Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Majiffy]

So we don't wake daddy.

[Majiffy]

Hey AP

[Majiffy]

Hey speaking of Enomis where has he been? I feel like I haven't seen him in two day phases.

[Majiffy]

Disappointment. He was such a nice town read.

[Majiffy]

I never did but I remember the commercial fairly vividly.

Also some of the classic Hungry Hungry Hippos commercials.

[Majiffy]

Hey guys lets lynch Elyse like Majiffy has been saying all day phase.

[Majiffy]

Oh, did enomis flake?

[Majiffy]

asdfgh

[Majiffy]

When is deadline? Also we need an updated VC.

[Majiffy]

Hmm, actually, no. Could be scum's ploy to get two mislynches in a row.

VOTE: qwints

Qwints really isn't looking like scum to me.

[Majiffy]

namely only mollie

Lol'd.

Replacement please lynch Elyse.

[Majiffy]

tl;dr most of this page, mostly because I'm drunk.

I'll try to get Mollie in before the prod.

[Majiffy]

Also - question for all: is there anyone who DOESN'T think enomis is scum (prior to my replacing)? Even just null? Just trying to see if there's a scum pattern/association around that as well. If it is truly "universal" then it doesn't help me see any sort of pattern that way but thought I'd ask.

I had a townread on the slot.

[Majiffy]

Vote Elyse please thanks.

[Majiffy]

Yes.

And also her reliance on "you can't tie me to a team nyah nyah!" as her entire defense for why she's not scum.

[Majiffy]

I, for one, am satisfied with the Elyse lynch. Didn't hit scum, but whatevz.

Challenge: Silver

Time for Mollie to rage at me.

[Majiffy]

no

[Majiffy]

Wait was that no to you not raging at me or no to Wisdom voting me?

[Majiffy]

Mollieeeee

[Majiffy]

Ok.

Why aren't you freaking out like last time I challenged?

[Majiffy]

Why it is "whatevz"?? There are a lot of scum left and that resulted in a third town lynch. Do you just not care if the town wins or are you scum?

She was getting in the way of town working as a cohesive unit.

Also, Majiffy, your track record of not being on the town lynch vote is extremely poor. What say you?

So is your problem that I haven't been voting to lynch townies, or that town hasn't been listening to me?

Because I don't think either of those are

my

problem when you consider our situation.

Mollie I need more from you this go around. Get into this game.

[Majiffy]

Just went back and checked the VCs

Also, Majiffy, your track record of not being on the town lynch vote is extremely poor. What say you?

This is either intentionally poorly worded or you're an idiot.

[Majiffy]

I was also the first person on the NS wagon so your argument isn't really all that great.

[Majiffy]

The defense matches the attack.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: pirate mollie

[Majiffy]

No.

But I might be voting scum. I've had reservations on Mollie's relative avoidance of this game for a few day phases now.

[Majiffy]

Hard to say. I was on her team. Obversation isn't objective.

[Majiffy]

... Observation.

[Majiffy]

Considering I don't pay a whole lot of attention to my partners as scum because I don't have to read them...?

Are you dumb or just retarded?

[Majiffy]

Why are you refusing to answer my question holy shit.

Because your question is fucking dumb and stupid.

I use both of those adjectives in different ways.

[Majiffy]

You're a tard Venmar.

[Majiffy]

Grim hasn't posted in over 6 days.
Every other living player has not posted in almost or more than 48 hours.

This is unacceptable.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy is still alive.

This is what's unacceptable.

Hi Beetlejuice.

[Majiffy]

Don't forget to switch accounts.

[Majiffy]

Because it was popular opinion that today's challenge be Blue v Silver.

Maybe you should RTFT?

[Majiffy]

Also what's up with this whole indignant act NOW? You already knew that I had challenged Silver. You posted afterwards! I asked you about it!

I don't buy this one bit.

[Majiffy]

Because it was popular opinion that today's challenge be Blue v Silver.

No, it wasn't. The only thing that was popular was that we wanted Blue to be in the pool (and even that was only expressed by 2-3 people).
You made this challenge because you thought that you will get Grim lynched because of yesterday's result.

... And I'm going to get Grim lynched by voting Mollie?

Majiffy, why bring up GG's activity? He posted a V/LA notification like pages ago.

I don't really pay attention to those things. I was bringing up

everyone's

activity, since Venmar and I had been the only ones posting in nearly 48 hours. It just happened that Grim's last post was far and away further back than anyone else's, so he was singled out.

suddenly Mollie is scum after he challengers Grim because she didnt react the same way as before?

That's not at all why I'm voting Mollie.

[Majiffy]

... And I'm going to get Grim lynched by voting Mollie?

..yes? You know people want to lynch him because of yesterday's result.

So people have shown interest in lynching Grim (Silver) and there has been popular support of seeing Blue in the lynch pool.

And yet you disagree that my challenge of Silver was not by popular request?

[Majiffy]

Partially. Problem?

[Majiffy]

Considering you were quite against Grim's lynch last day, yeah, I do. Looks like it was 100% for the public just from #2633 alone and the fact I don't think you would have personal motives to make the challenge, only external.

Protip: if it was 100% external, I would have voted Grim.

Herp a fucking derp.

[Majiffy]

ISO my play since this day has started and

read between the fucking lines

[Majiffy]

my head has not been in the game and you know it. I never agreed to it or if I did I don't remember. the indignation comes from you not discussing it with me or listening to my input about who we should challenge

I've been trying to discuss this game with you and you've continually ignored me / delayed posting in the game / never responded.

This feels like scum mollie not wanting to get close.

Majiffy, really..this whole game you are just vague, give statements and then just expect people to believe them for no reason and get pissy when they ask for further clarification/more detailed description/reasoning.

You must be new here.

Is there a reason you're not willing to come out and explicitly saying you're implying when we've reached this stage of the game?

Maybe because I'm trying to lock down a solid read on Mollie here and you fucking idiots keep interfering.

[Majiffy]

If you aren't voting her to lynch her then what the fuck, go prod her in the QT or whatever.

I've tried external motivators. They've been ineffective.

[Majiffy]

Sure!

[Majiffy]

also was there something you wanted ask me/discuss? cos so far you have not done either I mean you are talking a lot of junk in the game so why don't you talk to me here in now front of everybody.

List all your reads.
Is your scumread of me entirely dependent on my vote on you?
Do you not find my vote justified?

[Majiffy]

I reread Reign of Fire a bit, was mainly looking at Majiffy's way of dealing with arguments with me cause he was scum in that game. I feel comfortable saying his approach is pretty similar here in terms of calling me retarded even though I was right, and I think I am again. Sorry for repeating history Majiffy.

And did you try looking at town games or do you always create one-sidedly false meta arguments?

[Majiffy]

And what exactly are you "right" about? That you think a situation which is blatantly different should somehow be the same?

Good god, if you're town, I'm going to give you the belittling of your life in the post-game.

[Majiffy]

So what you're saying is that I'm right that you're retarded, and you're butthurt about that fact.

Lack of interaction =/= Negation of interaction.

[Majiffy]

Also you were scum in HoC and I was picking up on that fact at the end of d2, so again you're comparing apples to oranges.

[Majiffy]

ITT Venmar epitomizes the phrase "Dumb Or Scum".

[Majiffy]

ITT Venmar epitomizes the phrase "Dumb Or Scum".

ITT Venmar does not know what eipitomizes means

Definition of EPITOMIZE
1: to make or give an epitome of
2

: to serve as the typical or ideal example of

[Majiffy]

Seriously, AP? Read the thread.

I'd like for you to restate in a concise manner, as well.

[Majiffy]

Shit, I actually saw the QT link in my PM and was like oh fuck where did this scumcard come from, I dont remember signing up for a game. Then I clicked the QT, saw Haschel's QT post about me/Venmar and STILL thought it was a scum QT up until I read the 'temple guard bit' and WTF'd lightly wondering if Venny was a usurper or some shit.

wut is any of this.

[Majiffy]

PEdit: Why are you so upset with me reading Majiffy as scum. You sound like you know his alignment or something.

You realize this would make me

town

, right?

[Majiffy]

Hes accusing me of defending you cause we're scum buds.

Are we? I keep forgetting who is on my team this game.

Yeah its me you and grim remember

[Majiffy]

Kinda curious what Majiffy thinks about Wisdom in light of these new pages.

Dumb as bricks, which is my general read of Wisdom.

[Majiffy]

This game is too quiet.

[Majiffy]

Ok my opinion has not changed and I'll just grow some balls lol

vote: majiffy

.

Lol

What a scum wagon. I'd expect all 3 on me by the flip.

[Majiffy]

I know I'm not going to have fun because I'm just going to sperg out about the rules the whole time, and thanks to my personality, NOT doing that isn't an option. I mean, I once started a fight on a camping trip by rules-lawyering a game of Uno played with Rugrats-themed cards.[/color]

You might want to consider being less of a Nazi.

[Majiffy]

<3

[Majiffy]

venny feels good, I can follow his thinking and where he is going. I don't think he is going for easy lynches or low fruit hanging unlike some people I could name.

ap is all over the place and making such a spectacle of himself I just can't imagine that scum would do that. unsure

Are you legit reading a completely different game than me right now? The fuck is any of this.

Ven is derping and pushing for the largest wagon on bullshit reasons, I'd like to see what your idea of "going for easy lynches or low-hanging fruit" would be in comparison to that. And I assume "some people I could name" is a reference to me, implying that my one-man wagon on you is somehow low hanging fruit or an easy lynch?

Fuck off.

I am scumreading you cos you are being disingenuous as hell with me in this game. I think what you are doing is steering the game in the direction you want it to go and it isn't working out.

Give me a percentage ratio of how many times you've seen me steering the game as scum relative to how many times things actually go wrong.

I think your push on me at a time when you know I am in a shitload of games is lazy and opportunistic as fuck. your scum.

Opportunistic. On a person no one is interested in lynching.

I'm going to buy you a dictionary for Christmas.

[Majiffy]

Also, Idk how I feel about PM's waffle on me. One second she thinks im town, then scum, then town, and it happens randomly.

You think maybe cuz she's scum? Like how she flipped her town read on me based entirely on the fact that I voted her?

Welcome to being on the wrong wagon, Venmar.

yes. you are being opportunistic. and you have been going after low hanging fruit all game.

You can posit an argument all you want, but if you have nothing to support it, then you're still just a blowhard.

[Majiffy]

ITT Mollie is now P.M. Meyers.

[Majiffy]

Consider inverting your reads then, because obviously you're doing a number of things wrong.

Like voting me, and not voting

Mollie

P.M. Meyers.

[Majiffy]

Mmmmmm

Yeah

[Majiffy]

AP can we cuddle after this game? I feel like you're the only one that truly gets me.

[Majiffy]

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Grim

Since apparently no one is interested in lynching Mollie and I'm getting lynched today.

[Majiffy]

Serra you should consider voting Mollie.

[Majiffy]

lol Majiffy, you're voting me

Entirely survivalistic, I assure you.

Once you read this day phase you'll understand.

[Majiffy]

Hash I'm voting Serra.

[Majiffy]

I don't like Venmar's challenge ... Wis might also be scum.

Congratulations! You're not liking either of the most vocal proponents of my lynch!

And you

still

don't have reasons to doubt lynching me?

[Majiffy]

PSA for AP: Ok well I'm not so whatever.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, did you know my slot was VLA when you challenged?

No. I don't pay attention to V/LAs unless I'm a mod. And even then, only when people are yelling at me to do prods.

His challenge for example makes me think he just hoped your slot would get lynched because it didn't yesterday.

And then subsequently vote Mollie?

Wisdom, you are truly an idiot beyond comprehension.

[Majiffy]

If Mollie gets away unlynched in this game I am going to rage at all of you in the post-game, by the by.

[Majiffy]

Venmar reconsider lynching a Mollie?

[Majiffy]

Like I bet she'll Beetlejuice up in this thread if she garners 3-4 votes.

[Majiffy]

And then subsequently vote Mollie?

...yes?
I don't get why you keep repeating this. You may vote whoever you want, your motive doesn't change. You knew people want Grim lynched, so you challenged. It doesn't matter who

you

voted.

Uh huh...

Keep telling yourself whatever narrative you need to to feel less like an idiot.

[Majiffy]

Do you feel that he will give you any information that will change your mind? Because, really, he hasn't done any actual defending nor produced any actual accusations that stand any ground or that are any good. Not that mine are great, but he has been on the wagon to lynch three townies and had just ridiculously weak-sauce argument for Elyse (and probably the others..I ISOed once and already forgot, just overall doesn't actually delve into much detail).

Protip: Wrong is not a scumtell. Hope this helps.

He deflects with snarky comments instead of presenting actual arguments.

This must be your first time playing with me. /condescending wonka

I don't think I'll get any information out of Majiffy

[Majiffy]

Although I don't completely agree with wisdom's view, there is something off about Majiffy's challenge. The mollie scumread came more or less out of nowhere (and really didn't have enough support to justify a challenge), and there's no way I'm buying that Majiffy challenged Grim because "it was the popular opinion".

You should first know that Mollie and I play together constantly, probably close to about 40 games since she started on this site.

And why not @ Challenge?

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy: from what I've seen of your game, doing something because people want you to isn't really your style. Did you actually think you had a good chance at getting mollie lynched when you challenged?

I wanted to pressure her and see how she reacted. She didn't react well.

And Majiffy, do you have any good reasons for scumreading mollie besides her avoidance of this thread? Did you just expect people to sheep your 40 games worth of experience?

She hasn't been interacting with me the way she usually does in situations where we can communicate outside the game (hydras, for example) despite having had a strong townread on me at the start of the game. This makes me think she's hiding something / doesn't want me to get too much to use against her.

And yes, I do expect you to sheep me based on that heavy amount of prior experience.

Yeah, I get that and all....I guess my next thought is: why are you still, then, acting so confident as though we should just go along with who you want to lynch just because you said so/with weak arguments? You have a bad track record this game and I think your play style continues to be harmful to the town in this way - I think that it is scummy to act overconfident about who you think is scum to lynch and provide little explanation with the way you have voted and been wrong thus far. I think if you were really out for town interest, you would make more of an arguments/interpretations to present for consideration. But, like you keep trying to make me aware of...maybe you just always play this way. As I stated earlier on, I don't really care for meta-play arguments so guess that's that.

I find it ironic that you're calling me out for weak arguments yet you're trying to lynch me for playstyle reasons while overtly stating that "well maybe you just play this way but I don't care I'm going to vote you for it anyway"... Which is a weak argument and detrimental to the town.

Hmm... sound familiar?

[Majiffy]

you were claiming to have been scum reading me before I even reacted so how does that work.

She hasn't been interacting with me the way she usually does in situations where we can communicate outside the game (hydras, for example) despite having had a strong townread on me at the start of the game. This makes me think she's hiding something / doesn't want me to get too much to use against her.

[Majiffy]

I don't really care at this point. There isn't a single justified vote on me, so the townies in the wagon will have to deal with that when I flip.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Pirate Mollie

There are too many people getting quiet on my wagon when momentum slows in favor of Serra wagon.

[Majiffy]

Meh.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: mollie

I don't fucking even.

[Majiffy]

Yeah, but he claimed that he challenged so he could see mollie's reaction, which I'm inclined to believe

.

I don't not for 1 second.

fucking A, the timing of when he did this was bad bad bad and

he knew this

. he immediately places a vote on me to test "my reaction" but I don't get from what he has said that he was even interested in my reaction.

*Ahem*

Spoiler: Exhibit A

I, for one, am satisfied with the Elyse lynch. Didn't hit scum, but whatevz.

Challenge: Silver

Time for Mollie to rage at me.

Wait was that no to you not raging at me or no to Wisdom voting me?

Mollieeeee

Ok.

Why aren't you freaking out like last time I challenged?

It really doesn't get any more clear-cut than that.

I mean... Wait, Mollie has the words for this;

jesus christ it is right there in there in the thread.

Actually no, screw this. I still want to say they're both town, but if I'm wrong about one, I'd rather have it be scum-mollie looking too town to be scum than scum-Majiffy's actions being bad play for scum. If that means I just let scum-mollie AtE me off a good vote then I apologise, but I'm more comfortable with this:

VOTE: Majiffy

u r idjit.

[Majiffy]

Looks like at least one of Majiffy/mollie is definitely scum, this doesn't seem like the right time for them to break their mutual town reads if they were both scum.

Majiffy has dominated the game in a way that hasn't helped town. Given his influence in the game, and the skill I normally see from him, I don't think we'd be where we were if he were town motivated.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Majiffy

>Majiffy catches Mollie in a direct lie in the post RIGHT BEFORE THIS
>Votes Majiffy

Eh, the burden of proficiency tell by qwints sucks, and I have no idea what sera sees in Majiffy's last post. It really wasn't saying anything new.

This game...

.. It was saying that Mollie was blatantly lying.

Wait, hold on, I think I said something before that covers this...

u r idjit.

[Majiffy]

where is the lie

You mean where you said you have no idea where I was looking for your reactions when it was clearly evident by my posts that I was fishing for one?

[Majiffy]

However, calling mollies statement a lie is exaggerating a bit much!

You're a fucking moron. You know what she said immediately after she said she couldn't find any trace of me looking for her reaction? "jesus christ its right there in the thread".

SHE IS CLAIMING I DID NOT SHOW ANY SIGN OF LOOKING FOR HER REACTION.
IT IS EVIDENT I WAS.
ERGO
SHE IS FUCKING LYING.

You pile of fucking bricks.

[Majiffy]

Good god how can so many stupid people play this fucking game.

[Majiffy]

2) I interpreted that as she didn't see it when she first read and then re read and realized it?

Where in "where is the lie?" do you interpret that she realized anything? I'd really like to know. Because right know you're deserving of every insult I dish out.

Vote: Majiffy

Cause YOLO

Wow.

[Majiffy]

Every townie on my wagon should be ashamed of themselves.

[Majiffy]

FWIW please look at the reasons people jumped on me.

Mollie jumped on me for a lie.
Seraphic jumped on me (originally) because "I lynched too many townies" and (later) because "Thats kind of stretching to be a lie".
I don't remember what the fuck with Qwints, but I think he's a little derp.
Venmar is obvscum.
What the fuck is Serra doing on me.

[Majiffy]

Where's that scum QT. I just want to see paranoidMollie freak the fuck out.

[Majiffy]

Scum never issued a single challenge.

This doesn't surprise me. Being the person that issued the first challenge; putting yourself on the chopping block as scum is a

bold

move attention-wise. Beyond that, you're limiting the choices for townies to vote to AT LEAST include one scum. Why? Makes no sense from a scum POV.

Best play for scum in this setup is let town eat itself. And that's what scum did, and that's why scum won.

What annoys me the most is that no one went after Mollie after I flipped town. The fuck. Guaranteed scum flip.

[Majiffy]

That being said I should have stuck with my early reads; Qwints' slot/AP/Mollie (although unrevealed at the time) were my main suspects.

Damn brain, always getting in the way of gut.

Qwints was probably the star of the game. His replace-in was phenomenal, and his play from there out was pretty good.

[Majiffy]

Amrun you were scummy and ignoring that fact is just blissful ignorance.

For Christ's sake you were on my balls about the early challenge - and mind you, and I called you town for doing so originally - but you wouldn't get off my balls. You needed to be gone for town's sake.

[Majiffy]

no one went after Mollie

wat

You tunneled Venmar. Don't wat me.

[Majiffy]

Seriously Jiffytownflip = Lynch Mollie. Immediately. I don't care who did it, someone town should have issued that challenge and done it.

[Majiffy]

Mollie NEVER reads me wrong. And my logic for her being scum was SPOT ON. The fact that Mollie wasn't on the block after my town flip is just a pure insult.

[Majiffy]

And then Elyse also had to be gone, and Grim too, eh Majiffy?

Yes. Both of them were scummy.

Not to mention you changed my mind about AP, when I was convinced he's scum.

Already addressed if you'd read my posts.

pedit: lol what? I said I want mollie vs Venmar to happen, and I would vote mollie over Venmar.

Why not Wisdom v Mollie then?

I disagree, obviously, but I wasn't even saying I shouldn't have been lynched. I was saying mollie should have been lynched IMMEDIATELY after because her interactions with me were so clearly scum on town that I could have screamed. You didn't listen to me then, and then cry that no one listened to you when YOU died.

Theres a difference between your experience with Mollie and mine, deary.

Basically, Majiffy, you actively tried your best not to work with the town the whole game and then act surprised when you got lynches and no one listened to your read on mollie. That's what happens. Town is a team, too.

I don't particularly care about my townplay this game, but when someone who has played over 70 games and is dating another player tells you that player is scum,

you had better fucking listen

. If Rach ever said NS is scum hands down, I would place that vote immediately after a Rach townflip. No questioned asked, nothing. To not do so is idiotic.

[Majiffy]

If by some chance I was wrong and mollie was town

But my reaaaaad

But I mean, I agree more weight should have been given to your read of mollie, in general. You sat on it far too long, if you're telling the truth on that score. You either lied point blank in the thread or are lying now, one or the other. Oh well. I was p satisfied to see you end up scumreading her.

I definitely sat on it too long. I was considering her as scum as early as my first challenge and her shit reaction via text.

[Majiffy]

I WAS VOTING HER AND TELLING EVERYONE SHE WAS SCUM WTF

[Majiffy]

I mean seriously there is no reason ever that town should have not voted her. Ever. Ever fucking ever ever.

[Majiffy]

She was fucking caught lying ffs!

[Majiffy]

Ok but the point is I was giving late-game logic-based reasons to be voting Mollie and SHE WASN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL AT LYLO AFTER I FLIPPED TOWN WTF.

[Majiffy]

Like do you have any idea how frustrating that is?!

[Majiffy]

FYI ITT Jiffy would have been totally cool losing to AP/Qwints BUT YOU LET MOLLIE LIVE ARRRRGHGHGHGHGHGHSADHFKJSHADFKBSKASKV

[Majiffy]

Well I don't disagree with that. Venmar should have never challenged me.

You were town, yes?
YOU SHOULD HAVE CHALLENGED.

HERP

A DERP


DERP DERP

Yes, because that's exactly how I felt when she wasn't lynched after me, too.

Yeah but you don't have the meta experience with Mollie that I do. Plus, you didn't share a goddamned quicktopic/team with her like I did.

[Majiffy]

Meanwhile, on TR post-games...

[Majiffy]

but hai if you are going to pick a game to throw your meta go for the gold.

What was this in reference to?

using shouty font and scumming it up to majiffy

You think I take way too many more mental meta notes than I do.

I don't meta like you do.

No. Unlike you, when I had a scumread, I wanted another of my scumreads to challenge it. More so in lylo.

That's really fucking stupid and the same reason I vote first in LYLO all the time.

Find your enemy; eliminate your enemy.

Reading the scum QT now for the MollieLulz. She told me she freaked out at some point in here...

[Majiffy]

Aww mollie you made the cutest comments in the QT!

[Majiffy]

I made nacho swear to be on standby for immediate first aid if majiffy gets really mad at me if we win.

Aww you know I'd never get mad at you over a game!

[Majiffy]

I think i am going to have to sub out

When was this?

[Majiffy]

nah. town would have had to have won first and then spend 28 pages emotionally eviscerating each other and blaming each other for...winning.

Lol