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↑ Varsoon wrote:I also agree that meta'ing a player is a poor method of ISO'ing them

↑ dexter9264 wrote:

↑ Zoggoth wrote:Dexter: I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

I've already explained, its just cause I remember getting absolutely dominated in an IRL mafia game by a dude that was the most experienced of me and my friends.
As for my vote on Mutley, yes it was dangerous. I meant it to be dangerous. The way I saw it, Mutley wasn't gonna start posting actual stuff unless he had significant pressure on him. He needed to be put at L-1. In the case that someone hammered, we would know that the hammerer is scum. If he self hammered, then good riddance. Wouldn't want someone that would self hammer here anyways.
Now that his posts are much better, Im going to go ahead and remove my vote, Whether it was my vote that made him stop or something else, I have no idea. But I will say that my vote did help in that.

unvote

As for Radiant's vote above, wtf is that. Just votes Mutley with no reasoning, and also its pretty strong OMGUS.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

↑ RadiantCowbells wrote:I already offered.

↑ Varsoon wrote:This is a really hard OMGUS move on your part. I build a case on you, you ISO me, etc, etc

↑ freezing-hell wrote:

↑ dexter9264 wrote:

↑ Zoggoth wrote:Dexter: I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

I've already explained, its just cause I remember getting absolutely dominated in an IRL mafia game by a dude that was the most experienced of me and my friends.
As for my vote on Mutley, yes it was dangerous. I meant it to be dangerous. The way I saw it, Mutley wasn't gonna start posting actual stuff unless he had significant pressure on him. He needed to be put at L-1. In the case that someone hammered, we would know that the hammerer is scum. If he self hammered, then good riddance. Wouldn't want someone that would self hammer here anyways.
Now that his posts are much better, Im going to go ahead and remove my vote, Whether it was my vote that made him stop or something else, I have no idea. But I will say that my vote did help in that.

unvote

As for Radiant's vote above, wtf is that. Just votes Mutley with no reasoning, and also its pretty strong OMGUS.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

Interesting to see you wanted to defend yourself on those points, but more so I'd like to know what you didn't focus on anything else from his post.

↑ Varsoon wrote:Keep squirming.

While RC, who I still think is town, hasn't replied yet, I've gotten plenty out of you.

VOTE: Paid Pyro


Welcome back to the thread.

↑ dexter9264 wrote:Why wouldn't I defend myself?
And I didn't focus on anything else on his post cause....well....I don't really know. I guess I kinda just saw my name and focused on what was directed at me.

↑ Zoggoth wrote:

Varsoon:

Seems to be acting very sensibly by stopping a possible bad lynch. I find it slightly odd at how little it took for arguments to start between you and DDDP and PP, so this makes me slightly suspicious, as it looks more like bussing than mafia arguing with town, but I wont take this as a scum read until I have better reads of the two people you're arguing with. So he's a town read atm.

I disagree here, but Varsoon wasn't as hypocritical and contradictory prior to this post. Possible buddying/defending scumbuddy here? Especially since next post is Varsoon saying that he agrees with Zoggoth

Dexter:

I think that he was slightly heavy towards IC/SE lynch early on, but it looks honest to me (if he is scum, then I would guess that the other scum would be newbie as well, it just doesn't look like a bus to me). I definitely don't agree with his [L-1] vote on mutley, it seems a little too dangerous to me, and I think only one of mutley's wagon is scum (it would be too risky to have both scum on there, as mutley flipping town would incriminate both of them), and it looks far too easy for a scum-hammer to be justified by policy lynch. However I have a null read on him, as the vote could still be town motivated (mutley isn't being particularly helpful).

This is me, I already responded

RadientCowbells:

His ISO is very telling, almost no actual content, and a huge amount of complaining about inactivity. Also seems to be very cautious about being involved in the mutley wagon, so I've got a slight scum read on him. (I admit that his ISO is very similar to mine, but at least I've answered questions with some significant content).

I also did an ISO on RC, and I found the same thing. Very little actual content, and pretty much no scumhunting.

Mutleyddmc:

Lots of scum tells (Posting a lot with very little content other than trying to defend himself, trying to look like he is making a contribution, without helping town at all, faking(?) not caring about being lynched, muddying the water with all his joke scum claims) but somehow I'm having trouble imagining a scummutley. I'm going to have to say that unless he starts posting some actual useful content then I will put his vote on him again, deliberately not helping town is a scum tell in my opinion, and I don't want to have him sticking around the whole game making it difficult for the rest of us.

This is before Mutley's play improved. At first, I had thought that Mutley was just a bad player, one that should be policy lynched. Chances are that he's town since its more likely to pull a town role, but whatever. However, now that Mutley has posted actual not terrible stuff, I'm a bit worried about him. Cleary, Mutley is not a terrible player, and that makes me worried that he may be scum that went through all that he did to somehow convince us hes not scum

Shaboostein:

a little bit inactive so far, currently a null tell, I would be interested to see what they post now that they're back.

poke

Hasn't done anything at this point in the game, nothing to say here.

Mist7676:

Lots of interesting discussion early on, about the IC lynch. I'm not sure whether I agree with her mutley vote at the moment, I feel a bit more justification is needed, but really that would need some actual content on mutleys part. currently a bit of a null tell.

Mist has been slipping under my radar. Nothing that jumps out and shouts scum, but nothing that shouts out town either

Paid Pyro:

Has done very little so far other than have a go at Varsoon and RC, with not a lot of content himself. Still has his vote from RVS down, without a lot of justification, would you mind explaining? So far slight scum read, but their response to this question could very easily change this.

Had a little confrontation with Varsoon. Of them, I feel like one of them could very possibly be scum. I'm leaning more towards Varsoon at the moment, since PP seems to have pretty solid arguments and is far less hypocritical

DDDP:

I'm not going to wade into the rights and wrongs of his argument with Varsoon, but to be honest it looks like town vs. town to me, from his other posts I am getting a weak town read, but I can't help feeling that this is just because he keeps mentioning that he is town.

Hasn't done very much. But at the same time, has done a lot more than some other players. I get a very weak scum read, but it's more based on gut than anything. Maybe it's just my bias towards experienced players.

Zoggoth:

Obviously the towniest of the town tells, and completely wonderful and helpful in every way. Doesn't even need any justification.

Clear obviscum right here. Lynch on sight! jk his posts have seem pretty helpful so far, but at the same time his activity is kinda low. Null read for him

↑ freezing-hell wrote:For clarification: Which better posts of Mutley made you unvote him?

↑ freezing-hell wrote:@Mutley: You not once raised concern about Shaboo. Also, if RC wasn't scummy would your vote go to Varsoon?

↑ Mutleyddmc wrote:@dexter you have me wrong I am actually a terrible player. My reads are almost usually always wrong until it gets to a lylo situation where I seem to get better but it's too late!

↑ freezing-hell wrote:Zoggoth, why aren't you voting?

↑ freezing-hell wrote:I'll give the thread one or more reads, though before I really place my vote.

↑ Mutleyddmc wrote:I said in 165 if RC contributes I'd put my vote on shaboo

↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I'm bored by people constantly asking me "why". Why did I ask which SE one would lynch of the pair, why did I vote for shaboostein? I have my reasons for most things I do but I reveal them (if at all) on my own schedule.

↑ freezing-hell wrote:

↑ freezing-hell wrote:I'll give the thread one or more reads, though before I really place my vote.

Though at this time I'm quite certain who I'll be voting. Will put my vote today.

↑ freezing-hell wrote:Hi guys, looking forward to play with you all.

↑ Mutleyddmc wrote:Missed this although this was a while ago and you posted a lot since. So surprised you are asking someone else why before you have even voted?