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The Fonz wrote:

Nominate:

Jew C9 (New C9, but with no pigs. Or docs).

20 Players of whom:

4 scum
NK-immune SK

15 town, of whom:

0-2 trackers
0-1 Vig

0-1 Reporter
0-1 Watcher

0-1 Bodyguard
0-1 Jailkeeper
0-1 Super Saint

7-15 vanilla townies.

NIGHT START.

Note that the 'watcher' in this setup is what most of you would call a weak tracker, and the nightwatchman is what most people (imho, incorrectly) call a watcher.

Why up to 2 trackers and only 1 max of everything else?

Any mafia power roles?

PokerFace wrote: Why up to 2 trackers and only 1 max of everything else?

Any mafia power roles?

Because the original setup was 0-2 cops, and i think it's good to have at least one role where you can fakeclaim it and not immediately get counterclaimed if there's a real one. Also, because tracker is probably the most useful of those. I could see 0-2 nightwatchmen too, but the problem there is number of power roles total- the most there can possibly be in a new c9 is seven. There are up to eight there, adding more probably isn't a good idea.

No mafia power- don't need a GF since no cops, don't want the possibility of multiple roleblockers (which can happen with JK/scum RB) and don't need an NK-immune role. The town is somewhat weaker than in New C9 (no possibility of cop + doc, no confirmed masons) so you don't need scum power to balance it.

Needs more anti-meta.

15 town, each selected randomly and independently from this table:
1-2: tracker
3: vig
4: reporter
5: watcher
6: bodyguard
7: jailkeeper
8: super saint
9-30: vanilla townie

I have faith in the binomial distribution.

You might as well have written 'needs to be swingier!' there.

If I had time I'd graph the expected number of power roles in my formulation vs yours.

EDIT:

Which one is yours and which one is mine?




















Yours is on the left.

It's precisely the same, but your method produces greater variance (more than twice as likely to yield no power roles at all, though both are tiny probabilities). Mine CANNOT yield more than eight power roles.

Ed: hehe, simulpost. Also, since these roles are not perfect substitutes, the more likelihood of loads of the same increases the swing factor, since multiple watchers, for instance, are more useful than multiple bodyguards.

Could call it "unconventional" instead of "jew" since there are different roles

PokerFace wrote:

Well I'm willing to second either of those pending which more think is better. Fonz's or Xyl's

Could call it "unconventional" instead of "jew" since there are different roles

more racism from pokerface

EDIT: moved to the theme test market.

You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?

Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.

Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still

We should call it "Nothing at all like C9".

shaft.ed wrote:

Nominate Vengeful

PokerFace wrote:You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?

Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.

Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still

The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.

Korts wrote:

shaft.ed wrote:

Nominate Vengeful

second

I'd offer the various versions of up for review. The concept is that there are two power roles in play, randomly chosen from four possible roles (without duplication). It's been played two times in a cop/doc/rb/miller version (one with 9 players, one with 7), both with town wins, and two times in a cop/doc/rb/vanilla version (also one with 9 and one with 7), with one town (9p) and one mafia win. Is the setup too tilted towards town? Is it semi-breakable with a massclaim? Is the setup more balanced with 9 players? The one I played in (Prozac's game) was ultimately won for town by massclaim.

Here are the links:
Two of Four a9
Two of Four a7
Two of Four b7
Two of Four b9

Wall-E wrote:

PokerFace wrote:You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?

Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.

Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still

The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.

Or the comedian has a dense audience.

Or both.

Wall-E wrote:

PokerFace wrote:You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?

Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.

Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still

The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.

Joke was directed at Ythill and he got it. Jdodge was not its intended audiance and he didn't get it or explanation that well.

Others who the joke was not directed at, but did get it and or took it further satirically (shaft.ed, Korts)

Alduskkel wrote:

Wall-E wrote:

PokerFace wrote:You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?

Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.

Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still

The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.

Or the comedian has a dense audience.

Or both.

A good comedian plays TO his audience, not over their heads (or under, in the case of racism).

Wall-E wrote:

Alduskkel wrote:

Wall-E wrote:The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.

Or the comedian has a dense audience.

Or both.

A good comedian plays TO his audience, not over their heads (or under, in the case of racism).

These statements are normally true otherwise

1 PokerFace (must find and lynch Ythill)
3 Angry Townies (must find and lynch PokerFace)
1 Ythill (must survive)

PokerFace wrote:

Wall-E wrote:

PokerFace wrote:You still haven't gotten the joke yet have you jdodge? It was a satirical character rant that you took seriously. I never was pick pocketed by a gypsy. I act and make shit up all the time cause I find it amusing and I thought others would get a kick out of it. Ythill got it and figured I was joking, why didn't you?

Suppose I could have better played the performance by making an alt account separate from my own account where I could have done the rant, but meh. Sarcasm and satire fail on the net I guess.

Though I do think Unconventional is a better name for the setup than Jew still

The joke that needs to be explained was delivered by a poor comedian.

Joke was directed at Ythill and he got it. Jdodge was not its intended audiance and he didn't get it or explanation that well.

Others who the joke was not directed at, but did get it and or took it further satirically (shaft.ed, Korts,

xyl

)

Fixed*

nominate xylthixlm's unnamed game

<<Keeps getting simulposted all day

Wall-e also gets points for making it funier

Korts wrote:I'd offer the various versions of

Two of Four

up for review. The concept is that there are two power roles in play, randomly chosen from four possible roles (without duplication). It's been played two times in a cop/doc/rb/miller version (one with 9 players, one with 7), both with town wins, and two times in a cop/doc/rb/vanilla version (also one with 9 and one with 7), with one town (9p) and one mafia win. Is the setup too tilted towards town? Is it semi-breakable with a massclaim? Is the setup more balanced with 9 players? The one I played in (Prozac's game) was ultimately won for town by massclaim.

Here are the links:
Two of Four a9
Two of Four a7
Two of Four b7
Two of Four b9

I also ran a Two of Four a7 that ended in a scum win. I think the seven player set up is difficult for town, and nine is possibly difficult for scum.


2 scum
2 of cop/doc/rb/miller
5 townies