Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[danakillsu]

Sorry for lurking. For some reason, my mind is blown every time I look at this game. Why does lelouch seem so much like scum giving up if he's really town?

[danakillsu]

LVB is so town VI noob it isn't funny. Considering I spent a large amount of time playing a SE to help try and improve my play I know how to read VIs. I've only ever had a wrong read on a VI once.

Unvote, Vote: esurio

Stop tunnelling town and actually bother to reassess reads after the first couple of pages. There is NO pro town motivation in tunnelling this early in a game. Also what is with the firing off of snide comments on how scummy people are. If you think someone is scummy enough to point it out in the thread don't slip it in as a side note in an attempt to brush off votes on you. Actually make a case instead.

@ nameclaim: Common thing in themed games, figured I'd propose it.

@ My DBE vote. OMG he bandwagoned on page 3. Lynch him.

This is just a terribad post. First off, if you've been wrong before about VIs, then you could be wrong again. Your track record is based on your word only, and considering as well the possibility that you're his scumpal, you're not too believable.
Then you go on to vote a player for bringing up genuine evidence on another player (aka scumhunting) and not attacking all the players equally (aka communism). "Tunneling" on a player who doesn't do well under pressure as scum is an immensely pro-town move, and that is what we appear to have here. Even taking for granted that esurio is playing this game badly, why does that make esurio scum?

[Espeonage]

Maybe because he doesn't seem like scum giving up. he looks like a townie that tried and got in way over their head. Tell me, since when has a scum VI ever tried to be helpful to town? That's the first question you should be asking.

In addition if there is a vig, and there probably is, LVB is a textbook vig kill target anyway.

P edit: New post in a sec.

[Lelouch VI Britannia]

LVB is so town VI noob it isn't funny. Considering I spent a large amount of time playing a SE to help try and improve my play I know how to read VIs. I've only ever had a wrong read on a VI once.

Unvote, Vote: esurio

Stop tunnelling town and actually bother to reassess reads after the first couple of pages. There is NO pro town motivation in tunnelling this early in a game. Also what is with the firing off of snide comments on how scummy people are. If you think someone is scummy enough to point it out in the thread don't slip it in as a side note in an attempt to brush off votes on you. Actually make a case instead.

@ nameclaim: Common thing in themed games, figured I'd propose it.

@ My DBE vote. OMG he bandwagoned on page 3. Lynch him.

I dont wanna be an ass but compare the large text... bandwagoning when you just said to kill someone for bandwagoning... I understand your reasoning its just really lol kinda ironic...

[Lelouch VI Britannia]

Oh and you guys can call me Lulu unless your scum then you gotta use my full name...

[Espeonage]

It makes esurio scum because there isn't really any other explaination for someone to try and get someone who is obviously town lynched that hard this early. And Tunnelling on a town vi is the most common scum tactic early game because it is the easiest mis-lynch to get. Esurio is exhibiting the exact kind of play I would expect from scum given the current scenario.

PEDIT: @ LVB: It was me being sarcastic at the people attacking me for page 3 bandwagoning.

[Lelouch VI Britannia]

OH sorry.

[RedCoyote]

Don't like RedCoyote's post. If it's apparent you're gonna change your opinion on Lelouch at the end of the post why leave all the bits reading Lelouch as town and questioning people on their scum read on Lelouch in it? Reads like overjustification for your turnaround at the end of the post.

You must be mistaken, I never made a comment that implied I read Lelouch as town. I actually went out of my way to underscore the fact that he was

un

readable, and should thus be ignored as best as possible. esurio, however, brought up a really strong point that simply cannot be ignored. This is worth expanding on, especially on the first day. It only sweetens the deal that we won't have to deal with him after this.

[crazypianist1116]

@Mod: A round of prods and votecount?

[jmj3000]

The program I use for votecounts is borked right now, but I will get you one. Prod checking now.

[thil13]

Every time I log on I just feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts this gets, and I just feel like it would be folly to try and glean something from all of them in a couple hours. Though I think Lulu's explosive attitude isn't helping his case (I personally don't like his choice of words) I feel like he is just frustrated town. I don't particularly care what specific role, any town is worth keeping alive. I don't really have much that I can decipher from anyone else, but I'm working on it...

[The Master Hand]

DTMASTER
I'm playing "null"?
Oh please. DGB and I orchestrated the whole thing to attempt to become badass Vigs and save the day, yadda ya. /jk

Oh I believe Lelouch was opportunistic. Quick and easy way t get on a nice big wagon (us) and not draw flack; in the heat of the moment.
esurio is also female, DTM.

Ok, I'm going to tell the truth here, so bear with me.
I don't like Lelouch. I can't tell if he's trolling, has the brain the size of a pea, or is just trying to be spam-tastic and annoying as fuck.
Whatever it is, its working.
The vote on us? Opportunistic.

The continued douchebaggery and "oh i command them scum to suicide".
OH YEAH. GOOD ONE.

#68 by Lelouch is shit. We could all sit here and list Nintendo characters and why they should be in the game and what roles they should have. OH YEAH GUESS THAT. MY CHARACTER ISNT ON YOUR FUCKING LIST BRITANNICA.

DAT'S RIGHT.
SSBMafia makes its first allude. <3

REALLY. You played the n00b card. That's a GREAT defense bro. Use it all the time.
NOT. That's a bullshit defense and doesn't mean anything other than you can't defend your actions in a pro-town method without some sort of justification- here appealing to the n00b mentality that any mistake can be "oh lulz imma newb without a brain herp derp".

YEAH.
NOT BUYING IT.

This was me. Talking to Lelouch. Because its fucking annoying. Do any new players actually have BRAINS? Because only the bad players are well known; the idiots and the trolls; not to mention the cheaters...

His OMGUS in #77 and #78 is laughable. Not even mentioning me before then, and after we call him out he goes "TMH VIGPLZ NAO". MMHMM Not to mention half his crap is unreadable to begin with. You act like a retarded newb because you are one; don't delude yourself with grandeur; you're only more of a VI for pretending you're something good.

HEY TOAST.
LEWARCHER LIKES ME BETTER THAN YOU.

Yes. Lelouch rolename fished. And I'm willing to bet he'll claim anything to stay alive, like some "really good player" would do (translation: bleeding-heart VI).
I was ranting at Lelouch.

No to mass nameclaim.

I'm THE BAKER because I breadcrumb like a Baker. See my wiki for more details.

Yes, Tragedy. Yes you can tell. STFU and die idiot.

#96 is horribad. Please come back after you take ESL.

Waiting for lelouch to talk sense is as likely as shotty to become a ListMod.

Page 5 already? Why isn't Master Hand hammered yet?

Say what? O_O
You want me dead? Is this a joke or a legit scumread? Because you revote to mb53 and I'm confused. :S

Now.
Espeonage, why you gotta be so naturally scummy?

#125 is headdesk. His massive OMGUS on esurio is shit too.

He claimed Vanilla? FFFFF

#150 Lelouch_Kettle is calling mb53_Pot black.

Saw what, Dekes? Just tell us for those of us who are too busy/lazy to do ISO work for ourselves.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

Honestly I feel like limiting them to Opens/Newbie games was better. Weeds out the idiots from playing these games until they know ANYTHING about mafia.

I like #166. Maybe its because I want Lelouch dead regardless of 166, but 166 is a nice find, and I'd definitely be down to test it on D1. (Spoiler: I really want Lelouch dead. Seeing his douchbaggery and idiocy every time I try to read drains the willpower like mad. I'm no Green Lantern; I don't have infinite willpower.)

Thank you for your permission, Lelouch. Please self-vote, log out of your account, and never visit this site again.

Tragedy still needs to die a horrid, horrid death.

Sorry for lurking. For some reason, my mind is blown every time I look at this game. Why does lelouch seem so much like scum giving up if he's really town?

I apologize if this is somewhat weak. My willpower is drained from the idiocy literally spewing from assface over there and every time Toast and I talk about the game it devolves into "fucking lelouch needs to fucking die".

Questions/comments/concerns?

-The Baker

[esuriospiritus]

@Espeonage (and others calling 'Lulu' town):

He made a post about quicktopics right around during pre-game, and

then

he (in all probability) lied about receiving his role PM "10 minutes before the game started" and pulled a bunch of AtE/raging in order to try to get out of being incriminated, and you're calling him town? Since when does blatantly lying/AtE make someone town?

Not to mention, his 'scumhunting' is more like going along with what other people are saying. In his iso 26 he calls Tragedy "maybe a doc" and says he has a town read on him, but then in iso 33 he says "I would really like to jump on Tragedy", which to my VI-translator reads as "I think Tragedy is scum". What changed to make him have such a drastic change of opinion? In short, Tragedy started gaining a lot of negative attention right around the time Lelouch suddenly got a whole lot of votes on him. Him changing his stance on Tragedy is obviously a scummy attempt to save himself, nothing more.

In other news, I've been doing some iso-reading of other players but I'm keeping my thoughts to myself until I'm done looking at everyone.

[lewarcher82]

so, conference going on tomorrow and I have a lot of work to do, but as promised I jump in and make a quick post. I have said all I need to say about Lelouch. I think he is scum VI. Why scum? Because he lies. For instance about Tragedy: he denied ever saying she was a doc. I called him out on that. He answered he has changed his mind, cuz Tragedy has apparently done something horrible that made him change his mind. What? No idea. Mistery. Not a word. My read: noobish attempt at distancing, probably suggested by his scumbuddies, since they apparently have daytalk. Moreover, his activity tended to decrease after his "Fuck you all lynch me" post, and this is a scum-tell to me. A frustrated town VI would fight like a stupid lion cornered in this situation.

But this is old stuff. One new thing I wish to add, tho. He is stalling close to a lynch. This probably happens because some scumbuddies bussed him, and some didn't. The ones who didn't know that voting him now would be scummy.

This is my read of the current situation. I cannot do much more right now. But I would like to know where is ODM (seriously, open his ISO and tell me if you find content). And above all I want to know what is tragedy doing: she asks questions that barely qualify as filler - actually the same question to several players: "why r you voting Lelouch?" - and she seems to refuse doing anything more than this.

mod: try this: start>run>notepad, copypaste your last votecount and update it manually reading the thread worked for me as a mod

[mb53]

Every time I log on I just feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts this gets, and I just feel like it would be folly to try and glean something from all of them in a couple hours. Though I think Lulu's explosive attitude isn't helping his case (I personally don't like his choice of words) I feel like he is just frustrated town. I don't particularly care what specific role, any town is worth keeping alive. I don't really have much that I can decipher from anyone else, but I'm working on it...

This post reads town to me.

I'm calling that dana, P&tB, and tragedy are scum.

Vote: Tragedy

[Lelouch VI Britannia]

@Espeonage (and others calling 'Lulu' town):

He made a post about quicktopics right around during pre-game, and

then

he (in all probability) lied about receiving his role PM "10 minutes before the game started" and pulled a bunch of AtE/raging in order to try to get out of being incriminated, and you're calling him town? Since when does blatantly lying/AtE make someone town?

Not to mention, his 'scumhunting' is more like going along with what other people are saying. In his iso 26 he calls Tragedy "maybe a doc" and says he has a town read on him, but then in iso 33 he says "I would really like to jump on Tragedy", which to my VI-translator reads as "I think Tragedy is scum". What changed to make him have such a drastic change of opinion? In short, Tragedy started gaining a lot of negative attention right around the time Lelouch suddenly got a whole lot of votes on him. Him changing his stance on Tragedy is obviously a scummy attempt to save himself, nothing more.

In other news, I've been doing some iso-reading of other players but I'm keeping my thoughts to myself until I'm done looking at everyone.

Your not reading all my posts your acting moronic, RE READ I gave a good reason on tragedy are you BLIND stop trying to throw dirt on me thats not there.

[Lelouch VI Britannia]

DTMASTER
I'm playing "null"?
Oh please. DGB and I orchestrated the whole thing to attempt to become badass Vigs and save the day, yadda ya. /jk

Oh I believe Lelouch was opportunistic. Quick and easy way t get on a nice big wagon (us) and not draw flack; in the heat of the moment.
esurio is also female, DTM.

Ok, I'm going to tell the truth here, so bear with me.
I don't like Lelouch. I can't tell if he'st rolling, has the brain the size of a pea, or is just trying to be spam-tastic and annoying as fuck.
Whatever it is, its working.
The vote on us? Opportunistic.

The continued douchebaggery and "oh i command them scum to suicide".
OH YEAH. GOOD ONE.

#68 by Lelouch is shit. We could all sit here and list Nintendo characters and why they should be in the game and what roles they should have. OH YEAH GUESS THAT. MY CHARACTER ISNT ON YOUR FUCKING LIST BRITANNICA.

OOH OOH I WANNA GUESS THAT! Seriously cough haha mad spelling and grammmmmmar errors, not that I don't make some sometimes.

DAT'S RIGHT.
SSBMafia makes its first allude. <3

REALLY. You played the n00b card. That's a GREAT defense bro. Use it all the time.
NOT. That's a bullshit defense and doesn't mean anything other than you can't defend your actions in a pro-town method without some sort of justification- here appealing to the n00b mentality that any mistake can be "oh lulz imma newb without a brain herp derp".

YEAH.
NOT BUYING IT.

This was me. Talking to Lelouch. Because its fucking annoying. Do any new players actually have BRAINS? Because only the bad players are well known; the idiots and the trolls; not to mention the cheaters...

His OMGUS in #77 and #78 is laughable. Not even mentioning me before then, and after we call him out he goes "TMH VIGPLZ NAO". MMHMM Not to mention half his crap is unreadable to begin with. You act like a retarded newb because you are one; don't delude yourself with grandeur; you're only more of a VI for pretending you're something good.

HEY TOAST.
LEWARCHER LIKES ME BETTER THAN YOU.

Yes. Lelouch rolename fished.

And I'm willing to bet he'll claim anything to stay alive, like some "really good player" would do (translation: bleeding-heart VI).

I was ranting at Lelouch.

No to mass nameclaim.

I'm THE BAKER because I breadcrumb like a Baker. See my wiki for more details.

Yes, Tragedy. Yes you can tell. STFU and die idiot.

#96 is horribad. Please come back after you take ESL.

Waiting for lelouch to talk sense is as likely as shotty to become a ListMod.

Page 5 already? Why isn't Master Hand hammered yet?

Say what? O_O
You want me dead? Is this a joke or a legit scumread? Because you revote to mb53 and I'm confused. :S

Now.
Espeonage, why you gotta be so naturally scummy?

#125 is headdesk. His massive OMGUS on esurio is shit too.

He claimed Vanilla? FFFFF

#150 Lelouch_Kettle is calling mb53_Pot black.

Saw what, Dekes? Just tell us for those of us who are too busy/lazy to do ISO work for ourselves.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

New players shouldn't start with large theme games.

Honestly I feel like limiting them to Opens/Newbie games was better. Weeds out the idiots from playing these games until they know ANYTHING about mafia.

I like #166. Maybe its because I want Lelouch dead regardless of 166, but 166 is a nice find, and I'd definitely be down to test it on D1. (Spoiler: I really want Lelouch dead. Seeing his douchbaggery and idiocy every time I try to read drains the willpower like mad. I'm no Green Lantern; I don't have infinite willpower.)

Thank you for your permission, Lelouch. Please self-vote, log out of your account, and never visit this site again.

Tragedy still needs to die a horrid, horrid death.

Sorry for lurking. For some reason, my mind is blown every time I look at this game. Why does lelouch seem so much like scum giving up if he's really town?

I apologize if this is somewhat weak. My willpower is drained from the idiocy literally spewing from assface over there and every time Toast and I talk about the game it devolves into "fucking lelouch needs to fucking die".

Questions/comments/concerns?

-The Baker

Really I am going to do that?! I thought I said earlier to LYNCH ME ALREADY! AS IN OTHER WORDS IM SAYING MAKE A FUCKING SACRIFICE ARE YOU SERIOUSLY BLIND?!

[Lelouch VI Britannia]

Also I think there is a strong Possibility Tragedy is mafia HOWEVER I do NOT feel Pinky and the Brain is Mafia at all. As for Dana, no real reason to go on either side.

Master Hand your being an asshole. Just shut up scummy boy, btw I hope Vig listens to me cause when he dies and his Scum blood is all over the place you'll be going OMG YOUR SO EPIC. Anyway I will be doing the dirt digging and throwing and shoveling and moving and etc from now on. And I will take care of everyones dead bodies too, but onnnnnly if your royalty. wink wink.

[danakillsu]

Sorry for lurking. For some reason, my mind is blown every time I look at this game. Why does lelouch seem so much like scum giving up if he's really town?

I apologize if this is somewhat weak. My willpower is drained from the idiocy literally spewing from assface over there and every time Toast and I talk about the game it devolves into "fucking lelouch needs to fucking die".

Questions/comments/concerns?

-The Baker

Okay, I'm really confused by this quote of me. Does this mean

I

drain your willpower by spewing idiocy? As in, I'm assface? Or is the quote there because you're agreeing with me and the assface is Lelouch or someone?

[The Master Hand]

Sorry for lurking. For some reason, my mind is blown every time I look at this game. Why does lelouch seem so much like scum giving up if he's really town?

I apologize if this is somewhat weak. My willpower is drained from the idiocy literally spewing from assface over there and every time Toast and I talk about the game it devolves into "fucking lelouch needs to fucking die".

Questions/comments/concerns?

-The Baker

Okay, I'm really confused by this quote of me. Does this mean

I

drain your willpower by spewing idiocy? As in, I'm assface? Or is the quote there because you're agreeing with me and the assface is Lelouch or someone?

No, the latter.
I'm agreeing with you.

Sorry for the confusion.

-The Baker

[Pinky and the Brain]

Every time I log on I just feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of posts this gets, and I just feel like it would be folly to try and glean something from all of them in a couple hours. Though I think Lulu's explosive attitude isn't helping his case (I personally don't like his choice of words) I feel like he is just frustrated town. I don't particularly care what specific role, any town is worth keeping alive. I don't really have much that I can decipher from anyone else, but I'm working on it...

This post reads town to me.

I'm calling that dana, P&tB, and tragedy are scum.

Vote: Tragedy

Humm.

Random inclusion of dana is very odd. Very, very odd.
Why dana, mb?


@ esurio: I think you've missed what I said before -

isn't LVB talking about PMs primarily in that thread you linked to

?

Anybody who's voting because of esurio's digging should feel free to answer this as well.

Although nobody asked about it, I think it's worth mentioning that the reason I can buy LVB's change of heart with regards to Tragedy in that it could feasibly be him sheeping a town read (us).

For instance about Tragedy: he denied ever saying she was a doc. I called him out on that. He answered he has changed his mind, cuz Tragedy has apparently done something horrible that made him change his mind. What? No idea. Mistery. Not a word. My read: noobish attempt at distancing, probably suggested by his scumbuddies, since they apparently have daytalk.

So you think that scumbuddies would suggest "OMG YOU CALLING TRAGEDY (a scumbuddy) A DOC YOU'D BETTER CHANGE YOUR MIND QUICK AND CALL HER SCUMMY"?

Not buying it, tbh.


@ TMH: What are your opinions on:
a) esurio's out-of-thread investigation on LVB?
b) The people who then went 'GENIUS, ESURIO! VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!'?


~ Hopp

[mb53]

Random inclusion of dana is very odd. Very, very odd.
Why dana, mb?

Mainly because of him voting for lelouch for something that isn't really scummy, that someone else also did, but in bigger proportions. Also, I have just a gut scum read in general.

[jmj3000]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

DarlaBlueEyes

- 3 - Tragedy,DTMaster, ObliviousDruidMuncher - (L-8)

esuriospiritus

- 2 - Lelouch VI Britannia, Espeonage - (L-9)

GhostWriter

- 1 - Lucresia - (L-10)

Lelouch VI Britannia

- 9 - The Master Hand, esuriospiritus, CSL, danakillsu, lewarcher82, GhostWriter, crazypianist1116, Ashblade, RedCoyote - (L-2)

ObliviousDruidMuncher

- 1 - thil13 - (L-10)

RedCoyote

- 1 - DarlaBlueEyes - (L-10)

Tragedy

- 3 - Pinky and the Brain, Dekes, mb53 - (L-8)

Players not voting: None

V/LAs: DarlaBlueEyes (Computer issues), CSL (Computer issues), Lucresia (Wedding), lewarcher82 (Conference)

If there are any errors, let me know and I will fix them. Vote Counts should happen every day, or at most every other day.

Deadline is April 21 at 4:30 PM EDT.

[esuriospiritus]

@PatB:

Here's the original quote for reference again:

Instead of having to make a slightly awkward PM system steal the one the Ikariam Boards use because they are simpler to use and better in EVERY aspect basically makes Quick Topic SHIT compared to it and makes sharing a Conversation between more than one person easier aka include Joint PMs so like you can PM 1 2 3 and 4 and if any of them respond they all see it and so on so we can all talk and all see responses.

I can kind of see where you got "mainly talking about PMs", but as far as I can tell, he's saying, "This other board has a group PM system that works better than QuickTopic, here's how it would work and why we should use it." He specifically compared it to QT, which makes he think he was more talking about scum QTs and not a more innocent "oh, I just want to be able to have a private conversation with my MS buddies x, y, z, and q."

[Lelouch VI Britannia]

So are you saying that its not possible I never died in another game and happen to be in a Dead people QT? Or you know your just so scummy you jumped on it super quick ot pull votes on me either way if I die you'll get lynched and so will MB and if I live then I get to bother the fuck out of you.