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AGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR

YOUR LYNCH AGAINST CHARTER WAS UNCALLED FOR WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN INFORMATION.

I WILL LYNCH YOU BECAUSE HINDSIGHT DSFAFSDFSS

who would want to kill empking…

also i think gamma is on to something

j/k ... somewhat...
I saw him as scummy day one, but the hammer wasn't overly scummy.
Charter was pretty much asking for it by the end.
I likely would have voted him eventually myself.

I really don' think we will be able to get much from the charter wagon. Hw looked so damn scummy…sigh. I can never read him.

This is my first game with him (I think), I'm still trying to figure out his playstyle.
He acted really scummy in my eyes. Maybe seeing if anyone would follow along
or not react? but then he didn't favour many people that didn't share his views...

Like Nightfall, this is my first game with charter. His attitude after being denied the nameclaim idea was what turned me away from him. Then, when he hits L-1 and fakeclaims a power role, I smelled more scum.

I'm still confused on how he played.

Are you serious Gamma? What are you hoping to gain from that?

BTW, I am not being replaced that was a mistake.

Alabaska J wrote:I really don' think we will be able to get much from the charter wagon. Hw looked so damn scummy…sigh. I can never read him.

was i drunk lol usually i never make spelling errors.

yeah well enough dwelling on charter; as I said earlier he always looks scummy to me

i dislike gamma's play and would very much like for him to either get serious or account for his actions

Sorry about the lack of activity. I'm having real trouble getting a handle on this game, mostly because of the mess that was the case on charter.

I still really dislike MegaTheory's "what do you mean by " question to charter. At the time it looked like he was trying to obsfucate things and draw attention to charter (which seems all the more relevant given charter's flip), however his lack of presence/response makes it difficult to comment further.

I'm going to re-read and see what stands out.

Braeden wrote:BTW, I am not being replaced that was a mistake.

Hi Kids. Im here now.

Im gonna read what I missed, but until then



I dont trust anyone yet.

Grimmy

Welcome, new guy.

Don Hertzfeldt =

Random Speculations from the quick read.

While gamma's playstyle right now deserves to be watched, im not 100% sure its scummy behavior.

I can think of one reason why he would do the self vote thing, but im a bit jaded because i have been in games with the ever insane Albert B. Rampage, so if this is the example you are following, gamma, just know that he usually gets lynched pretty early in the games, whether or not he is town.

Thoughts on possible roles in this game.
I tried to make a list of what roles could be assigned to certain properties in this game. I would also assume that this could be a breaker in the game if everyone name claimed.
Jail- this person would be a jailkeeper role
Free Parking - this would be our doctor
Go to Jail - our cop, or a tracker
Go- another possible doctor, or tracker, could also be the mafia GF,as it is the most well known spot in the game.
Community Chest- Doctor, watcher
Luxury tax - Personally, id say this one is scum because i always hated landing on this space.
Railroads - role blockers, busdrivers
Income Tax - another scummy space in the game
Utilities - also scum, because of the whole 10x the amount of the roll penalty
Chance- can be either scum or town, rb
Properties- Im guessing these are for vanilla townies.

Its also possible that the game peices, the bank, or even the dice could have been assigned roles. with this, the Bank would seem to be the most scummy role of them all, with the dice being a RB type of role, or a JOAT possiblity, with an ability assigned to a roll of the dice.

More another day
Grimmy

Here's a read on Alabaska J and Yawetag. Will also read up on a few others later. For now,

Also, in retrospect, Charter lynch was a little bit pushed.



Post 43 - Random (?) vote on gamma, reason that 'yawetag is obv noobtown'
Post 53 - Defends his vote by saying noobs don't play solely in noob games. This is where 43 starts to look scummy.
68 - Reluctant to vote Charter, agrees with Megatheory's analysis.
Post 75 - no words, just votes Charter.
Post 99 - Subtleties here. Says Charter's nameclaim involves too much Wifom, says Charter could be scum fishing for flavour. A stretch at best, imo. The amount of possible roles in this game are outlandishly large in comparison to the number of players, why would scum need to guess?
105 - "Jail might be a Jailer, but then what?", general speculation.
Post 114 - asks how nameclaiming might help.
Post 165 - Tells Charter he needs to learn how to read, nobody was talking about roleclaiming. False.
Post 178 - Says that not contributing is a bullshit reason to call someone scum (aimed at charter). Not the case at all.
Post 181 - minor 'just saying' type response at Charters response to his 178.
Post 184 - Supports pacman's request for Charter to roleclaim.
Post 201 - Wondering why scum would kill empking, votes gamma with legitimate reason.
Post 203 - Discourages reading the Charter wagon because Charter was so scummy.
Post 208 - Fixes spelling errors in 203, says gamma looks scummy.

Very minimal on content and keeps back, needs to post more. Also, needs to be looked at, though not too much harm in keeping around.




Post 9 - Questions a random 2-vote wagon on Breadon. Answer: Why not?
Post 14 - Asks for votecount, and against 3-vote wagon on Breadon. Again, why not?
Post 16 - More against random wagon on Breadon.
Post 25 - Votes Anticollie (R), reasoning is Anticollie is V/LA

The next set of posts will be quoted, an exchange between Yawetag and Charter from posts 26 to 31:

charter wrote:[@Yawetage 25] Is that a serious vote yawetag?

yawetag wrote:Are all of the other votes serious? Right now, it will stay. There's been absolutely no game play yet, and until I see something to change my mind, I won't move it. That said, I'm almost positive *something* will change my mind.

charter wrote:That doesn't answer my question. Was there serious backing to that vote or was it a joke?

charter wrote:Yes or no.

yawetag wrote:How about you answer MY question first (from post 9):

yawetag wrote:Wow. Why the bandwagon on Braeden?

It's amazing to me that you want a serious answer from me when none of you that bandwagoned Braeden answered mine.

Refusal to answer simply to a yes/no question. General stubbornness, meh. Far too serious at this point, imo.

Yawetag in 34 wrote:I love it. Voting me because I won't answer a question, yet it's okay for THREE people to bandwagon without any hint of an answer.

Because not answering simple questions/beating around the bush isn't nearly as scummy as a random three/seven vote wagon on the first page.

Post 36 - Finally answers question, no Post 25 was not a serious vote.
Post 45 - Votes gamma for gamma's post 37.
Post 52 - mod correction on votecount.
Post 59 - asks charter for reasons affecting his vote.
Post 61 - Clarifies on his 59.
Post 87 - Questions Charter's nameclaim idea.
Post 90 - Re-words the question.
Post 93 - Clarifies his question/statement.
Post 107 - Jumps nameclaim to roleclaim, and votes Charter for thinking the nameclaim was a good idea.
Post 109 - Response to Charter, defending his jump from namclaim to roleclaim. Inadequate, imo, and still uses roleclaim rather than nameclaim.
Post 111 - "Roleclaiming confuses general scumhunting, the kind of confusion scum would want". This came over as really scummy to me.
Post 113 - Restates confusion caused by a nameclaim.
Post 145 - Defends himself saying he was against roleclaim, and charter was for it making him scummy. Again confuses roleclaim for nameclaim.
Post 148 - Apologizes for using roleclaim rather than nameclaim, but then again seemed to be aware of this mistake ahead of time. Still uses same logic against Charter.
Post 166 - Gone for two days, and then promises to post in the next few days.
Post 169 - Three points here. One, he asks whether or not it was scummy for others to be against the nameclaim. My answer is that Yawetag is scummy because he persisted with it long after it was said and done.
Second, tries to say he's going to step back from clawing at Charter's throat. Slightly pro-town notion, imo. Thirdly, asks about Empking's Breaden vote, and then asks me and Charter about the random wagon.
Post 171 - clarifies understanding of Emp's vote, I guess.
Post 205 - unoriginal reasoning for going with the Charter lynch.

- Very scummy, should be a prime target of today.

Grimmy wrote: I tried to make a list of what roles could be assigned to certain properties in this game. I would also assume that this could be a breaker in the game if everyone name claimed.

Grimmy, are you proposing we name claim?
I'm getting deja vu here...

Jebus wrote:Post 43 - Random (?) vote on gamma, reason that 'yawetag is obv noobtown'
Post 53 - Defends his vote by saying noobs don't play solely in noob games. This is where 43 starts to look scummy.

what

also grimmy, the name thing does nothing to help the town. i refuse to turn this into "let's outguess the mod!"

and Jebus, I think you may be on to something with this Yawetog thing. Those things you quoted look pretty fishy. Still wanna hear from gamma first though.

Nightfall wrote:

Grimmy wrote: I tried to make a list of what roles could be assigned to certain properties in this game. I would also assume that this could be a breaker in the game if everyone name claimed.

Grimmy, are you proposing we name claim?
I'm getting deja vu here...

Quite the opposite.

I think that by nameclaiming, we will more than likely tip off the scum as to who, if any, our power roles are.

Alabaska J wrote:also grimmy, the name thing does nothing to help the town. i refuse to turn this into "let's outguess the mod!"

and Jebus, I think you may be on to something with this Yawetog thing. Those things you quoted look pretty fishy. Still wanna hear from gamma first though.

this whole game is about speculation. it support the "No Nameclaim" idea though, imho.

Grimmy
good points by jebus. Id like to see yawetog's reply before commenting further though.

Grimmy wrote:this whole game is about speculation. it support the "No Nameclaim" idea though, imho.

speculation and outguessing the mod are two very different things. good to now that you are on the same page in regards to nameclaiming though

Jebus in #215 wrote:Here's a read on Alabaska J and Yawetag. Will also read up on a few others later. For now,

Vote: Yawetag

yawetag

Refusal to answer simply to a yes/no question. General stubbornness, meh. Far too serious at this point, imo.

Because not answering simple questions/beating around the bush isn't nearly as scummy as a random three/seven vote wagon on the first page.

I'll (re)iterate why I didn't give my answer originally. I had previously asked charter (and the other two) why they bandwagoned on Braeden, and had received no answer. Why should I answer questions when mine have been ignored?

Maybe I haven't had enough experience here, but I fail to see how not answering a yes/no question is more scummy than a bandwagon without cause. I understand it's only 3 of 7, but we don't even know how many scum are in this setup. If we bandwagon someone to L-[# of scum], it's a good chance they'll be lynched fairly quickly.

Jebus in #215 wrote:Post 111 - "Roleclaiming confuses general scumhunting, the kind of confusion scum would want". This came over as really scummy to me.

Interesting.

Jebus in #215 wrote:Post 148 - Apologizes for using roleclaim rather than nameclaim, but then again seemed to be aware of this mistake ahead of time. Still uses same logic against Charter.

How did I seem aware of the mistake? I didn't mean to use the incorrect term, and corrected myself when I did.

yawetag wrote:Maybe I haven't had enough experience here, but I fail to see how not answering a yes/no question is more scummy than a bandwagon without cause.

Because the bandwagon was a random vote bandwagon. You were asked a simple yes/no question, sidestepped it a few times and didn't actually get around to answering it until someone voted you.

yawetag wrote:I understand it's only 3 of 7, but we don't even know how many scum are in this setup. If we bandwagon someone to L-[# of scum], it's a good chance they'll be lynched fairly quickly.

Except not, because then we'd have some pretty damned obvious scum (although the most likely scenario would be that at least 2-3 voters unvoting before anything could happen).

Spolium in 223 wrote:

yawetag wrote:Maybe I haven't had enough experience here, but I fail to see how not answering a yes/no question is more scummy than a bandwagon without cause.

Because the bandwagon was a random vote bandwagon.

I don't see how three people voting the same person is "random." Especially when 1) NONE of them even hinted it was, and 2) This was done within a few posts.

I see one possibility, yet neither claimed it: 1) Metagaming of some sort. They don't like Braeden and vote him "randomly" in every game they are in with him.

Spolium in 223 wrote:You were asked a simple yes/no question, sidestepped it a few times and didn't actually get around to answering it until someone voted you.

No. I answered it when my question was answered.

Spolium in 223 wrote:

yawetag wrote:I understand it's only 3 of 7, but we don't even know how many scum are in this setup. If we bandwagon someone to L-[# of scum], it's a good chance they'll be lynched fairly quickly.

Except not, because then we'd have some pretty damned obvious scum (although the most likely scenario would be that at least 2-3 voters unvoting before anything could happen).

Let's say there's 3 of them. We vote a couple votes on someone, one of the scum attaches on. We vote another vote, another scum attaches. Then a townie hammers. I hardly see how you can sniff out the scum in that setup.