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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:05 am
by petapan
VOTE: titus

that's a fucking scumclaim if i've seen one and fuck this game if we can't make this happen

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:06 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1974, Titus wrote:
In post 1972, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus I think you're extremely wrong on your read of that claim.
Why?
Do you think she is scum announcing voyeur??

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:07 am
by Titus
In post 1976, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1974, Titus wrote:
In post 1972, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus I think you're extremely wrong on your read of that claim.
Why?
Do you think she is scum announcing voyeur??
No. I think the whole thing is a fabrication.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:07 am
by Dwlee99
That's ridiculous.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:07 am
by petapan
In post 1969, Titus wrote:
In post 1966, petapan wrote:also i think dwlee-scum has maybe the least motive to kill nero out of anyone in this game tbh

anyone else i can see reasons for, but him? mehh
Why do you keep supposing Nero was a scumkill?
unless you're claiming vig (lmao) i'm not seeing anyone else that makes that kill while sided with the town

reasonable assumption is it was from scum

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:07 am
by petapan
In post 1978, Dwlee99 wrote:That's ridiculous.
shes scum dude

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:17 am
by petapan
what scum fabricates ANNOUNCING VOYEUR, a role that is both completely shitty and verifiable such that they are likely to get called out on it if they are unable to prove it

if there was a planned claim it would not be that

(and keep in mind i think the role itself is basically NAI, but trying to use this as an argument for voting anya is terribad)

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:26 am
by Dwlee99
I don't want to derail the T3 wagon and I totally agree that Titus' take is ridiculous but I don't know if I agree that it is alignment indicative for Titus.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:27 am
by Andresvmb
In post 1966, petapan wrote:also i think dwlee-scum has maybe the least motive to kill nero out of anyone in this game tbh

anyone else i can see reasons for, but him? mehh
I think kills to frame players are a thing. I would never just assume this early that an NK was done for a specific purpose. You just don’t know.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:28 am
by Andresvmb
In post 1980, petapan wrote:
In post 1978, Dwlee99 wrote:That's ridiculous.
shes scum dude
You were expressing this much certainty about Nero Cain and was wrong. You’re starting to make me think I am siding completely wrong here.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:34 am
by Andresvmb
In post 1970, Dwlee99 wrote:If T3 is town he can try to push me on "well my arbitrary decision that there is one scum in these 2 players says Dwlee is scum now."
It’s not an arbitrary decision. It might look like that to you, but I usually express that of two slots that seem Scummy on the surface and are fighting each other, sometimes hard.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:37 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1985, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1970, Dwlee99 wrote:If T3 is town he can try to push me on "well my arbitrary decision that there is one scum in these 2 players says Dwlee is scum now."
It’s not an arbitrary decision. It might look like that to you, but I usually express that of two slots that seem Scummy on the surface and are fighting each other, sometimes hard.
Have T3 and I fought?

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:51 am
by VFP
In post 1975, petapan wrote:VOTE: titus

that's a fucking scumclaim if i've seen one and fuck this game if we can't make this happen
What was a scum claim?

But I'm for a Titus lim here.
I think Titus has a lot more chance to flip scum than T3 at the very least.

VOTE: Titus

There seems to be enough thought as Titus scum here to at least warrant this as a wagon. If there's heavy resistance to even that stage, we can work out why.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:01 am
by Andresvmb
In post 1986, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1985, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1970, Dwlee99 wrote:If T3 is town he can try to push me on "well my arbitrary decision that there is one scum in these 2 players says Dwlee is scum now."
It’s not an arbitrary decision. It might look like that to you, but I usually express that of two slots that seem Scummy on the surface and are fighting each other, sometimes hard.
Have T3 and I fought?
Fighting is perhaps the wrong word. Strongly accused each other of being Scum. How about that?

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:06 am
by Andresvmb
I’m inclined to believe Titus’ skepticism of the claim is Towny, not Scummy. I don’t think there’s much of an incentive to question that claim from a Scum perspective.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:30 am
by petapan
In post 1989, Andresvmb wrote:I’m inclined to believe Titus’ skepticism of the claim is Towny, not Scummy. I don’t think there’s much of an incentive to question that claim from a Scum perspective.
i think there's absolutely incentive for scum to try to force an elimination on a claimed town PR by expressing skepticism that the claim is too strange or too powerful or what have you, and i predicted that sort of thing would happen on day 1. scum win games by eliminating town and if your juicy lurker lim suddenly claims a PR and people start unvoting and having doubts, it's not good to let the opportunity slip through your fingers, you have to start going "i dunno guys, that claim sounds too crazy, would that REALLY be a role? it sounds so fake!"

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:57 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1988, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1986, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1985, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1970, Dwlee99 wrote:If T3 is town he can try to push me on "well my arbitrary decision that there is one scum in these 2 players says Dwlee is scum now."
It’s not an arbitrary decision. It might look like that to you, but I usually express that of two slots that seem Scummy on the surface and are fighting each other, sometimes hard.
Have T3 and I fought?
Fighting is perhaps the wrong word. Strongly accused each other of being Scum. How about that?
I don't think T3 ever called me scum

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:03 am
by VFP
Plausible Andre saw the post from T3 to me that has the words of you being scum... Of course, context of that post isn't T3 saying you're scum.
Scum Andre maybe just quickly searching for a T3 read and not actually reading?

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:04 am
by VFP
In post 215, T3 wrote:
In post 214, VFP wrote:
In post 213, T3 wrote:DGB: theory
Dwelee: no
peta: anyone who denies the theory is scum x10000
people: vote
I don't read it that Dwlee is scum for denying DGB's theory.
Can you point to where I'm wrong?
Dweleeis somehow scum for trying to wriggle out of a lim by fake claiming pr.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:04 am
by Andresvmb
Okay but, Titus also has a Claim. This isn’t the least bit consistent.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:10 am
by Andresvmb
You’re right though. I thought T3 had responded to DW for some reason, but they never did. I was talking about these posts from DW’s perspective:
In post 1827, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: T3
Okay I'll buy it
In post 1829, Dwlee99 wrote:I think anya, Kyo, and peta are town and so I don't think I see a single vote on scum in T3's ISO
In post 1830, Dwlee99 wrote:He did flip between rathe -> nom -> chaos within the span of 4 posts at one point so maybe he hit scum in there? I want to see more from him and he kinda came into the end of day one without acknowledging Nero was going to hammer once he voted.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:10 am
by VFP
I believe Anya's claim more than Titus's claim.
I cant remember if this game or not, but I think it was. There was mention about neibours having powers day 1.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:12 am
by Andresvmb
I don’t know why I imagined some sort of argument between them. I think I was thinking about it in this way because of how opposite some of the reads seems to be between Titus/DotW/DGB/T3 versus say Anya/peta/VFP/DW.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:12 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1996, VFP wrote:I believe Anya's claim more than Titus's claim.
I cant remember if this game or not, but I think it was. There was mention about neibours having powers day 1.
I mentioned rolecop neighbors in a game I played once.

Andre, given that there was no "fight" between T3 and I, do you still think at least one of us is evil?

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:13 am
by Andresvmb
Now of course that DW spotted an “Inno” from DotW on DGB, their approach has completely changed. That I think is fascinating.