Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[I Am Innocent]

RVS starts at 10:40pm and ends at 9:20 am the next day. I missed all the fun
I was about to post something useful but then I watch KaleiÐoscøpe's avatar for a while and forgot what.

If the town could win a mafia game half the time by lynching randomly every day, it would be no fun. Needless to say the numbers are going to be in favor of the mafia. Im a bit suprised it almost a 4:1 ratio to the scum, but it should be about that much. I dont see why we should even consider not lynching on day since otherwise we are reverting back to the 4:1 odds. That being said, thanks, though they didnt help much. (in reference to I am innocent's statistics).

Ben this was Mongoose's first official post of the game. (He had one other prior to the game officially starting)

Would you consider this filler posting Ben?

Also, please provide your top 3 suspects as soon as possible.

[jasonT1981]

My first vote was random. Now it is serious business. Why does it matter?
And no I am not seriously claiming day cop.

I have been thinknig this overnight.. If Nik was seriously down to business like he says he was... why would he have to fake claim a daycop to try and justify keeping his vote on me which was random at the start but now 'serious' business.

That doesnt add up.

[imkingdavid]

I am v/la for the next couple of days (major project due thrusday and family visiting this weekend) but should be able to post here and there.

[Nikanor]

His next post represents his vote on Jason as serious all along. Building a case but not actually asking Jason any questions. Doesn't look like real scum hunting, more taking advantage of a players scummish play style. He makes no elaboration on why Jason is “obv scum” and like I commented earlier, seemed to be piggy backing on Elmo's pressure.

I said why jason was scummy. If you wanted me to elaborate more, I did. I've been telling the rest of you why jason is scummy this whole fucking day, and none of you are even commenting on the points that I've been making.
As for the piggybacking, could it be that Elmo and I think alike? You know, like maybe in a game of thirteen townies and three mafiosi that two townies agree that one person is likely to be a mafioso.

This. Jason's stumbling is now providing some justification, but I fail to understand how jason's reaction is scummy, rather than just a reaction from someone who is busy and didn't read the setup. Just like Benmage who didn't know about the instaflips.

My vote has never been about jason's reaction. I said that in my last post. This just goes to show how much attention you are paying to what I am saying.
Why do you think that jason is town?

I have been thinknig this overnight.. If Nik was seriously down to business like he says he was... why would he have to fake claim a daycop to try and justify keeping his vote on me which was random at the start but now 'serious' business.

I had already given my reasons for why I think you're scum when I claimed day cop. Nice try, though.

jason isn't even trying to look town any more. Percy, why do you think jason is town?

[Sotty7]

Hrmm.

Still don't like IAI.

Don't agree with Percy and his harsh judgment on me. I think it has a lot to do with him and his love for RVS so I am willing to let it pass. The rest of his posting is good though.

I could move over to Red. Going to wait to see how he responds first though.

Can people tell me if this is normal with RedCoyote?

It's not. That's the problem.

[Benmage]

Hey Pecry, I wish I was scum so I didn't have to read every word. Is it nice skimming?
reCaught up only to pg 6

Do you know what else is a scum tell...voting for yourself.

unvote
vote I am innocent

To the rest of the town, sorry. I have never been lynched as a townie, nor lost a game as a townie. Somehow keeping me around may cost me another win...so I am bailing to rid us of this confusion. Keep an eye for those on my wagon, at least one scum there.

More AtE/guess what noone cares about your short term record.

Sotty nominated me for a scummy as best new player. Now she wants me off. Watch her, def scum possibility. Townie Sotty would know how much I could help the team out...

News flash. If you win in the special Olympics....you're still special. And your play warrants a lynch, or a replacement. Go back to the newbie games please.

Or even better, actually make a case on someone who's scum, and vote for that person in order to get

that other player

lynched. How the hell are you saving the town from a mislynch by ENSURING YOU GET LYNCHED MORE QUICKLY? You're just cutting discussion short, giving fewer people a chance to take stands, and letting scum keep their hands clean.

But probably replace out, because now people will all go, "Oh my God, he's APPEALING TO EMOTION," and hop on your wagon.

Oh my God. I hate irritating "self-sacrificing" Vanilla Townies who think they're being

soooo

selfless by handing the scum a free mislynch on a silver platter.

All of this.

Now vote me out.

ALL OF YOU!

Scum surely ain't gonna touch this now

...

Stating the last part ruins any potential truth to it....please go back to the newbie section.

you know, this stat talk is really getting away from the actual objective of finding and lynching scum. I would suspect scum would be happy to drag discussion away from scum hunting in anyway possible maybe even perhaps lead the discussion away.....

I agree with this post. I think the people who lead discussion away from lynching tend to be scum, and the stats didn't help this. However, I am innocent does list his suspicions and they seem to be decent so for now I think he is town.

So it looks like in this statement of yours you agree with my point against IAI that his stat post was filler. Whether he redeemed himself with listing suspicions as well is an entirly different thing.

On the other hand, Benmage's posts dont help much at all.

He suggests 1 lynch every day,

Inaccuracy #1. I never said 1 lynch everyday. I said for the first day only we utilize 1 lynch.

He starts a case on Innocent which is rather pointless stating that posting facts is scummy, which isnt true because hes been posting content along with it.

1. facts were filler, hence scummy
2. content doesn't nullify my initial point.

I think he is the scmmiest player so far, though even then I think its not much of a case and isn't too strong. I have pretty bad feeling about him too.

vote benmage

Explain this last sentence because I am lost.

1. You think I am the scummiest thus far?
2. You don't think the case on me is very strong?
3. You have a bad feeling about me?
^All correct?

In other news, I don't have much to bring to the plate offensively at the moment. Elmo, Percy, Sotty, Oso... all making valid points and good posts. benmage is a little sloppy but, like IAI, I don't really see anything sinister about him.

?
Pecy’s 1 post of content is all good?

Oh! And something I wanted to ask Percy about:

(Also, Benmage said he forgot that the flips weren't instantaneous, but it sure looks to me like he read the OP and didn't read the Rules post.)

So what do you think the scum motivation of this would be?

It's a lie. Scum lie. Scum lie to make themselves sound better. But sometimes people lie to make themselves sound better, even when they're not scum, because they want to cover for their mistakes. Maybe it's not a lie, maybe he genuinely read the rules post and the OP and still didn't get the instantaneous flips thing, and then proceeded to forget about it and kick up a big fuss.
But I think it's a lie, and it's worth noting.

Interesting....I read what was in the sign-up thread. And didn't re-read what was in this thread. Some time passed, and the detail of instant flips slipped my mind. My last game with multiple lynches waited to the end of the day for flips. Although you honestly believing it a lie...is something i'll note.

Benmage, as town, should've either recognized that or went in a different direction with his accusations. There's no reason to continue to press on a point like that unless you're just hard up to get into a shouting match.

***********Really? I wouldn't jump to conclusions about how effective my actions may or may not be? Does anyone at this point not think IAI is a huge, wasted slot,

TOWN

-noob?

[Benmage]

Anyway, just did an ISO of Benmage. His first few posts are about as obvscum as you can get. First, he complains about not being scum (yeah... right...). Then he says we should not use one of our lynches, which is a terrible idea, and then he immediately changes his mind when someone calls him on it, as if he didn't know.

It was null. It was filler. Therefore it was scummy and not helpful for the town.

Null =/= scummy. Null = null.
VOTE: Benmage

This is as "obvscum" as you can get.
Point 1. WIFOM. Done.
2. A damn good thing had we not had instant flips which I had forgotten about. Why would I make such a blatant misstatement?
3. Null posting doesn't benefit the town. Therefore on the premise that if it aint benefiting the town, it's hurting the town. So if it hurts the town, it is scummy.

Wow...phenomenal vote there chief. (massive sarcasm)

oh. i didnt know there were only townies and mafia.
i feel like an idiot.
im glad you told me that.

Hey Percy, lookie lookie.

unvote
vote: Nik

flat out lie. He is not a day cop.. If he was, he would know my proper role and not that I am mafia.

ok, i see above he is lying.... Im happy with my vote.

A claim like that could have outted a real cop.

you say your vote aint random and its down to business... with a fake cop claim? if its serious... present your case and defend your lies, scum!

Ohhhhh Percyyyyy???????

my vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla...

Perc

Pg 6 down.

[jasonT1981]

my vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla...

Perc.

Yea, nice try trying to make me look bad there... the way you quoted that it looks like I am saying my vote was based on realizing it was all Vanilla... that was not... if your gonna quote me to make me look like scum at lease quote it right. the realizing this is all vanilla part was in reference to the bit you continently left out which made it obivious what I was saying...

I realize that now, I am in a few games atm as well as modding and it didnt registered at the time of post that it was all vanilla setup with 3 goons, m

y vote was based on your rolecop claim, claiming me as scum.

. at the time I thought you were being serious and I had not realized it was all vanilla. I knew you were wrong with your claim that I am scum and voted you thinking it was a flat out scum lie. I actually thought you were seriously claiming rolecop with a guilty on me and knew (at the time) you were lying about it)

m

y vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla... I will go back to my previous vote

unvote
vote:Elmo

you left out a key part to make me look bad there. Nice try

unvote
vote: Benmage

[Benmage]

my vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla...

Perc.

Yea, nice try trying to make me look bad there... the way you quoted that it looks like I am saying my vote was based on realizing it was all Vanilla... that was not... if your gonna quote me to make me look like scum at lease quote it right. the realizing this is all vanilla part was in reference to the bit you continently left out which made it obivious what I was saying...

I realize that now, I am in a few games atm as well as modding and it didnt registered at the time of post that it was all vanilla setup with 3 goons, m

y vote was based on your rolecop claim, claiming me as scum.

. at the time I thought you were being serious and I had not realized it was all vanilla. I knew you were wrong with your claim that I am scum and voted you thinking it was a flat out scum lie. I actually thought you were seriously claiming rolecop with a guilty on me and knew (at the time) you were lying about it)

m

y vote was based on that, realizing the game is all vanilla... I will go back to my previous vote

unvote
vote:Elmo

you left out a key part to make me look bad there. Nice try

unvote
vote: Benmage

No dumbass. I quote it to show that you misread the game, Or basically that you forgot about a key element of the game. Notice how I continuously call it to Percy's attention. Because he called out my forgetfulness as a lie. Which it clearly wasn't. Despite you somehow forgetting this game to be mountainous isn't even my point.

But thank you very much come again.

[jasonT1981]

oh crap.. sorry.

unvote

I took that as a case against me somehow.

[Nikanor]

jason, who do you think is scum, and why aren't you trying to get him lynched?

[Oso]

..

I'd say yes if I hadn't played mafia with Nik before. I would have mentioned it (with or without a vote, probably without) but in this case, with the interaction between Nik, David and Jason. I say this instead.

But I actually was a cop in yabbaguy's game. >_>
..

Yes you were. I was referring to the off the wall stuff. It was your offering to help lynch JacobSavage's suspect if he helped with yours first that was the turning point to exposing Jacob as the Serial Killer. The only thing in that game that was more bizarre than your making that offer was him accepting it.

@Furcolow. I ISO'd you and despite all the things I can see wrong in those posts, there is one thing I see that is right. This:

..
c. consider that i thought there might be roleblockers and medics and shit... i'm obviously a townie.
..

I won't go so far as to say obvious town but yeah. In the type of thinking that goes on in my world, one person misses a lot of things that three people wouldn't. In this case I would guess the mountainous set-up was discussed at least in passing, so that pretty much lets out a connection to anyone. I'll throw you into the pile of players that I don't want to lynch here in Phase 1 and I guess by using that reasoning, Jason and ImKingDavid are in that pile as well. Jason was already there and hadn't thought to much on IKD.

Dry-fit is the only definite player I'd like to see lynched, I'm slacking in this game more than I thought. I will come up with two others within the next day with cases or a reason why I couldn't. (<-Game reason there. I hope its not necessary to have to continue to plead real life for lack of activity.)

[Furcolow]

I thought I made a post from my girlfriend's phone, but I guess it didn't work.
suspicious of:
benmage
dry-fit

leaning scummy:
elmo
i am innocent


town-reads:
percy
oso
myself

[Furcolow]

fuck, i read a post from her phone i thought was benmage... maybe it wasn't. i'm going to read back a few pages.

[Furcolow]

i believe i read imkingdavid's quote in benmage's post as something benmage posted himself
i am going to FoS imkingdavid here, and remove benmage to neutral or leaning on my list

[Nikanor]

Yes you were. I was referring to the off the wall stuff. It was your offering to help lynch JacobSavage's suspect if he helped with yours first that was the turning point to exposing Jacob as the Serial Killer. The only thing in that game that was more bizarre than your making that offer was him accepting it.

Man, that was a fun game.
Sotty, stop ignoring me. I posted right before you did, so don't tell me you didn't see it.

[Furcolow]

pretty sure you're barking up the wrong tree, nikanor
i have slight town reads on both of you

[RedCoyote]

Sotty said, let's try something else. Could have been a message to me, could have been a message to a partner on the wagon with her.

The first time I read this I kind of discounted that, but it is a bit of a weird transition from you to Nikanor. Eh, it's still a bit of a stretch though. Hold onto this to look back at it in D3 or D4.

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I see your follow up to Jason in post 169 but you should know that being defensive isn't a scum tell.... So what?

Let me put it this way. jason was being voted by just Nikanor at that point if I remember correctly. That would mean he was at, what, L-7? The game just started. Even if he didn't think the setup was Mountainous, why did he feel compelled to immediately vote him in response? Why did he skip my post? Why the "you are lying!", then, "oh, I see now you are lying". It doesn't sound right. There's too much going on here to sound real.

The fact you threw in a dig on a player who you later state is probably a townie doesn't make you look good. I stated that I felt your direct question to benmage was more than a little bitter sounding

Wait, IAI said you were townie? Do you have this post? I don't remember this.

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Dry-Fit is a good lynch. I wouldn't mind us quicklynching him.

You're very difficult to follow. So you think both Oso and Dry-fit are scummy, correct?

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Cause I'm a day cop.

Heh.

I actually like you IAI. I think Sotty is being too harsh on you for what I see as a fairly common argument between you and Benmage (although it's a little shorter than normal perhaps). Two townies go crazy on each other but eventually back off with both of them conceding that the other is likely town.

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Can people tell me if this is normal with RedCoyote?

Of course.

No, I meant "can't keep track of other's posts." I meant "can't keep track of your own posts." Because I think it's ridiculous that you voted Nikanor for not commenting on a mistake you yourself made.

Well, the whole reason I voted Sotty to begin with was because I missed IAI's post, not my own. I see what you're getting at though, you're talking about my Nikanor vote. There's not much to say that I didn't already say. If you don't buy that explanation you just quoted here, then you don't buy it. I don't think it's as simple as a "generic 'stop posting fluff'" vote. It was a little tongue in cheek too, you realize.

You're hanging this vote around my neck pretty hard. I mean, I'm not arguing that I had some sort of major beef with Nikanor or anything. It was just an early D1 vote. I don't know what more you want from that.

...But wait a minute. Why did you ask me this question? Because you didn't agree with my Furcolow read, or because of something else? (There is a very specific reason I'm asking this.)

Because I don't particularly care for Furcolow's posts either. The post you quoted was a good example, and it's what turned me off initially as well.

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Jason thought (or so he says) there was a day cop claiming a guilty on him. I'd be defensive and react strongly too...

Then we clearly have different approaches to the game. Since your side is seemingly winning out, it's probably good that your reaction is in line with the majority.

This is odd. If he really was a say cop and got a guilty, then of course he should claim. That's a cop's job.

Huh? On D1? That early in the game? With no clear lynch candidate? A Cop isn't intended to be a 1-to-1 cancel out of a scum role in any mafia game I've ever played, but certainly not in a game this size.

Jason's stumbling is now providing some justification, but I fail to understand how jason's reaction is scummy, rather than just a reaction from someone who is busy and didn't read the setup. Just like Benmage who didn't know about the instaflips.

Look at the situation again:

Cliffnotes version

Nik: I'm a cop; jason is maf.
RC: Be serious.
king: Why did you claim?
Fur: wtf?
Nik: No, of course I'm not cop.
jason: LIE! He's not a daycop or he would know my role... vote: nikanor
jason: Okay, he admits to lying but I am still going to vote him because that was reckless! You don't even have a case against me! Why did you fake a claim, scum?
Elmo: ...didn't you already know he was lying?
jason: ...uh, yeah, but he admited to it. That's all I was saying.
Nik: Yeah, I do have a case.
jason: Oh... maybe you do have a case but it's not much of one! Also we know you lied about your role... but I didn't know it was all vanilla. I knew you were wrong with your claim though, that's why I was voting. Oh well, nothing to see here, back to Elmo.
Elmo: jason, do you see how your language was awkward?
jason: Yes, but I knew he was lying the whole time... other people said they didn't.

If jason would've just said that Nikanor's not a Cop or that he's lying and then voted him, that would've been understandable. The problem is him trying to clarify his statements after the fact with stuff like, "Okay he admits to lying but he doesn't even have a case!" All Nikanor had talked about up to that point had been why he was voting jason. He has to clarify his language three different times. In my opinion, a townie would've said something like, "Whoops. Good catch, Nikanor. I missed that this setup was all vanilla."

On a similar note, I notice mongoose completely ignored Nikanor's claim. mongoose later admitted that he "didn't know the setup", so,

mongoose

, did you miss Nikanor's claim?

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I have been thinknig this overnight.. If Nik was seriously down to business like he says he was... why would he have to fake claim a daycop to try and justify keeping his vote on me which was random at the start but now 'serious' business.

You do realize he was probably joking before you freaked out?

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It's not. That's the problem.

I'm just being lovable ol' me. I can't help it that Mina can't get me off her mind. It's a curse.

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Pecy’s 1 post of content is all good?

It was, what's the problem?

Does anyone at this point not think IAI is a huge, wasted slot,

TOWN

-noob?

Yeah, I don't think that. I think he's an okay guy. I think you're the one who's wasting time tunnelling on a slot you supposedly see as town.

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town-reads:
percy
oso
myself

I thought you told Percy I was one of your town reads. You seem to be all over the place, Furcolow.

[I Am Innocent]

Iso'd everyone and found the following

I also see no reason to not use at least 70% of the day on the first lynch
we should definitely be looking to set up chainlynches through who defended who and who attacked who relating to flips

First sentence, agree with
Second sentence, disagree with

Dang double negatives...100% disagree with the first sentence. As a matter of fact, with the deadline two weeks from today, we need to get a move on.

Since both people on my wagon agree that I am town, I'll move my vote finally.

unvote IAI
vote Furcolow

This post where he is buddying up to Percy right after percy listed everyone from scummy to town first caught my attention.

I can get behind percy this game. His post feels really protown. I am another person who really likes the RVS. I disagree with his putting I Am Innocent in townreads, but not everyone is perfect.

Also, percy, why do you have 4 scumreads? There are 3 scum this game, not 4.
I want to vote with you, but I do not feel comfortable voting RedCoyote. I have read him as town.
I also don't like mongoose, even if I believe he is probably town, because he is voting me.

You have Dry-Fit in your scumreads, Percy, would you consider joining me on that wagon?

BTW, when does pretty sure = slight?

pretty sure you're barking up the wrong tree, nikanor
i have slight town reads on both of you

And then there is the guilt by association:

Look at these two posts from Oso, his last two of the game only 2 days apart:

...Like my vote where it is at so it stays there on Dry-fit for now.

...As much as it pains me to admit though. Dry-Fit does have a point about Furcolow but since Dry-fit dropped me so quickly in favor of an easier target, I'll stay with him.

I'm liking a Dry-fit/Furcolow pairing for 2/3rds of the scum team.
Basically FOS a scumbuddy:

..
Furculow's posts up to this point have been terrible. He asks people to tell him which wagon is best, jumps on one of the biggest wagons, and then suggests we name all the scum and set up chain lynches...

...@Furcolow. I ISO'd you and despite all the things I can see wrong in those posts, there is one thing I see that is right. This:

..
c. consider that i thought there might be roleblockers and medics and shit... i'm obviously a townie.
..

I won't go so far as to say obvious town but yeah. In the type of thinking that goes on in my world, one person misses a lot of things that three people wouldn't. In this case I would guess the mountainous set-up was discussed at least in passing, so that pretty much lets out a connection to anyone. I'll throw you into the pile of players that I don't want to lynch here in Phase 1 and I guess by using that reasoning, Jason and ImKingDavid are in that pile as well. Jason was already there and hadn't thought to much on IKD.

Dry-fit is the only definite player I'd like to see lynched, I'm slacking in this game more than I thought. I will come up with two others within the next day with cases or a reason why I couldn't. (<-Game reason there. I hope its not necessary to have to continue to plead real life for lack of activity.)

Went from 2/3 of the scum team to only Dry-Fit.

I thought the whole Dry-Fit argument was based on his FOS'ing a scumbuddy

.

If anyone wants to get an OSO wagon going, I'd be all for that too!!!

@ Kaleidoscope, please provide a 3rd suspect.

@ IKD, Locke, JasonT, and Mina, I'd like to know who your top 3 suspects are as well.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

No. Redcoyote and Dry-Fit are the people I want to see lynch. idc about the others

[Zachrulez]

Vote Count #8 of D1 P1

Redcoyote - 4 (KaleiÐoscøpe, Mina, Percy, Elmo)
Dry-fit - 3 (Oso, Furcolow, Locke Lamora)
Jasont1981 - 3 (Nikanor, RedCoyote, Dry-fit)
Furcolow - 2 (Mongoose, I Am Innocent)
I Am Innocent - 1 (Benmage)
Nikanor - 1 (Sotty7)
Benmage - 1 (Imkingdavid)

Not Voting: (JasonT1981)

If I made any mistakes, please politely point them out and I will correct them.

Deadline for (Both phases of) Day 1 is Thursday November 12 at 12pm CST

With 16 alive it's 9 to lynch.

[Sotty7]

Sotty, stop ignoring me. I posted right before you did, so don't tell me you didn't see it.

Don't worry Nik I'm not ignoring you I'm just not believing your explanations. Your vote on Jason is easy and pretty weak considering the situation and I don't feel inclined to move my vote off you because of it.

I see your follow up to Jason in post 169 but you should know that being defensive isn't a scum tell.... So what?

Let me put it this way. jason was being voted by just Nikanor at that point if I remember correctly. That would mean he was at, what, L-7? The game just started. Even if he didn't think the setup was Mountainous, why did he feel compelled to immediately vote him in response? Why did he skip my post? Why the "you are lying!", then, "oh, I see now you are lying". It doesn't sound right. There's too much going on here to sound real.

What would you expect him to do then for it to seem real?

The fact you threw in a dig on a player who you later state is probably a townie doesn't make you look good. I stated that I felt your direct question to benmage was more than a little bitter sounding

Wait, IAI said you were townie? Do you have this post? I don't remember this.

Either I wasn't very clear or your misreading. I was talking to IAI about benmage.

IAI said benmage made scummy plans
I said “why don't you vote him then”
IAI calls ben a townie.

In that order.

What happened to the Nikanor wagon?

[Oso]

..

...@Furcolow. I ISO'd you and despite all the things I can see wrong in those posts, there is one thing I see that is right. This:

..
c. consider that i thought there might be roleblockers and medics and shit... i'm obviously a townie.
..

I won't go so far as to say obvious town but yeah. In the type of thinking that goes on in my world, one person misses a lot of things that three people wouldn't. In this case I would guess the mountainous set-up was discussed at least in passing, so that pretty much lets out a connection to anyone. I'll throw you into the pile of players that I don't want to lynch here in Phase 1 and I guess by using that reasoning, Jason and ImKingDavid are in that pile as well. Jason was already there and hadn't thought to much on IKD.

Dry-fit is the only definite player I'd like to see lynched, I'm slacking in this game more than I thought. I will come up with two others within the next day with cases or a reason why I couldn't. (<-Game reason there. I hope its not necessary to have to continue to plead real life for lack of activity.)

Went from 2/3 of the scum team to only Dry-Fit.

I thought the whole Dry-Fit argument was based on his FOS'ing a scumbuddy

.
..

Was going to put this in my main post but IaI is pissing me off enough that I'ma do it now.

Couple of thing I'll point out. This post. Paraphrased, from the Dry-fit quote on down, it goes into why I think that Dry-fit is person most likely to be scum who is voting me. Of the two others, Elmo and you, I state that Elmo's vote strikes me as legitimate (as in I think he made it for town reasons) and, even though I didn't come right out and say it, that yours was null because that seems to be just about the time your meltdown started.

This post:

..
Like my vote where it is at so it stays there on Dry-fit for now.
[snip....snip]
As much as it pains me to admit though. Dry-Fit does have a point about Furcolow

but since Dry-fit dropped me so quickly in favor of an easier target, I'll stay with him.

..

Your timeline is wrong there, Skippy. My vote and reasons to vote and then maintain my Dry-fit vote had very little to do with Furcolow. It was the other way around as I didn't have any major twitches about Fur until Dry-fit's casting of suspicion. Dry-fit's actions, at least in my opinion, stand alone as reason enough to vote/lynch him and need no connection to any other player at all.

I had ran across enough of a reason to think Furc may not be scum, invalidating my knee-jerk read of a connection between the them.

Read before you post please.

[I Am Innocent]

Read before you post please.

Oh, I always do. Want to know what I found, how about this:

I had ran across enough of a reason to think Furc may not be scum, invalidating my knee-jerk read of a connection between the them.

Your last post and the one below, the previous post...

....@Furcolow. I ISO'd you and despite all the things I can see wrong in those posts, there is one thing I see that is right. This:

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c. consider that i thought there might be roleblockers and medics and shit... i'm obviously a townie.
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I won't go so far as to say obvious town but yeah. In the type of thinking that goes on in my world, one person misses a lot of things that three people wouldn't. In this case I would guess the mountainous set-up was discussed at least in passing, so that pretty much lets out a connection to anyone. I'll throw you into the pile of players that I don't want to lynch here in Phase 1 and I guess by using that reasoning, Jason and ImKingDavid are in that pile as well. Jason was already there and hadn't thought to much on IKD.

Dry-fit is the only definite player I'd like to see lynched, I'm slacking in this game more than I thought. I will come up with two others within the next day with cases or a reason why I couldn't. (<-Game reason there. I hope its not necessary to have to continue to plead real life for lack of activity.)

Let me repeat what you said: ""]..."@Furcolow. I ISO'd you and despite all the things I can see wrong in those posts, there is one thing I see that is right."

So you only found one thing right about him, and many things wrong about him. But yet you in your last post said...(wait for it...) "I had ran across enough of a reason to think Furc may not be scum".

That my friends is a scummy contradiction right there. And though my guess is I am just unvoting one mafia to vote another, heck I'm gonna do it anyway.

unvote furcalow
vote Oso

PS - Be careful next time on who it actually is that you ask to "Read before you post please".

[Locke Lamora]

Jason just comes across to me as a bit clueless and lost. His votes and accusations thus far seem like someone who hasn't got a handle on the game at all.

My top three right now: Dry-fit, Nikanor and...I'd say Benmage, but that's largely gut. Need to reread RC to see if I'm missing something as I haven't really been convinced by the arguments against him thus far.