Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4993405 time=1369877306 user_id=10128]the doctor would protect you anyway. why risk losing my advantage?

theoretically you don't even know if this setup has a doctor. The purpose of a bodyguard is to use it to protect someone who needs protection.

have you even read my case on him? also where is acfan attacking SB the entire game?

Go read AC's posts day 2 and come back and report who he was attacking

already explained this. how does this make any sense to you? Do you waste investigations on millers?

you ALWAYS investigate first and shoot later. this shows bad decision making. Even if you did not investigate AC you should have investigated somebody else. either N1 or N2. Choosing RB instead of investigation also shows bad decision making cause RB would come in handy come mylo/lylo

If I had used "cop", I would've risked outing the doctor. The "cop" is also more valuable at endgame

no it isn't. the more "clears" we have early in the game the better it is.

Are you serious? Really? Zef? The most pro-town player? Seriously? Do you actually believe this?

yes we do, and so did alot of other people. Most of day 1 you can see Zef wasn't even close to the pool of suspicious people. I don't even remember anyone having a strong scum read on him other than maybe 1 person.

Because mod-meta is such a scumtell

Well when the mod gets around to answering my question, I guess we will find out

your claim is bad & your decisions are bad

-J

p.edit - why would he stil not protect us? we are essentially confirmed town with that lynch and the goal is to keep as many confirmed town alive..

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

so hp today

SB tomorrow

-J

p.edit - I know right? the most scummiest player in the game is the doc? I guess that's a good strategy to use.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

THERE is that doc claim.

Im actually still finding hp claim somewhat unlikely, but it actually being a doctor (and not JK like I was expecting) makes me hesitate.

unvote

I just am a little surprised at seeing a doc and JOAT with BP+BG in the same game. Just seems really unlikely. Also since scum would need some really good stuff to counter there. Like REALLY good stuff.

I almost want to just lynch SB because if he is town it confirms us as town. Also should be said CP scum confirms SB scum.

If there is any other role they should claim since we have a ton of strong stuff right now.

Given above, this is obviously the multichromatic pony part.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Also hp is using his "cop" on one of the VT claims tonight. Non-negotiable.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

nobody else vote right now, dashie has made a valid point in the QT that may not be very popular but based on the claims and the numbers, I agree with her.

hang tight and try to keep an open mind

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

After reading through Jakedash's iso, I found they were against lynching acfan because of the claim. But when hp claimed it didn't seem like they were backing off. Also I find they seemed to argue points with hp over and over again, but it could be they are just confused with the claim. I also remember NC was suspicious of them. Not my lynch option, but I won't go with confirmed town either.

you don't seem the difference between a 1 shot doc and a 4 shot joat with one of the shots a role that has never been used on mafiascum?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@mod - hypothetically speaking if there was a 1 shot BP, would your order of night actions tell the person tit was used?

sup mod, sup

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

mod, that link doesn't answer my question.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Varsoon was supposed to claim next btw.

- GC

Was I?
Why are we mass claiming?
Anyway, fuck you, you won't know my role, if any.
I'm Town.
That's my alignment.
NK me if you want a flip, shitheads.


Really suspicious of Cheery Pie (especially in that post where you gave me the popcorn) and HP.
Less of Scott, because the heat is on his back.

tsk tsk

claim your role, we are mass claiming so dashie can help figure out the setup.

btw, thinking about it there is absolutely no way HP's claim is legit

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I am a Vanilla Townie.
My only abilities are my voice/vote.
I win if at least one town player is alive and all threats to the town are eliminate

you didn't really need to type all of that because it's already typed on page 1.

1. GoodCopBadCop
2. Hapahauli
3. Dyslexicon
4. Cheery Pie - Doc
5. Jake from Rainbowdash - 1-shot tracker
6. hp[leaves] - 4 shot joat with a 1 shot BP
7. Varsoon - VT
11. Scott Brosius - VT
12. Daemon385
13. Toomai - VT

so pick either hap, Dyslx, or Daemon to go next

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@HP - u ever play with kuribo before?

You were all about lynching someone who played with him since it was suggested they may have killed him. That's kind of odd response if you killed him isn't it?

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

If the mod won't answer in thread, I'm inclined to beleive he wouldn't tell the player.

Being told isn't common anyway, that's basically telling a player they were targeted which is generally a no no. Tracker isn't told they are blocked. Doctor isn't told he saved anyone.

vote: hp

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Gcbc was the one who floated that theory, not us

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

We will confirm tomorrow if we are still alive.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Talking heavily in the QT right now. Kind of hard cause I have to translate what's being said to her.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Talking heavily in the QT right now. Kind of hard cause I have to translate what's being said to her.

Why translate? Just let Rainbow post for herself. I'm 100x more interested in what she has to say because she's the whole reason behind this role-claiming mess.

she's asking me questions, I am providing her answers since she can't access the site.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

dashie actually thinks we should be NL because we have an even number. I don't really like NL, but my experience is lacking and I know she has suggested this before in other games I have played with her.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Im back, bear with me here because this may be a bit of a large pill to swallow for some of you as I have been thinking about this for quite some time.

First I will start with the "for sures"

1) If SB is town, we are town. This is because the kill had to go somewhere N2, and if it wasn't SB being blocked, we got protected.
2) If CP is scum, SB is scum. Same principle applied in reverse. The kill went somewhere.
3) No more than one of me, CP and hp are scum. Balance

A couple "probably" things

1) At least one of hp and SB are some sort of scum
2) hp probably DOES have a RB ability. Likely either mafia or third party.

A few things that need explaining

1) hp being told that his BP ability is used up. Yeah RIGHT. With a doctor you (not only have a BP ability) but get told when its used? So we can distinguish between that 'no death' and doctor saving somepony? That doesn't happen
2) You claim that you didn't use the 'cop' ability because "mafia kill with knives". How do you come to that conclusion before the N1 death? Also flavor in normals is meaningless. Its also against site rules unless the mod puts "player X - stabbed night Y".
3) In an attempt to say that you wanted to save the cop for the time its most accurate, you use the LEAST accurate role, RB. Not only do you have to hit scum, but you have to hit scum submitting the kill. This basically (for gamestate comparison) ment if you used the 'cop' you had a 2/11 chance of catching scum. Using the RB you had a 1/11 chance.
4) You are talking about investigating us. When as stated - we cant be scum if SB is town. Checking him and getting a town result clears us and him at once. This is scum trying to not clear players.

No lynch was one of those things I was thinking early on, but holes keep appearing in hp claim. In the event hp is town, he should be voting no lynch. Its the obviously right play for him as town. He votes no lynch, investigates SB. Clears two or confirms scum.

I support the hp lynch though.

We are basically being asked to believe that he is town who

1) Has passive BP
2) Was told there is a doctor
3) Somehow knew that scum used "knives" before that happened
4) Is BP and a BG when there is a doctor
5) Opted to vig the most obviously town player in the game whos name he dropped

ONCE

(in a "X is worse than zef") comment
6) Opted to use his roleblock over a cop
7) Opted to use his roleblock over protecting a PR who just claimed a guilty result

That's not even showing why he is scum in relation to acfan.

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post_id=4976839 time=1369339508 user_id=10128]

Hp, thoughts on CD and AC?

CD?

I might look into ac later but his priority will keep rising if he keeps his silence.

Its basically all this. Passive posts about him, more looking to give him outs than to call him town or not. Not to mention is role which

CONFIRMS THERE IS A DOCTOR

showing interest in lynching the claimed doctor.

Or acfan and his interaction with hp. Because there is a ton of it:

hp[leaves] = Uncomfortably quiet. Light scum read.

And by a ton I mean five words. Plus a username.

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So hp is almost for sure scum. I actually wouldn't be shocked to learn his is a SK/mafia and caught SB who is the other if there is a third party though

@hp - You are going to be lynched today. If you are mafia though and claim it though, we will lynch SB first because that forces him into being the SK assuming you blocked him.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Also Jake, what are your thoughts on the most recent analysis I posted?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4995844

1. lynching hp is not a terrible idea because there is too many things that don't make sense and there is a role that doesn't even exsist with the exception of being mentioned in a MD thread a couple of years ago, it never actually saw the light of day. this alone means the claim is BS

2. your behavioiral analysis is flawed cause you assume only scum lurk, and as much as I wish this were true it's not. Plus he was on the AC wagon and HP wasn't and that alone gives me the benefit of the doubt about scott.

3. why is that the most reasonable explanation of a NK when we have a claimed doctor. The doctor claim is hands down more reliable and if mafia assumed we did not have a doctor due to the lack of CC to AC's claim. There are other possible explanations but they are more off the wall.


here is where I am at with you. Day 2 you were trying hard to prevent an AC lynch and he flipped scum. Now you are trying to prevent the lynch of a person who's claim makes absolutely no sense and almost has to be a fake claim. Why he faked it I have no idea, maybe he thought we were naive or something. I can ask that question post game, but for now out of the 2 people, HP is hands down scummier than SB imo

I won't stop a SB lynch and will even vote him if an HP lynch can't go, but everything points to HP scum.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

and everything dashie said in her huge post is pretty spot on, and it pretty much proves that HP is lying.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Compare it to the behavioral analysis of SB, who's voting actions in regards to AC fan are instant-lynchable.

please put the pipe down and walk away for a while.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

HP claimed his BP was used? Where?

He didn't claim it was used but he claimed to be told if it was. This is stunningly rare (if possibly never before seen) when making a player one shot bulletproof. Limited shot roles aren't even told if they are blocked/etc when they are something like a doctor - why would a BP get it?

2) Was told there is a doctor

A reasonable inference given that he shot someone N1 and didn't see another NK.

No. I mean "there is a knifesmith" is basically saying "there is a doctor". Im actually NOW wondering if hp is a scum SK-cop essentially that also picks up the doctor. That would be pretty awesome.

3) Somehow knew that scum used "knives" before that happened

A reasonble inference given that he's a "knifesmith"

I think that would be something you immediately ask. Sure I go overboard when figuring out my role if its at all up for debate, but he just assumed and moved on.

4) Is BP and a BG when there is a doctor

Is that unprecedented? Also, 3rd party.

Ultra rare. BG and doc are one of those "impossible to break" combos though without a RBer if they circular target. Add in the BP and you have quite a bit of work between the two. A bit much when the game feels just a bit power heavy.

5) Opted to vig the most obviously town player in the game whos name he dropped ONCE (in a "X is worse than zef") comment

Zef was NOT the most obvious town player. What are you smoking?

He absolutely was to me, in a no questions asked type situation. I would have lynched anypony (even with claims CP would have been the only one up for debate) before him D1.

6) Opted to use his roleblock over a cop

Mistakes happen. Don't assume perfect play.

But its simple simple logic. Sure he used a "one shot vig" when it common (is it?) fact that a one shot vig in a 13P game drags town EV down about 5%, but then used a cop that MUST hit an exact scum over a cop that can hit ANY scum? I think he is smarter than that.

7) Opted to use his roleblock over protecting a PR who just claimed a guilty result

So? It sounds to me like he inferred there was a doctor, and chose to use a different role instead of being redundant.

Protects me, loses his BP, confirms me as town. Protects me, doesn't lose BP, he knows kill went somewhere else.

Because the bottom line is that his claim is so unbelievably risky for a mafia to make. If SB is town, he's basically putting himself on the chopping block guarenteed the next day after the mislynch.

Believe it or not, I 100% agree with this. If there is a SK, it is without any question hp. No question - he basically has lost if he is the SK at this point, its just a matter of when. If he is SCUM though and has something showing SB is the SK, he actually should claim it though because SK gets lynched first if we have the choice. Its a win-win for scum, they get to live another day and their partner cant be crosskilled while we don't have to worry about two kills as well.

That deal actually goes for both SB and hp. If you are mafia, confirm the other as SK or even give us probable cause - essentially a "im scum" claim) and you don't get lynched.

SB lynch isn't horrible. Either he is town and im confirmed town, or he is dead scum and hp has at least a confirmed ability. I would back that lynch but I think its more likely hp is also scum. His role just makes so little sense as it deviates from almost every standard roles have with no other role does.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

1. you have been here about a month? HP has been here since 2008. This site also has(or used to have) an award for most creative role claim, additionally I don't think I have ever seen a 4 shot joat in a mini normal before, and the fact there is a brand new role added into it makes it even less believable. The part of doctors carrying knives is something I have never heard of before either with the exception of that thread I linked.

2. I can do behavioral analysis on a bunch of players and say they should be lynched for their behavior, yourself included. I don't really agree with your behavioral analysis

3. I don't really think HP is mafia, I think he is probably SK and his claim from an SK perspective makes sense, especially if he has some sort of RB ability. If he was aware we had a doc, him assuming we had a NK because of his block and not the doc save makes no sense. If SB flips town he would just say "Oh I guess the doc stopped the kill, not me" With us having a doc and them saving the most likely person to be killed, I believe CD stopped the kill, not HP.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

cause he IS scum. Mafia or SK, doesn't matter what he is actually but he is one of them. He's not town and that is all that matters.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

you talk about behavioral analysis, Hypothetical question

if Player A made a case to lynch player B but it never went through, and than the next day town was trying to lynch player B but Player A pushed hard to prevent the lynch of Player B, who just happens to flip scum and now is pushing hard to prevent the lynch of Player C, who has nothing on his side and has claimed a completely unbelievable role.

what would that behavior say to you?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

inally, notice how he completely forgets about Toomai when HP calls him out. Instead of being suspicious of BOTH Toomai and HP, he's all of a sudden balls-to-the-wall against HP. This is a clear example of scum desperation.

you lose credibility with this one right here.

hypothetical situation. Scum fake claimed guilty on you and you KNOW he is lying. Do you A. continute to vote the person you are suspicious of and ignore the lying Scum or B. vote the lying scum and try to get him lynched.

If you say A I will call you a liar. you absolutely vote the person lying. So why is Scott suspicious because from his pov, scum is lying.?

I looked over Scott's ISO and he has been pushing toomai, but so has HP. This makes me wonder why HP did not shoot Toomai N1 when he says stuff like

post_id=4957203 time=1368652063 user_id=10128]Toom

post_id=4958857 time=1368718115 user_id=10128]Well I'm all for NC or Toomai now so if we're not lynching Toomai,

VOTE: NC

post_id=4959324 time=1368734632 user_id=10128]Both opportunistic, weak votes. I still don't understand why we're prioritizing NC over Toomai.

and to start Day 2

post_id=4974296 time=1369260350 user_id=10128]VOTE: Toomai

The fact he killed kuribo instead of Toomai is not a town mentality, that is a scum/SK mentality.

game over. HP is scum.

p.edit - you are correct

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

btw, after doing some research it looks like HP had actually been a JOAT as a 3rd party role, in a previous game, granted this was a themed game (2010)

Bulletproof
Investigate
NightKill
Roleblock

Sound familiar?

Also, I even wonder why he mentioned he was bulletproof cause i found this in a thread that talks about bulletproofs - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2107205

post_id=2109451 time=1266159193 user_id=10128]When you are bulletproof, it won't help the town to claim it. You want to get hit by a mafiakill so that no townie dies in night.

Also I am looking through normal games, I want to know why the mod won't give us the courtesy of the answer provided by the mod in this game I just found

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3164634
[quote="mod"If I were to include this role in the game, which I am neither confirming nor denying, then I would not inform them of being targeted with a kill[/quote]

but going on, I have gone through 20 completed games and have only found 1 actual bulletproof, and I found the above statement from a mod where they say they would not tell the BP

I just went through a ton of games and not many BPs and the few i found don't really say if they are told or not.

I still don't buy the claim personally. I will leave it up to others to decide for themselves. My vote isn't changing.

I also disagree with his strategy for a vig, 1st of all a vig should NEVER shoot night 1, so if he is going to preach proper vig strategy he should first start with that one.

second, he only mentioned zef once, the fact that zef was replaced and his slot was being replaced yet again should have at least left him alone so we could actually read the slot and provide us information. And you absolutely shoot your biggest scum read as a vig, not a lurker cause the lurker could have been a PR trying to stay out of harms way. That is what happened to me in disney mafia, I was shot by the SK, shot me for lurking, i was a town PR.

that's all I got.


-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Nice speech, I read it all.

I disagree that wifom is a scumtell though. Thanks for self the hammer, it's a respectable way to go.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

today we lynch either Toomai or Daemon imo.

but I want to talk things with dashie first

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@ CP - can you please confirm you are actually Doc and not a JK?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

my gut says you personally. instead of rushing to vote, why not put together a case on Daemon for me.

show me you are actually town.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Nic was run up d1
Hapa made a case on AC and almost got lynched
AC claimed 1 shot doc, we lynched NIc
D2 I caught AC killing kuribo, we lynched him
D3 h leaves claimed 4 shot Joat. After conving people his claim was bullshit he self hammered.

CP/myself are conf.town.

There's probably more but that's an amouse bouche

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Balance wise, we are town cause neighborizer which is a shit role. Tracker/doctor.

No other power with a RB for scum.

Aside from that, I helped town lynch 2 scum.

Doc/neighborizer isn't enough for a RB

Tracker/neighborizer isn't either.

The only real question mark is do we think hp was bussing Scott for town cred or not.

I'm leaning no, but it's entirely possible

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

It's possible that JFR is mafia traitor so they aren't conf town.

@Rainbow

- Who did you track last night?

Its called game balance, stop being foalish. A RB against a neighborizer (weak role made even weaker by compulsive) and just doc? No. Drop the RB and this was close to runnable as stands.

Also im going to just progress with claims some more, we are full tracker (one shot was an attempt to kill dodge after

somepony

claimed early). N2 was a Dyslx track, N3 Varsoon. Got a "no result" <insert complaining about how this is a wrong result for mods to give here> on both. Chances are they were both "went nowhere" though.

Varsoon slot is confirmed town (if he is a ninja I have a major bone to pick with other reviewers). Dyslx is probably town as it would have required N2 for scum to have RBed and killed us, or hp used both actions (rare this is allowed even). That result is probably the only reason he isn't being made dead this instant.

@Toom - If we lynch not you and it doesn't end the game, we are just going to track you tonight? Kay?

Vote Daemon

His iso basically reads "waffle waffle waffle vote town waffle waffle". Im not a big fan of breakfast foods, my breakfast is basically a couple cups of tea.

So basically

1) CP is confirmed town
2) Varsoon is confirmed town
3) Dyslx is very likey town
---gap---
4) GCBC is probably town
5) SB is probably town

But hey... 80% playing random win here, even discounting Dyslx role info. And some of yall doubted massclaim, sure I can abuse it as scum but I know when to use it as town.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@ antagon, I will let dashie answer cause I don't know her reasoning.

Anyway, I just posted this in the QT with dashie, but wanted to open up some thoughts in here.

what did scum gain to pulling off that fake claim yesterday? It was out of the blue and totally unexpected. If we lynched SB and SB filpped town, town would be angry wanting HP to explain himself, BUT if SB flipped scum he would look like a hero, much like dashie and I did day 2.

could this have been a bus gone wrong? I mean any other time, we follow the RB and we lynch SB. It was the horribly bad fake claim that did them in. If he had just claimed RB or something, who knows.

but do you think that the push on SB was a bus? I am half tempted to use one of our mislynches on him. Call me paranoid, but that's where I am at personally. I will vote whomever my partner wants me to, but does anyone else think I am on to something?

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Hey guys, at the risk of sounding stupid I just want to say that I'm really suspicious of Rainbowjake

Jake from statefarm tends to be an irritating player as town, he is stubborn about his opinions and doesn't tend to listen to others and always sticks out like a sore thumb. As mafia, he is more willing to work with others and listen to others opinions. In this game, Jake seems to be playing as scum jake.

Rainbowdash I have seen be an amazing scum player, and her general MO is to try to take over the town with really confusing but simultaneously reassuring rhetoric that she is close to figuring out the game and will lynch the scum very soon. This also seems like scum-dash

I just want everyone to know this since I'll prob die somewhat soon

if our lynch today isn't scum, then really give rainbowjake a good look through with some scrutinizing eyes

-badcop

Sup badcop, Sup

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

btw, GCBC, why the dramatics?

"I'll probably die somewhat soon"?

I mean really?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Why not track Toomai/ SB?

- GC

given the flip, SB looked most likely town imo.

we tracked varsoon cause his replace out came at an awkard time when HP was getting lynched and it really looked like frustration in his scum buddies.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

JFRB, what makes Daemon a better lynch than Toomai?
Is it Toomai's AtE in 1182 that makes the difference?

tbh it really doesn't matter who goes, but looking back there seemed to be some pressure on Toomai from the scum, so at least for today I am willing to chalk it up to not bussing and instead pushing a ml, could be wrong though.

personally post 381 (Daemon votes AC) this looks like a bus vote, also looks like he is hoping AC can say something to save himself.

he also wasn't on either scum lynch iirc

we lynch Daemon & track Toomai OR we lynch Toomai, track Daemon. really doesn't matter.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

That's fine. We will be tracking you tonight.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

let's just lynch Daemon and we will lynch toomai tomorrow. Dashie has a slight town read on toomai and I honestly don't think he would self vote like that as the last scum. Neither are that impressive, but at the very least look at who scum was voting for parts of the game, toomai. Could be a bus but probably not. Why would they both bus him when he was the townier of the 3?

Daemon is good

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

if you are town, don't worry about it. if you are both town that is when we have to worry.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I am waiting to hear from dashie. if scum is one of toomai/daemon they really have their emotions in check.

the person who has risen up my scumdar personally over the last couple of pages is GCBC. I know both of these heads and keeping quiet or being at a loss for words is not par for the course for either of them.

If anyone has their own theories, put them out there. Just cause dashie has narrowed it down to Toomai/daemon doesn't mean we are right.

It's also possible that Dyslex is in the list of scum also, depending on if the mod allowed HP to kill AND Rb in the same night.

I feel before the day is over I want to see a few detailed posts from Toomai/Daemon/SB/GCBC/& Dyslex

I'd love to hear theories from your point of view on who YOU think is most likely partner to AC/HP also why do you think mafia didn't kill CP when he was the obvious NK target.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand. GO!

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

It's posts like the one Toomai just made that reads town. If he's pretty much lynched, why make the effort to save himself 1 day.

The hap kill really was a curve ball, from scum's pov I really can't see the benefit, especially as I was personally suspicious of that slot.

If CP is scum, I'll at the reviewers.

The points about gc/bc's vote patterns are good, and I personally would like to see them lynched before both of you guys.

Dashie is also paranoid about them.

Dyslexic is also worrying me.

Silence in games isn't good. Gonna check when his last post was actually.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Can someone explain why CP and Jakedash is Conf.town? I agree there is very little chance of scum among them though.

I've had a towny read on Daemon throughout the game. But it's more due to having similar thoughts, so I usually follow his logic easily, and probably not the best reasoning for having him as town. Will ISO when I have the time.

Scum is most likely between Toomai and Scott, leaning Toomai for me. The lazy finger pointing reminds me of acfan, and the self vote is unproductive *hands kleenex*. The biggest thing is the wagon hopping, especially jumping off the acfan wagon. Meh.

We also have Antagon (hi). Who is just null to me atm. Varsoon was fun, but never really convinced me, despite saying he was town all the time.

VOTE: Daemon

*burp*

If daemon was a town read and Toomai wasn't. Why vote daemon?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

lol, that is a horrible reaction btw.

I'm sticking with dashie's plan of lunching daemon and tracking torc, but I really want to vote you right now.

You aren't conf.town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Can you guys who are calling me suspicious actually provide evidence instead of just going "lulz, GCBC's ISO looks kinda scummy".

The Hapa kill makes the most sense from RainbowJake's pov. They're getting protected by CP so there's no need for them to kill him.

Don't end the day yet. Things have started to get interesting again.

- GC

This is a prime example of a scummy ass post.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@CP - Protect Rainbow.

I've got nothing else to say atm.

- GC

The points about gc/bc's vote patterns are good, and I personally would like to see them lynched before both of you guys.

Dashie is also paranoid about them.

What the butt is this horseradish

When you guys are at lylo, lynch rainbowjake

since I know he won't get lynched before that

I'll probably be dead or lynched before then

-badcop

btw, GCBC, why the dramatics?

"I'll probably die somewhat soon"?

I mean really?

That was when I figured you were scum

Anyway at this point in the game I'm willing to just sheep you

-bc

It's possible that JFR is mafia traitor so they aren't conf town.

@Rainbow

- Who did you track last night?
---

I agree that Toomai is our best option atm.

- GC

Y'know what fine.

Vote: Toomai

I currently have no idea what I'm doing. I will be a liability to the town until I flip or do a full reread (which will take a few days). We have two mislyches to give so go ahead and use one.

Replace out instead of wasting our lynches.

- GC

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

All of those. I'm on my phone or I'd post more

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'm ok with gcbc lynch actually.

Toomai/daemon have acted pretty town when called scum. Gcbc just flails.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Flail more bitch

I'm still not diverting from the plan. Daemon/Toomai that's what dashie said, I listen.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Last I checked, I'm near confirmed town and you aren't.

Suck it trebek

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

You can't take a page out of my book.

Your iso is sketchy.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'll ask her

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Flail more bitch

I'm still not diverting from the plan. Daemon/Toomai that's what dashie said, I listen.

lol

lynch this once we're dead

thats my dying demand

also lynching me is retarded as I was the main proponent of the acfan lynch on d1 until rainbowjake started pushing the idea of NEVER lynching claimed PRs which goodcop bought into

its pretty obvious that rainbowjake is manipulating everyone here

whoever is protecting rainbowjake at night, don't do it when I flip town, and just see what happens

you'll be fucking amazed at how rainbowjake doesnt die

-badcop

Delusional you are
Sense you make not

Lynch me , we flip town and you die tomorrow and town wins anyway.

No skin off my nose

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

We just did, daemon

deal w/ it

-badcop

Just asking didn't see anything about it is all

tbh me either but whatever goodcop is talking about he's onto something

there's a reason I hydra'ed with him, and its because hes DAMN GOOD at this game

I'm pretty obviously town here, but I'm good with being lynched if it means rainbowjake goes next

-badcop

Ok

vote: gcbc

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'll 1 for 1 with you.

Lets dance baby

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

rainbow you wont flip town and we BOTH know that

lol your "willingness" to be lynched is SO OBVIOUSLY FAKE

why would you be willing to be lynched when there's no pressure on you?

its because you know you're fucked tomorrow after my flip

I gurantee you I flip town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Fine. If you are town you are gonna look like shit when we flip town tomorrow.

You were by no way obv town.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Hi flailing mcflailerson

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'm fine getting lynched tomorrow. You don't scare me

I'll go today if you want.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Fine. If you are town you are gonna look like shit when we flip town tomorrow.

You were by no way obv town.

this is the jake slot admitting that he realizes that we are town

discuss

Learn what If means

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'm fine getting lynched tomorrow. You don't scare me

I'll go today if you want.

why aren't you self-voting in shame

is it because you are just PRETENDING that you are cool w/ being lynched?

yes it is

becUSE YOU ARE SCUM

Why do your job for you? You want to mislynch me, convince people to vote me.

You being neighborized doesn't mean shit either cause 1. It's unprovable and 2. Neighbors don't gurantee you are town.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Forgot its compulsive. Do you were neighborized but doesn't mean you are town. Mafia can be neighborized too

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

So not Do

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

GCBC: Can you give us a bit more structured reasons why JFR is scum? I have no problem following that lead if you do in fact flip town, but right now it seems more emotional than rational.

That's all it is. He's mad.

He thinks we are traitor based on anger that both dashie and I think he's scummy. He even said we were town and when we call him suspicious he does a 180.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I can't comment on kuribo, never played with him.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'm not worried dude. Lynch me today or tomorrow, I'll flip town either way.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

LOL BEING NEIGHBORIZED IS UNPROVABLE

YOU SCUMFUCKING OBVIOUS SCUM

LOL

IM UNCCED BITCH

Learn to read. It may help you in future games. I already caught my mistake and corrected it BEFORE you posted this.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'm not worried dude. Lynch me today or tomorrow, I'll flip town either way.

THIS IS SO FAKE

IF YOU THINK IM SCUM, YOU SHOULD BE DEMANDING THAT YOU GET LYNCHED TOMORROW IF WE FLIP TOWN

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

YOU ARE SO NOT COOL WITH BEING LYNCHED EVER AND ITS SO OBVIOUS

I don't know for sure you are scum, but like I said I'll gladly get into a 1 v 1 and if you are town, you are only hurting your side. You flipped cause we called you scummy and nothing else.

That's classic flailing. Your all caps rant is also flailing.

I'd much rather stick to the plan but this 1 v1 is too awesome to pass up.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Here's dashie's posts.

"Thats quite a bit unbalanced.

neighborizer is a fairly weak role in most cases. Doc-Neighborizer would probably balance with just a RB-Goon (no third scum) at 13 players. Changing VT for scum knocks that way offcenter. Lets not forget RB-Goon essentially balances against Cop-Doc-5xVT (old newbie setup that ran mid-high 50% to town)

I would actually be kinda fine with lynching GCBC today and still outright claiming we are tracking Daemon (then going to Dyslx/SB)."

And

"204
Rainbow Dash
06-06-2013
08:14 PM ET (US)
Doc-Neighborizer-7xVT vs RB-Goon I would be willing to call balanced even though some would argue small town lean. Add a Traitor for VT and its a joke as scum should crush it."

And

"205
Rainbow Dash
06-06-2013
08:17 PM ET (US)
That should be 9x VT, not 7x.

11x VT vs 2x Goon is slight town lean

I would value Doc+Neighborizer addition as weaker than RB addition. So it balances there."

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Actually I haven't voted you. I only stated a small suspicion.

oh, tbh I haven't really been paying attention to much this game

besides my certainty that rainbowjake is maf

-badcop

also I was the first one to pressure ac1983fan but thats not gonna mean shit to you guys until I flip town and you guys are like "oh shit we are dumbasses"

Just cause you pressured him doesn't mean shit btw, bussing/distancing happens often.

Not to mention that GC's play is nothing like my game and I saw his town play from the best perspective. GC's play this game as well as BC, has been lack luster IMO.


Dashie still wants to stick to the plan but thankfully she's busy so if we can speed lynch you, that would be awesome.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I already said I am ready to be lynched. so suck it trebeck

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

here are games I could find with compulsive neighborizer

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4067250 - setup was Cop/Deputy/Neighborizer vs JOAT/Goon/Traitor

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3912745 (not compulsive) - Neighborizer/Macho cop/Joat vs SK vs Mafia Tracker & 2 Goons

I really can't find any other game with a full time neighborizer. Saw some 1 shots, saw some scum neighborizers also

p.edit - you are going to look like a clown if you are town.

btw, don't fall for GC/BC's flailing to think he is town, I can show you scum flailing in which town believed them and they won the game. Salamance did it in disney mafia and got a scummy nom.

we either stick to the original plan OR we do the 1 for 1.

I'm not changing my vote, if dashie comes in and changes it that's up to her.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

btw, that 1st game I linked was the ONLY compulsive neighborizer that I found and it actually supports that my role is legit town.

doc/tracker/neighborizer is basically the same as cop/backup cop/neighborizer.

Joat is actually stronger than RB
goon = goon
traitor = traitor or goon.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

if anyone else wants to look for compulsive neighborizers, go ahead, but I looked through every game where neighborizer was mentioned.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Okay I just got home from work, am shirking a few things I need to be doing to make this but wow this game has gone off the deep end

1) 1v1s are probably the dumbest thing anypony can ever do without role related information to back it up. I have seen 1v1s cost town the game more than won town anything. This goes for my other half too. NEVER do this, its a sign of a weak player who probably should not be listened to.
2) We are town because of balance. Its the same reason that CP is town. Balance. There are three scum because the game is not over. NO MATTER WHAT the last scum is, the game is scum sided without both of us being town. Neighborizer is slightly better (if that) than VT. Doc-Tracker is about even with RB-Goon-Goon/Traitor (we actually have had that discussion regarding Dyslx, I think he is scum except for the N2 result we got). GCBC is pushing three scum with one useful town PR. Three GOONS with one useful PR is usually a scum win.
3) Worst case lynching us outside of F3 is a joke. Best case we are going to be forced to come up with a 1v1 in F3.

BC part seems to think he is a half decent player or something and is taking a page out of the "lets be a hated ass" book of players like LLD and Reck. Seriously, who are you? I want to put you on my "avoid" list from here on out because players like you do nothing but make the game miserable to play in for the rest of us. There is a major reason lots of players really dislike the ones I just mentioned, they are NOT fun to play with.

When you defy logic by not looking like thing like... how to balance games and stuff like that. Or basic "if I am wrong" logic regarding PRs.

Vote Daemon

We aren't lynching GCBC. That's still a derpy move, he is very dumb and a liability town, but he is probably town. That kill of hap doesnt come from him. We lynch Daemon today, if he is town we clear Toom tonight or confirm him as scum.

@other part - Compulisve neighborizers are rare because they are horrible. I would rather the game have a VT then that because its just a very dumb role. Most mods realize that unless they are trying to make basically a fruit vendor its better as a regular one.

@GCBC - Do you really think RB/Goon/Traitor vs Doc/Neighborizer/VTs is a balanced setup? Because im not sure how that is even close to a balanced setup. Move the Traitor to VT and I would sign off on it.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

btw, that 1st game I linked was the ONLY compulsive neighborizer that I found and it actually supports that my role is legit town.

doc/tracker/neighborizer is basically the same as cop/backup cop/neighborizer.

Joat is actually stronger than RB
goon = goon
traitor = traitor or goon.

GCBC - go read the game I linked or basically just read this post and tell me you HONESTLY don't think this is essentially the same setup.

if you are going to embarrass yourself, I want you to have the chance to do it fully.

do you see how that setup is very close to this setup? yes or no

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Shit, wrong account

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

If Daemon is town I want to speedlynch GCBC tomorrow. That's my current feelings.

If Toomai pans out, gcbc is pretty much confirmed.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Gcbc isn't getting lynched today. Vote daemon and stick to dashie's plan.

We are confirmed despite what gcbc tries to brainwash you with. If he's town he needs to read what was just posted. If he's scum, by all means keep fucking around.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I think daemon's back to l-1

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

wrong account

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

we will be tracking toomai tonight if gcbc actually hammers correctly...

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

So.... wow.

It worked I think. The whole "I will 100% kill Toom" thing was a posturing attempt hoping scum wouldn't be paying any attention (we actually tracked elsewhere hoping for Toom-scum panics and doesn't submit or a frame attempt happens).

We have a forced win

We are town
CP is town
Varsoon slot is town

That's three alive with a role that can be confirming others.

So out of pool of four, we lynch any of them. Scum cant kill without confirming/catching somepony making it (again) three clear but this time with five alive.

So forced win. Scum can give up now or wait.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Seriously, just give up. Don't make this drag on.

I want to lynch dyslex today personally.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

making us wait it is

Vote: gcbc

L-1

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

insulting and whining like a baby isn't the way to go about changing my vote

btw

that guy had good points the whole time

and I thought I had a high self opinion of myself...

you haven't made THAT many good points iirc, I realize that's gonna hurt your ego but you need to hear the truth.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

insulting and whining like a baby isn't the way to go about changing my vote

Because at this point you aren't pointing out ANYTHING I've done that is scummy
-badcop

really? - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5010876

and that was really just what i could find quickly on my phone.

but here you go. explain this one

I also wanna throw out there that I woulda lynched ac1983 fan despite the 1-shot doc claim, it was goodcop and rainbowjake that seemed to push the town onto random lynching a townie.

but YOU say this

Nah I'm good w/ lynching Nic

-bc

That doesn't look like a person who wanted to vote AC despite the claim to me...

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

^ that post 530 came AFTER the doc claim btw.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Play less scummy next time

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Hmm, now I know who you are...

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

No more hydras for me. It impedes my normal play

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

so last night we tracked toomai - no result - so he didn't make a kill last night.

Varsoon/Toomai are essentially cleared.

this is now auto win.

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

yeah pretty much those 2

I would just rather they give up instead of dragging this out longer.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I really wanted to track you but I didn't. I already said who I tracked, I tracked toomai

And I'm not playing anyone.

I respect scum not wanting to give up but in a no win possibility, it's common courtesy to everyone to give up.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Everything in my gut says dyslexic is scum, but my paranoia says its Scott with that lame stunt by hp

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Really?

Well let me see if dashie has anything to say before I choose who to hammer

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

scott - you don't have anything to add? ignore the fact it's 1v1, I feel you have been quiet.

I'm going back to read a few things before I hammer.

idk why scum is not giving up. 2 clears tomorrow means auto lose. There is no way there is a ninja if that is what scum is hoping to hang their hat on tomorrow.

ninja would not be balanced
plus ninja would have done the n1 kill and not had acfan perform the kill. There is no reason to not send the ninja if you had one, add in the fact that ac lied about who he visited.

I'm probably gonna hammer Scott but maybe not.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

actually dyslex's reaction around hp's claim seems off, where as I doubt scott would let hp claim a bad claim like that if they were partners.

this should be an easy decision tomorrow if dyslex isn't scum. scott hangs.


I am going to give scott a little bit to see if he shows up tonight, but I will hammer before bed

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Ok nobody wants to talk.

If this doesn't end the game, lynch Scott tomorrow.

vote: dyslx

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

scott visited toomai

vote: scott

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

thank god you didnt derp

now game is over, hope i never play with you again scott

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

cause when scum is in a situation where they have no hope of winning, like this game, the best thing to do is just end the game and let town enjoy their win. dragging it on like he did is a personal annoyance and really just a dick move.