WWE Believe in the Shield

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I feel like I'm in a RK game and no one wants to do anything for fear of coming across scummy.

That place hasn't closed yet?

I also dont like ametysth actor, taking a holliday as a hydra, wtf.

lmao

Malcolm, there are a lot of players right now with a lot worse reasons for their votes.

By worse, do you mean scummier?

I'm actually going to read this later. Too tired, too much going on. Soz.

You will never reach end game with this kind of input. Food for thought.

We are not lynching Krabs today. That ouburst was fucking real. I know that frustration when people just put on their blunders and tunnel everything you do. Lets ive Krabs some time to do some actuall work on the game and not just defend himself.

Malcolm/ratedr/AA are slots that need pressure, and in my mind they are better votes than krabs to begin with.

Maybee I should do something usefull with my vote today, Malcolm slot is playing exactly like last game nacho scummed, short mass qoute answers that is giving us all very little, AA continues to feel wierd in that she has a problem joining the discussion and ratedr has not been productive either.

Isn't it a bit premature to ask someone to claim at L-4?

It's early,

which is why I asked.

The wagon off Krabs will probably end up in a lynch if it continues like this, and I would rather see what I'm working with. There are a couple other scumfucks in the horizon we

could

deal with if Krabs is town, but that towniness gotta shine through first.

Implies that you asked a question.

Krabs, claim now.

Is not a question.

Isn't it a bit premature to ask someone to claim at L-4?

The wagon off Krabs will probably end up in a lynch if it continues like this, and I would rather see what I'm working with.

There are a couple other scumfucks in the horizon

we

could

deal with if Krabs is town,

but that towniness gotta shine through first.

Who? And Why?

And what do you mean with "deal with if krabs is town?" Regardless of what he claims we can not for sure know that he is town... so are you talking about after a Krabs lynch?

Implies that you know he is town.

Malcolm is a very good vote.

VOTE: Malcolm

Since so few are trying this game i feel forced to bank on gcbc not being scum day 1.

malcolm does nothing, will do nothing. just noise.

@ desp, understood.

VOTE: arcangel

would have liked a malcolm wagon more thou. nacho is supposed to be a good player.

she is posting in other places.

nacho lurking.

Yeah.

VOTE: Malcolm

Serious vote. I have a hard time beliving that this is the great nachomammas town game, it just isnt. Its identical to the amnesiac game where nacho and me was scum. He posts short message, replying to everyone, never sticks neck out with a read, never probes other players.

I have read some of nachos town games,... some (like street racer) are just so different that its comical. In that game he posts lists, exlpains thoughts in long ass posts, interogates suspects and just roams arround being a badass. Then there are games where he seems detached, but he still has that stinger when interacting with others.

I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR NACHO.

GOOD LYNCH.

NAY, BEST LYNCH.

i dont get why the malcolm wagon is so hard to push. Look at what malcolm is posting, there is close to nothing in terms of thoughts on the game, its just endless short questions, or sometimes comments that leaves much to be desired.

Also notice that he hasnt even refuted my claim that this isnt nachos town game.

This is most of my posts regarding the hydra malcolm of nacho/kise.

Ferret and nero, I seriously sudgest that you read a few of nachos town games and then the manesiac game where he was scum, and tell me which one this looks like, its very clear to me.

I am loosing some faith in gcbc being scum, dont know if its just general doubt... would be so wierd to completely flip 180 on 2 players within like 20 minutes, I dont think town does that. Not that extreme... but as of late he seems to be doing better.

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ferret and nero... i meant that as instead of "looking on that booring as wall of qoutes".

but be openminded, i might be missing stuff. Its just that the last game I played I was scumming with nacho and this looks like that.

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Have faith brother, miracles have havent before.


VOTE: malcolm

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have happened.

jfc

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nero, join this clean wagon.

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Kise: On a scale of 1-10 how much do you think Goat is scum?

Sven: On a scale of 1-10 how much do you think Malcolm is scum?

6,7,8 ... i dont know. 10 would be me knowing.

I think its our best bet for catching scum

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Extension.

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Desp you are scummy yo.

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vote extension nero, its the pro town thing to do... let scum run out of wind.

and vote malcolm, its still cool

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monkey, you me and nero has been at the front line in this war as of late. lets unite on malcolm.

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I'm scum because I'm not in favor of "extending the deadline

for as long as it takes to replace squid and Krab

"?

He's already been looking for two three days, and this is now a 41 page day one. What if he never finds both replacements? Or even one? We just sit here, waiting, posting, and making the game even longer and less appealing to a potential replacement?

And I specifically said

"if these are my only two options,"

implying that if there was an option for three days, or five days, or a week, that I would be in favor of it. But I'm not going to commit myself to a game that may never end.

Thats the scummy part.

Its not the first thing that doesnt sit well with me.

WHat if krabs is doctor or cop?

Doctor C Niall DeMencha, Amethyst Actor, xMALCOLMx, GoodCopBadCop, Skullduggery, Ravenpaw

You feel fine voting with these people? GTFO

Wagon stinks. You stink for having confidence in it

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If Krabs were Doctor or Cop then I think he would have claimed when he felt threatened enough to soft claim, as other people have already stated.

I can't control the way other people vote, and you calling me bad because of your unconfirmed reads on other players who are also voting similarly to me is just astounding.

Finally, what do you suggest if he never finds a Krab replacement then?

Lol, if he was a cop doctor he would only claim as a last resort. the way he soft claimed reflects that

You not taking in the information from the wagon is scummy, my biggest concern with krabs is the people voting him.

I cant answer tha last question couse its, i do want a sub in the slot thou

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Why are you laughing at me when other people share my view on his soft claim, Sven? Your opinion is not The One True Way.

What information, specifically? Your personal opinion of who is scummy? This is a pretty insane standard you are trying to set.

If they share your view that krabs, as scum, would go "might aswell claim"... then he doesnt and states that he will fight, then he subs out. Yeah that seems pretty fucking scummy. SCUM would just claim doctor or cop or whatever. What I saw from krabs is doubt.

Scum prob knows this and wants to get krabs lynched.

You are retards and scum voting krabs.

What the fuck do you mean "what information" what the fuck do you think? Are ANY OF THOSE considered town by a large number of people.

DO I HAVE TO SPOON FEED YOU?

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I am open to sudgestions.

People i am willing to lynch before krabs

jebus
amethyst
malcolm
desp

Monkey, i dont get why and nero cant just jump on to the malcolm wagon. Pretty please?

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You guys act like you've never been wrong about someone being town. Someone else asked and it hasn't been answered...why is Krabs town?

There are theories going around as to what scum may or may not be doing in this situation. How about some facts? Like Krabs' contradictory patterns?

No, its you who are voting krabs that act like you have never been wrong on scum before. i normal person has doubts and would like the slot to claim, you just dont give a fuck.

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This is malcolm

I am lynching krabs

i want an extension

I am making sense

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Sven, I am reading the thread and I don't like the reason on Cops. if there is a good reason, it's not coming from you because it isn't present in your Iso, I am reading I wouldn't be able to make questions and comments if I wasn't.

I will say the vote on Malcom is shit, because it is shit. they are so transparently town that I have no fucking clue to why you are scum reading them, all I can see is "Nacho is lurking" which is a shitty reason to have to vote for anyone

and even so, you ignore a fair amount of other lurkers who have done nothing. You still havn't addressed that point.

Questions are easy to post as scum, sure but they are my biggest weapon in games, especially in larges and it doesn't help when people decide to ignore them

You are a joke.

Why is my reasoning on cops bad?

Why has malcolm been town?

i have addressed the point about lurkers that i havent focused, multiple times. try reading the thread.

There are diffrent types of questions, there are good questions not so good ones and then the shit you post.

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If you get some other people to join you I'll join.

What kind of logic is this. join now and see if it becomes a thing. what if everyone thought like this.

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Because I tried it on ArcAngel and it didn't work, I also thing Desperado is scummy.

I dont understand.

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I dont understand why you are hasitant to jump on the wagon now and not later. would is the difference

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what is the difference

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Because I don't want another wagon-of-the-day, i want a lynch.

What? Thats not a reason. What do you feel about a malcolm lynch?

We cant know for sure until we try.

Get back to me.

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[Kise]

No, its you who are voting krabs that act like you have never been wrong on scum before. i normal person has doubts and would like the slot to claim, you just dont give a fuck.

I give a fuck that we've all been working for 2 weeks and Krabs has cases on them that make them out to be the best lynch candidate. Your approach to this is "might is right, listen to me guys, I have meta on Nacho". A closed minded attitude is a detriment but at least you've listed other people.

Jebus was my lazy lynch. Desp is suspect to Nacho. We have AA as town. None of these are strong like the Krabs cases, so we will currently not be switching over. There are CASES, more than one, against Krabs. If you don't have examples of Krabs pro-town behavior ITT, sit down.

You are voting with your suspect? Nice move bro.

And let me get this straight...Doctor C Niall DeMencha, Amethyst Actor, xMALCOLMx, GoodCopBadCop, Skullduggery, Ravenpaw are on the wagon. You say the wagon stinks and scum want Krabs lynched. Yet only 2 names from this wagon are who you find scum, and you don't even consider we (if scum) could be bussing?

I have raven as town, I had desp as town. Thats as close to town as your 7 person wagon gets. That stinks. I wouldnt care if krabs was my number one suspect, I would never vote with that group.

This is malcolm

I am lynching krabs

i want an extension

I am making sense

We're supposed to unvote? L-4 isn't scary at all. How long have you been playing mafia because I'd really like to understand this confidence of yours.

I´ll help you out.

You have decided who you want to lynch.

Extension should not be necessary.

there ya go bro.

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Why is no one stating why Krabs is a bad lynch other then scum are on his wagon and want to push his wagon? seriously, I had already asked several times for a town Krabs reason and no one has given it, there literally is no reason for town Krabs

Let me explain this. Krabs could be my number one suspect, I would never vote him with that group of people.

there is nothing wrong with what Kise/Nacho have brought up, except maybe this...

You say the wagon stinks and scum want Krabs lynched. Yet only 2 names from this wagon are who you find scum, and you don't even consider we (if scum) could be bussing?

yupp, scummy.

but it isn't enough to state that they are scum. I following their thought processes very well, I can understand what they are thinking which is more then enough for me to state that both are town. Why is it so hard for you to see their pov on things Sven?

because i have read nachos town game and this is not it. he is not calling people out, he is not ordering people arround, he is parked on an easy wagon and he is not part of the solution which i would expect town nacho to be.

I have never wanted a lynch more then I want Krabs lynched in my life, and I usually only get this feeling when I'm wagoning scum, along with that I have made my case on scum-Krabs, made my case on town-Malcom, gave my reason on why I thought Raven to be scum, but later moved her to town

I have skimmed you, what posts are you reffering to as to where you explain scum krab and town malcolm

and your suspicion on both slots are because we are asking questions... which is what you're supposed to do in mafia? Honestly, if you are town this game Sven, you have a terribad town game though Kise may have a point in that you are probs scum who I am probably misreading

this is just bad, i have explained this. how do you know kise has me as scum?.

Why is Krabs town? I want an answer from Monkey as well.

Burden of proof girl, why is he scum?

I also want to know why my questions are so scummy, honestly I see nothing wrong with the questions I'm asking, hell even Raven said that I started to look like I was actually trying to contribute to this game since I started posting.

They suck, you are not asking the right questions... you ask when people subbed in, why is x town, why is y scum, why are you voting z, without stating the questions to someone specific.

I am for the extension, but I also want the Krabs lynch to go through

Not making much sense here, so many arcangel clones in this game.

Kise, do you know why Nacho has a scum-lean on Desp? I have him as a town-lean this game. I'm pretty satisfied with his content, and the questions he asks as well as his responses to other people's questions.

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Oh shit Krabs really is town isn't he?

You being a scumfuck again Svet? Not wanting to lynch D1 like in Flavorless? Oh Em Gee so meta.

Are you a fucking retard?

Like a love child of arcangel and arcangel, that got dropped on its head.

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Nacho, If you start posting like you did in this game I will unvote instantly.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24478

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the case on krab is better?

oh well okay then.

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Hello all, replacing in, won't be able to properly catch up until tomorrow. So if someone wants to give me any recap too I would be grateful

you are lead wagon and the likely lynch, people will ask you to claim and then lynch you anyway.


kinda sucks.

I am not on your wagon.

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I dont understand desp

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Why are you laughing at me when other people share my view on his soft claim, Sven? Your opinion is not The One True Way.

What information, specifically? Your personal opinion of who is scummy? This is a pretty insane standard you are trying to set.

If they share your view that krabs, as scum, would go "might aswell claim"... then he doesnt and states that he will fight, then he subs out. Yeah that seems pretty fucking scummy. SCUM would just claim doctor or cop or whatever. What I saw from krabs is doubt.

Scum prob knows this and wants to get krabs lynched.

You are retards and scum voting krabs.

What the fuck do you mean "what information" what the fuck do you think?

Are ANY OF THOSE considered town by a large number of people.

DO I HAVE TO SPOON FEED YOU?

I think we've reached the logical extension of this argument. You think your read (or even the majority of the game's read) is enough to constitute "information" when I bet if you actually tallied everything, the only thing that 7 people actually agree about is that we should lynch Krab. Can you find 7 people saying that each of the people on the Krab wagon is scum in their eyes? I don't know the answer, but I bet you can't.

You and others have been repeatedly asked to provide the case for Town Krab and all you can say is "fuck why is he town, why is he SCUM HUH?!?" despite the fact that, again,

I literally have a post that starts with "Krab is scum because..." in my iso

and I know I'm not the only one to provide justification for their Krab vote, or "I don't like that wagon so fuck that, Krab could claim Godfather two hours from now and I still wouldn't lynch him." It's boring. We've answered your questions over and over, you just didn't like the answer and reverted back to your original arguments.

You know what, I am pretty sure i have a post in my iso where i explain my thoughts on krabs, huh, how about that.

Fuck your wagon, fuck your case, fuck you fucked up logic for voting WITH one of your suspects.

And you think we have him as town? I did, i dont anymore, that said i have no intentions of voting him. So do youself a favor and read the fucking thread before you go arround throwing shit.

all the best with the lynch thou.

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my bad, mixin you up with malcolm.

Okay so krab not being town is scum.... okay...so i just dreamed up the concept of null and we really live in a binary world. OKAY. thanks for letting me know.

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One of the two major obstacles to lynching Krab has been lifted, he's not a PR.

Your previous justification for his softclaim was that he was a Cop or Doctor ("People read "might as well claim" as him having something to claim, and you only do as a power role." -

Sven), so how do you explain why Krab felt he "might as well claim now" due to his "inevitable lynch" at five votes?

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lol.

prove that it was five votes.

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Then why didn't you just say he was null? Why specifically say you do not have him as town (with the clear implication being that he's scum)? So that you could make fun of me and condescend to me some more?

PEdit: You're right, it was 6 votes. I was looking at a VC that you quoted on the next page after Krab's softclaim in #624, my mistake. The basis of the point remains, as I don't see any considerable difference between 5 and 6 votes.

I said "had him as town", "I dont anymore " is the logical followup on the previous statement.

keep reaching thou.

i agree that his claim threat was premuture. with him claiming vt i dont have as big objections as i had before no.

I still have the objections of you not lynching what in my eyes is the best lynch.

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And what's so funny? Why didn't you bold your own quote? You said the only reason Krab would say he might as well claim is if he was a PR. Well, he isn't. So back to the original question that you didn't understand: you were saying?

its funny couse it sounded like you where stone set on lynching a town.

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You also said "Its not the first thing that doesnt sit well with me. WHat if krabs is doctor or cop?" and "Lol, if he was a cop doctor he would only claim as a last resort. the way he soft claimed reflects that" last night, which have been rendered moot and proven incorrect, respectively.

You don't have Krab as town, he isn't a PR, but your completely unwilling to lynch him because you think his wagon is dirty (I know you know what bussing is, so who is living in a dream world again?). You have retreated onto an a pedestal and are now just flinging feces (seriously, look at the difference in tone between Sven's posting the last couple of RL days and earlier in the thread, specifically towards me) in the general direction of the Krab wagon because it's all you can do.

And can we please talk about the elephant in the room? Of the 7 people on the Krab wagon, how many of them do you suspect? Like six? Me, GCBC, Malcolm, Kitty, Raven, and Doctor? How many scum do you think are in a game with 21 people? Based on my experience, I would wager on 5 or 6.

So is every single scum in the game on the Krab wagon? And you want to talk about stinking for having confidence in something...

Yeah you are right, this is how I am usually. I tried hard to tone down my attitude problems as of late, but i lost it again.

Its not an excuse but i get emotional when read stuf... and i get red hot instantly. sorry.

I am not lynching krabs, unless the sub starts claiming scum. leave me alone for the rest of the day.

I want to lynch scum, you claim you do, so try to understand why my vote isnt at krabs without painting a bad picture of me.

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Obviously based on my response I interpreted "I don't anymore" as "scum," and not null, which is why your response (sarcasm and condescension) wasn't warranted when a simple clarification would have sufficed. I wasn't reaching, I was reading your words and interpreting them.

fair. but you where harrassing me about not reading the cases and i thought that was unfair since you apparantly havent read mine either.

And those objections are justified from your point of view, so I respect that, but they also indicate that we are likely at an impasse. I have read your Malcolm case, and I think my vote has made my opinion on it pretty clear.

it has. i think my vote has made my opinion on krabs clear.

Pedit: Can you be a little more clear? I was responding directly to your reservations from last night, which you just conceded. The only arguments put forth for not lynching Krab were "he needs a replacement and might be a PR" and "I don't like the people voting him." So, what do you mean "it sounded like I was stone set on lynching a town?"

I mean that it sounds like you know his alignment.

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Vote: xMalcolmx

I'll be pissed if we don't get a lynch in.

I'm really really starting to think we should kill fuzzy

Agreed.

UNVOTE: malcolm

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Vote malcolm

nevermind.

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Vote count please.

I agree on fuzzy. awesome lynch.

I think malcolms case on me (which I have mostly ignored) can be summed up as spite, and not really a scum tell. I actually think its towny to come after the one pushing you... scum tends to start buddying up.

I need to re read the last days.... have been avoiding mafia and trying to find my balance and inner spirit animal.

Its a flaming warbear, soo...

Anyway, just after a skim, less sure on malcolm, large part becouse of fuzzy, i think voting malcolm for his case on me is bad... without having read the case.

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I also dont get monkeys logic on why he couldnt vote malcolm as 3rd vote, but it was okay later... not saying its scummy, i just dont understand.

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I suppose dayvig? And text means scum dayvig?

TRIPLE POWERBOMB. The Shield drops Paul Heyman and melt back into the crowd.

Mutley, well, scum team can only be 3 players... shield or whatever. sooo there has to be neutrals.

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So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

What the fuck.

You do realize that he isnt town right?

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This heyman fella, is this someone who could have like a 3 man team or something? Would that fit within the wrastlin lore?

Or do we have free roamers

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But why ever kill gcbc?

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wtf are you talking about.

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GoodCopBadCop - Paul Heyman - Heyman Aligned Rolecop - Triple Powerbombed Day 1

The "heymans" have got to be a neutral group. Whats the point of having a free roaming rolecop?

So we have heymans, shields and then town. 3+3+15? Seems right?

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Paul Heyman[1] (born September 11, 1965) is an American entertainment producer, performer and marketing guru

currently signed to WWE, where he is the onscreen "best friend, confidante and strategist" for CM Punk and advocate for Brock Lesnar. He is also the co-founder of an advertising marketing and branding firm called The Looking4Larry Agency in New York City, well known for its social media marketing and viral video production and distribution. Heyman is best known for his career in professional wrestling as a promoter, manager, commentator, and journalist.

Heyman was the creative force behind the revolutionary promotion Extreme Championship Wrestling in the 1990s. He has also worked in Ted Turner's World Championship Wrestling, the American Wrestling Association and World Wrestling Entertainment, including WWE's ECW brand where he was recognized as the ECW Representative in front of the camera, and was the general manager and brand manager behind the scenes.

The dude doesnt even fight.

So neutrals are a team of executives, no wonder they will get got.

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So Town is Town, Heymans are Indies, and Shields are Wolves? I want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly.

That would be my guess.

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Svenskt, why do you think it's more likely the Heymans are neutral than scum?

This is very scummy. We have allready established that the shield are scum.

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So this was a scum controlled kill, I can not see anything pointing in another direction.

So why kill gcbc?

I have got nothing. Unless its a antispew, "lets mess with their heads" kill.

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You must not know the flavor that well.

Paul Heyman is a manager (agent, advocate, whatever) for CM Punk and Brock Lesnar, both of whom are portrayed as bad guys.

This is an example of who Heyman and Lesnar are.

This has got to be multiball.

Well I knew this was multi ball before the kill, you cant have a scum team of 3 against 18 townies.

I know pretty much nothing about wrestling, true.

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When I think of "multiball", I think of two scum groups, not a scum group and a neutral group. (And how often do you see neutral

groups

anyways? You really stuck onto that idea quick.)

Because the name is "

WWE Believe in the Shield Day

". That kinda gives a hint that we are looking at a 3 man scum team.

Other scum groups does not make sense given the name.

Neutral does.

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So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

Hate posts like this. Scream scum to me.

WHats wrong with it?

Mourning kills is a scumtell.

Ehh... "okay".

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Okay so theory time.

Why scum killed GCBC.

Yes this is a reach.

Lets say Malcolm is scum, he is getting closer to lynch so what does scum do?
They would know that GCBC was not scum, so they could kill him, and point a finger to me saying "ohhh look at this person, pushing town".

This is very iffy and we should not put any weight into it, I am just trying to understand the kill.

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Deadline is in 7 days.

GREATEST DAY EVER!

THANKS MOD.

SCUM ARE DEMOROLIZED.

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When I think of "multiball", I think of two scum groups, not a scum group and a neutral group. (And how often do you see neutral

groups

anyways? You really stuck onto that idea quick.)

Because the name is "

WWE Believe in the Shield Day

". That kinda gives a hint that we are looking at a 3 man scum team.

Other scum groups does not make sense given the name.

Neutral does.

If you admittedly know absolutely nothing about the flavor, why on earth would you say something like "other scum groups does not make sense given the name?" And you are making a pretty crazy logical leap here. It says "Believe in the Shield," yes, so why can't there be a rival scum team that is also looking to take control? Why do the Heyman's being scum not make sense?

Dont really hink this is worth discussing anymore since we now know that there is neutrals and scum.
If you view them as "scum" or "neutral" is just wording, they are an anti town faction with no knowledge of other anti town factions.

But yes, I guess there could have been another "scum" group. But neutrals would be more logical because of the name.

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This heyman fella, is this someone who could have like a 3 man team or something? Would that fit within the wrastlin lore?

Or do we have free roamers

Like you even ask if it would fit, and then multiple people tell you "absolutely yes it would," and yet you still say it doesn't make sense because of The Name?

Wtf are you talking about?
I didnt know who heyman was. I now do.

And that kill doesn't really change anything for me. Either he was bussing Krab or, more likely, he was legitimately scumhunting and just helped catch Krab. Krab and GCBC both being scum could also explain why these wagons have dragged so much.

Explain how the kill is bussing Krabs?

And who is genuinely scumhunting?

Krab and gcbc are not both scum, thats a known fact. This is the problem with viewing all "anti town factions" as group "scum". They can both be anti town, there is a big diffrence.

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Those posts as fuzzy said are scum tells. They are over forced etc. although he was wrong on the fact that it was a bad thing for the town. If it was town cop say. We know its bad no need to say oh darn. Just gloating really

In my opinion this is a very player dependent tell. Some people are just impulsive (i know i am) and I could easily cheer a neutral death, or lash out in anger over a town death.

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We could regard them as "Scum Group A" and "Scum Group B" or SGA and SGB for short.

Or we could just view them as

shield

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heymans

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What we should be discussing is why

shield

killed GCBC.

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Ferret.

Stop saying wifom. Its a word that shant be spoketh.

Can they be messing with us? YES
Can there be legit reason as to why they killed GCBC? YES

Its just more pieces of the puzzle, dont throw them away couse you hate puzzles.

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Explain how the kill is bussing Krabs?

And who is genuinely scumhunting?

Krab and gcbc are not both scum, thats a known fact. This is the problem with viewing all "anti town factions" as group "scum". They can both be anti town, there is a big diffrence.

I said best case scenario

GCBC was bussing Krab

, as in Krab is also on aligned with Heyman. Alternatively, GCBC was genuinely scumhunting and caught Shield-aligned Krab.

And there is no functional difference. They are not aligned with the town, so they are scum. My role PM says that all threats to the town must be eliminated. It does not differentiate between threats, therefore anyone who is not aligned with me is scum. It is not a "known fact" that they are not both scum.

The diffrence my friend is in knowledge. Grouping them as "scum" takes away the element of them knowing eachothers alignments.
It is a known fact that they are not scum because gcbc was not scum.

So in your mind krab is either heyman or shield? You have way to much confidence in your reads bro.

GCBC probably just tried to blend in and push people.

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What we should be discussing is why

shield

killed GCBC.

Who cares? GCBC is dead and he wasn't town, that's all that matters. How is talking about why going to help us catch scum?

I dont even know how to comment on this.... have you ever played scum? Do you throw a dice on who to kill?

If you dont throw a dice on who to kill, or use any other means of randomness then i can conclude that you use your kills in a way that benefits you.

Am I making sense?

This is THE MOST important piece of the puzzle right now.

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Explain how the kill is bussing Krabs?

And who is genuinely scumhunting?

Krab and gcbc are not both scum, thats a known fact. This is the problem with viewing all "anti town factions" as group "scum". They can both be anti town, there is a big diffrence.

I said best case scenario

GCBC was bussing Krab

, as in Krab is also on aligned with Heyman. Alternatively, GCBC was genuinely scumhunting and caught Shield-aligned Krab.

And there is no functional difference. They are not aligned with the town, so they are scum. My role PM says that all threats to the town must be eliminated. It does not differentiate between threats, therefore anyone who is not aligned with me is scum. It is not a "known fact" that they are not both scum.

The diffrence my friend is in knowledge. Grouping them as "scum" takes away the element of them knowing eachothers alignments.
It is a known fact that they are not scum because gcbc was not scum.

So in your mind krab is either heyman or shield? You have way to much confidence in your reads bro.

GCBC probably just tried to blend in and push people.

1) What? I don't understand your first two lines.
2) "You have way too much confidence in your reads bro," says the guy whose only reason for not voting Krab was because he sees scum all over his wagon.
3) Or he was scumhunting to look town and not get lynched. How is executing a fake dayvig gambit "blending in?"

1. Lets say we have two groups of anti town... they are two groups because they do not know the other group. SO a player from group A would not know a player from group B, this effects their actions. You negate all this by grouping both factions together.

2. True, but I mean... what you are saying is that Krabs will fall anti town 100% of the town. What I had was major doubt and concern with the people voting Krabs. And krabs never was my front scum suspect, I feel like you are using words to paint me badly here.

3. Yes scumhunting to look towny, thats what I am saying. What is a fake dayvig gambit "bledning in"? i dont understand.

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Yes, I have 3 completed scum games in the few months that I've been here and I've won twice. Do not condescend to me.

This is evidently a theory discussion about NK speculation. If you can actually answer my question rather than call me an idiot (again) then maybe we can move forward with it. What, specifically, will we gain by speculating on why Shield killed GCBC?

I did not call you an idiot? I just dont understand how someone who have played as scum can just go "wifom, lets not give a shit about the KILL"

I am not condencending, sorry if it felt that way. I was seriously asking.

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Desperado, in my mind a person of the heyman faction does not know who the shield members are.

This, in my mind, is a 100% certainty. might be where we are seeing stuff dirfrently

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DESP IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT I HOPE TO GAIN FROM DEDUCING THE REASONING BEHIND THE SCUM KILL THEN I HAVE NO INTEREST DISCUSSING WITH YOU ANY FURTHER

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1) Why are you treating me like I'm a child? I don't need you to explain to me how multiball works. And if you were actually reading what I was saying, you would know that I'm fully aware of this as well, considering I said that either GCBC was bussing Krab (i.e. they are on the same team and he knows he's scum) or GCBC was legitimately scumhunting and caught Shield-aligned Krab (i.e. they are on different teams and he didn't know he was scum). So why are you explaining this?

This makes so little sense. You dont know if KRABS is good or bad, stop acting like it. IF ANYTHING krab is either town or shield

2) I am saying Krab is my scumread. I think he's scum. GCBC's death has no effect on that read. How am I using your words to paint you badly when that's what you said? You didn't have him as town but you refuse to lynch him because you were so confident about scum driving his wagon. Now you are chastizing me for being so confident in my read. This is a disconnect.

GCBC flip has no bearing on krabs other then that I find it unlikely of Krabs to be a heyman. It feels like you are going out of your way to not understand my logic. KRABS NEVER WAS MY NUMBER ONE SUSPECT, AND EVEN IF HE WAS I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED HIM WITH THAT WAGON.

3) You said you thought GCBC was blending in and pushing on people. That is not the same as "scumhunting to look towny." My point was, how do ou reconcile "he was blending in" with "he executed a fake dayvig gambit?" That was the exact opposite of blending in.

No I am saying that GCBC was TRYING TO BLEND IN, I FOUND HIM VERY SCUMMY AND PUSHED HIM HARD

PEdit: Did I say WIFOM? I said it's irrelevant.

Why do you want to talk about the death instead of find scum?

Why are you arguing with me about talking about the death instead of just...doing it? I'm not stopping you from doing whatever speculation you want, I'm merely making it known that in my opinion, trying to figure out why GCBC is dead--rather than just acknowledging it and moving on--is a waste of time.

ZERO, amount of sense it makes.

I am asking for opinions because A, I have no clue, and B, other people know the tendencies of MS better than me.

So for the third time (yes you ignored it again),

what specifically do you hope to gain by speculating on the kill?

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Lol rated.

Wow so much happening right now OMG

ferret, rated is someone we can lynch soon.

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Lol.

Yeah I have alot of people i wanna lynch

RATED, FUZZY, MALCOLM

^first tier suspects.

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I am done with you for now desp

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Is it possible for us to lynch Doctor C

Like right now

Why??

He's scum

How do you know?

How do you know?

I haven't been paying that much attention to the thread but I think he's a better lynch than most of the wagons up right now

Lol.

Yeah I have alot of people i wanna lynch

RATED, FUZZY, MALCOLM

^first tier suspects.

Why are those people your suspect

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Rated.

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RATEDR and xMALCOMx have already been explained. Not sure about fuzzy, however.

I agree I would be fine with an xMALCOMx or RATEDR lynch today.

I have the same itch that nero has, nero has called out almost everypost I feel bad with. Fuzzys post about "wanting malcolm dead or i am pissed" got me to unvote... but i dont know.. i am back in the saddle for now.

no, we should be lynching Goat or Despo.

Not despo, my read is noob town. Goat is okay but not great. Keep pressure on malcolm, nacho should be able to come across as town if he is one.

Ummm... RATEDR just TOLD us that he hasn't read the thread. Scummy? Yes. Sven's case? Yes. Let's lynch RATEDR. Noone else sees the scumminness of xMALCOMx...

VOTE: RATEDR

Uhm, malcolm was one vote from being tied lead wagon...

Since when is not reading the thread a scumtell

Its not, but it is anti town. Ask yourself how we should know that you are town?...you are putting in no work, you are not even reading the game, why should we let you stick arround?

Okay so theory time.

Why scum killed GCBC.

Yes this is a reach.

Not at all a reach, I hate to speculate flavor, but I will do so anyways.

One of the big defining things about The Shield is that they come out of nowhere (through the crowd, sometimes after lights turn off ala Undertaker) to attack someone. It is very possible that The Shield has a 1-shot day-vig as long as they're united. Or better yet, perhaps the flavor is that they can't do their kill at night, and must do it at day.

That said, it doesn't explain why they'd get GoodCopBadCop, which was kind of obvious Mafia from the beginning, so I guess maybe it was a vig from Town and the flavor is just that The Shield kills everyone in this game...? Sorry, flavor-speculation, I'm just interested in it, I can't wait for the OP to reveal the roles at the end.

Good, but I want more. you basicly just started with the question "why id they kill gcbc, and ended with the question. I dont think all kills are shield flavored. Until we see ALOT of kills that are shield flavored and no other flavors of death then you shouldnt think so either.

I think sven wasn't trying to make a case when he quoted those things, I just think he was being a jerk and calling us bad players who don't give effort and shit.

-Grazie

I am not a jerk. You come in here, asking to lynch someone because you dont like any wagons and you havent read the last 40 pages. What I do is I hold you accountable for that. Because to me its shit. And I want to get that message across. Work with me and you will have no problems with me.

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horrible vote. I'm assuming its TAM.

I wouldnt.

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VOTE: malcolm

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What's "TAM"?

ametysth actor is a hydra, two people playing the account, one is marangal, the other is tam

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Rated, yes i know you are a hydra, i dont understand why that matters

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Rated, yes i know you are a hydra, i dont understand why that matters

You were replying to SGR, SGR HAS been reading the thread. The person you are talking about is me

Oh. what is sgr short for?

Anyway, who are your suspects and top townies then?

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Speculation: The Shield killed GCBC because we are right about most of the people on the Krab wagon being scum. They think this creates WIFOM that keeps us off of their back for a night or two. If they had killed a pro-town player, then it would have looked even more suspicious and led to a quicker scum demise.

Course of Action: Proceed with the malcolm lynch. Second best lynch is desperado.

Thanks for the speculation.

The problem I have with this is that you sum up "all pro town players", if killed, pointing towards scum.

1. I dont know who the pro town players you are reffering to are
2. Who ever they are I would assume they have diffrent reads and one could be found that didnt point towards scum.

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And monkey, i really dont think desp is a good lynch candidate today. What do you think about fuzzy and rated?

Others that are of interest, Arcangel, ametysth actor and goat.

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I am voting malcolm.

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SGR, SGRaaize

I think most of the hydras is town, I dont see Malcom as a good lynch today since his posting looks town to me.

Scum are Doctor C, MonkeyMan, and possibly Ferretlover atm.

I've done a short skim of this thread and that's how my reads have changed anyway

Dare I ask for reasoning.

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Just want to make sure your vote stays there.

Well mister bossy pants, I like to think of myself as flexible, and if malcolm starts doing things that looks good I will switch. My vote is mostly a whip in the early days. But the willingness is there.

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Desp has been town, then scum.

But after our "discussion" about the nk i just think he comes from a town state of mind. Cant precise it more but I mean, I think the inexperience shows and that he really wants to figure stuff out.

Lets give him time. We could also read his scum games.

But yeah, I think there are like 8 people i could kill before desp.

Agree with your question regarding why peta is town.

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Instead of looking at hydras why don't we look at people on the Krab wagon and figure out which of those are scum since the Malcolm wagon was gaining steam when GCBC was killed.

Scum will never crowd a wagon in my experience. So focusing on that wagon when we dont even know krabs alignment is not good imo.

Not saying you are wrong but do you see a connection between the gcbc kill and the malcolm wagon?...I mean there is a connection, but what would the logic be for killing gcbc in that case? or did you just explain that and i misunderstood

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I'm not saying scum are "crowding" the Krab wagon, but I'm willing to bet 3 or 4 of them are scum.

Thats crowding... considering that the scum team is 3 players. You are also sounding like desp here, there is no reason to belive that scum are crowding krabs wagon.

The connection between the Krab wagon and the Malcolm wagon is that they are competing wagons.

One is likely town and one is likely scum.

This is a dangerous leap. You make a case based on that leap. I can see both wagons being town... both can be anti town too... until we get some flips there is no way to know. I think we should look at individual actions and not focus entirely on who people voted.

What I need to do is reread the thread and figure out who was defending GCBC.

Good. Ametysth actor comes to mind, since i first started pushing gcbc aa has been defending without much reasoning if i remember correctly

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thats some elite qouteing.

i couldnt follow everything in that post... somone asked someone to claim...and someone thinks its scummy or not scummy


EDIT. goat, wtf are you doing, do you want to die?

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i just saw the vote and went "wtf lol scum obv"...

But goat, your post is kinda good, but for the love of god unvote

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And...by the way, Nero...did you not like where I was on the GCBC wagon? JUST CHECKING.

well that is really just saying that you are less likely to be heyman, you could still be shield

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Just to clarify, 1291 was what my last post was talking about.

the post is good i think, i belive what he is saying

vote is beyond the beyondness thou

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i just saw the vote and went "wtf lol scum obv"...

But goat, your post is kinda good, but for the love of god unvote

Explain.

Explain what?

Why nero is town?

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Goat, I am not explaining why perhaps the most town friendly player in the lineup is town.

Now if this is spite then so be it... but you are the one that has to bring the reasoning here.

But I strongly urge you to ignore nero for awhile and do something constructive

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well okay. lets leave it there.

but goat you are in another boat then nero, you are in danger of being a lynch today, maybee not very likely but you are in the discussion. if you are town you need to prevent that, doing work on nero will not achive that.

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But I strongly urge you to ignore nero for awhile and do something constructive

Well its not like I'm going out of my way to harass him or anything. I don't get why his panties are in a bunch.

you are a big jerk.

naw. i am not saying that, but aparantly goat feels that way so he should ignore you for awhile regardless.

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goat, you will never win this fight vs nero, going at him. he has done to much for town.

what you can do is to work on the game, if nero is a legit suspect of yours then i sudgest switching to your second suspect.

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goat and rated are "mhe" compared to fuzzy and malcolm.

I make these rankings based on gut.

Keep pressure on malcolm for now

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no, just no.

They are both good, malcolm is better.

Please read some of nachos town games if you feel unsure. or maybee you can find something and convince me that i am wrong.

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Nice addition from jebus, nice very nice.

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well i am not interested in his case on you, and me>you

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[Kise]

I don't know if you're off on this with Svet but am interested in who you think is most likely to fit with Svet if your predictions are accurate?

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People I feel have a good chance of being scum right now:

Svet+Monkey for same team (similar defense/brush off as seen in Flavorless)

You having me as scum.

RatedR (one of my bottom end scumreads - Nacho last said he wasn't a fan of their posting)
Goat (I know it looks like I'm going after everyone voting me, but my iso will show I've been targeting these players far longer than that)
Mutley (I'd always be suspicious of people who are first on the scene during daykills and such, and he didn't add much other than saying he was confused)
Dr C (comes every now and then to help push a case ala Krabs, nothing outside of oneway sniping)

I can also tell you as of a few days ago, Nacho has ferret as town and Desp as scum. My reads have been inverse of those.

in particular "his posting here resembles how he was posting as scum!!!" stinks worse than mark henry's jock strap, it's all drawing comparisons between how he played that game and this game, ignoring the fact that

his posts will be similar because he's the same person

. it fails to attribute an actual scum motive for the most part other than "he is defending the popular wagon!!" which is a great scum-tell...for a baby. scum sometimes defend lynches, so do town, it doesn't mean anything unless you actually bother to analyze

why

they're doing that but there's none of that here

That's a bit heartbreaking. Meta for meta, I think my links are more thought out than the case on Nacho. If I were to die and show you I'm town, how much weight would my case hold for you then? I would really appreciate it if my suspects weren't lost in the shuffle because your opinion is that I was misguided.

And did you click the links to actually read them and not just view my tl;dr samples?

So this was a scum controlled kill, I can not see anything pointing in another direction.

So why kill gcbc?

Didn't you think they were scum too? They either meant to crosskill (knowing it was multiball), thought GCBC really was a dayvig or some other PR, or there's another unknown reason.

WIth the size of this game, I don't see a traitor being involved. With two scumteams known, what is your view on voting with suspects now? There should be no excuse not to vote for people being flat out scummy regardless of who else is on their wagon, as Shield could be going for Heyman guys and vice versa.

Yes I thought GCBC was scum, I am awesome, I know.I think you are right about the kill theory. dont know how i forgot about that. No i will still not vote someone that has a shady wagon, it being multiball does not change that, well maybee some but not entirely.

Can people stop saying krabs is their scum read. I've replaced him now so I am your scumread

Can you get to work?

Is it possible for us to lynch Doctor C

See above. He's not a busy body. I wouldn't rush the lynch but I'd vote.

Ummm... RATEDR just TOLD us that he hasn't read the thread. Scummy? Yes. Sven's case? Yes. Let's lynch RATEDR. Noone else sees the scumminness of xMALCOMx...

That wasn't a fucking case, how old are you?

no, we should be lynching Goat or Despo.

There's known 2 scumteams; likely 5 more scum at the least. List more suspects, please.

I'm on page 51, brb

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You guys are stupid. the Malcom wagon is being pushed by scum, and he was pushing the Scum-Krabs wagon which I still highly advocate. why do you want to put the Krabs-scum read on the back burner?

Keep whining. Krabs will not go throu for awhile with a known scum on the wagon that was defended by others on the wagon.

and no, it was me who posted the vote post and this most recent one, not Dad

dingdingding

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Something else to consider. The Shield team knew that they had a dayvig shot at their disposal (possibly more than one), so how do you suppose they would have reacted when GCBC announced his bogus dayvig of Sven? They would have known right away that he was a member of the opposing Scum team. ("If our Scum group has a dayvig, then the other Scum group must have one as well" or something along those lines.) They would have immediately realized that they needed to get rid of him, so it would make sense for them to try to discredit him, right?

Who jumped on GCBC right after he made his "dayvig"? Desperado, Krab, and The Goat. There is Shield scum in that trio. Guaranteed.

Welcom to town city.

You guys are stupid. the Malcom wagon is being pushed by scum, and he was pushing the Scum-Krabs wagon which I still highly advocate. why do you want to put the Krabs-scum read on the back burner?

We had Krab at seven votes for more than twenty pages. He may be obvScum, but until there are enough people who realize it, that lynch isn't going through.

I want that slot dead -- I really do. Realistically, though, with the current group of people playing the game and the number of players who are either vehemently opposed to that lynch or who just don't give a damn one way or another, I just don't see it happening right now. I'm just trying to be pragmatic about it.

This level of quality posting tears my eyes. Thank you. You are awesome.
100% serious.

@ NERO, it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the game could not have only 3 ANTI TOWN players.

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Oh, all good then.

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Ya'll should vote Sven, that post I quoted in that vote post shows him slipping. He stated that he knew that the game was multi-ball because there couldn't be a team of three against a town of 18. insinuating that he knew how many people were on the scum team.

I did not insinuate. I KNEW, that the scum team had 3 players. A few other non scum players did aswell, its called logic.

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and I'll keep on whining about Krabs not being lynched until I see good reason to believe otherwise just as I do for alot of my scumspects

Nobody will listen to you and you will only look scummier.

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am out till Monday morning.
will catch up on Monday.. sorry

Allright, monday it is... it better be good because I kinda want you dead.

My level of irritation with this game is to the point that I'm tunneling on certain people and not behaving pro-town. Gonna step back and reread from the beginning.

When can I expect a post on this reread?

I need to be more active.

@Malcolm: top three players you'd lynch?
@Rate: explain why I'm scum and then put your vote where your mouth is.

Skull is playing like his town meta.
By the way, @whoever said I was one-way sniping, 100% right. I'm convinced Krabs slot is scum and Mutt has done nothing to dissipate this. It's worrying how fast the wagon collapsed -people on it must not have believed in it. Will re-read.

Will you be more active?
What is skulls town meta?
Why is the collapse of krabs wagon (which had one anti town player atleast in it) worrying?

C Niall is getting close to top tier suspect.
AA being AA
Goat talking big, will hopefully deliver.

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Can krabs/mutley be scum? sure.

Do I think he is the best lynch? hell to the no.

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I am just so happy that the scum took down gcbc, ubermegalol.

What did it get us?

[x] took out a suspicious player
[x] took out a anti town power role
[x] made people be towny and interracting
[ ] got town buthurt

Thanks scum.

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No, I am thankfull for that kill.

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And this is retarded but I will say it anyway.

The argument that scum was affraid of day vig gcbc holds more true if I am scum, like I would have a reason to kill him because if I belived he was dayvig i would also belive that he might be coming for me.

So whatever... thats a scum point to me.

What happened thou is probably stated by skulls, scum was just affraid or thought there was value in killing gcbc. I dont know how right gcbc was on his reads, but i tend to think that scum didnt care and just hoped to net a power role.

If I was scum I would in this instance have killed gcbc I think... I would have had reasons for it.

But I think overall that skill kill was horrible and just a gift to the village.

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Like... if I am scum and i know that player x is a town vig I dont auto kill him, I see where his reads are at because if he is way off then that will probably just be added town kills.


Dont know where I am going with this, but I guess its better that I bring it up than some other.

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Raven we have 3 scum to deal with... and probably 2 neutrals/second scum faction.

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It means that they are a faction (the heymans) that is neither scum nor town.

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heymans are neutrals.

discussion has ended.

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this might seem like semantics(is that the word for it?) but it fills a function in that we seperate the groups. This is important because these groups act without the knowledge of eachother.

I will not stand for both of them being grouped as "scum". Thats is anti town.

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Raven, we dont know yet, we will have to see what happends tonight.

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and say which you're hunting for when you post

Why would town do that?

Shield and Heyman-aligned will tend to act differently towards different players, right? If someone was, for example, trying to stall the GCBC wagon, that would be a tell for them being Heyman, but not Shield.

This is spot on. COuld you keep posting more like this in terms of thoughts and analyses?

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ok, I just kinda want to kill Sven now. The Heyman faction is not town, therefore they are scum. Its not a cult, and I doubt its an independent rolecop (though that would be neat) Occam's razor says its a mafia faction and Sven being cautious here makes me want to stab him in the face.

KNIVES ARE FOR PUSSIES

I KNOW THEY ARE ANTI TOWN

I DONT WANT TO USE THE SAME WORDING !

RGAGRGAGRGAGRGAGRGAGRGGRGRAGGRGAR


THUNDERDOME???!?!?!??!?!?!??!

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THEY ARE AN ANTI TOWN FACTION CALLED HEYMAN

THEY ARE NOT SCUM

SHIELD IS SCUM

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bring it on Sweedish alt

vote me tennesse temptation

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All good bro.

Lets keep fishing scum, you can level out my moron brain with your retard brain.

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ehumm, pretty sure me and nero are just having fun here bro.

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but if retard is a banned word then i will refrain from using it.

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Look nero, i know they are "scum"

My issues is using the same description on both "scum" teams, okay? Lets leave it there.

I am gonna have alot of work this week, will not stop me from posting but i will not be making huge cases.

But from memory I can go with like 5-7 people right now.

I think fuzzy is a better lynch than goat, malcolm being the best still thou.

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@Stal: How do you know Heyman is indi and not scum? Secondly what is the difference as far as we are concerned?

I know because heyman is not spelled shield.

The diffrence is in tendencies of all "anti town" faction players.

A "anti town" faction player will not know the identity of all "anti town" faction players, this will effect their decision making AND should effect our judgment.

For example, it okay to say "i get scummy vibes from X because blah blah blah" This is okay and can refer to both factions of anti town.

I cant precise it better

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Okay.

1. Nobody can know, unless they are one.
   
2. Indies are possibly not a threat to us; while scum faction(s) definitely are a threat.

Heymans are def a threat. I would be very suprised if heymans didnt have killing power.

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The only Indies that I can think of that want Town dead are Survivors and SK's.

And drug dealers

No.

I think the pm for the heymans says that they win when they reach parity with town and nothing can stop them... so in that sense I view them just the same as shield.

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Once again:

If GCBC was self-aligned, he would not have flipped "Heyman-Aligned Rolecop." He would have flipped "Self-Aligned Rolecop."

I love your posts.

Who do you trust so far?

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But what if there was a faction that didn't have a NK? That would make sense in GCBC's case.

This is speculation that we might get answered tonight.

I dont understand the connection to gcbc.

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You can't just "disregard" someone in a game like Mafia. You have to read everything and make logical, educated decisions. If you just "disregard" Nero because he suspects you then you will definitely be seen as scum.

Good post.

I actually told goat to ignore nero for awhile, in the cases where goat is town he have to be in a stress free environment. =)

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No dont chill, you have been chilling, focus on other stuff, ignore them.

Give me stuff.

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There is also the case of scum having a harder time to move their votes and changing their reads. Thats true for me atleast.

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So say that someone is tunneling on someoneelse for 2 weeks, thats not a good look

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Fantastic stuff as usuall AA.

Not.

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[quote="In post 1423, Amethyst Actor"]Dad here,

And My brain is full of WTF is going on?

Right now I agree with Mom that whoever is playing Krabs now (I forgot the player's name Mutley I think?) is likely scum and that Stal is prob scum for the reason that he "knew it was multiball from the beginning," YET "knows nothing about wrestling..." Which I confess I know little about it too... But my automatic assumption wasn't that it was multiball,

I actually assumed that the scumteam would consist of 5 or 6 players.[

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I dont buy this. Sounds so fake. Can you understand why?

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Doesn't sound right to me either. How many large games have exactly one anti-town group?

Unvote:
Vote: AA]b]

Ehhh...
Monkey you do very good posts and i want to place you behind nero in terms of trust but then you have very wierd posts.

Doesn't sound right to me either. How many large games have exactly one anti-town group?

Except that's not the point....

Exactly.


@ Skull, you should definetly trust nero, towniest dude ever.

AA escaladed quickly.

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@Malcolm: top three players you'd lynch?

Krabs replacement: #1+++
Goat
RatedR

Jesus Christ, stop being such a fucking baby, Goat.

He's not being a baby. He's using his lurking as a strategy.

Could you give reasons with those reads, like more than a sentance.

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Monkey, could you talk to me about why you are acting so diffrently towards my AA case than you did to my malcolm case? Am I wrong to assume that you have/had about the same level of suspicion on them?

Also I never got the stalled vote on malcolm, what am I missing there?

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While you all look into things too much. I am going on my biggest scum tell.

VOTE: ferretlover

Case please.

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Mutley, try to describe thoughts as best you can, not just ten words.
Think of how hard I have been defending you/krabs.

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Did i type that ferret? Think skulls did?

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@ Raven, same wuestion, who do you see as town and why?

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Mutley, try to describe thoughts as best you can, not just ten words.
Think of how hard I have been defending you/krabs.

It's hard to replace in, so I am trying to not focus too much on what happened before. Krabs did me no favours and has given too many wrong impressions. I realy didn't like ferret lovers post after the day kill and it screamed scum to me. My biggest scum read so I want to move him onto 2 votes equal at the top.

please don't make me write a case on this though
this should be obvious as hell

I will get back to you on you case post which had some good parts but I have questions... but that will come when I have more time.

I really want you to explain whats scummy in that post thou couse I dont see it, I can sorta see where you are going but its far from being "obvious as hell", and that wording, to me who dont see the super scummy in the post, continues to indicate that you are trying to paint mutley badly.

Thirdly, I am not you, my reads change, it might seem like i have tunneled on you and will never stop but I want you to know that I would be thrilled to find towny post of yours, i like parts of the cases you had, will get back on that, but I donyt understand why it has taken so long.

What I am trying to say is that I am far from set on your lynch, I am willing to lynch you,, so there is light in the tunnel blah blah blah.

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@Mutley- Who do you see as town atm and why?

No one, I am not a psychic

You are in no position to make jokes... alot of people want you dead.

Give us your reads.

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vote:Goat

join us Sven and Monkey

I´ll join when I am comfortable leaving malcolm alive, until then I am staying there.

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Sorry, still not caught up; Mother's Day was busier than I anticipated.

Mutleyddmc, why not have any town reads? You have a vote where you think scum is and that wasn't a read that came about by telepathy.

I am pretty sure most people read mutleys post as a joke, he probably has reads. He just made a bad joke with regards to timing.

Also why did you feel the need to state something that I had just brought up? I mean if time is an issue it seems like you are wasting it.

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I really want you to explain whats scummy in that post thou couse I dont see it, I can sorta see where you are going but its far from being "obvious as hell", and that wording, to me who dont see the super scummy in the post, continues to indicate that you are trying to paint mutley badly.

He's trying to push everything that happened in the past under the rug and is pushing easy lynch but probably town ferretlover for "his reaction after the daykill". That's opportunistic as all hell while showing him being self-conscious about how scummy Krabs was.

How is ferret an easy lynch? Easy lynch woul be goat. And I dont see how he is pushing everything under the rug, THIS SLOT IS TOWN X% OF THE TIME, while i understand what you mean you cant appraoch people like this. Everything he does will either be null or scummy because you make it fit. WHat I see is that, yes you have a point, it might be excusing "obv scumming" but it might also be sincere and comking from town. You completely disregard that and THAT is scummy and or antitown.

Thirdly, I am not you, my reads change, it might seem like i have tunneled on you and will never stop but I want you to know that I would be thrilled to find towny post of yours, i like parts of the cases you had, will get back on that, but I donyt understand why it has taken so long.

I'm not worried about you tunneling on me. I play at my own pace. Sometimes that translates into aggression, sometimes it doesn't.

Okay, I can understand that. But can you understand my problems with you? Or atleast know what they are and talk me through what I am missing?

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Because I'm asking specifically why he feels he can give a scum read but not a town read. I don't get a jokey feel from his posts.

As far as time, I have a few minutes to post and figured I'd rather follow up on something that's a current issue than read page 23.

Okay, we read the post very differently.

Bolded is good, keep that up. Use past posts for "data collecting" and keep up with the current issues. I like this very much.

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I am pretty sure most people read mutleys post as a joke, he probably has reads. He just made a bad joke with regards to timing.

Wait, why did you read that post as a joke?

Because I take it that he is making fun of the question asked to him.

"Who do you

see

as town" Question is usually "who are your town reads?"

"I dont have a crystalball".

That should clear it up.

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How is ferret an easy lynch? Easy lynch woul be goat. And I dont see how he is pushing everything under the rug, THIS SLOT IS TOWN X% OF THE TIME, while i understand what you mean you cant appraoch people like this. Everything he does will either be null or scummy because you make it fit. WHat I see is that, yes you have a point, it might be excusing "obv scumming" but it might also be sincere and comking from town. You completely disregard that and THAT is scummy and or antitown.

Ferret is an easy lynch because he's a noob and doesn't post very long sentences, often says things that are easily refuted. Goat is a slightly more difficult lynch because he posts more, is more articulate, is more aggressive. Your accusation that I am tunneling is inaccurate. I am posting his scum perspective, but that doesn't mean that my thoughts are completely limited in scope to him being scum scum scum. His posting could be sincere. I doubt it.

Okay, I can buy that. I think goat would have been easier because others are pushing him and he can just hide on the wagon. What I would like to see thou is you interacting with mutley and try to figure it out because to me it looks like you have decided and you are saying "hey everyone this is scum".

Okay, I can understand that. But can you understand my problems with you? Or atleast know what they are and talk me through what I am missing?

I know you have a problem with my lack of aggression. I don't know what you are missing. I don't care what you are missing. If you want a substantial defense, you need to make a substantial attack, and I don't think you've really done anything like that this entire game. #692 was the closest to what I'd call a substantial attack, but that was mostly semantics.

I dont have a case other then that I checked some of nachos town games and liked his style, and i dont like the style of malcolm this game. Thats the spark, then there are stuff I am calling out here and there.

That should clear it up.

I think that you're reading too much into this.

I am not reading anything into it, its just what I thought happend, to me you and alien are reading to much into that post.

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Ferret might be an easy lynch, but I am saying that I think goat would have been easier. My thoughts was also in regards to the number of votes that both has, the heat on goat has been more as of late than the heat on ferret, so if mutley wanted an easy lynch, or a place to just dump his vote he should have gone to goat imo.

I dont have ferret as scum, I have him as town with like 4 or 5 others so my read of his townieness is pretty strong.

I dont think ferret will get lynched, and didnt I allready talk you out of a ferret lynch? What has happened since then, to me he has only become mroe town. I admit that his reasonings are off here and there but he seems to genuinely try to solve the game.

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You did. I'm still voting mutley, aren't I?

My point was that if it's Friday night and we're still splintered and we have to come up with something,

I could easily see ferret being the lynch. Can't you? If the options are lynch ferret or no lynch, essentially.

Bolded creates chaos and is not town friendly.

The problem with voting Goat is that he would be the 3rd or 4th vote (prime scum territory) as opposed to the wagon starter on ferret. So yes, at this particular time Goat would be the easier location to park a vote, but it's also the more transparently scummy location...ferret is an unoffensive vote that no one can really fault him for that has the added benefit of being a utility lynch at the deadline, should that situation arise. As Malcolm said, it's opportunistic.

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Why can't you all make your own minds up on whether i was joking or not.

I like Sven though he can make up his own mind easily and not take things too seriously

You could ignore the joke/not a joke and give your reads thou... they are needed.

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@desp

I dont.

Its chaos.

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Every Large Game Dad has played in on site:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25546
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22391
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25193

These all had one scum team and one or two Third Parties.

Also, on my home site, the meta for "larger" games is 1 scum team with one or two (sometimes no) third parties...

The idea of Mutliball is not one that I commonly have seen.

(I'd link you to the off site references but you'd have to join the forum.)

i can buy this. good post.

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So you don't dispute that this playerbase has shown an inability to reach consensus (thus making it likely that we will approach the deadline), in which case mutley opportunistically voting an easy target now when that target could realistically become a viable candidate in that situation is scummy, but somehow I'm anti-town for "creating chaos" that we all already know exists?

How am I creating the chaos if you don't dispute that the situation I'm describing is likely to occur?

you are on permanent ignore for the time being.

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Very wierd that mutley is okay with dying.

I´ll admit mutley is a good vote right now.

But dont make your minds up, continue to evalute his posts with an open mind.

Not much time today so thats all.

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Kay so i think monkey is scummy

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Mhe, i am to tired to get myself to do a case and I dont have time either. I Just dont like his reasoning for voting mutley, sounds like he knows mutley is town and leaving himself with an "escape when" mutley falls town.

I am reffering to his "or being stupid" part.

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Very wierd that mutley is okay with dying.

I´ll admit mutley is a good vote right now.

But dont make your minds up, continue to evalute his posts with an open mind.

Not much time today so thats all.

This isn't very good.

"Mutley should be voted
Actually, you don't have to vote Mutley after all
We have no time."

What was the purpose of this, Sven?

you are not very good.

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VOTE: the goat

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VOTE: the goat

I see.

Well, I'm glad I listened to you, ignored Nero, worked on the game, and tried to be constructive.

I would have liked malcolm or Ametysth better, but the wagons are you or mutley so I have to pick between you.

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sup nero, i dont want to do any work on this game... so tired from work and my vote is set between the wagons.

thoughts on that bro?

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dude, i dont swing that way... not even for you.

I looking for answers to wierd question. you did fine.

Day 1 is kinda over, i am pleased with the progress althou not liking the mutley lynch over goat obv. BUT YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL

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Mutleyddmc (6)- Desperado, Ravenpaw, The Goat, MonkeyMan576,Amethyst Actor, penguin_alien

The Goat (5)- xMALCOLMx, Skullduggery, Nero Cain, Svenskt Stål, ferretlover

ferretlover (2)- RATEDR, Mutleyddmc

Nero Cain (1)- Fuzzyman


Not voting (7)- Jebus, Darthe, ArcAngel9, Doctor C. Niall DeMencha, petapan, TheEsquire



looks at all those players not voting the leading wagons. Potential scum gold min there.



Fuzzy, Darthe, Goat, Despo, petapan, jebus, tES<----there some some scummers.

Good towny thoughts nero but you are missing some things i think.

The scum votes will look differently if there is a scum in goat/mutley compared to if its town/town or even Heyman/shield.

with it being most likely 2 3 man teams makes this very minor thou

good post nero.

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Triple post here not posts. Erm the main scum tell wasn't TE mistaken identity but the mourning part of the post. It's like he shooting about the kill.

I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say.

¨lets not forget this fucking lurker people. darthe needs pressure day 2.

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i'm back and disappointed to see the thread is just mostly the same 6 or so posters and don't have the time or patience to do anything detailed

Woah, what the fuck just happened here?

No cults. No bastard modding. No jesters. No lynchers.

yes, I'm john Cena-compulsive lyncher. I have a new target and I must get them lynched each day or I loose. Today my target is Goat so pls help me fulfill part of my wincon.

Unvote

Vote: Nero Cain

luckily this guy makes it easy for me

VOTE: fuzzyman

wtf are you doing? wow

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i like how malcolm went quiet once the wagpn dropped and that he has since then done zilch.

I lied, I dont like it.

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oh and good work on not answering that question Sven. really, good job.

keep being an abysmal part of the game.

and good job with not tunneling and doing something about it.

solid day 1 from you, very awesome, you will be lynched soon

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I reffuse

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lol rated
lol jebus
lol arcangel
lol fuzzy

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i am pretty sure that if there is no one with 11 votes before deadline then majority will rule, meaning that the person with the most votes will be lynched.

Good job lynching mutley btw, yeah he really seems scummy.