Mafiascum.net

Alright I feel that Deltawave is not scum. My reason being that scum would not try to put their name out their early in the game. Mafia members would most likely try hiding through out the game or fake scum hunt. I doubt any of them would claim miller (right?) early in the game if they were scum. It would have been more suspicious if the lynch was reached and then someone claimed miller since there would be no time to counter argue him/her. That to me would have been a much more scumish act. So for now I doubt he is scum.

Also welcome new players.

And welcome Amrun, you have my attention right now since I want to see what you think of the game right now.

Okay, I exist. Let me read.

Oh holy God. I thought this game was 8 pages... but it's almost 30! False advertising. :/

Going to take longer than I thought...

↑ iStark wrote:@Om, why do you think Lucky is scum?

It's a gut read.

Also welcome Amrun :D
Please actually this time.

↑ Om of the Nom wrote:

↑ iStark wrote:@Om, why do you think Lucky is scum?

It's a gut read.

Also welcome Amrun
Please actually

play

this time.

Seriously, fucking bite me.

I totally predicted I would have a rash of deaths in my family.

Welcome Amrun.

I will be waiting for your results. Good luck!

Alright, Page 5-6 gives us Lopsy-def town, kondi almost-confirmed (due to the "fakehammer"), still leaves Lucky scum, and gives us v2v leaning scum.
iStark and Korlash are both def-town, I agree that you two need to stop arguing.

EDIT: I understand the deaths in your family hindering your progress in the game, but then you started lurking a lot afterwards.

Om-non-nom, what is your stance on Delta?

Don't be so bitter because my team stomped yours.

Nearly done with the archives, though, post incoming soon.

Just a question to help me as I'm reading along. Who are we currently leaning towards lynching and why?

EDIT: My stance on Delta so far is a nullread. Haven't read enough to fully decide yet.

EDIT AGAIN: No Amrun, I'm not angry like that. Also your team totally didn't stomp town. In the graveyard by lategame we had already guessed Staeg-scum and zMuffin-scum.

Graveyard means nothing. It's much easier to call scum once you're dead. But this is pointless and I'd like to drop it.

Pages 7-9 give us IceGuy town, Delta leaning townish, kondi back to scum. malth, Otto, and Dan are all town too.

EDIT: Yeah, let's drop it.

I'm going to quickly skim through the archive and note any significant comments or questions in this post. PREPARE FOR INFODUMP!

-Early townread on Glass.

-Early scumread on lucky; he asks for others' opinions instead of giving his own. Notably, I also didn't like the solitary post I read of his above my last two posts. It's very forced-sounding. He's putting false pressure on me. "You better have something good to say!" It's just awkward.

-Oh God ... lucky, y u so scum? He's very jumpy on page 3 and full of mudslinging. His suspects are the three people voting him. Wow, great case! But ... no vote.

-Early Lopsy townread.

-Ergh, lucky, deflection much?

-Early vijay townread.

-Not good vibes from IceGuy so far.

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malthusis wrote:All you've been doing is asking questions of others and attacking people instead of actually trying to find scum.

I had to quote this to go LOLWAT? What do you think one does to find scum, malthusis? Hahaha. I find luckyjt scummy, but if he isn't scum, bet is on malthusis. They're not necessarily mutually exclusive, either; this could be scum/scum. Bit of a coaching vibe.

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luckyjt wrote:You guys are not playing smart attempting to lynch someone who is posting their opinions on the round so far.

Yeah, that's scum perspective right there.

-However, malthusis' follow-up makes a lot more sense and I agree with him ... Less suspicious, but not feeling town for sure.

-lucky's defense is baaaaaad... So bad. It's full of deflection - "Who IS scumhunting? Was THAT guy's vote OMGUS?" and scummy cautiousness. "I can't be held accountable because I haven't voted yet!" Still, I sort of get the vibe that he believes this rubbish, so I'm a little conflicted.

-Mist Beauty seems townish so far, but strangely quiet.

-vijay strongest townread so far.

-iStark unvotes ActionDan because he isn't active, but votes IceGuy ... because he isn't active? WUT? Scummy.

-Ew, wtf, vijay, did you really try to hammer town on page 5 with no claim? Bye bye townread ... at least a little. This is too blatant for scum, but ew.

-I really don't like IceGuy. He's avoiding the game entirely and commenting on NOTHING of importance, which is really unlike him. He also says that one of lucky's attackers are scum, which heavily implies that he thinks lucky is town, but he is hesitant to say so, saying only that "he doesn't have a scum read" on him. He doesn't even say who on lucky's wagon is scum. Def scummy.

-Also, fail fakehammer, vijay, but you're still town.

-iStark not at all committed to his votes. hate it.

-Glass so town.

-Agree with malthusis; Rylai is lurker scummy.

-Feeling better about malthusis.

-Otto Von Clork p. bad. Idk if dumb or scum.

-IceGuy continues to active lurk...

-Early townread on ActionDan, despite totally disagreeing with him.

-Where the hell is DeltaWave?

-Otto's subsequent post isn't nearly as bad as the other.

-iStark is nervous to vote.

-What a hypocrite, iceguy. DW has been just about as active as yourself.

-Lopsy makes a great point about this exchange. IceGuy comes off the worst, though DW STILL not making any signficant comment about someone's alignment (or even voting IceGuy) isn't great either.

-IceGuy's "case" on kondi ... He doesn't even pretend to think kondi is scum. He just wants to get rid of kondi. That's not town motivated.

-Finally getting some weak Rylai townvibes. He demanded Glass' vote ... on HIM. That reads as genuine and not scum-motivated.

-Glass town decreasing. She was voting vijay, then she agrees with him, but doesn't vote with him... what.

-Once again ... Otto von Clark's analysis is soundly terrible, but not necessarily scummy. Anti-town and scummy are not at all interchangeable.

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Lopsy wrote:It reminds me of math camp, where we called every problem "impossible" before we solved it and "trivial" afterwards.

Just wanted to say that this is cute.

-IceGuy continues to scum up the thread. Why would his paraphrase be a reason to vote him? Don't you think a fakeclaim would be more standard, instead of going out on a limb like that?

-Ew, people are going along with it. Terrible reasoning.

-malthusis push on DW is the worst.

-iStark supporting the wagon but not voting is supah scummy. He's fencesitting hard. Finally votes after IceGuy's soft claim... Opportunistic.

-Rylai more town.

-Glass more town.

-MB more town.

-IceGuy ... I don't know. I don't like what he's up to but it's making me waver a bit.

End of archived posts reads:

Townish (no particular order): Glass, DW, ActionDan, MistBeauty, Rylai, Lopsy, v2v

Scummy (no particular order): lucky, IceGuy, iStark

Null: malthusis, Otto

During this weekend, I'm going to buckle down and re read everything in it's entirety, and write down some notes, and post what I come up with Monday. Weekends are my mish-mash only days.

Reasons for your reads, Om-nom-nom, or were they initial like mine were?

P-EDIT: I would also like to see Lucky roped if everyone would agree to it.

My reads are initial.

Yeah, DW is town, the wagon on him now is silly (for the fact that there actually *is* a wagon, not for why it exists (because I haven't read that yet :V)).

A Lucky wagon would be great.
VOTE: Luckyjt

Also Amrun since you think Deltawave is town do you mind unvoting him because that's where your vote is now.

newbscum is still scum.

Now, on to more recent things...

-Lucky's [post]17[/post]: Oh, really ... Your totally outdated and stupid reasons, from ages ago before the crash? You've avoided commenting on a lot.

-For the love of GOD, stop discussing investigations.

-ActionDan's (weak) town read is now reversed due mostly to the fact that he admitted to purposefully watching the thread and lurking. Feeling out the momentum of the crowd? Definitely scummy.

-lucky continues to be scummy.

-Don't like Glass' contradiction: ActionDan is scum buddying up to weak town Rylai, but Rylai is scum. What? Townread diminished.

-IceGuy continues to active lurk. Not even properly pushing a wagon as he should if what he hinted earlier was true.

-Korlash's fluff is annoying but probably not relevant to alignment. His reasoning on vijay is sound, though I don't agree that v2v is ultimately scum. +town

-Lucky is only interested in coasting and pushing his chosen mislynch.

-Ergh, dislike bbmolla's catch up. It's just so ... nothing. Followed by a bad bandwagon vote with poor reasoning.

-Blegh, Korlash's arguments for lynching DW are really fucking terrible. So terrible that I retract my townvibes. It's even stupider because it's "hypothetical" and riding the wave of opportunity with no real commitment.

-Lucky [post]122[/post]. Where the hell does the vijay suspicion come from? ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE. He's setting up on opportunistic wagon jump.

-DW town.

-Lopsy's [post]132[/post] is spot fucking on.

-Korlash's response is scummy. "If you call me scum based on speculation, I'll call YOU scum based on speculation." "Grow up and vote who I want you to vote." It's manipulative, illogical, and one of the scummiest posts all game.

-iStark getting marginally better. Post [post]142[/post] reads genuine.

Going to process who replaced whom and make a consolidated reads post.

p-edit: Urgh, how can my vote be on DeltaWave? I feel dirty.

OKAY

Top three scumreads: luckyjt, IceGuy, Korlash


Top three townreads: Lopsy, DW, iStark


That's just how I'm feeling right now. The biggest movement between the old thread and the new is iStark. I've liked basically all of his posting in the new thread and it feels real to me. I no longer think he's scum and think some of the things I found scummy are due to a combination of newness and language barrier. (What is your first language, iStark?)


VOTE: luckyjt



CSL, why do you think DeltaWave is scum? I think it's clear beyond clarity that he is not.

As I explained earlier, initial gut-reads are initial and require no reason. I would not demand reasons for such (Post 214 - 215 are a good example) and hope you would do the same.

Though that initial gutscumread is gone and is now replaced with a town read.

And that wagon on DW NEEDS TO DIE.

↑ CSL wrote:Okay. I've read the threads now. If anyone needs death, it's DeltaWave.

Unvote; Vote: Delta

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

No comprende. This is the bottom of page 8.

Whoa! Someone thinks I'm scum. happy days! :3

I'll get something tangible up sometime tonight. For now food time, then pants time, followed by some light calisthenics.

Amrun? wrote:-Korlash's response is scummy. "If you call me scum based on speculation, I'll call YOU scum based on speculation." "Grow up and vote who I want you to vote." It's manipulative, illogical, and one of the scummiest posts all game.

I do have to ask who I called scum here... I don't remember anyone calling me scum and then me calling them scum back... ever... in the whole game... Was this the DW response? it would be very hard for you to justify you saying I've ever called him scum mate. Or do you mean Lopsy? Also can't remember calling her scum...

↑ Korlash wrote:I have never stooped so low as to assume I knew shit about his role. If you're going to resort to calling me scum based on pure speculation, well... Just be glad I have no intention of turning it around on you because it wouldn't be hard.

This was about Lopsy. You didn't EXACTLY call her scum -- (I misremembered when paraphrasing) -- but the threat isn't very veiled. There are more of them in the post in question. You are extremely condescending to her, undermining her arguments on faulty basis, and implying that if she was and she would vote with you. The veiled threat is this: if you do what I want, I won't attack you, but I COULD, so you better watch your step!

There's absolutely no town motivation in that.

Yep, finished skimming the cache. I'm happy with my current reads for now.

Town (no particular order):
POW WHAM ACTION DAN
DW
iStark
Lopsy
malthusis
Otto von Clark

Null:
MB
IceGuy

Leaning Scum:
Rylai Crestfall
kondi

Scum:
Luckyjt
v2v

I'll get round to reading the current thread later today.