Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

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Then I dunno what you mean

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What does 1781 mean? Do you still think UCT is scum? Does the ATE in 1769 move you at all? Your initial reply was a non-answer

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I'm still voting him too and I'm questioning shit.

I'm not fucking interrogating you I just wanted your opinion.

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fuck it

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I'm fucking trying to stay mad at you dammit

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NS what the fuck honestly.

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sure, fine. Let's say it's between 50 and 60%. That doesn't really alter the plan.

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NS plays like this every game. He's a policy lynch for me through and through.

Definitely want to legitimately lynch Maenara.

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I can't be bothered to snarky response that

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Ok so Maenara is town, NS is probably town.

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buldermar is also probably town due to there were 3 people that called Fe out for flaking and UCT was one of them. I doubt either of the others are scum.

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Yeah we're not lynching Maenara.

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lynch me if you got to but don't ever lynch Maenara.

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although I'm obvtown as fuck but whatever

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lynch me if you got to but don't ever lynch Maenara.

Why not?

At least two sentences. Enlighten me. Go!

One sentence: because that's who the plan to jail last night was.

anyway VOTE: Nacho

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why does that make it likely I'm scum? I think this whole plan thing was pretty fucking pro-town.

Anyway we should win this barring some really shitty stuff. If I gotta die so be it.

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penguin's just LIKELY town. she's not clear cause director's jail could've stopped the kill the night majiffy protected penguin.

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My no lynch list is Majiffy, NS, Maenara, buldermar.

I think that leaves Nacho, KMD, penguin, mollie....am I missing anyone?

I've been second guessing moillie lately, nacho all game, and i've never particularly liked KMD or penguin.

p-edit: seriously NS, stop being dumb.

I'll make this easy:

Hey doctor that doesn't exist fucking counterclaim now so we don't have to go through this shit thanks

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you don't exist? that's sad

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Mostly how he interacted with my plan, and how he interacted with Fe D1.

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same slot, whatever.

are we really doing this popcorn shit? lol.

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Basically you're clear because I told director to jail you if uct flipped scum, which he did.

Now Nacho wants to popcorn lynch, but honestly I'm very interested to hear what you think at this point since you're confirmed.

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Except that you'd probably have ended up lynched if we hadn't done this. It's not terribly beneficial for your game personally, but it really does help the town.

VOTE: Penguin

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UNVOTE:

The more penguin posts the less i like this. Where is half the game?

Sorry nacho.

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penguin's not fighting her lynch, she's not fighting the system we're using, she's just making sure her scumreads get lynched next. This doesn't look like last scum mentality.

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the only thing that makes me hesitate is buldey's read on nacho as scum. and I think kmd is town.

hesitate with what exactly?

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I'm reevaluating the whole game from the ground up and am not voting again until I've done that.

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what does that have to do with the current gamestate?

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1) mollie theres one scum left and you should know this
2) sig bets are against site rules

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More specifically, sig bets used as leverage on a game are against site rules, which is what you are doing.

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and I have to fucking tiebreak this shit don't I?

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I don't really want to lynch either of you.

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penguin's not fighting her lynch, she's not fighting the system we're using, she's just making sure her scumreads get lynched next. This doesn't look like last scum mentality.

Wait, what? We must not be reading the same game.

Explain

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I have an issue with it -- I have to now gauge

1) your previous willingness to do such a thing.
2) your relationship with Mollie in particular. Mollie making you change your sig has a significantly different connotation than me making you change your sig, for example.
3) how much you value your personal space/integrity/whatever.

I mean the damage has been done -- I now want to lynch you less than I did. Everything you do in game should be with your win condition in mind. This violates that principle.

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Penguin is fighting exactly the system we're using and attacking the players in support of it.

Penguin is also not making sure her scumreads get lynched next. For instance, when I asked penguing who he/she wanted lynched next, he/she simply ignored my question despite being on L-1.

No, she's basically said she's resigned to it as long as you or kmd get lynched next (#1906). KMD in particular is fighting the plan and she's attacking him for it, so what are you talking about.

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well, not attacking him FOR it, but she's definitely not attacking people because of the plan.

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For instance, if the bet is a poem that the loser has to write to the winner, you'd have to go over the exact same steps.

And I'd be equally as put off by it.

Why are you making me defend my position here? I said I had a problem with it and I said why.

p-edit: by all means.

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i'm away for like 90 min.

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let's table this discussion till post game.

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gettin' there.

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buldermar before I get into your post does the middle paragraph of 1941 read genuine to you? Her initial thing with there being 2 scum left I initially read as playing dumb. I'm less sure of that now.

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buldermar I'm not going to address any of your responses to penguin -- this is about her right now, not you. We can get into you once we talk more about her.

I think 1887 is a request for an extension so I don't have much to say about it.

I agree with you about 1896 -- this legitimately does look like trying to wave the plan away.

The problem I have with 1906 is that it's just not a very good game plan as scum -- I'd expect scum to continue to fight tooth and nail against this plan because it's the only chance she has. This really looks more like what I think town penguin would do and I can't seem to reconcile that.

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Yeah, it's possible WIFOM. I concede that.

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In a game I played on a different site, she was the GM. In that game I was scum and made an analysis on how many scums there would usually be in a fair game. My analysis predicts that, given the premise that neither faculty has any power abilities, a fair game would consist of a scum faculty of the size of square root N where N is the total amount of players. We were in a 20 player game, so I predicted 4 to 5 scum players (I could have been biased in my analysis because I was scum and knew the answer, but the fact of the matter is that the math is correct). You also have to take into account abilities, but rarely does GM's give only one faculty strong abilities.

mollie told me in a private message that she thought the ratio would be like 1:3 or 1:4 ish normally (as far as I recall), except if she was scum, then it would be 1:6. I think that's what she is referring to in her post, and I certainly don't think we can rule out the possibility that she considered it a possibility with an additional scum.

This isn't really what I mean. I mean, I know exactly how many scum are in this game. I'm sure you do too. Is it feasible at this point in the game that she really doesn't?

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That's fine and an acceptable answer.

VOTE: penguin

I really don't think buldermar is scum.

In case game isn't over, I'm keeping the rest of my reads close to my chest until tomorrow and I'd encourage others to do the same. The popcorn method does not benefit from public read lists and all it does is give scum a road map concerning who to kill.

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I'm pretty sure I hammered

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dude no

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1) first off bulder I'm sorry, I did not mean for that to happen
2) wow I did something right for once
3) I'll post later tonight about why I think outside of game consequences are against the spirit of the game

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oh 4) YAY TOWN

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Ironman can we have scum qt?

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I gotta stop being such a sap. I almost totally blew it.

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Did maj no protect n3?

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Also LOL at mearna bring cleared because the kill went through....
Also it's not even the longest Mini /Open game D:

Lol the best laid plans
Shouldve figured director wouldnt listen to me

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lol the dead thread people wanted to fucking kill me when I unvoted you

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I feel like my scumhunting has gotten progressively worse since I joined.

Remember 397 rach? I cracked that shit open.

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I mean it was mostly in the dead thread, but ya know....still....

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But I'm at the point where I feel like I wanna hydra with someone so someone can point out exactly where I'm fucking up when I erroneously clear people, which I think is my biggest problem these days.

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But I'm at the point where I feel like I wanna hydra with someone so someone can point out exactly where I'm fucking up when I erroneously clear people, which I think is my biggest problem these days.

I think I pointed out exactly where I felt you made erroneous conclusions during the game, in particular with respect to penguin. I don't recall what other reads you had this game.

yeah obviously i mean in a more general sense. I never really got on board with uct or fe as much as i could have

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I feel like my scumhunting has gotten progressively worse since I joined.

Come play at TR, I feel like you'd fit in there. PM me or Mollie.

mollie and kmd

I follow shiny things

Lol'd

totally missed this, but what is TR short for?

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I'll look into it.