Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[Piratecat]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Buldemar

GO GO GO

I LOVE YOU QWINTS!!! YOU SEE IT DON"T YOU!!!

[Piratecat]

Like I said, pretty fucking low, and I really debate the validity of a 1-shot masonizer, as I've stated before.

if slaandar doesn't mason me like he agreed to then he will be the lynch

so that problem is solved

[Piratecat]

Messiah's claim moved them to the scummier pile for me.

why would you not want them to investigate messiah?

We're not talking about me. We're talking about you and why since YOU not having a scum read would want a townie investigated above all.

well if he is in the scummy pile then you will have no problem with him being investigated.

I don't want him investigated. I want YOU investigated,

what I provided was a solution to YOUR apparent problem

goat boy plz help me

[Piratecat]

OK we can either lynch Messiah which I am fine with or everyone pile on Viomi as there is a ton of us around I would prefer the Viomi lynch at this point if we can make it happen and I believe we can.

I am not budging from buldey.

@ borky I understand your hesitance but plz read my case on him in the night round. look at his reactions in the last few pages. he is scum borky.

[Piratecat]

After reading the past dozen or so pages and comprehending as best I can, the Buildermar wagon is the one I've liked best this entire day. That Messiah wagon ended up looking so scum-laden it hurt my eyes. You know who Buildermar reminds me of? Me, when I get all "fast and loose" as a bad guy in a Werewolf game.

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also I am not british. I will explain the spelling later unless venmar let's us have a little bit of twilight time today.

[Piratecat]

that was supposed to be a hug goat boy

[Piratecat]

I better bring it up now: Buldermar's slot is the one I wrote a case for earlier and declared he may very possibly be a PR. He either scum slipped hard early or PR slipped hard.

then why were only reading him at 50/50 earlier and were not exactly opposed to his lynch until it had the potential to grow legs

[Piratecat]

My reading is still the same from earlier.

I don't want to lynch him based on the the potential slip factor.

but you were willing to lynch messiah who is an outed special do you see where I am going with this

[Piratecat]

My reading is still the same from earlier.

I don't want to lynch him based on the the potential slip factor.

but you were willing to lynch messiah who is an outed special do you see where I am going with this

This is as far as I will say about this subject.

so I just want to make this clear

you are 50/50 on buldey as scum or a potential pr

you are suspicious of messiah's claim - can you give a percentage on him?

cos if it is greater than 50/50 why did you vote slaandar earlier?

[Piratecat]

Hes saying my character is minor but there is a huge wall which debates this quite considerably.

Now let's look at the guy who Slandaar claims to be: Lt. Kim, a character who led a squad of four/five - at odds with being a one-shot masoniser - and died very early on in the series. If this game has a masoniser for some reason, I highly doubt it'd be Kim.

I never said he was minor. You are now outright lying to avoid the lynch.
Slandaar wagon, UP AND AWAY

slaandar has a way to clear himself. so no

[Piratecat]

My reading is still the same from earlier.

I don't want to lynch him based on the the potential slip factor.

but you were willing to lynch messiah who is an outed special do you see where I am going with this

This is as far as I will say about this subject.

so I just want to make this clear

you are 50/50 on buldey as scum or a potential pr

you are suspicious of messiah's claim - can you give a percentage on him?

cos if it is greater than 50/50 why did you vote slaandar earlier?

I'm quoting this for later/end-game, because you are an absolute numbskull this game who can't use your noggin for two seconds. I sure do hope you are scum trying to get a last minute lynch in, because what you're doing is anti-town as hell.

lol

can't think of anything to that can you

[Piratecat]

This is legitimately the most goddamn retarded town I have ever had the misfortune to be part of.

then sub out

I will pm you when town wins

[Piratecat]

Well we know KoC is scum that was pretty loltacular.

I think he is just very young and is putting his personal feelings get in the way tbh

I am kindly asking you to not do the same

let us work as a team for the win

[Piratecat]

@ goat boy

why do I slip into british spelling:

from 4th to 8th grade I had the same team teacher cos I was in a gifted class....english) and she was from britain and always made us spell everything in british style. it has just always stuck on some things.

I bet you will be the first to spot the irony of this which will give insight into my SOH

[Piratecat]

To use AP town logic:

~Buldermar is probably going against popular opinion and making himself appear awful while doing so, Scum probably wouldn't do that and willfully gain negative attention on himself. There, he is probably town.~

I am moving my vote to Messiah. Everyone who wants to NL can just go ahead and do that.

VOTE: Messiah

I think it is sweet the way that you are trying to save buldey whom you supposedly only have a 50/50 read on

You're just jealous because you're in love with me.

quick! majiffy isn't around

you know what to do

[Piratecat]

Jal, what do I have to do to convince you to vote Piratecat with me?

You aren't voting PC so wtf are you talking about.

It's not too late to get a PC lynch. Anyone not inclined to vote one of the claimed players should move to PC now.

I wasn't supporting a Slandaar wagon to begin with and I believe Messiah's claim so he's out. I have no idea what the push on Buldermar is based on.

PC and Viomi are only two I'd support. I'm around all morning. I think we have less than 2 or 3 hours left.

^^^ third scum spotted

town has an effective way of dealing with me that does not include a lynch

it will clear me

but good try

Stop acting like you're this stupid. You having a conversation over night with a self-proclaimed Mason doesn't make you town - it just means that if he confirms you, you're confirmed once we know for sure that he's town.

a mason can only mason town you dummy

[Piratecat]

Jal, what do I have to do to convince you to vote Piratecat with me?

You aren't voting PC so wtf are you talking about.

It's not too late to get a PC lynch. Anyone not inclined to vote one of the claimed players should move to PC now.

I wasn't supporting a Slandaar wagon to begin with and I believe Messiah's claim so he's out. I have no idea what the push on Buldermar is based on.

PC and Viomi are only two I'd support. I'm around all morning. I think we have less than 2 or 3 hours left.

^^^ third scum spotted

town has an effective way of dealing with me that does not include a lynch

it will clear me

but good try

Stop acting like you're this stupid. You having a conversation over night with a self-proclaimed Mason doesn't make you town - it just means that if he confirms you, you're confirmed once we know for sure that he's town.

a mason can only mason town you dummy

This is incorrect.

no

it isn't

[Piratecat]

VOTE: Pirate

We can try but it won't happen

Viomi should have been an easy compromise lynch but for some reason never took off.

so you have a chance to clear me but won't do it now after you agreed to it? am I getting this right here?

[Piratecat]

it is called a one shot neighboriser

[Piratecat]

KoC

if slaandar is scum he will have to come into the thread saying I am town in order to support his claim

[Piratecat]

it is called a one shot neighboriser

Wat?

masons - town
neighboriser - mixed alignment

slaandar is claiming mason but the scum equivalent is scum neighboriser

[Piratecat]

I don't think you are town. Which part don't you get?

If you are lynched I will target someone else. Not that its actually going to happen.

we get to spend a whole night round together I can't wait!!!!

xpost - @ jal nope

[Piratecat]

the scum equivalent to town masonizer is nothing

you explained it better than I could

don't get weird on me borky

[Piratecat]

Other than you're lying because we aren't scum. Did you target us or someone else?
Either way if you're lying about your actions as a whole you're dead D3 right? Due to the whole lynch all liars.

[Piratecat]

Cute Qwints that's adorable. Why don't you sheep someone who's lying.
^ Same can now go for Fitz.

Anyone even want to comment on the two deaths? I'm going to say Mastin and Ap were right about their lists or they were killed because of the whole creating a town block.

Slandaar is for sure scum and possibly Messiah too?
Messiah did you target anyone last night? If so who was your result?

[Piratecat]

I'm talking to Mollie right now about the deaths since they just put a wrench in what we were thinking.

You guys stupidy are going to quicklynch D2 and be fucken screwed D3 because you GOT ZERO information out of it because you didn't bother to talk or do anything but vot someone who WILL turn up town.

[Piratecat]

Jiffy is probably scum due to a meta tell that Mollie showed me yesterday. We are probably wrong on Buld.

Messiah? Anything on your action?

[Piratecat]

VOTE: Slandaar

Cause I'm on my phone rather then my computer. Only way I can vote is if I quote and delete everything near it >.> which is too much effort when I'm sick

Two teams or a SK. Going with probably two teams.

Messiah you're being shadow-like and that does bother me.

Yes Fitz because that's a great example of why scum love to leave a ton of suscipion townies alive because they get an easy D# lynch.

[Piratecat]

He's still lying because we are town. If the mafia have some stupid annoying ability to make someone appear guilty for a night or so - imma be pissed.

Two kills. I don't think it was a vig and I'm not really seeing a SK. Although the whole speculation was Mollie not me.

[Piratecat]

Slandaar is more likely to be scum then Messiah.

I noticed that Mollie claimed. We are VT and our name is Private Clayton Carmine.

Slandaar, when I went through your ISO to get your character name I noticed you said the hydra is scum because I'm quiet. I'm normally not really outspoken on Day 1 you were just trying to use that to your advantage to sling more suscipion towards our way.

Slandaar didn't even want to flavor claim when AP asked him too. Now knowing AP is a flavour cop that makes me wonder even more.

[Piratecat]

Wonder what?

Are you trying to say you think scum knew AP was hinting at being a flavor cop and scum Slandy & Co killed him based on this? Also, no one else claimed flavour when asked.

No. I am more concerned with why he was so hesitant to claim when AP asked both him and Messiah to claim. It was obvious that AP was trying to slowly nudge the town into a possible scenario that didn't involve a NL when he asked Slandaar that. Slandaar refused, but so did Messiah.

All of a sudden Slandaar comes out with masonizer. With PS btw Slandaar; I have been a masonizer before, but it was a specific masonizer where I needed to find two people. So when Mollie kept telling me he didn't masonize us because we didn't get a PM with a notification I told her I didn't get it until the next Day began and then didn't get to talk to him until the following Night. Once Daybreak opened and Slandaar said that he didn't masonize with us; I knew he was lying due to us being town.

There is though one other scenario and I'm hoping Slandaar comes back into the thread.

~~

Who the fuck is EM, AN?

[Piratecat]

Get the answer from the mod yet Slandaar?

[Piratecat]

@Goat:

We barely discussed it because I have been super busy due to classes and work. We don't use a QT to communicate, but use Skype. I normally only Skype off my phone since I don't use my computer that often. Half of her messages I get are terribly delayed due to an invisible status as phones hate communicating with someone who it thinks is offline, but they aren't.

Anyways, from what I have seen of large games and themed large games - it tends to be multiball. We weren't the first person to bring up multiball, but we caught onto it.

When I was looking up Slandaar's name last night - I thought I saw something that looks like a second team, but then realized that the person might just be a non important locust name.

The most important thing I learned from other games is expect the unexpected. Don't rule anything out unless its proven it can't happen.

@KoC:
You seem to maybe play GoW. Do you think there can be two scum teams? Or anyone else who knows/plays it?

[Piratecat]

Sheep moar Buld?

Have you seen that Messiah's claim basically counter claims Slandaar's claim. Slandaar hasn't even nudged towards it other than calling anyone who calls us town scum?

You seem to be doing the same exact tunneling that Slandaae is, but off a meta tell on Mollie while totally disregarding my posts as a whole.

[Piratecat]

I'm going to believe Messiah on this one.

One question to Slandaar though: Is your "negative result" actually you not getting a mason qt thing but nothing else? You made it seem like you'd actually get a result back.

Only reason I was holding out on Bulder yesterday because it looked like he may have hinted at being cop. He obviously isn't and probably not a PR in general either.

P-edit: I'll read response later. Someone is whining about my typing.

If you're going to believe Messiah, why isn't your vote on Slandaar, yet?

[Piratecat]

I can pretty much confirm that PirateCat is town. Just keep that in mind if I'm killed/lynched - thanks.

What?

Just before you kept calling us scum and now we are confirmed town?

What.the.hell?

@KoC: answer my post pls <3

[Piratecat]

This.

You seem to maybe play GoW. Do you think there can be two scum teams? Or anyone else who knows/plays it?

Buld - why isn't your vote on Slandaar? If you say you can confirm us to be town?

[Piratecat]

not that anybody listens to me but here it is

if slaandar flips scum there are 2 teams I think. there is a reason scum slaandar played a gambit like that; it was cos he thought we were on the other scum team and that he would get some cred with our lynch. too bad he misjudged and we are town! lol

wasn't it the guy that buldey replaced the one who brought up multi-ball? I bet he was giving a shout out. he soft-claimed yesterday - he and jal both did. scum know about the other due to how small there team would be. it would explain why everyone looked scummy when you count in the specials (specials always look scummy to me unless they drop a special tell which is why I hunt for them like mad).

uber guile is for sure scum omg you dummies are going to let him win again aren't you. thinking majiffy is his partner. buldey and jal are somehow all tangled up in that as well.

I think nero is town and people probably should listen to him. best post in thread is 1829. there was def scum who stayed away from the fiasco yesterday. oh and mac's post to jal was a huge slip. let me go find it.

[Piratecat]

here we go:

mac said this to jal in post #1626

I'm not even trying to highlight suspicion on you, but you vote Messiah because you feel Slandaar is town, correct? You also list him in a list of scum, correct? And then you flirt with the idea of me or qwints DESPITE no votes on either of us (if I recall correctly) and then you get overly aggressive because I DARE QUESTION YOUR POSSIBLE VOTE!!!! Of course I'm going to question it,

you can think your scum all you like

but you've had days to decide whether or not to vote me/qwints and NOW you start toying with the idea of another wagon?

best tactic when there 2 teams is to shout out to the other team so you can work together to cull the numbers.

hope this helps town.

[Piratecat]

@Mac: Really?

That's why you are voting us? We are town if its single-ball and still town even if its Multi-ball. I think you are grasping at straws to even vote us. I did have a strong town read on Jal and I was trying to get her on my level to work with her on a block, but she wasn't cooperating that well.

Also that whole Mollie theory is basically thrown out since Slandaar did not have a neighboriZer role. He was trying to bide himself another Day.

@Cyro is likely town.

@CG: Why didn't you vote Slandaar even though you thought I was town? Both of you aren't playing to your town meta and this worries me.

[Piratecat]

Yeah; I'm down with a Mac lynch.

VOTE: mac

[Piratecat]

Not sure really because I'm conflicted. Meta wise he's town, but he's been against us from Day 1 and we have been his main suspect.
I did not like how he disregarding Messiah's result, but ignored us even though it was OBVIOUS that Slandaar was lying and still wanted to lynch us.

He's probably scum in my mind, but not sure if Mollie agrees or disagrees.

~~

Yes, Buld, please explain to me how a VT can magically ninja to visit you?

~~~

Don't out the name Messiah because chances are it's a PR.

~~~

I'm also starting to think Buld is just ignoring our posts because how could he have missed Mollie's posts where she said 'Hey are at VT'.

[Piratecat]

The fact we didn't breadcrumb anything. So no, I really did think his unvote was basically due to Messiah's claim and not anything we did. Though I questioned him about it and did think it was odd his vote wasn't on Slandaar.

[Piratecat]

Yeah; UN is barely doing anything, but attack a post by Slandaar.<-(During Day 2)

I don't even know where you guys stand in terms of reads. The us being town was the only read you have given out recently.

It was pretty damning evidence that he was lying through his teeth. His whole claim was really bogus, but the fact he claimed to have targetted us, but then said 'oh hey guys they are scum'.

I don't think Messiah is scum unless him and Slandaar did some awesome gambit here.

[Piratecat]

@Buld:

How did you miss this post?

[Piratecat]

not that anybody listens to me but here it is

if slaandar flips scum there are 2 teams I think. there is a reason scum slaandar played a gambit like that; it was cos he thought we were on the other scum team and that he would get some cred with our lynch. too bad he misjudged and we are town! lol

wasn't it the guy that buldey replaced the one who brought up multi-ball? I bet he was giving a shout out. he soft-claimed yesterday - he and jal both did. scum know about the other due to how small there team would be. it would explain why everyone looked scummy when you count in the specials (specials always look scummy to me unless they drop a special tell which is why I hunt for them like mad).

uber guile is for sure scum omg you dummies are going to let him win again aren't you. thinking majiffy is his partner. buldey and jal are somehow all tangled up in that as well.

I think nero is town and people probably should listen to him. best post in thread is 1829. there was def scum who stayed away from the fiasco yesterday. oh and mac's post to jal was a huge slip. let me go find it.

part of me thinks PC could be scum here. I think it was Jal who floated the idea of scum talking about stuff they know as though they are guessing the set-up and I think this is what PC is doing here in the bolded. it's such a far-fetched idea. notice the use of "if Slandaar flips scum" when he's bullshitting about masonizing her, if she's town she would know he'll flip scum but if she's on a different team, she wouldn't know.

then there's the bullshit "huge slip" I made which was a clear as day typo, that's trying to link me and Jal. Jal flipped town, does that change anything PC?

VOTE: PirateCat

jesus christ give it up

[Piratecat]

Right, so forget about the bus driver/redirector stuff.

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

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I'd like to lynch Mac. Pretty sure he's scum.

vote: Mac

He was one of the people that shitvoted me to counter the D1 Slandaar wagon, he lurked noticeably (his name being displayed on the bottom as browsing 3-4 times that I saw) during the period of time that Slandaar claimed to receive a negative result on PirateCat and conveniently avoided taking any sides, and then he posted IMMEDIATELY after I outed my watcher result and tried to discredit me for holding the result back.

This is pretty obvious.

I noticed that too. he stayed away from the d1 end of day shit show as well. but I am pretty sure buldey is scum. and it warms the cockles of my heart that everyone else is starting to come around!

also uber guile uber guile uber guile. <------ he thinks he is being sneaky with his sneaking around but we are onto him!

[Piratecat]

I saw someone visit Buldermar. I don't know that it would be beneficial to reveal who it was though? We have quite a few dead/outed power-roles already, but I'm open to other opinions on the matter.

I think everyone here can figure out that it probably was PirateCat.

wat

we are vt

you are not even paying attention are you

[Piratecat]

Yes, Buld, please explain to me how a VT can magically ninja to visit you?

If you're a VT then it was someone else.

no way!

[Piratecat]

It looks like he unvoted because of my result in 1980, but in 1981 I think he was clarifying that he had just noticed the supposed innocent investigation crumb and that is actually why he unvoted. Is that accurate, Buldermar?

And considering he did it in a post where Mollie was

talking about your result

, I find this whole situation just bizarre. I also don't like the fact that buldermar says since PC just made a vague "crumb" (which she claims herself was not one) instead of claiming something makes it somehow more likely to come from town.

p-edit: I agree that Messiah is probably town just based on how the whole thing with Slandaar went down.

I thought it was a crumb at the time and I still think it easily could have been, but I obviously know it wasn't at this point. You're suggesting that I deliberately pretended to be thinking that it was a crumb - for what purpose exactly? What is the scum motivation for doing so?

I don't see how you could have seen it as a crumb when I said the change in our read was predicated on jal being town. that "breadcrumb" was us visiting the possibility that you might be town. I still you incredibly scummy, like dripping in pondscum scummy and I have thought so since d1. your case on us was terrible and you have been opportunistic as hell with your votes so fuck ya you are scum.

[Piratecat]

Also, I've hydra'd with Uber several times before and he was very consistent in neglecting the hydra every time, to some extent. (And so was I, so no offense intended to him obv.)

If that's why people are suspicious of the CG hydra I'd suggest they rethink their reasoning.

it is not just the lack of posts it is the content in them as well.

[Piratecat]

UNVOTE:

Evidence points to PC being town despite her flip flopping around on me a bit.

I think good votes are Viomi, AN or havingfitz. moreso the first two than fitz.

... How could evidence not lead to that conclusion? Slandaar hardcored tunneled us. Slandaar tried to put a fake guilty on us to lynch us during Day 2. Messiah CC'd that result and we were CC'ing way before Messiah came into play.

It's pretty damning we are town.

~~

I was looking into GiF and realized he was Buld's slot pred. GiF feels scummish to me, but that's due to him asking about flavor and not knowing Locust are bad guys. At least in my flavour PM it mentions Locust which makes me think that the flavour PM of GiF is different and possibly not allied to the Locust. Unless he was just trying to confuse us. >.>

Then we have the talk of the SK regarding cop which felt a bit out of place because a Miller is not a SK, but a Miller is a town who comes up guilty.

I have got to talk this over with Mollie.

@Buld:

Can you paraphrase your flavour without breaking mod rules?

[Piratecat]

OMG FUCK.

Not allied to the COG. ^

[Piratecat]

We were NOT the first person to bring it up.

[Piratecat]

buldey I hate it when we fight too but the kiss but make up afterwards will be great!

supposedly you were reading the game close ennough to form a terribad terri terri terribad meta case on me on d1 but only finding mala's scummy did you forget about all this already

I don't have any overriding scum or town feelings towards Buldermar, but I sure as hell know I don't want him near endgame with the amount of circuituous, highly flawed logic her brings to this game.
Sadly, the alternative to taking him there is taking one of our many lurkers.

I don't understand what you are saying here could you plz rephrase it

[Piratecat]

Only reason I was holding out on Bulder yesterday because it looked like he may have hinted at being cop. He obviously isn't and probably not a PR in general either.

Anyone else think Jal tracked Buldemar N1 and got no result?

YES!

doesn't mean he isn't scum though

[Piratecat]

.. How could evidence not lead to that conclusion? Slandaar hardcored tunneled us. Slandaar tried to put a fake guilty on us to lynch us during Day 2. Messiah CC'd that result and we were CC'ing way before Messiah came into play.

Aren't y'all the ones who originally suggested mutli-ball? I could totally see scum-Slandaar faking a guilty on a player he thought was scum on the other side.

no, it was either gif or ang who was asking about it.

I know you guys never read my posts but I said that it looked like a shout out yesterday. and yes I think that slaandar was banking on that we were scum. lol, we aren't.

[Piratecat]

PirateCat, Goat,

Slandaar

, havingfitz, Buldermar

I'm feeling town on Goat.

Still up in the air on PC, so that probably means scum

.

If you idiots aren't willing to lynch Buldermar, can we settle for Fitz? He's a little scumbutt too.

and this is why I think

you

are scum cos town majiffy would have figured it out by now!

eta: buldey stop ninja-ing me!

[Piratecat]

...because of the chance of 2 scum teams? or have we just completely forgotten about that? I know there was only one kill n2 but surely that's hinting at doc protection of some sort?

it begs the question: why would Slandaar (scum) tunnel so fucking hard on townPC if he didn't suspect that a) there was another scum team and b) PC was scum? and then fakeclaim some shit that put PC is jeopardy until Messiah disproved it. Slandaar, as much as his cases may not make sense, is not an idiot.

@Messiah: I read back, there are more scummier people. I still have doubts about them though.

Viomi has offered absolutely zero content in her posts so far. The only town like thing she has done was vote Slandaar. Which makes me lean towards an AN vote.

VOTE: AN

amazing...

this is what I said at the end of d2 and yet you still came into the game and voted us! lol

[Piratecat]

Is anyone else feeling how terrible Mac's unvote of PC is? And that he didn't even put a vote on anyone else until a little later? I feel like I'm in some bizzarro universe.

Mac, you were suspicious of PC because of the 2 scum team thing, and you're suspicious of Viomi because of the lack of content? Do you have any real scumreads based on anything substantial?

no! it is terrible! this is why I am good with either a mac OR buldey lynch

[Piratecat]

No, Buld, the flavour which is the little tiny paragraph after the name. GiF was confused and he had to read his PM before reading the flavor. How many times does it mention Locust? Does it name anything else that could be considered something other then the CoG or the Locust?

[Piratecat]

You know I'm going to literally stab the next person that calls us scum. If it's not multi-ball we are town as Slandaar wouldn't have tried to push a guilty on his own team member. If it's multi-ball we are STILL town regardless of who the other team is. I'm starting to think no one listens to us.

I'm asking questions regarding Multi-ball because if it is Multi-ball.. We need all the information we can get rather then none from people's flavours.

[Piratecat]

Then it's Jiffy.

I mean you Bacde has been really non-helpful all game. Trying to lynch one of the most town players we have which was Messiah. Obvious that Slandaar was caught in a lie and you were still pushing for his lynch even though he claimed his result.

FUN FACT:

Your hey what's up, I'm still alive - is something I would do after a few kills happened to pretend I had NOTHING to do with them even though I did have something to do with them.

~~

Also your vote is STILL on Messiah even though everyone commented on what you obviously missed. So either you're scum pretending not to know jack shit or you are a really unhelpful town member who doesn't want to bother to read, but pretend like they know something to see if they can get people to sheep them.

Now, I'm going to class - so adios!

[Piratecat]

Yes, but that was due to the whole Messiah thing and last day.

[Piratecat]

Still believe Mac is scum. He's freaking out over the current wagon forming on him.

I do also like Bacade or whatever for scum too. Two good choices I'm opening to lynching atm.

[Piratecat]

I don't see any Buldermar scumminess really, you'll have to explain that to me.

PirateCat is welcome to share their thoughts there too. Goatperson too, I suppose

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Qwints definitely seems scummy, but I want to leave him alone for now.

As much as I hate to say it, AN is super scumtastic and Mac's point on him earlier was good, and I would absolutely love to lynch Viomi.

messiah are you going to listen to me? like for realz?

my case on buldey is similar to why I thought slaandar was scum. buldey is a very logical, very strong player. he usually makes sense. are you seeing that here?

I know you are in love with a mac lynch but plzplzplzplz vote buldey. I have played tons of games with him and I am telling you he is scum. I was right about slaandar will you plz just trust me one more time.

VOTE: buldemar

tomorrow vote uber guile

[Piratecat]

HEY EVERYONE LET"S LYNCH BULDEY!!!!

give me a B:

B

give me a U:

U

give me an L:

L

give me a D:

D

give me an E:

E

give me a Y:

Y

vooooooote buldey!

[Piratecat]

I was right about slaandar will you plz just trust me one more time.

VOTE: buldemar

You mean

I

was right about Slandaar, just like

I

will be right about buldermar?

nono

nononono

I called buldey scummy on d1 and you called me scummy for it and buddied up to him. other people may have early onset alzheimer's and not remember things correctly, I however, do not.

and yeah you pegged slaandar first but my reasons were better

[Piratecat]

lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

[Piratecat]

lol

buldey I know you are grinning as you type all of this out you scummy little scummery scumscum you.

you got your hand caught in the cookie jar

You're mistaking. Like I've said previously, I don't lose games as scum. You're best off lynching me when you can't find a single reason to do so, not when you think there is a trillion of reasons. This is because I'm well capable of manipulating you succesfully. In this game, I havn't really done anything to live up to my reputation as town, I know that. But I also have made a lot of mistakes that I would have never made had I been scum.

If you want to, you can ask me questions now. I'll answer them carefully and detailed. I'll reread things to do so. It's entirely up to you, but I don't think you really have anything to lose from it.

I'm sorry that I havn't really been taking this game seriously and that I havn't done much to contribute. I do have excuses, but that's besides the point.

Your defence is "I don't lose as scum and you want to lynch me here so clearly I'm not scum"?
Really?

My defence against what? I'm still waiting for the reasons why I'm considered scum. The fact that I do not lose as scum is nothing but that - a fact. I'll defend myself once I understand why people think I'm scum, aside from the fact that I've been trolling and I havn't been following the game carefully and I have been lying. For what it's worth, all of these are not alignment indicative as the more experienced players in this game will know.

the only reason you won the game I gmed on tr is cos raven or I weren't playing. we would have lynched for the sheer amount of kill tells you and nacho kept dropping.

[Piratecat]

buldey tell me a story....

tell me how scummy you thought I was again. and how it was based on meta

[Piratecat]

buldey tell me a story....

tell me how scummy you thought I was again. and how it was based on meta

Alright, I'll explain my thoughts as I remember them now without reading back (and I can additionally look back in the thread and re-explain things if you wish).

In the beginning of the game, you made a lot of scum reads and no town reads (this is verifiable by ISO'ing you; I suggest anyone who thinks I'm lying about this do so). Generally speaking, scum benefits from not getting "locked into" town reads early on. On the other hand, it's very advantageous for scum to keep all doors open by reading players as null/leaning this and that/scum. This was my first main reason for thinking you'd be scum.

After this reason we had a lot of debate about this, and I thought your reaction was unlike what I have previously seen from you. However, at the time I didn't pay attention to when a post was from you and when it was from mala (now I identify the difference by capitalized letters or lack thereof). It may be that I've misread your reaction because it really wasn't yours.

Obviously, I'm now fairly certain that you're town based on Messiah (it was him, right?) investigating you as such.

Does it answer your question?

sort of. as reasonable as you are trying to make yourself sound you are still scum