Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

my amount of devotion and focus to this game has been hilariously terrible and given that a new week started I have lost hope in myself

Can I just sheep someone?


Pitoli: I didn't like how she said fery looked town for paranoia but never really did anything to dismantle her lynch. I also dislike her behavior in d1 concerning lynches--she waffled on almost all the controversial ones, avoided pitoli and her wagon entirely for most of the day, and settled for...well, Nero. The easiest mislynch in MS history.

I also don't like how she popcorned syryana before lurker. Why Syr, she's so incredibly town at this point?

I really didn't get as much out of flavor as I hoped, but I'm feeling like I could be swayed to a SD lynch given that he's the odd one out.

Buldermar: Is there any specific reason why you took so long to claim your rolename?

Syr just pick a sensible target I'll sheep, I'm sorry I'm being useless but

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Stuff:

Yes, because assuming big flavor names are PRs worked out so nicely for fery
Syr, what did you find suspicious about pitoli?
I popcorned Buldermar because he had no flavor knowledge and if he was scum that would be the only way I would be catching him
Yes Buldermar, you did take a long time to claim. You did a burst of posts...stopped halfway (never before) and then came back the next day to claim. You guys can go check it if you want

You know what, I'm just going to PoE my way to victory here

VOTE: Lurker

If you want me to replace out I can/will.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And yes, Syr, if my alignment was town yesterday my alignment is also town today.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Alright, here's my beef with orc. As you said, he switched his read on both you and SD at the start of the day. He somehow figured out SD was the neighbor of Nero almost as soon as the Day started. He equally quickly blew the Nero NK onto you and off of SD, because "why would SD kill neighbor lololol". He hasn't mentioned SD since, even though SD claimed the scummiest rolename in the game thus far (Zoe Graystone was a Caprica character, not a BSG character). He scumreads pitoli and has ignored repeated requests to give out his read on her until #1085, where he gave a half-assed read based on waffling and her popcorn choice. I also really don't like his "I'm busy, sorry guys, I'll just sheep Syr". I don't buy this after his D1 frenzy with buld/fery, nor do I think town orcinus swarmed by games would just stop giving a shit about one of them. I think he's civic minded enough to replace out if that really were the case (yes it's subjective, but it's a vibe I've got). I also distrust his "syr is obvtown, I'll sheep him" because I'm a paranoid bastard.

I didn't understand the Nero nightkill and I still don't, and that threw me off on Buldermar completely. I've only been in two games with a NK as off as that--both times, the obvtown player was scum. Which makes sense, because you kill someone who impacts the game the least if you're obvtown

J said that I would be willing to vote SD based on role claim (I think I did or at least I meant to)

Why WOULD SD kill neighbor? And miller town+scum neighbor just doesn't make sense

Yes I scumread pitoli. Do you have something to say about this?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Read in above post is past tense. I don't anymore.

I think I'm going to assume Buldermar town for a bit, even though the Nero NK implicated him heavily. I would be open to a SD lynch based in everything.

For neighbor, I have an excellent memory of game events. Remembering neto's awk talks about sd wasn't hard

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yep

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What exactly is this case on mala? I'm not very good at reading right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Buldermar won't like this

"Reread"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

[orcinus_theoriginal]

As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

You won't like me then. You're scum.
VOTE: pitoli

I have my reasons for this, which involve pitoli/me ISO and I will disclose in due course. I want to see orc's reasons first though.

You can do this first

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hi buldermar what do you think about all this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

newb town with good intentions mostly but i wouldn't be opposed

Honestly, Pitoli/Lurker/SD go today and I feel like it's an even chance of hitting scum in all three. Just lynch through that pile until victory because you, me, and buld are all town.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh wait malakittens

that doesn't work

let me think

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Buld/Syr:

Who's your 'strongest' town read in pit/lurk/sd/mala

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

Does this strike you as odd? (you sort of have to view the posts to see what i'm talking about, it's the time gap between buld read my request for a massclaim and the time when he actually posted, I find it very suspicious)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Buldermar/lurker

Esp given buldermar's focus on Nero over lurker

Nero was a buld NK

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I freely admit my case on buld is shit. sheep me onto the lynch we should've made d1 then.

As in where is it, or why did I end up retracting it?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay

I want to keep fery around for a bit longer because I feel like I can read her better given maybe one more day's data

I feel like we shouldn't lynch fery unless we're convinced beyond doubt

This isn't because I have unrealistic expectations of fery. But with players like Nero and lurker in the game, it's going to be very hard for us to win this game if we mislynch active players

Personally I think my own flavor is bullshit so I won't call fery out on it

I don't know what I think of fery's role right now. I'll figure it out later.

But my thought still stands that with shitty trolls like Nero and lurker, we should put a vote there today given fery's protown behavior in the last few pages

I hate people calling out pitoli for 517, she said it was a quick note before she went to bed and I think calling her out for it is opportunistic as fuck

Syryana is probably the same alignment as fery

Honestly speaking fery: how much is the interest of self preservation screwing with your reads right now?

VOTE: Lurker

I feel like we want to policy lynch today and maybe tomorrow will be more productive because I have no freaking clue who anyone is anymore.

I have buldermar town, fery as DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT, Syryana completely dependent on Fery's alignment, the rest all varying levels of lean scum

If we're going to PL I'd rather lurker over Nero

Nero actually looks like he's been trying (more do than his other games). I think Lurker will be flat out impossible to read. That and I don't like how lurker has been flying under the radar and Nero getting the PL flak when from an objective standpoint lurker is probably a more defendable PL target

Your pitoli argument also applies to Nero jsyk.

SD needs to go back to null I think

Pedit sure

Lets just clear up where I stand on the whole fery situation and why I don't want her lynch today

If nothing changes, I want fery gone at some point in time. I think she's scummy. Less so than before.

I am, however, unwilling to lynch fery unless I am 100% sure or unless we're heading into lylo or something. This is because of several reasons.

Firstly, keeping fery around gives me a better read not just on her, but also, in the event that she's scum, on other players.

Secondly, we have several players right now that we simply just cannot read. We CANNOT read lurker. We can BARELY read Nero. Bacon is VLA. SD has intellectual lapses.

We need to lynch in lurker and Nero today because we have no way of determining their alliance, no way of ascertaining anything from their posts. This is not true for fery.

Lurker and Nero WILL be lynched at some point in time. Given thei lack of usefulness of their posts, it's best that that lynch happens today

fuck you all

i think this is a bad vote

and when ff flips town i will hate all of you

please let me be wrong

VOTE: fery

well no actually

i think there is a decent chance of fery flipping scum

i just don't think that this is the correct vote for the day

so yeah actually i'm good with this

Your memory is not too good.

The entirety of my basis of my brief spin on pitoli was based on her avoidance of the fery wagon, her popcorn of Syryana, and her nero vote. Actually, I hate everyone who voted nero and not lurker.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I also don't like how she popcorned syryana before lurker. Why Syr, she's so incredibly town at this point?

This is bullshit. When you started the popcorn you should have explained the order you wished it to go in, and at least conferred with other players about the order. If the intent was to go from the most scummy -> least scummy then why did you start with Buldermar instead of me if I'm your suspect ATM?

But then this read incredibly noobtown to me and I'm thinking she just legitimately didn't think it over.

The popcorn thing was after I scumread Pitoli today, so I was mostly in a tailspin because of her treatment of the fery wagon. But I thought it relevant to bring up.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

You won't like me then. You're scum.
VOTE: pitoli

I have my reasons for this, which involve pitoli/me ISO and I will disclose in due course. I want to see orc's reasons first though.

You can do this first

Going back through pitoli ISO...

Got a bad vibe off her early with the terrible RVS wagon comment. The responses she gave afterwards lessened my scumread on her, though looking back now she makes a point to mention she's newbtown in #232, which as of my latest experience has been more of a scumtell than a towntell. Waffles on the fery wagon, pulls a scumread on me when I changed my mind about fery being scum. Waffles on voting me after calling me scum.

I don't like her #576 where she says she didn't know SD was FoSing her. It just kinda comes off as "lol I'm a silly noob ignore me" post.

Blablabla, suddenly she has a scumread on SD. Hmm. More fluff later, she votes Nero. Well, so much for the waffling.

Fluff, fluff, fluff. Then HOLY SHIT #968.

As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

I don't think Orc whiteknighted anyone... It seemed like yesterday him/Buldermar had some sort of functional coalition to decide who to lynch, but that's far from saying he whiteknighted him or even thought him obvtown.

Nero ISO makes her town? Where the hell did she get this from? Nobody was talking about her being town with Nero ISO.

Then Mala BS. This chick is way scummier than I remembered after going all paranoid on Orc.

VOTE: pitoli

RVS comment: okay.
Lessen: Okay. Saying that you're newbtown is alignment-null.
Fery wagon; Yes, that.
Scumread: it's okay i thought you were scum too, causation isn't established here.
Your questions also were pretty terrible (695)
Voting you: I don't remember this which is weird, can you quote it?
SD: Everyone had a fucking scumread on SD, he just replaced in. This is bad.
Nero: 721 was pretty tongue in cheek lol
968: Townie for suspecting people who are townreading her--that's not what scum does. I think she just misread, which wouldn't be surprising.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm giving Mala a scum lean for making weird statements, taking them back, and generally being all over the place.
But not sure if voting her while technically V/LA is alright.

Funny that you would mention this now that I've just declared my intentions of voting Mala as opposed to mentioning it at any time prior to this. And funny how similar your reason looks to the one I gave.

Excellent point.

Pedit: Buld, Bill Adama is the biggest baddest m-fer in the whole show. If Mala really is him, she's a town PR.

Err... by that logic, shouldn't Ffery have been a PR too? And maybe even Buld could be one.

I don't understand why Orc as scum would want to suddenly stop giving a frak, I mean after Day 1 ended it looked like he had enough power to lead next day's lynch.

I also heavily endorse the first post, and the second is her not OMGUSing

I think Pitoli can join my town pile

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Which part of that seems unnatural?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You really need to be more specific

Are you accepting the rest of my comments and just zoning in on this minor point now btw?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

vote lurker

[orcinus_theoriginal]

There's way too many pages to catch up so I'm just prod-dodging. Sorry, should have done it last night but got distracted. Should have time tonight.

I can't wait to hear your latest slew of insults. I hope you have some good ones prepared!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Both of you shhhhhh right now

We're all town here

Lurker->SD->Malakittens

Victory

Go.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes, I most

certainly

am lining up lynches.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What exactly is your read on me because I'm just confused now

I meant that you had never stopped in the middle of a catchup before, and the one time you did just happens during flavorclaim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok I trust you

(Maybe)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh mine is Lurker>Mala>SD>Pitoli

SD is before pit because wtf claim, but can go after Mala because I see what you mean with the neighbors

I've yet to be scum on site so I don't know

Yeah I admitted that I had a shit case on you. Basically I figured that if you were scum you already won because literally I cannot find jack shit to build a case on you with, short of fake claiming a cop or something.

So I'm just going to assume you're town now.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nowhere, but the two flips so far certainly imply it.

We'll have two more flips tonight and Syr and I (one of us has to be alive) can do some BSG Mumbo jumbo and see if we can pull anything. But what we've learned so far:
Flavor is not indicative of role (Starbucks)
Flavor may be indicative of alignment (Starbucks, Gaius being a miller town)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What exactly is your read on me because I'm just confused now

I meant that you had never stopped in the middle of a catchup before, and the one time you did just happens during flavorclaim

Maybe I havn't done it in this game before (or maybe I have, I don't recall), but I've done it in other games.

I'm going to do a bit of self-meta now - just so you're warned.
I can say that if I were scum, I'd have figured out a convincing fake flavor claim as soon as I realized that we might be doing flavor claims at some early point in the game (maybe as soon as ff started talking about how she could not be X because of Y). Additionally, if this game is based on flavor with limited amounts of available names (you can probably confirm/disconfirm this for me), the most likely scenario is that AP provided safeclaims for scum to avoided scum being caught in either lack of flavor knowledge or claiming a flavor role that someone else actually has (and if AP didn't, I'm inclined to think that's quite poor modding).

Actually, I'm going to check if it says anywhere that this game requires flavor knowledge.

This is eerily similar to Fery's post on her claim...

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Basically, SD's is the only claim that doesn't make sense so far.

I feel like Saul Tigh (lurker's claim) is also a bit off-color, but not as obviously

A lurker lynch would supply us with that information

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah lol scum

VOTE: mala

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Will and Zoe are in caprica?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually i have no idea

Just tell us

And then we can lynch whoever comes highest on my list

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You know what

I don't care anymore.

Pitoli, Syryana, Buldermar: Let's town bloc and lynch our way through the remaining player list. I have strong town reads on all three of you and if I am wrong, I will gladly take all the blame for the game's loss. I don't think I am though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pitoli, T->Scum of players not in townbloc

[orcinus_theoriginal]

T->S: SafetyDance, Lurker, Malakittens

I don't feel great about this voting bloc because it didn't work that well for you yesterday. Also because I don't particularly trust Syr.
I'll be honest, I'm willing to follow you on Lurker partly because I feel guilty about having picked the wrong policy yesterday.

1). We didn't have a voting bloc today.
2). Syr is about 500x townier than you.
3). We didn't policy vote yesterday.
4). That's a shitty reason to vote.

Syr, why are you holding up the day, and buld has no BSG knowledge so why...?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If it's about Pitoli putting a nickname in her claim it's weak as hell

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Syryana, I swear to god if you odn't tell me in your next post I'm lynching anyone BUT the targets you specify.

We are also not lynching pitoli today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

T->S: SafetyDance, Lurker, Malakittens

I don't feel great about this voting bloc because it didn't work that well for you yesterday. Also because I don't particularly trust Syr.
I'll be honest, I'm willing to follow you on Lurker partly because I feel guilty about having picked the wrong policy yesterday.

1). We didn't have a voting bloc today.
2). Syr is about 500x townier than you.
3). We didn't policy vote yesterday.
4). That's a shitty reason to vote.

1) As far as I'm concerned, you/ffery/buldermar yesterday was nearly a voting bloc.
2) I hope you're right about him.
3) I didn't say we did.
4) I meant that you were right about Nero, so I'm giving more consideration to lynches you lead from now on.

I'm sorry, this is ridiculous.

We /lynched/ fery.

We

lynched

fery.

How the fuck were we a voting bloc?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You are literally retarded and I'm not taking any of your reads seriously anymore

Hi Buldermar, talk to me about where the lynch is going today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi Buldermar, talk to me about where the lynch is going today

I don't know where the lynch is going today?

Ok

Lurker or mala

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So anyone want to present a case to why I'm a good lynch. Still don't see it.

You're not pitoli, Buldermar, syryana, or me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Look guys

Lynching through Lurker>Malak>SD wins us the game

If we lynch SD we might have to read less of his posts

VOTE: SD

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: Malakittens

I honestly do not care who gets lynched. You, lurker, and SD are being lynched the next 2 days. The order is of no consequence

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You're lining up lynches which is a scum-tell imo. Lurker is a much better vote and lynch overall because he's scummy as all fuck due to not contributing anything worthwhile for two days now.

Why is lining up lynches a scumtell?
why is lurking "scummy as all fuck"--lurking seems like a policy lynch, not SD

ok we can do this now

Syryana/Buldermar/Pitoli lynch this shit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes, I most

certainly

am lining up lynches.

This was your chance to bring up why it was scummy just fyi

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So anyone want to present a case to why I'm a good lynch. Still don't see it.

You're not pitoli, Buldermar, syryana, or me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, lurker is a policy lynch.

SD is not.

Can we just wagon this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Lurker is a policy lynch today for the same reason he was a policy lynch yesterday

Lurker is worth keeping both of you because he doesn't talk so I don't have to reply to so many posts by scum.

SD is not a policy lynch because I have a scumcase on him.

SD is not a "much better lynch than lurker" do not put words in my mouth. Like I said, I don't care who I lynch today, as long as its in SD/Lurker/you.

But after that I just want to lynch you.

Congrats

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually I guess if we had to be really nitpicky lurker isn't a policy lynch for the same reason SD isn't

But that's just semantics.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What past mistakes specifically

A majority of people in town thought you were scummy enough to be lynched

I've led town to victory enough times to be confident in my abilities. And I'm scum reading you again.

I'm positive because I am confident in my reads.

You ignored my previous question where I asked why lining up lynches is scummy and whyyou didn't bring it up earlier

Your mention of last game I think is scum using something unrelated to save themselves. Nice try though

[orcinus_theoriginal]

"You don't know me"

I always hate it when people use meta as a defense.

I played with you once besides this game. I scumread you then. I was wrong. I scumread you now. Hence, I scumread you again.

I do not need to play with you when you are scum to be able to scumread you now.

Which one of my town reads specifically is a scumread?

Hi guys, this is scum who is getting nervous because this town bloc will win the game and is desperately trying to sling mud onto it but can't really find a place to attack, so is just going with the generic "yeah well you're a bad player lol and you're probably wrong I can't say where exactly but yeah".

Yeah well you're not very good at helping town either seeing how scummy your town play is. That being said, you're not town this game.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Learning from past mistakes is I'm a lot scummier in my play as town then I would be as scum.

This is also contradictory with

You don't

know

how a scum me would act.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

A majority of people in town thought you were scummy enough to be lynched

Relating to last game, your play was poor enough that most people thought you were scum d1, and then enough thought that you were scum d2.

The game was actually imbalanced so you can't really blame me for making that assumption. I guarantee you that if you showed a speck of townishness I would not have CC'd. You did not.

I will

not

accept "I'm scummy as town" as an excuse for your scumminess, and I don't think anyone else will either. So you should either try to
1). Improve your game
2). Accept that you're scummy as town and that you're a bad player

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok

if you self vote you can walk away from the game entirely soon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Not contradictory because you DO NOT know how I would act as scum because you have only played with me as town.

So you're saying that I cannot read you if I haven't played with you when you were scum?

ok mala, ok.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If you ever come back and feel like you want to play the game instead of being a moody pissant, you can answer the below question.

Which one of my town reads specifically is a scumread?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That being said, after a re-read, I think I'm going to tentatively UNVOTE: for now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Not contradictory because you DO NOT know how I would act as scum because you have only played with me as town.

You will be wrong again this game just as your tunneling on Day 1 on Mastin and I didn't help the town and then you CC'ing me when I stopped a bloody kill because you thought I fake claimed and did a no kill to confirm myself.

You're again wrong in regards to me(again), but you are too fucking arrogant to admit it yet (again).

Oh I believe I used meta as a defense that game too.

No, I'm not nervous at all. I'm trying to get you to stop tunneling and actually direct your attention to lynching scum you fucking moron. (Yes, I'm pissed because I fucking hate it when I'm not listened too)

P-edit: Go fuck yourself. With that in mind I'm walking away for now.

This actually looks town to me.

Me too, hence the unvote

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah I can dig a lurker lynch

Wait for him to claim though

[orcinus_theoriginal]

MAla, Pit, Syryana

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cool

VOTE: lurker

see this is what i meant when i said we shouldn't have lynched fery d1, lurker was going to be lynched at some point during the game

ah well

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VT, popcorn buldermar

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, nobody votes until this popcorn chain is finished.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Buldermar, give me a T->S list right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually, popcorn pitoli. I don't need buldermar's claim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pitoli i also want you to T->S

Same goes for SD.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So I assume you would be pushing Mala today?

Explain to me your read on Pitoli.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually, you know what, we already won this game. I don't need you to answer that question.

The scum team is Buldermar and pitoli.

I am a rolecop

, and Buldermar is a

1-shot ninja

. Yeah, I didn't know what that was until yesterday either.

I would like to apologize for my anti-town play yesterday. My reasoning was that as long as I played myself to be bad enough to be not night killed, I would be able to enter lylo with two conftowns (myself and my investigative target). I did breadcrumb my role and ill go fish it up right now. This is also why I backed off fery after she claimed--I wanted to use my night action on her.

Mala is confirmed town right now because of her placing on Buldermar's list and for her outburst yesterday. SD/Buldermar doesn't make a lick of sense given their behavior. And I've been letting pitoli off with too much slack for being new.

VOTE: Buldermar

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't know what I think of fery's role right now. I'll figure it out later.

I know it seems weak but when you realize just how forced "role" is in this sentence (over "alignment"), the crumb becomes irrefutable.

My n1 target was safety dance, which was why I came out of the gate with that neighbor business so hard.

Pitoli is most definitely buldermar's partner. The interaction between SD and buld is far too hard to fake.

At 3p lylo, SD and Mala should be voting pitoli. Quicklynch her ass.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah, you played well as scum tbh. I wouldn't have caught you through scum hunting alone.

You should self vote later to end the day early.

SD/Mala sheeeeeep

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh and jsyk I was right about Nero being your nightkill.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh and jsyk I was right about Nero being your nightkill.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes because ninja can be a town-aligned role.

I decided that I knew enough to make a judgement already without needing you to claim. Originally I wanted you to claim to see who you would popcorn, but I realized that it was redundant with the T->S list.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

(just to make that clear, ninjas can't be town aligned. I checked.)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That was sarcasm. It was obvious enough for anyone other than you.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That was sarcasm. It was obvious enough for anyone other than you.

"Originally I wanted you to claim to see who you would popcorn, but I realized that it was redundant with the T->S list."

Was this really sarcasm?

Oh, not that.

Yes because ninja can be a town-aligned role.

This was sarcasm.

Oh no, I'm not making personal attacks. I'm just saying that you would question it because you're, y'know, scum.

It says on the MafiaWiki that ninja's can be town aligned. You claimed to not know about the role before your supposed role investigation. So where exactly did you read about it, seing that it couldn't have been on the MafiaWiki? You're so full of shit, lol

Ninjas are a

killing

role.

Anyways

Ninja is not necessarily aligned against the Town, but that's what happens in practice.
Alignment:
Anti-Town

And the person I asked about ninjas said she never saw a town-aligned ninja, ever.

So uh yeah. bye

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also why on earth would there be TWO information roles on the side of town?

Remember what happened last time we did setup spec and I swore never to do that again

And probably because last scum is a PR. idk.

Wait.

Why did you want to lynch sd if you role copped him?

UNVOTE:

Because the knowledge that SD is a neighbor isn't alignment indicative. Scum neighbors and town neighbors both exist.

Pedit: buld just give up man

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I did read about the role on MW. Where did you get that otherwise?

Oh and watch this.

A Ninja is a role or role modifier such that the Ninja will never be seen as targeting anyone by a Tracker, Watcher, or other investigative role along these lines. It has been likened to the Tracker/Watcher equivalent to Godfather.
Ninja is not necessarily aligned against the Town,

but that's what happens in practice.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I did both

Just stop you're embarrassing yourself

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Re SD: It doesn't even matter at this point. I have all the information necessary to make the right lynches. All that remains is convincing you guys to do the same. No I did not have any further crumbs, but the speed at which I came out with you being a neighbor should be definitive. That being said, why exactly are you claiming VT when your role is actually a neighbor?

I don't know. The two are effectively the same, but that sort of makes me feel like you are scum that doesn't want to say their actual role and going with the run-of-the-mill fakeclaim.

Actually guys don't hammer buldermar just yet. I need to figure out who it is between SD and Pitoli.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nah I'm overthinking this. SD/Buld can't be a team. Still pitoli.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also: I do NOT want mala to claim.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mala claims at 3p lylo. I'm not explaining squat to scum.

You go today, Pitoli tomorrow.

Byebye, see you in postgame.

Pedit: Yeah but 1). I actually have the game figured out and 2). I'm not scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mala claims at 3p lylo. I'm not explaining squat to scum.

You go today, Pitoli tomorrow.

Byebye, see you in postgame.

Pedit: Yeah but 1). I actually have the game figured out and 2). I'm not scum

Or maybe things are really simple and you just don't want Mala to possibly claim a PR now.

OR I don't want scum to be getting unnecessary information

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also: I do NOT want mala to claim.

Um. Yes. Big problem here. She should. Your scum cc even gave the reason for it:

VT, popcorn buldermar

I just realized something. From your perspective, if you were actually town, you wouldn't know for sure if me being ninja would be scum-aligned or town-aligned. Therefore, you'd ALWAYS wait for me to claim as by having me claim anything but ninja would mean for sure that I'm confirmed scum to you whereas by having me claim ninja would strongly suggest that I'm town despite your result. Since you already know for a fact that I'm town, and that I'm not a ninja, you didn't think of allowing me to prove myself scum to you by claiming something other than ninja, because you already have the information you would have gained by doing so by virtue of being scum. Nice try, though.

You deprived us of everyone claiming, you deprived the town of seeing bulder claim VT, you deprived us of seeing all PR claims and letting us all figure out ourselves which role claims were right without any noise. You destroyed any chance of that with the only reason being your ego. How the fuck should we accept that?

Why is Mala clear? She's not. She could be your partner, you've given no reason as to why you've completely backflipped there, in

lylo

. The only one you're definitely not paired with is Bulder.

Pitoli needs to claim too.

Mala is 100% clear at this point in time. Buldermar wanted to lynch her first, and there's no point in scum bussing at 5p lylo. There really isn't. Plus, her outburst yesterday was very town.

Why does seeing buldermar claim VT even matter? Was I supposed to expect the possibility of seeing him claim town 1-shot ninja? My night result was effectively a scum investigative result. He even claimed VT later, if it matters that much to you.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

SD/Mala sheeeeeep

We have over a week to process information yet you are trying to get us to rush this. And why can't Mala be Bulder's partner?

Oh and I forgot this in the last post--Buldermar is confscum to me right now, so I don't want anyone else to claim. That would just be giving unnecessary information to Buldermar to influence his night action

I am trying to rush this. Because I know who's scum in this game and my goal right now is to make that lynch happen before you all drink too much of Buldermar's soup.

I addressed why Mala can't be Buld's partner. Two very simply points--outburst yesterday and interaction with BUldermar. If you need more, ask.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't know what I think of fery's role right now. I'll figure it out later.

I know it seems weak but when you realize just how forced "role" is in this sentence (over "alignment"), the crumb becomes irrefutable.

Also in that post:

Personally I think my own flavor is bullshit so I won't call fery out on it

Laura Roslin, with a PR, is bullshit? Explain.

Obviously it was a lie? idk?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

1433:
Sure, okay. I didn't actually read the start of day 2 that closely. I apologize.

It was right out of the gate for me because that was my first post back. But yeah, sure, you can discount it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hang on, look at this:

My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her.

The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town

means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

Vote Count 1.20

SafetyDance [3/5] - orcinus_theoriginal, fferyllt, Syryana
fferyllt [3/5] - Deltabacon, Nero, buldermar
buldermar [1/5] - Lurker
Lurker [1/5] - SafetyDance
Nero [1/5] - pitoli


Pacifists (Not Voting):

Deadline: April 16th at Noon (GMT-8)

(expired on 2013-04-16 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

*Deltabacon is V/LA through the 7th

That's fferyllt and I. This is a slip? There's no way you know we're both town unless you are scum. As per above post, there's no way you'd push someone as scum if you did think they were town.

FOR THE RECORD FFERLLY, 75% CHANCE OF DOUBLE-SCUM ON YOUR WAGON. GOOD JOB THERE!

I thought you were town on day 2 by virtue of your neighbor result. And then I realized that you could be scum neighbor, and that I was still working on your flavor being Zoe Graystone. So yeah, I had you as a weird read.

And I wasn't paying attention at all.

Sure, view that as a scum slip.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And the person I asked about ninjas said she

never saw a town-aligned ninja, ever.

DA FUCK?!

Tell me you didn't just lose the game for town by breaking Posting and Communicating Rule 5? (

question directed at AP, not you

)

But then by that same logic, you just scumslipped in this post too by saying that if I get modkilled, I would get lose the game for town. Thus implying that you know that I'm town, and that you're scum.

See how weak that line of reasoning is?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't throw my vote around in lylo, especially so since I'm not actually scum.

Frankly, considering that we had a town-suicider, two town-aligned trolls and a slot-flaking all on day one then its no wonder we are here in day 3 and I don't really expect or have high hopes that we'll lynch correct so I'm not going to be that fussed if I mis-lynch because I didn't believe town.

I

am

making the effort to try and crack this, I'll post my thoughts, ask questions, give my reasons but it's not me who's going to lose sleep if the town-player between you two can't convince the rest of us of your actions and motives are pure.

Hahahahaha WOW fuck you very much.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mala you're lynching pitoli tomorrow, okay?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

scum wouldn't kill me because...?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh ok nvm

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Help me convince SD because I'm really sick of him?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pitoli has her night action. Ninjas are according to mafiawiki scum aligned by practice.

I'm disappointed to where you're resorting to.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

IIRC it says that they can be town aligned but

are anti-town by practice

. That's not to say they are

scum-aligned by practice

, which would be a different matter altogether.

So, once again, you're full of shit.

Well now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Shhhh

Help me lynch your partner

[orcinus_theoriginal]

maybe mala IS a PR and maybe I've been PR reading her since day end yesterday I don't know man

look at this point in time the only possible scumteams are me/mala and buldermar/pitoli. Buld and pit all claimed VT. So setup wise, buld/pit being town makes no fucking sense. We have two neighbors (not masons), one miller in that neighbor, one watcher, and...nothing else. That seem logical to you?

Buld had me as his strongest town read. When I PR claimed, he said that it should be obvious it was a fakeclaim. That seem logical to you?

Your arguments don't actually make sense so I won't address them in-depth. My play day 2 was purposely shoddy. I said that already. I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1, but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice. It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink. I wanted to back off to rolecop her.

Tomorrow is a formality, yes. I know who the scum are, and so should you by that time. I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.

Town aligned ninjas do not exist. It does not make sense with this setup. I didn't need to wait for Buldermar to claim VT because I have half a brain. You might.

Your statement was a question. Your question was based on the premise that I was town. Hence, you somehow knew I was town. Hence, you scumslipped. For instance, "Is your vagina wet?" is based on the premise that you have a vagina. This question does not make it in any way ambiguous that I think you have a vagina.


None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

Fair enough.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm learning a lot about scum AtE watching you flail

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.

This is such an absurd argument. We know by now that pitoli can only logically be partner with me, so if you actually did have a guilty on me, pitoli would be confirmed scum by the time I'm lynched. The only thing her claim could possibly change is peoples opinion of your fakeclaim - and yet you insist that she shouldn't claim. Just give me a single example of how mala's role information supposedly could be used by scum? It's complete nonsense.

Mala isn't claiming today. Once again, not pandering to scum. If SD wants to pressure a claim he'll do it himself

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Town aligned ninjas do not exist.

This is a lie.

Nuh-uh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?

This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.

See, that's scum employment of WIFOM. Observe what this post boils down to.

"You did a play that doesn't make sense for scum. But you're not town. Just cuz"

This is the WIFOM soup we learn to identify in Townie 101

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm learning a lot about scum AtE watching you flail

I'm leaning a lot about stupidity watching you play.

I'm really hurt.

Nah you're scum you get a free pass to call me whatever you want, because your whole game is based on lying. Come on hit me harder

[orcinus_theoriginal]

None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?

This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.

See, that's scum employment of WIFOM. Observe what this post boils down to.

"You did a play that doesn't make sense for scum. But you're not town. Just cuz"

This is the WIFOM soup we learn to identify in Townie 101

This "oh yeah but this could be scum making a nonsensical play that severely lowers their chance at winning lol" doesn't make an ounce of sense.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yep, I said that I would ignore you, and I did.

Right. Which is why scum love it.

1505: Bold statement. Why don't you address 1484 directly? Oh right you can't.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

go town go town we won go town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

????

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lol fuck off

[orcinus_theoriginal]

This is the epitome of building a mountain out of a molehill because you are sore

grow up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

WOO

[orcinus_theoriginal]

SD's diary was great reading.

Can I get scum QT?

Congrats to SD for making the right judgement, Buld played a great scumgame.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Does this make up for Closed Madness, Mala?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think it was slightly swingy (obviously) in that both roles could land a hard guilty, but barring that neither was able to clear anyone if they didn't land properly.

Well considering Syr would've gone after me because of her night result...

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah Orci it does. Although, I had to scream at you to stop tunneling me :p

Surprisingly, that helped my read on you a lot.

Can I get some feedback on my d2 play? This is sort of why I really want to see the scum QT. I felt like getting my ass to lylo and confirming a player/finding a scum was too important to risk being nightkilled. I mean it worked out but I would like your thoughts on it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Uh. D2 play for you was wayy to bouncey. D3 play was a lot more solid.
You kept pinging my radar due to the bouncing + flip flopping + pushing policy lynches

Yeah, like I said, I did that on purpose. I wanted to not be obvtown to avoid the nightkill. Do you think it was a smart idea?