Newbie 1101 - Game over!

[PersonalIdiot04]

Excuse me, as I can't post details at this moment. I still have yet to reread this with a clear head.

[Incognito]

Ok.

Apologies if that came off rudely, it's just I've been burned in a game before by a player who had a playstyle very similar to yours. I checked that person off as town for a really bad reason looking back on it, I was killed Night 1, and then luckily the town caught on to him later on in the game. I'm just trying to make sure I don't make that mistake again.

[Voidedmafia]

Cj, Grimm (though I suppose mostly to Grimm): Do you still see me as scum? If so, why? If not, why is your vote on me still?

I've seen pretty much the same arguments rehashed again and again against me, and at least one part of it has been shot so many times, it's not funny anymore. I could say the entire thing is shot, but that'd be too pretentious of me. But seriously, nearly everyone against me is either using shot-down arguments, overused arguments, or have absolutely no reasoning at all for suspecting me. Please give something else to further your case, and presumably unvote if you cannot, and give suspicions of everyone else as well as reasons why. Even if the reason's as flmsy as, well, fish, it's better than no reasoning at all.

[Elfen]

Well Void, you are still suspicious to me, but we do need to go to a new topic on things, mainly we need some of the players to post and all.

[Incognito]

Off-topic but Elfen, sanchocolates, and cjdrum: You guys are really damn young. haha.

[Elfen]

xD is that a bad thing, an yaayz I am the older of the three. Have we been playing good so far?? Also, I am not going to post anything else tonight, due to I am reading a really god fanfiction (GrimmxIchi) ♥ and when that happens, my meta gets screwed up and I appear scummy to all... well back to topic D< more people need to post BLARG. Crap D: see hyperness is kicking in(I also downed like 4 doughnuts, they where yummy)

[Voidedmafia]

Doughnuts...*starts salivating*

Were they Krispy Kreme?

[Elfen]

.... yes.. they had rasberry filling to <3

[Incognito]

It's not a bad thing; I just find that kind of thing interesting. I just wonder if when I was 14 and 15 and if I had known about forum Mafia, would I have been interested in playing it or not. Then again, back then my family didn't even have a computer nor the internet, so there would have been no way I could have played.

I was more interested in playing with my Nintendo 64 and basketball, baseball, and football anyway haha.

I can't really comment on play just yet since I don't know your alignments, and we've just started. I'll gladly comment on play during post-game if any of you would like me to.

But yes, back on topic, I really do hope some of our more inactive people become more active. Even though we've only been playing for like 4 days, I feel like this game has already been going on for at least a week. Kinda weird.

[Voidedmafia]

But yes, back on topic, I really do hope some of our more inactive people become more active. Even though we've only been playing for like 4 days, I feel like this game has already been going on for at least a week. Kinda weird.

This is EXACTLY what that one post was referring to: People pretty much ALWAYS slack off on posting and giving reads and such near the 1-week mark. It's like they need a lynch to actually get them to participate again. -_-

[Elfen]

I say the day length is WAAAY to long to play with. I mean, I am used to like a week, which gets people to post rather quick and it goes faster and not stretching it out. They really should lower it down instead of 3 weeks, that is way to long

[PersonalIdiot04]

Umm, yeah. The only people I DON'T suspect as being scum are myself (obviously), Elfen, sanchocolates, and dk_peace.

I'm sorry about the conflicting reports, but I have butterflies in my stomach.

[Elfen]

@PI is this your first tiem playing and why??

[PersonalIdiot04]

@PI is this your first tiem playing and why??

Yes, this is. And what do you mean by "why??"? Is this saying that I shouldn't be playing my first game in the Newbie category?

[Elfen]

No i ment why you have butterflies in your stomach

[dk_peace]

Responses to Voided from post 182
First off, the problem is you keep saying it's hypocritical but honestly the statement itself (in post 26), when viewed in isolation is actually internally consistent. Hypocrisy is only introduced when you start to deny it. Now it's true that you may be denying it because you don't actually believe it (although then, even you have to admit that the original statement could be interpreted that way) or, it's possible that if you are the scum then you realized your mistake and were beginning to backtrack because of it. Either way, it's something to watch.

Secondly, I don't understand why you felt the need to discredit my point on you not answering the beginning of the game questions seeing how I actually said the point was week. I only brought it up to analyze the case as a whole as I saw it.

Next, the Oswald lurking issue. The problem is that if your insistence that Oswald was lurking at that point was not based on unrealistic expectations or inexperience then the next logical explanation was that you were accusing him of something before he even did it. Now, this could actually be considered scummy. That said, currently, the idea that Oswald is lurking actually has some merit, but at the time you brought it up initially, it was premature.

That said, yes, the most brought up point on you has been the quick lynch issue. I hesitate to say that you shot-down the argument since your defense can really be summed up as "I don't like arbitrary quick lynches". That said, do you honestly disagree that from an outside perspective, post 26 could not logically be interpreted to mean you wanted to lynch someone as quickly as possible? The notion that you wanted to quicklynch someone based purely on that post is logically consistent.

[dk_peace]

@ Incognito

I spent half of my day feeling like an old man... Seems to be a reoccurring theme for me today.

[Voidedmafia]

Responses to Voided from post 182
First off, the problem is you keep saying it's hypocritical but honestly the statement itself (in post 26), when viewed in isolation is actually internally consistent. Hypocrisy is only introduced when you start to deny it. Now it's true that you may be denying it because you don't actually believe it (although then, even you have to admit that the original statement could be interpreted that way) or, it's possible that if you are the scum then you realized your mistake and were beginning to backtrack because of it. Either way, it's something to watch.

I thought hypocrisy was saying one thing (like "Don't do drugs!") and then doing that thing (...doing drugs)?

I understand the possible interpretation, but it's not the one that should be gleaned.

Secondly, I don't understand why you felt the need to discredit my point on you not answering the beginning of the game questions seeing how I actually said the point was week. I only brought it up to analyze the case as a whole as I saw it.

Some people (cj in particular) are using that as a basis for their case against me.

Next, the Oswald lurking issue. The problem is that if your insistence that Oswald was lurking at that point was not based on unrealistic expectations or inexperience then the next logical explanation was that you were accusing him of something before he even did it. Now, this could actually be considered scummy. That said, currently, the idea that Oswald is lurking actually has some merit, but at the time you brought it up initially, it was premature.

Were my expectations high? perhaps. Were they unreasonable? I don't think so, at least.

That said, yes, the most brought up point on you has been the quick lynch issue. I hesitate to say that you shot-down the argument since your defense can really be summed up as "I don't like arbitrary quick lynches". That said, do you honestly disagree that from an outside perspective, post 26 could not logically be interpreted to mean you wanted to lynch someone as quickly as possible? The notion that you wanted to quicklynch someone based purely on that post is logically consistent.

Because the fact that it would sound hypocritical to go "I HATE WAITING I WANT QUICKLYNCHES!" and then backtrack by saying "I HATE QUICKLYNCHES" would negate that line of thinking. From one standpoint, it does look scummy, but why would I do something intentionally scummy like that?

Maybe logically consistent, but it's illogically conclusive. Aka, I understand you may think that, but that's not the right way.

[Voidedmafia]

Umm, yeah. The only people I DON'T suspect as being scum are myself (obviously), Elfen, sanchocolates, and dk_peace.

I'm sorry about the conflicting reports, but I have butterflies in my stomach.

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE?!

Come on, man, you can do better than THIS, surely! Forget the butterflies, get your thoughts out here! Sure, we might ridicule them because they may seem stupid to us, but keeping the info to yourself does more damage than us discrediting it because it'll be out there, not stuck in your head.

[PersonalIdiot04]

Umm, yeah. The only people I DON'T suspect as being scum are myself (obviously), Elfen, sanchocolates, and dk_peace.

I'm sorry about the conflicting reports, but I have butterflies in my stomach.

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE?!

Come on, man, you can do better than THIS, surely! Forget the butterflies, get your thoughts out here! Sure, we might ridicule them because they may seem stupid to us, but keeping the info to yourself does more damage than us discrediting it because it'll be out there, not stuck in your head.

OK, now THIS is a prime reason that we should lynch Voidedmafia. He attacks at least one newbie (me), and just generally sounds like a d*****bag. I don't think that many townies would ever do things like this.

[Voidedmafia]

So you find a post that's trying to tell you to start participating an attack against you (though it could be since I'm asking you for your proof of your suspicions on me)?

Well, it's one of the odder interpretations I've seen, though I've obviously not seen 'em all.

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: Start participating and giving your thoughts.

Wow, I must've been rushing, there.

[PersonalIdiot04]

It's getting late where I live, so I will see you tomorrow (or the same day, depending on where you live).

[dk_peace]

OK, now THIS is a prime reason that we should lynch Voidedmafia. He attacks at least one newbie (me), and just generally sounds like a d*****bag. I don't think that many townies would ever do things like this.

I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on this one right out of the gate. First off, he asked you to provide evidence to back up your claim. This isn't a scum tell. To be honest, you need to provide evidence to back up your claims. That is simply a fact. Secondly, weather or not he sounds like a d-bag is actually irrelevant to his alignment. Townies can be jerks too. His somewhat disrespectful attitude is alignment neutral.

[sanchocolates]

I'm sorry, but I'm quite stressed with the goings-on. As for the reason that I jumped on the Voidedmafia wagon, I actually started the wagon. I'm still quite inexperienced, so I think I'll revise my reports:
Voidedmafia: Likely Scum
Elfen: Likely Town
sanchocolates: Leaning Town
dk_peace: Likely Town

The rest I am unsure about.

Oh, I just went back and saw that now.

Off-topic but Elfen, sanchocolates, and cjdrum: You guys are really damn young. haha.

lolwut

Random: My timezone is different than all of yours. This makes it harder for me to keep track since most posts will be done when I'm sleeping.