Mortal Kombat Mafia (Game Over: Mafia Win)

[Palisade]

Fair warning, Almond is working on a wall containing all of our reads. We've talked it out a little bit.

Since it was asked of me why I found Cooldog's 24 scummy,

vote:toog for not understanding that this has almost nothing to do with fate.

For the record, I believe I could beat fate in kombat.

It's pure cognitive dissonance. He says that it has nothing to do with fate, while focusing on fate in the second paragraph. Additionally, his random vote seems like bussing, due to how weak the reasoning behind it is. Cooldog is explaining his random vote too much, for a random vote.

It is the main reason I find him to be scum and why I voted him.


And I see we were quick-selected as a kombatant without people having waited for us. Almond says that he'll do the wagon analysis. He said in our QT

About one third of the votes are policy (scummy), one third are legitimate scumhunters who've misread us (town), and the other third? Seems like they're there just for the heck of it. (Case-by-case for those.)

Since there's a significant chance you will not wait for Almond to finish, (really? REALLY?!?) we are Smoke, a Vanilla Kombatant. (Almond pointed out how the name really suited the picture.) Paraphrased Flavor mentions that we're a mystical warrior of (you guessed it) smoke, and that we questioned the ways of Lin Kuei, whoever that is. Talked about cybernetic implants, but parted ways with the clan. We escaped enslavement with help from friends. (Not named in our PM.) Then decided to go out hunting evils of the realm. I'm not sure we're allowed to give the name of our voting ability and our passive ability. But, yeah, it's pretty much the standard VT PM with some flavor and a picture added. Nothing special. We're expendable.

VOTE: Cooldog. Springlullaby, Amrun, ABR, Kise, Fonz, and Togeloo are all acceptable alternatives. Almond strongly believes that's our scumteam.

-RedHead

[WeyounsLastClone]

I really don't get why people are voting themselves. First ABR, who luckily quickly unvoted, and now Ludi.

Vote: Ludi

, I really hate it when people start voting for themselves.
And I still don't like MoS going random again, after we already had a semi-lynch.

[Darox]

Fair warning, Almond is working on a wall containing all of our reads.

LYNCH FASTER LYNCH FASTER.

I really don't get why people are voting themselves. First ABR, who luckily quickly unvoted, and now Ludi.

Vote: Ludi

, I really hate it when people start voting for themselves.
And I still don't like MoS going random again, after we already had a semi-lynch.

You do realize why he is voting himself, right?

[WeyounsLastClone]

I really don't get why people are voting themselves. First ABR, who luckily quickly unvoted, and now Ludi.

Vote: Ludi

, I really hate it when people start voting for themselves.
And I still don't like MoS going random again, after we already had a semi-lynch.

You do realize why he is voting himself, right?

Yes, because he wants to battle Mastin (exact details of why he and Mastin have a grudge I'm not sure about though). And no, that's still not a good reason to vote for yourself.

[SnakePlissken]

Right, hello. I've just got back from my holiday and thus far I have no idea whats going on so I will read back. I take it from skimming we are currently voting fkor the 2nd Kombatant? Ludi is the wagon vote currently for what reason? I will be back later on after I have read back and I have had Sunday Lunch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

If MoS isn't vigged come daybreak, no future vig claim will go believed.

Vote: Ludi

Only an idiot vig would listen to scum like you.

If MoS isn't vigged come daybreak, no future vig claim will go believed.

Fuck me sideways, it just hit me: MoS is Havik. Vig, not bullshitting, shoot him if you exist. There is NO WAY Havik is aligned with the town.

LoL Havik? Where did you come up with that, genius?

[DemonHybrid]

VOTE COUNT FOR KOMBATANTS

Day 1 Vote Count (#10)

Magister Ludi (5) - Magister Ludi, Albert B. Rampage, Fate, Darox, WeyounsLastClone
Fate (1) - Mastermind of Sin
springlullaby (1) - Ghostwriter
CooLDoG (1) - Palisade

Not voting (17) - Snakeplissken, T-Bone, zMuffinMan, Timeater, springlullaby, CooLDoG, Bunnylover, The Fonz, kiwieagle, Internet Stranger, Bogre, Toogeloo, Amrun, xRECKONERx, Kise, Nero Cain, Oversoul

The deadline for Day 1 is August 25th, 8:00 PM EDT. With 25 alive, it takes 13 to select a Kombatant.

The stage for Day 1 is: The Pit!

Palisade has been selected as the first Mortal Kombatant!

[Internet Stranger]

Care to elaborate there, Writer? Should MoS be the one thrown in there too?

Is it not possible that fighting has any inherent risks on both of them? Besides pitting the scummiest players will help us find the other scum easier. Putting them in against a supertownie "execution style" doesn't provide any information. We will get the most info on the initial voting determining who goes in the pit.


Hey ABR, don't think that I didn't notice the way you tricked Ludi into risking his life in the pit.
I got my eye on you now.

IGMEOY: ABR

[Internet Stranger]

Additionally, Palisade is already making "scumlists". That's all WIFOMy bullshit. He needs to die.

[CooLDoG]

Fair warning, Almond is working on a wall containing all of our reads. We've talked it out a little bit.

Since it was asked of me why I found Cooldog's 24 scummy,

vote:toog for not understanding that this has almost nothing to do with fate.

For the record, I believe I could beat fate in kombat.

It's pure cognitive dissonance. He says that it has nothing to do with fate, while focusing on fate in the second paragraph. Additionally, his random vote seems like bussing, due to how weak the reasoning behind it is. Cooldog is explaining his random vote too much, for a random vote.

It is the main reason I find him to be scum and why I voted him.


And I see we were quick-selected as a kombatant without people having waited for us. Almond says that he'll do the wagon analysis. He said in our QT

About one third of the votes are policy (scummy), one third are legitimate scumhunters who've misread us (town), and the other third? Seems like they're there just for the heck of it. (Case-by-case for those.)

Since there's a significant chance you will not wait for Almond to finish, (really? REALLY?!?) we are Smoke, a Vanilla Kombatant. (Almond pointed out how the name really suited the picture.) Paraphrased Flavor mentions that we're a mystical warrior of (you guessed it) smoke, and that we questioned the ways of Lin Kuei, whoever that is. Talked about cybernetic implants, but parted ways with the clan. We escaped enslavement with help from friends. (Not named in our PM.) Then decided to go out hunting evils of the realm. I'm not sure we're allowed to give the name of our voting ability and our passive ability. But, yeah, it's pretty much the standard VT PM with some flavor and a picture added. Nothing special. We're expendable.

VOTE: Cooldog. Springlullaby, Amrun, ABR, Kise, Fonz, and Togeloo are all acceptable alternatives. Almond strongly believes that's our scumteam.

-RedHead

His random vote has weak reasoning. He must be SCUM!

One thing that throws me toward BL actually being town is that she is willing to die. For some reason I do not think that scum would be that persistent.

@mos, why are you still using dice?

vote: MoS

[T-Bone]

Why are we pitting a random person to duel? Unless the Survivor gets powers for winning the fight it's stupid.

Vote: Springlulliby

BL has been pretty cooperative, I believe him. Why isn't this person being strung up too?

[Fate]

This isn't random at all.

Ludi is actually very likely to be scum. Look at his ISO, he SCREAMS for a mastin lynch, constantly rages for his death, AND THAT'S IT.

Look at his play in DEFCON, very thorough methodical, reasoned player.

This game he's changing it up? Why?

Because he WAS LYNCHED last game for being reasonable, so now he drew a scum role and wants to MIX IT UP. Taking refuge in audacity by "being too abrasive/tunneling" to be scum. Well its not fooling me in the fuckin SLIGHTEST

LUDI VS. PALLS SCUM BRAWL OF THE CENTURY

MORE LUDI VOTES

[The Fonz]

Also, even though I recognize the technical correctness of Fonz' view on BL, I do not agree with him. IF one miller claim is true, I would definitely choose BL over SL.

And that's just it. SL has been straightforward, and acted like I might expect a town player who thinks claiming miller is the right thing to do. Bunny is SO much scummier.

Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?

Five words.

What if Palisade claims cop?

MoS' dice are bothering me but I think it isn't something scum would do. It is stupid, though.

It's MoS' shtick, like UltimaAvalon selfvoting or UK voting the mod. It's not something he 'wouldn't do as scum' because he always does it. I normally policy vote people who do stuff like that (that's

my

shtick) but we have bigger fish to fry.

I don't know if sending in one scummy player and one good players due to roles.
Even though we believe person X is scum, do we still decide to kill them if they claim a pro-town role (Cop, doctor, etc) while person Y is more viable as a player but not in role term (VT, neighbourizer, etc)?

Which is why we put in a scummy player who's already claimed a negative value role, like, say, you.

Yes, it is. What's the deal with her? She's hinted power role. Obviously, it is in the interests of town to pin her down to one claim, so that she can't just pull out the most beneficial claim when she's run up.

*stores away for possible role-fish*.
[/quote]

LOL. In what world is demanding a claim from someone and refusing to move your vote until they do 'fishing?' It's simple. Players who softclaim should ALWAYS be forced to fullclaim. Add in the fact that, even without the miller claim, she'd still be scummy.

I have, and I see an effort at scumhunting.

Attacking people for pointing out obvious mod errors isn't scum hunting Fonz, it's fluff to make someone look like they are scumhunting.

No, pointing out mod errors is fluff, and pointing out fluff is scumhunting.

[Amrun]

VOTE: springlullaby

Fonz, why are you ignoring the context of BL's playstyle in her miller claim?

SL, have you ever been a miller before?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good.....LUDI VS PALISSADE GOGO

[springlullaby]

@ BUNNYLOVER

@Kise: I'm not sure what that means.
I think it means that my miller is an ability so basically its like this
xxxxxxx(miller passive) - description.
If so, then yes its like that in my pm.
The passive is called Former Evil Slave.

This check out with my PM. My miller status is indeed indicated as a passive ability. Although my role is called Reformed Black Dragon Leader.
The fact that our roles seem to be checking out with each other make me think that we are both town and that mod just decided to have fun.

This make me wonder about the following:

Pali, The Fonz, Spring, MOS = leaning scum.

Why do you think I'm leaning scum considering the above?

Also, my role clearly state that scum are called the Black Dragons. Is it the same in your role PM?

[The Fonz]

VOTE: springlullaby

Fonz, why are you ignoring the context of BL's playstyle in her miller claim?

Again, what fucking context? I've never played with her before, all I can see is that she's acting scummy and shifty, whereas Spring is acting how I would expect an honest miller claimant to do, and being as straightforward as possible. People seem to be completely ignoring my argument that it would make sense for a scum planning a miller claim to read through and check no-one had already claimed it, whereas an actual miller who believed in claiming first post would claim first post regardless of how bad it might make them look.

Basically, BL is by a million miles the scummier of the two, and it frankly astounds me that people can't see this.

[Bunnylover]

@Spring: Supposely two millers in the game is a little weird even for a large theme game.
More of a FOS then actual YOUR SCUM YOUR SCUM.
And no. I have no knowledge of what the scum group(s) are called.

@Fonz: lol the difference between me and Spring is that I am been question while Spring is not. You can't compare us.
So Spring first post claiming miller = town.
My First post claiming miller = YOU CLAIMED TOO EARLY.

[springlullaby]

Unvote; Vote: Palisade

Not sure why several people suggested I wanted the millers to duel or combat or whatever. I do not. Palisade NEVER stopped being scum, ever. I wanted to note the absolute scumminess of springlullaby's miller claim with a vote to show I was serious. It's not that she claimed miller after BL did;

it's that she took it BACK immediately.

WTF is that shit.

What are you talking about? I never took back my claim.
The only thing I retracted was my self-vote to go up against Bunnylover. I did so because I realized that this was a 25 players large theme and therefore more plausible for there being two legit millers.
Are you deliberately distorting the truth here? If not, please do check my iso.

VOTE: springlullaby

Fonz, why are you ignoring the context of BL's playstyle in her miller claim?

SL, have you ever been a miller before?

I have never been a miller before but I have modded one game with a miller in it, and played in at least one iirc which had one. Why are you asking?

[The Fonz]

@Fonz: lol the difference between me and Spring is that I am been question while Spring is not. You can't compare us.
So Spring first post claiming miller = town.
My First post claiming miller = YOU CLAIMED TOO EARLY.

No, and that's a misrepresentation, which adds to your scumpoints. I am against first post miller claims on principle. First post claims at the very least achieve nothing that a twilight claim couldn't. I believe that the harm of allowing scum to narrow down who the power roles might be by prem claiming is much more likely to cause the town harm the the outside chance that there is a cop and that cop investigates you and lives to claim it. I also believe it's a brilliant claim for scum, because it allows them to dodge said investigations, while the claimant won't get lynched because half the town will scream 'OMG SOMEONE IS TRYING TO POLICY LYNCH HER, SHE MUST BE TOWN!' If something's bad for town and good for scum, it's scummy.

That said, in the context of the two miller claims, yours is scummier. I do think a scum coming to the thread late with the idea of claiming miller is likely to check that no-one else has already done so. Someone else having claimed miller already raises the risk of the gambit, which makes it a less likely course of action for scum - but town who want to claim miller first post will do it anyway, because they believe it's right.

Also, as noted, outside of the miller claim, your posts have been scummier than hers.

[The Fonz]

Also, Spring's actions make perfect town sense.

"Hey, someone else claimed my role! Vote: her!"

Although... this is a large game, maybe it isn't impossible there are role doubles... I'll check my pm to see if it gives any indication as to whether or not other millers might exist.

"No, there's nothing in my pm to suggest i'm the only miller, unvote."

I do think one of you is lying. Some people have suggested multiple scumgroups is a flavor fit. If that were the case, then i could see scumgroup-specific investigators and scumgroup-specific millers. But multiple standard millers are not impossible, but unlikely - i've only seen it once, and the mod there was... me.

[springlullaby]

Why are we pitting a random person to duel? Unless the Survivor gets powers for winning the fight it's stupid.

Vote: Springlulliby

BL has been pretty cooperative, I believe him. Why isn't this person being strung up too?

Are you saying that I haven't been cooperative? Please justify, thanks.

[Bunnylover]

@Cooldog:
Spring never voted me, Spring voted himself/herself/themselves.
Unvoted themsleves after he wanted to match flavor and pm.
The post above your latest one is more clearer to me. Your still wrong in thinking I am scum, but at least Im starting to understand your view point.

[Toogeloo]

Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?

Five words.

What if Palisade claims cop?[/quote]
Palisade is already going into the ring, we should get a claim from them before we even get to a second participant, because same argument could be made that "What if one claims cop and the other claims Doc?" If Palisade claims any kind of power though, are we just going to believe it and quickly get a Miller in there and lynch the Miller instead?

@Bunnylover: I'd like more flavor on you please. Specifically I'm going to leave out one major element of my role, please fill.

c. My being a miller is considered a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (Please fill in the xxxx)

Here you are looking for a specific phrase.
Yet, here...

@ BUNNYLOVER

@Kise: I'm not sure what that means.
I think it means that my miller is an ability so basically its like this
xxxxxxx(miller passive) - description.
If so, then yes its like that in my pm.
The passive is called Former Evil Slave.

This check out with my PM. My miller status is indeed indicated as a passive ability. Although my role is called Reformed Black Dragon Leader.
The fact that our roles seem to be checking out with each other make me think that we are both town and that mod just decided to have fun.

This make me wonder about the following:

Pali, The Fonz, Spring, MOS = leaning scum.

Why do you think I'm leaning scum considering the above?

Also, my role clearly state that scum are called the Black Dragons. Is it the same in your role PM?

You are fine with it not being exact at all.

Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.

Vote:
Springlullaby

[Magister Ludi]

Unless the Survivor gets

powers for winning the fight

it's stupid.

~~~

Ludi is actually very likely to be scum. Look at his ISO, he SCREAMS for a mastin lynch, constantly rages for his death, AND THAT'S IT.

EHEHAEHAEHEHAHEHAAH

WATCH AND LEARN PADAWAN.

YOU GETTING COLD FEET??? IS PALISADE YOUR NEW TOWN READ? DON'T THINK I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN HOW QUICKLY YOU DIVERTED ATTENTION FROM YOUR OWN DUELING OF COOLDOG.

~~~

What if Palisade claims cop?

Palisade has already claimed VT:

it's pretty much the standard VT PM

~~~

But multiple standard millers are not impossible, but unlikely - i've only seen it once, and the mod there was... me.

I've put them in games I have reviewed, and argued for them specifically for meta-breaking reasons. You'll see when [REDACTED] finishes exactly how I used them.