recent vc is wrong
northsidegal (XX:32)
but then i was going to ask if anything bad would happen if i voted while quoting an incorrect vc that made it look like i hammered
Jingle (XX:33)
I'll fix the VC right now
northsidegal (XX:33)
wait dont
Jingle (XX:33)
It'll take me a bit to figure out where the errors are, so you've got time
Jingle (XX:34)
But knowing there are errors I kinda have to fix them
northsidegal (XX:34)
ok go ahead
northsidegal (XX:00)
can i post our chat logs with timestamps?
Jingle (XX:XX)
you may copy the text, but not screenshot it
Jingle (XX:03)
as long as it is not provably coming from me it's acceptable in my rules set.
northsidegal (XX:03)
gotcha, thanks
Jingle (XX:03)
also, OP updated
northsidegal (XX:03)
thanks !!


(yes, i replaced the hour marks.)

[Trojan Horses]

Mastina, she knew the VC was wrong. She was fakehammering for reactions.

And what reactions has she drawn from it?

This is not a question directed at you, for you to analyze the reactions to her hammer attempt.

This is a question directed at you, to analyze what

she

has analyzed in regards to reactions to her hammer attempt.

Where's her analysis from the hammer attempt?
Where's her thoughts? Her feedback? Where's her conclusions from it?

Why do you expect instant analysis from her?
Now that you know it's a doctored VC, it's fact that she knew it was wrong.
What now, Mastina?

[We are not helping]

hmm nsg are you a don corleone who doctors a conversation with jingle and doctors the timestamps to make you look real townie

-oka

[We are not helping]

nsg want to give me a token of support and endorse a good ol vecna lynch ?

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

Oh OK, he edited the problematic VC. Coolio.

[Trojan Horses]

okay but its much nicer for me to ask who, and he respond trojan horse and i say why and he respond because x,y,z

And what's your own read on me, Oka?

[We are not helping]

depends on whether you vote vecna right now trojan

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

Can you scumcase Vecna? If you can sell me on it, I'll vote him.

[northsidegal]

nsg want to give me a token of support and endorse a good ol vecna lynch ?

-oka

vecna replaced jormen, right? at the moment i don't think i'm going to endorse any lynch any time soon. i'm very sorry to hear that people are suffering this game, but i honestly expect that we can basically coalition this game and come up with a game winning PoE / lynch order day 1. most people expect that scum has some kind of boost to compensate for their harsh lose condition (although jingle has had some pretty harsh win conditions for scum in his games before, so it's not guaranteed), so i think that minimizing the night phases we go through is pretty important. someone might respond to this just like they did when i said something similar earlier, "obviously we should minimize nights nsg duhh, the point is to lynch scum", but i think the point has slightly more nuance than that. theoretically, we can lynch scum day 1 in both games and basically win right there. given that, and given that that would presumably avoid any nonsense that scum has, taking our time day one seems pretty beneficial. it almost seems like what we're meant to do, given that we don't have a deadline.

[We are not helping]

Can you scumcase Vecna? If you can sell me on it, I'll vote him.

how about this argument

if we can't move this game forward on our own with a wagon, say vecna, then its proof that rc v mastina is the only way to move this game forward and do you want that

rc and mastina are good people but it can't just be me who have basically skipped half their posts if i see them responding to each other

-oka

[We are not helping]

also i think we can all agree jormen was pretty scummy

and vecna hasn't really done all that much to change that read

so its best wagon in our game

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

how about this argument

if we can't move this game forward on our own with a wagon, say vecna, then its proof that rc v mastina is the only way to move this game forward and do you want that

rc and mastina are good people but it can't just be me who have basically skipped half their posts if i see them responding to each other

I'm interested in positions others take to RC v Mastina.
Meanwhile, I can wagon SirCakez or Baezu.

[We are not helping]

how about this argument

if we can't move this game forward on our own with a wagon, say vecna, then its proof that rc v mastina is the only way to move this game forward and do you want that

rc and mastina are good people but it can't just be me who have basically skipped half their posts if i see them responding to each other

I'm interested in positions others take to RC v Mastina.
Meanwhile, I can wagon SirCakez or Baezu.

why sircakez or baezu? i don't actually remember much of their posts so you'll have to refresh me

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

I feel like he has to some extent, and if his activity begins to dip I'll get back to pushing him. Jormenburger was pretty scummy, yes, and some instances of his behaviour match his previous scumgame, yes, and replacing out via lurk could also be scum indicative - but meh.

Also, I think he's already been at L-1, right?

Was anyone explicitly against wagoning him before? I don't recall.

Let's vote Baezu?

Pedit: Yeah, I feel like they're not contributing. Not remembering much of their posts is a sign that they're coasting. I remember that she posted but nothing else

[We are not helping]

i feel like wonderwall was against it and rc was fencesitting on it?

i don't actually know tho brb

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

Cakez I'm slightly conflicted about, but I need to condense my thoughts there. For example, his not immediately understanding that my "isn't that a good sign " post was a jab at him (when he said that about Vecna shading him because scum need to divert) although he explained that he "isn't getting that vibe" from me; and his nonchalant dismissal of RC calling him scum because "always pushes me" and relative non-reaction to my push as well - his self-described meta is that he strongly reacts to being mislynched and is actually cool with town correctly scumreading him, so... I feel like that should extend in some part to vocal players pushing you even if you're generally townread outside that?

[Trojan Horses]

i feel like wonderwall was against it and rc was fencesitting on it?

i don't actually know tho brb

Sure, if you can dig up the contexts it'll be great. I heavily doubt scum!RC would let his buddy get run up to L-1 and sit there though, prolly would've strongarmed a couple of voters off the wagon.