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I agree with rach about mhork, I love a good mhork wagon but this time it doesn't seem justified.

I'm gonna read some more when I get to work.

Ghostin is also in my FOS list now btw. No posts since Monday and all he comments on is the modkill? Does nothing else?

@Penguin I definitely agree with you about Mhork not being scummy for tunneling. I have DV as a townread, and I agree that he's been very pro-town in how he's played, but pro-town does not necessarily mean actually town. I've been liking Saint's flailing less and less, too (162 to 168 was fucking horrible. There was 0 actual scumhunting in that and that all could have been done in a single post). It's becoming progressively more AtE and OMGUS-ey instead of actually scumhunting; if Saint flips scum, maybe we apply pressure to DV for that chainsaw defense.

Oh btw you're a townread now, but I also know you play a wicked scumgame and am going to have that in the back of my mind constantly.

In post 123, Lord Mhork wrote: By the way. Did anyone have issues with Saint just making up a fake town read on ArcAngel using a DeasVail quote? Or is it just me?

In post 124, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Town should keep making town posts or non-scum posts, at least.

Does frequency matter more to you than content per post?

In post 124, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:I sense a hint of backtracking

Is it backtracking to admit that a lot of evidence in mafia is circumstantial and needs to be parsed as such?

Wow Jake that entrance and interaction with DV is terrible. Um, wow.

I don't like Ghost's vote for letters and subsequent only commenting on the modkill thing. Do like his earning votes point, though

FBN still town.

In post 139, Jake from State Farm wrote:post 51 - self explanatory and tbh If I was a mod I would have modkilled him for what he did.

Either you are hyper-touchy or this is a reaction test. I'll go with the latter. Cute.

In post 145, Jake from State Farm wrote:I'll give you a little hit about me, when I lock onto someone I don't hardly let loose, so i'm pretty much gonna tunnel on you for the remainder of the day until you are lynched. If you don't like it I suggest you buckle up cause it's gonna be one hell of a ride

There is no reason to lynch DV over Saint. Like, Saint is just the strictly superior lynch (lynch the person being chainsaw defended, not the chainsaw defender).

In post 152, Jake from State Farm wrote:I like what he was trying to say in 39, though it didn't really come out how I think he wanted to. Any attempt to move a game form RVS to serious is always welcome as I hate RVS

Do you hate RVS more as town or scum? Why?

Like DV's 179. Jake/Mhork seems more likely than Saint/DV at this point, but I still fucking hate Saint and wish he would flail in a more effective way. Could also just be Saint scum with the other three all being town, which would fit my Saint read a lot better.

In post 198, RachMarie wrote:I will say that I know PA is pretty good at being scum and I can provide a couple examples of that. Also have games with DV.

and Fuzzy...

and Arc

lol not too many here I dont know

Saint is one so will have to do some meta stalking on him.

So do you have any reads/something useful to say?

Solid townreads on p_a and FBN at this point. Still leaning town on DV, but would want him pressured should Saint flip scum (note I do not think that DV is auto-scum should Saint be scum, but I think it does make it a worthwhile pursuit). Mhork and Jake both are both on the townier side of null (ie weaker townreads than DV). Not a fan of what Ghost has posted at all, and I have no idea who would make likely Ghost partners. Still...

UNVOTE: p_a

VOTE: Ghostlin

Bro I just replaced in so no I dont have much yet. give me some time and I will.

In post 201, BROseidon wrote:Wow Jake that entrance and interaction with DV is terrible. Um, wow.

you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.

you guys who have a town read on Deas need to convince me why I'm wrong on him, cause seriously he's my biggest scum read atm

Either you are hyper-touchy or this is a reaction test. I'll go with the latter. Cute.

I am hyper-touchy when it comes to mafia, I take shit serious and get mad when others don't.

There is no reason to lynch DV over Saint. Like, Saint is just the strictly superior lynch (lynch the person being chainsaw defended, not the chainsaw defender).

the person committing the chainsaw defense is usually scum, not the person being defended imo. also if Saint is the superior lynch, why did you just move your vote for weaker reasonings?

Do you hate RVS more as town or scum? Why?

I hate it equally. it's dumb and serves no real purpose

So do you have any reads/something useful to say?

I'm really trying to find a nice way to say this but i can't. Are you some kind of stupid or something? She just replaced in at 1:05 am this morning, you got to give her time to catch up.

@ bro

I just went through your ISO and you seem to really dislike Saint, you question people who have a town read on him, you say you dislike his flailing, you even say he is the superior lynch but when it comes down to it you never vote him, You never pressure him, in fact you don't even ask him a single question.

why is that?

ok at @Mhork

Saint did later admit he made a mistake and quoted the wrong person, you did see that post right?

also Sorry to break your heart, but you did NOT provide a valid reason for voting Saint. The below quote is essentially what you said, and this is NOT valid reasoning at all. Not even close.

So I came on here and was all "Oh. Saint is kinda being weird. I wanna do my civic duty to start a nice early day wagon. Then I saw my vote was already on him and I was sad.

First World Mafia Problems.

Anyway post 8 is dumb and fake. So is his "Grah! I hate RVS." And Penguin isn't that bad for calling him out...

That is HORRIBLE if you are trying to imply this is your reasoning, as I see nothing else in your early ISO that refers to saint.

on to this

My favorite part of rereading his ISO is rediscovering the fact that he never gave real reasoning for ArcAngel being town other than one post where she is 'probably' town. Then magically becomes a solid, strong town read. Interesting how that works.

I really hate that I have to be defending Saint here, but where in the rule book does it say he has to give a reason for thinking AA is town? If a person says a player is "probably town" why is it suspicious that later he still treats that person as town?

Did you ask Saint why he had a town read on AA? did ANYONE ask him? if not, why does he have to just explain his town read for no reason.

I have town reads on you and Saint, i didn't really explain why until you asked me too, why did you ask me to explain my town read on Saint but you did not ask Saint to explain his town read on AA? Seems logical that you would have right?

:shrug:

I still read mhork/Saint as town

I don't like all the town reads on Deas, people really need to start explaining those sooner than later.

In post 183, fuzzybutternut wrote:Jake, just drop the whole modkill thing. Seriously, I didn't even taken seriously. I knew it was a joke, and found it to be rather clever. So shhh.

is that all you really have to add?

In post 186, Lord Mhork wrote:Bonus issue with Saint's "solid" town read on ArcAngel, she has made 5 posts, none of which give a particularly townie vibe.

you dont read posts?
i have addressed this

mhork says im ignoring him in #177 for something i answered in #164 - he isn't reading, or he is lying
this is either policy, or scum, and this is SOLID proof

In post 170, Lord Mhork wrote:

In post 161, Saint wrote:i realized i did that and if you notice i have them both listed as town

You're just making things up though. You still haven't justified your ArcAngel read apart from 'he's town.'

In post 163, Saint wrote:mhork is really beating a dead horse here
i wonder if he will actually get around to hunting scum, or if he's content sitting on his thumb

I'm hunting scum right now, jackass.

In post 165, Saint wrote:you know what, i'm going with a policy vote policy of being a hypocritical village idiot. plus deasvail my strongest townread is voting him. plus im not going to be 3rd/4th voter and commit a jeep tell if he does flip town, which, if he isn't a townie idiot he's scum. it's pretty much 50% townie 50% scum from mhork at this point in my eyes, and i really dont care to lose him if he's either, if he's going to continously tunnel on me and hinder us later on, OR EVEN WORSE GET A WAGON ON ME

unvote;
vote: lord_mhork

Fuck off you fucking fuckface. You haven't provided one shred of evidence against me. What is my hypocrisy? What am I doing that's bad? What is scummy about me? Is it because I'm attacking you? Is because I'm perceiving things you're doing as scummy? Those aren't scumtells. And I'm going to keep tunneling you until you prove me wrong and start acting townie. Fuck off or get it together.

In post 167, Saint wrote:VOTE: vote: deasvail

Can we please lynch this? Someone give me one good case for why he's town apart from "I feel towniness" or "Scum wouldn't be this blatant."

In post 169, fuzzybutternut wrote:...Saint wtf are you doing?

He's being a fuckhead. You should help me lynch him.

in fact, here is mhork COMPLETELY IGNORING MY 164
he quotes 163
he quotes 165
but not 164, conveniently for him!!!!!!!!!

In post 180, Lord Mhork wrote:Then why were you asking me not to vote you? Why do you think I'm scum, anyway?

Well not so much a lie, but there is something inherently dishonest about making up a read using someone else's post. There's also the slight lie about my case against him. That is, that it doesn't exist.

you DON'T have a case
your case is reaching, self meta, hypocritical bullshit

In post 184, Lord Mhork wrote:

In post 181, Jake from State Farm wrote:

In post 177, Lord Mhork wrote:This is Saint quoting DeasVail and saying it proves that ArcAngel is town. I've brought it up a couple times, but rather than answer me Saint just sits and says I'm being hypocritical and making things up. He's ignoring me, slinging mud, and generally being a dick about it. He's also grossly misrepresenting my case against him and playing emotions to win over the town.

ok, can you help me out here cause I went to that quote and kept reading and didn't see you say anything other than something about OMGUS.

I just need to focus.

1. tell me what lie Saint supposedly said, if you want to link it to me that's even better

The lie is essentially that I'm being a hypocrite without a case and that my case is only self meta I'm forcing on him. He is ignoring anything I post and using AtE to try to get the town on his side.

2. what is the issue with Saint quoting Desa proving AA9 is town?

In post 88, Saint wrote:

In post 76, DeasVail wrote:Don't worry Fuzzy, it's great.

I may get back to Penguin later, but she's not who I want to focus on right now.

Unvote

Vote: Lord Mhork

(I'm sorry )

First, if you could link me to the game where you behaved similar to Saint, that would be great.

The vote is pretty much because the way he goes all out on Saint in 69, suddenly finding EVERYTHING scummy makes it seem more like scum deciding they want to attack a player (Saint) and then attacking whatever they can, rather than town trying to read the player.

I also find Ghostlin suspicious because of how he only considers there to be two possible suspects (more like scum focusing on who they want to attack than town trying to read every player. PoE is very unlikely at this stage of the game). Also, there's just a lack of town-ness to his posts that makes me really want him to vote him even though there's not all that much I have on him.

OH ANOTHER MHORK VOTE
NICE
THAT FITS INTO MY TOWNREAD ON AA

AA + BUTTERNUT, VOTING BLOC? PLZ? Seriously, I think you're both town with me, and we can get something done. Tentatively adding Deasvail to that list, because I like how offtopic she was reacting to Dr.P in glancing because where Dr.P bolded it I saw it already... it COULD be read as parroting, but I actually get townie vibes from that clubbing comment... just so out of place for a harry potter game, that I don't see it as scum

It's not that what DeasVail said makes ArcAngel look townie. It's that Saint takes this post, makes it sound as though ArcAngel posted it, and declares it as further proof of his town read on her. Not only that, but he's unapologetic of this mistake, so I get the vibe he isn't really reading the players but looking for who would be best designated as town or scum for the sake of lynching (which he has already admitted into taking into account).

The short and sweet is that this post has nothing to with ArcAngel, so it makes no sense.

3, tell me what post number to start reading from RE: ignoring you/slinging mud

65 is when he first says I have no reasoning. 87 is where he says again that I have no reasoning and that I'd be good policy lynch bait. 89 he again points out my lack of reasoning and steps it up by calling me a hypocrite. 111 he says that my only reason for voting him is hyperimposed meta (which, as I've pointed out, is a lie). 143 he says I'm misrepresenting and being hypocritical and now I'm a village idiot.

My favorite part of rereading his ISO is rediscovering the fact that he never gave real reasoning for ArcAngel being town other than one post where she is 'probably' town. Then magically becomes a solid, strong town read. Interesting how that works.

if you help me with this i promise I will read it before I go to bed tonight (as long as you get it up in the next hour)

2 late nights and I am exhausted and am planning to be in bed by 10:00 east coast if I can help it

Thanks

Night then, Jake.

how am i appealing to emotions whatsoever

In post 192, penguin_alien wrote:Hey, ArcAngel9, why zero comments on anything past RVS? An opinion on Saint vs. Lord Mhork? Or anything else?

Jake from State Farm, your push on DeasVail doesn't track from an outside perspective. Is there some play history you have with him that makes you think what you're pointing out goes with him being scum? And I'm not sure why you don't see the problem with Saint going 'This quote here from ArcAngel9 [insert quote from DeasVail] is something town would say, so ArcAngel9 must be town.' If it's a mistake, fine, but why not acknowledge it promptly? It's easy to pull the wrong quote when assembling a post, but trying to hold onto a read with a demonstrable lack of basis isn't symptomatic of town trying to establish genuine reads.

Saint, first you find DeasVail's quote (the one attributed to AA9) very towny, you continually list him as a town read, and then off the fact that he asked you to back up the perfunctory moving of your vote from ArcAngel9 to SafetyDance, he becomes your top scum read? Can you break that down further? Because while I get keeping your word re: voting the next person who votes you, useless though such a move may be, your settling there for a time wasn't very pro-town and was worth questioning at the least.

penguin your feeble attempts at appearing intelligent are seriously only coming across as a confusing mess
try to tone it down, please

don't analyze my play. it will be way over your head. thanks.

In post 194, DeasVail wrote:DoctorPepper is a nothing read, Ghostlin is a content-filled nothing read, Saint is a 'I don't even know what's going on, but maybe town' read, and TMT is still scummy but I want to see more.

finally, a female that admits she doesn't understand me
take notes, penguin alien

In post 197, RachMarie wrote:could we slow down the wagon here and give me a chance to catch my breath LOL .

I feel pretty good that Mhork is likely to be town. Not too many redheads serve he who must not be named ... and I am definitely not seeing the case on him here. I will find some games I have been in with him one is scum one is town and I was sure he was scum in that one too lol. Good thing Thor replaced in when he did.

Will do some ISOing and see who I think is on the dark side of things.

yeah I LOVE HP which is why I replaced into this game.

Loved the Dobby reference lol.

if mhork is town, he is a bad player, and still worth a lynch because he lies, twists, and tunnels
i don't believe he is town, anyways.
IF he is town, he is a townie. A PR wouldn't be playing the way he is, and he is endangering the town with his actions - so still worthy of being lynched - and I don't plan on unvoting him. He is taking this way-too-far!

Jake - my townread on Deas has shifted towards leaning scum for the explanation she gave which I voted her for
I am now voting mhork because he purposefully ignored a post, and kept pushing me in the thread, having quoted BOTH POSTS AROUND MY POST
he is obviously caught manipulating... which, if he is town, he needs lynched to have a lesson taught... but i don't think he's town here at all... definitely working for voldie

I said that saint was the superior lynch to DV. You even addressed this point directly. If I were voting for DV, then you could call me out for contradicting myself. But I'm not, I'm voting Ghost, who is more of a scumread than Saint for me.

Why are you misrepping me?

Also Rach's second post didn't serve any purpose and only clogs up the thread. She could have, like, taken the time it took to make that post and start catching up instead.

PEDIT: Um, wow, did Saint just call p_a dumb? lol.

Also, isn't DV a guy, like, according to the thing under his avatar?

I have a guaranteed girl-catcher

I don't like AA saying "i'm going to post reads" and then not being here for 8 hours. If I don't see something in the next 12 I'm going to vote there, even if mhork is a great vote regardless of alignment for "acting" dumb


Broseidon, why are you worried about irrelevant shit? Who cares about half of your post, here? Why does it matter who called who what... you're complaining about people clogging up the thread... but your posting has been largely redundant

i like fuzzybutternuts jump onto ghostlin, in that it is a jump onto ghostlin, but i don't really get his reasoning

In post 216, BROseidon wrote:Why are you misrepping me?

I'm not misrepping you, maybe I misunderstood you. Fine you say that Saint was better than Deas, but you would rather vote Ghostlin right?

You ONLY mention Ghost 1 time the entire game, and that is in the post you vote him.

I don't like Ghost's vote for letters and subsequent only commenting on the modkill thing

what was wrong with Ghost's vote on letters from your pov?


Also early in your post where you vote Ghost you say you like one of his points, but later you say you are not a fan of his posts. Do you consider that a contradiction? I kind of do.


Another thing I noticed, at one point you said Saint should get pressured, why did you not pressure him?

Sorry for not posting, I only got out of the hospital a few days ago.

I'll make a catchup post in a few hours.

In post 220, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Sorry for not posting, I only got out of the hospital a few days ago.

I'll make a catchup post in a few hours.

i went to the hospital a few days ago

that is not an excuse

@Jake: I don't see a contradiction there, and Broseidon has been pressuring me... perhaps you should read him in filter.

In post 199, Jake from State Farm wrote:

In post 191, Ghostlin wrote:I have to admit, the whole 'DV should be modkilled for a joke' seems like an odd push and almost overboard.

I'm not pushing for him to be modkilled

@penguin - I've never played with deas, idk why you thing my push on him is based on something other than his content in THIS game.

Really? The why even make as big of a deal as you WERE making out of it.

Saint #218, lemme ask you this: you like a jump onto me but you don't understand the reasons? You'll have to explain that one to me. Also, if you're that concerned re: me to like the jump, then why?

#222 reads like Town, but there's no reason to be an ass to the guy on V/LA.

His contradiction is liking a post and later says he doesn't like his posts.

He hasn't really pressured you, by my standard. He even said you were null flailing and not scum flailing.