Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Bacde]

VOTE: kuribo

nah just kidding

VOTE: princess

this made me laugh out loud

[Bacde]

is it possible that egg is mafia? For some reason it just feels to me like if egg is scum then he's a wolf but I haven't looked into it to see if its possible for egg to be the mafia

I just had a strong wolf-read on princess but I guess its hard to differentiate scum

[Bacde]

Just looked at the old VCs, Egg actually makes a lot of sense as a wolf

[Bacde]

And Bulb I wanna say I'm sorry for not giving your posts the full "believe in him" readthrough when you were accusing egg, at that point in time I thought you were mafia

[Bacde]

Why would Egg kill DBK though?

scum do crazy things sometimes

[Bacde]

Everything considered, I'd STILL rather lynch PP today though

[Bacde]

agreed

[Bacde]

Why 3pm? Is there something she can say to change your mind? Do you value her last minute reads knowing she can't have scumbuddies? Do you expect a claim with no living power roles?

Yes if she is town we value her reads

Do you not for some reason?

[Bacde]

So tomorrow we are going to take her seriously even though today she's dangerous to take to endgame and all that?

I'm looking for where kuribo is coming from here more than anything...

yes

is the answer you are looking for

[Bacde]

it would be awesome to have her reads.

You already have my reads. The fact some of you are pretending I haven't posted my reads confirms that this lynch was going to go through regardless of what I had to say.

she acts like someone that has already lost.

Maybe because I already replaced into a Town slot and no one gives a shit about it? AND, see above. Finally, I don't give two fucks about this game. Was never mine to win or lose.

Why arey ou being so snarky?

Things have happened since that last "reads" post

have you analyzed none of it?

[Bacde]

^^thats a cool catchphrase btw

[Bacde]

<-- was considering the possibility of kuribo-scum

awesomeee thx wolf

[Bacde]

Yeah after PP flipped town I was reconsidering my read on Kuribo since he replaced into TNE's slot

Are you really this confident that Egg is scum?

[Bacde]

I dunno, I was confident that PP was scum and she flipped town

PP was also pretty adamant about Egg being town

I'm not going to say that she must have been 100% correct but she must have thought Egg was town for a reason

[Bacde]

Well for one, you

I'm reevaluating all of my reads

[Bacde]

kk

what do you think of Mac?

And what about bulba?

[Bacde]

fuck knows.

i had bacde and syr as solid town before the day started.

me2

and you

ugh

[Bacde]

I'm guessing that the wolf thinks that there is no way I'm going to find him/her which is why I'm still alive

hmmm

[Bacde]

Reading someone as town because of "mod interactions" is derp

[Bacde]

Ok, I keep putting this game off

basically, I was convinced that the Autti slot was scum, and so now everything is thrown off

I'm going to do an in-depth read through, but its going to take time

I feel like most people are in a similar place

[Bacde]

ugh I've really been procrastinating this game

I think its a function of how unsure I am right now

[Bacde]

bacde's entrance today was very WIFOM-y and there's something else he said which made me nervous as hell.

i think i'm happy with my bulba vote right now however.

what was WIFOMy about it?

ugh don't do this to me mac

convince me that its bulba

[Bacde]

lol I love how everyone thinks I'm like amazing at scum or something

I'm always under suspicion, even when I freaking find 2 scum right off the bat

if you guys actually ever played w/ me as scum, you'd realize I'm not that good at it

[Bacde]

lol I love how everyone thinks I'm like amazing at scum or something

I'm always under suspicion, even when I freaking find 2 scum right off the bat

if you guys actually ever played w/ me as scum, you'd realize I'm not that good at it

THIS post is WIFOMy, but its true

what was wifomy about my start today though?

[Bacde]

<-- was considering the possibility of kuribo-scum

awesomeee thx wolf

this^ just felt kinda fake. WIFOM-y maybe not the right word but it's like you are faking communication with the wolf cos you are the wolf.

if that makes sense.

i dunno anymore. i think I'll keep you as town.

I get constantly accused of being fake

it means nothing

I'm the real deal baby

Remember micro 180? I got accused of being fake there too

I'm glad you have me as town because I am town man, remember when Bulb tried to convince me that you were scum-buddying me?

Now he's got it flipped around, it was ME trying to scum-buddy you

actually I'm doing a gj of convincing myself that bulb is scum

[Bacde]

Can you convince me though? I wanna hear your reasoning

[Bacde]

Now he's got it flipped around, it was ME trying to scum-buddy you

I never said that.

Really? Then what did you mean by this:

In mafia, you typically accept that your reads aren't perfect. That being said, who do you have as scum after a town flip from either syryana or myself?

You, Bacde, and Syryana are my shortlist for scum. Mac and GM are town and shouldn't be lynched. Ever.

[Bacde]

Lets assume that you are scum:

which of Egg/Syr is the other scum, and which one is the mislynch?

[Bacde]

bacde were you thinking kuribo-scum because of TNE?

what about the fake hammer reactions which made him like 100% town

I wasn't looking or thinking about fake-hammer reactions, which I just remembered right now

I just saw the KURIBORAGE which felt genuine, but I know that Kuribo can fake it too

I guess you guys could have convinced me again that he was town today if he was alive, because honestly the hammer-reactions didn't enter my radar at all

[Bacde]

the killing of DBK when i was suspecting him was possibly to say "hey he's town" and continuing pushing me.

I could see this actually

[Bacde]

the reason i still suspect him is cos he immediately called me town afterwards. like there was no way I'd be bussing

Wait though

if he killed DBK to say "hey he's town" and keep pushing on you

why did he stop pushing on you?

[Bacde]

@Bacde: Did you want me to answer that too, or only Mac? Let me know soon, because I don't have much computer time left in the day.

sure go ahead and answer

[Bacde]

WHAT SECRETS DO YOU HOLD KLICK

[Bacde]

thinking and procrastinating

[Bacde]

Think harder bacde because you are not voting

Yes me not voting is directly related to me still thinking

[Bacde]

what are you thinking about bacde?

map it out for me chap.

honestly its mostly procrastinating

I was certain that Autti was scum so I'm like "oh fuck who can I trust" at this point

and I've been meaning to reread myself instead of just following someone else's case but I keep putting it off

[Bacde]

For those not on the Egg wagon: Look at Egg's interactions with Kuribo. Notice how Egg thinks Kuribo is scum. Look at the mod's post about who wins in the event of a tie. Do the math.

Explain this to me like I'm five. I'm not following

[Bacde]

why would I want to procrastinate as scum?

This is a personality tell, not a scumtell

Proof: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4852385

[Bacde]

Once again, personality tell

I can't just change my personality man

Why would I repeat that play if I was scum?

Neither way does it make sense--therefore its irrational personality, not a tell

If you want me to procrastinate less, tell me where I should look to form my reads better (like, why are you voting where you are voting?). I could use your help and I think you are town

[Bacde]

repeating that play as scum means you can go "look this is what I do as town!" can you only provide one example?

but I haven't been saying that at all

I'm just saying its not a tell

I'm actually not talking about it as a town-tell since I just realized that this is a behavior that I need to incorporate into my scum meta

yeah sorry I only have the one example

so you aren't going to try to convince me that who you are voting is scum? Because that will just lead to me reading/figuring it out on my own time. Which might take a few more days

[Bacde]

Yeah I can understand why my behavior is bothering you tbh, I'll see if I can whip up something tonight

sorry about it, and thanks for dealing w/ me

[Bacde]

honestly the bacde vote makes sense to me

I said I'd get to this last night, and I didn't

Still trying to sort out my feelings about this game

[Bacde]

Mac, who is your top scumread (not including me if I'm now a scumread)? I'm willing to sheep you tbh

[Bacde]

are you going to do anything to change my mind?

you keep putting things off, maybe you are struggling but you are seen is town and I feel like this is you trying to coast your way through the game without really doing anything.

other than you it's probably Bulba but I have this overwhelming gut feeling you are the wolf at the moment and there is literally nothing you are doing to change it.

dude there's a reason my play isn't geared towards changing your mind

I'm town, and I really don't give a fuck about "changing your mind"

I just want to lynch the scum

assume I'm town, now who is the scum? I have a hard-boner townread on you ESPECIALLY with you going after me right now for being the lazy, insecure player that I'm being in this game

who would be the wolf if I'm not? I seriously just want to sheep you in this game because I have 2.5 scumreads (bulba, egg, potentially Syr) and only 1 lynch. I got REALLY thrown off by PP INSISTING that there was a scum in me/Syr, which is why I've lost my mojo this game.

[Bacde]

Seriously, I was SO SURE that Syr was town, but PP INSISTED LIKE A MADPERSON, and she flipped town, and its important to me to listen to the dead whether they were nightkilled or lynched

[Bacde]

I'm not trying to coast dude I'm just REALLY insecure

and I don't understand why more people aren't pressuring Syr or at least questioning him

and I don't really know what questions to ask him to make him trip up if he was scum

[Bacde]

Mac I know I'm not your strongest scumread right now you are just being paranoid (which makes sense), so who is? I'm seriously about to sheep you

[Bacde]

Self-Meta: If I was scum in that L-1 scenario that we had for THE LONGEST TIME today, I woulda just hammered

then I coulda gone to tomorrow and "coasted" just as you are accusing me of right now

I want this lynch to be right, not quick

[Bacde]

Kuribo flipping town is another reason that I'm super insecure about my reads, btw

why would I string this day out rather than lylo day? Honestly I'm not sure that I see a scum advantage

Maybe because town would lose momentum or energy? Well guess what, I'm town, and I've already lost momentum AND energy

so I just really want to be sold on someone being scum, preferably the wolf

[Bacde]

I dunno

All I remember about Kuribo was him getting pissed off and then hammering PP

PP's words were much more chilling

Did Kuribo have Egg as his top scumread after PP?

[Bacde]

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place w/ that

PP thought Egg was town, bulb was scum, and that the other scum was in me/Syr

Kuribo said EXPLICITLY that he would listen to PP's reads if she got lynched.

Kuribo also had egg as scum, and he was positive that there was a scum in Egg/PP

Actually, now I'm thinking Egg is scum, because of this post:

But kuribo wasn't guaranteed to tunnel me the way you have been. If I just wanted one less vote on me, i'd have gone after you. And if I was wolf panicking because there's still mafia alive, and I've been pushing your lynch, doesn't that imly that I probably legitimately have thought you were scum this whole time? If I was wolf and my mind was going the way you think it was last night, it would have made more sense to shoot you than kuribo.

[Bacde]

I'm probably going to end up voting egg by the end of the day

sorry PP, I'm not Kuribo

[Bacde]

VOTE: egg

super duper

[Bacde]

I super duper promise that I am almost done with my super duper convincing case on Syr. In the meantime I will super duper enjoy this slugfest. I am super duper sure of EggScum at this point, though that did go super duper poorly last time.

this looks like a scumclaim to me fyi

you better have some good shit tomorrow

[Bacde]

OH SNAP

lol!

So I'm convinced Mac is town, which of you guys is the wolf?

Right now I'm actually leaning Syr but I haven't reread anything

[Bacde]

Bulb tomorrow.

Go town.

UGH WHY DO THE DEAD DISAGREE WITH ME

[Bacde]

I super duper promise that I am almost done with my super duper convincing case on Syr. In the meantime I will super duper enjoy this slugfest. I am super duper sure of EggScum at this point, though that did go super duper poorly last time.

lol

[Bacde]

hey bulba I think someone asked me about that at the time to which I said:

Lol Mac.

Bacde, why aren't you voting him?

my words are just as powerful, if not moreso than my vote

my vote will come, it will come

which pretty much sums up how I feel in a game--words are more important than votes (not including quickhammers and the like)

[Bacde]

hello?

[Bacde]

lol you're like a question nazi

Why'd you take your vote off of Princess, and then never revote, even though you were sure she was scum? Why are you convinced that Mac is town (I always throw all of my reads out the window and reexamine everything during Lylo.)?

1) I don't remember exactly, I think I was just interested in more discussion and seeing what Kuribo would do

2) Gut mostly? He even voted me at the end of the day yesterday which I felt was legit because I was doping around and not sure who the scum was

[Bacde]

Actually I'm worried that my Mac read is incorrect. I could see it being wrong. Hmm

I'm probably down with a no-lynch, but I wanna at least hear from the prod-monster and bulba as well

[Bacde]

Mac you turned on me man



Its ok though I'm not as confident about you being town either

[Bacde]

OH SNAP

lol!

So I'm convinced Mac is town, which of you guys is the wolf?

Right now I'm actually leaning Syr but I haven't reread anything

actually I sorta am turning on Syr

lol what if it was bulba this whole time and he's just gonna question-nazi and then wait for us to eat each other

[Bacde]

What motivation would bulba have to kill G_M?

[Bacde]

Syr I could see having a reason to shoot G_M

then again, the case was probably going to be bullbutt

[Bacde]

VOTE: no lynch

eh

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:

what do you got bulba

[Bacde]

but then bacde's slot did literally nothing prior to him replacing in.


aaaa

not to mention I didn't really do much after the Autti/PP slot flipped town

[Bacde]

Wouldn't it be just as optimal to lynch townies and NK mafia?

Why is it that a wolf necessarily wants to lynch mafia and NK townies?

[Bacde]

Wouldn't it be just as optimal to lynch townies and NK mafia?

Why is it that a wolf necessarily wants to lynch mafia and NK townies?

I feel like we went over this somewhere before. Lynching townies and NK'ing mafia would end up with the same net result, but in my opinion lynching mafia would be safer from a wolf perspective since the wolf gets towncred for every successful mafia lynch that they participate in rather than possible suspicion from mislynching townies (depending on the mislynch, not all mislynches are created equal).

I don't really feel like this is true, since I don't think a single person in this thread has given someone town cred for lynching mafia, just not-mafia cred.

Obvious alt slip

[Bacde]

Bacde. Give us an updated list of reads please.

Right now it goes:

I think its a wolf: Syr

I think its probably not a wolf: everyone else

[Bacde]

I'm wondering why G_M died right after she said she was going to make a case on you

I'm also curious as to why PP was so certain that there was a scum between you and me

[Bacde]

yes it did

[Bacde]

Syr: Why do you think that I am scum

Bacde: Well, I'm wondering about these things (that seem to implicate Syr as scum)

It answers the question pretty well imo

[Bacde]

Why was my answer insufficient, in your eyes Mac?

[Bacde]

Seriously? You think I'm scum because of WIFOM and Princess OMGUS's reads?

Yes seriously

Obviously I'm not 100% on it otherwise I'd be voting you and yelling and screaming and kicking all over the place

[Bacde]

Bacde, why do you think that Mac is town?

I REALLY thought he was town d1, we meshed really well together and agreed on Klick being scum for a really good reason

now I'm less sure, it feels like he's trying to jab at me for things that are just obviously wrong, like telling me that I'm not answering questions that I clearly am

it weird, cuz yesterday I felt like his pressure on me was townie. Like, I was pretty lazy yesterday

[Bacde]

I think that gut also had G_M as confirmed town by poe

[Bacde]

GG!

Great job Syr!