Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

Andrius · Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:30 am

TOWN
Desperado
Ghostlin

Saki

mutleyddmc
mastin2
Venmar

Nachomamma8
FasterThanLight

TOWN VIA TEEHEE?
muffinman?
mac?

LEANING SCUM
TiphanieDeath
BROseidon
AJ The Epic

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

Trust Fund

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

So we have TF interacting with BROseidon and some form of vanillaize.
We have a chucklefuck (which is now a numerical descriptor) of people going:
A: B IS TOWN LIKE 1000000%
B: C IS TOWN LIKE 1000000%
C: D IS TOWN LIKE 1000000%
So I'm going to let that happen for now.
And am now just confused with where to proceed to next.

IF I CLOSE MY EYES FOREVER
WILL IT ALL REMAIN THE SAME?

Andrius · Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:34 am

CONSOLIDATED READS LIST:

TOWN
Desperado
Ghostlin

Saki

mutleyddmc
mastin2
Venmar

Nachomamma8
FasterThanLight

muffinman
mac

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

Trust Fund
TiphanieDeath
BROseidon
AJ The Epic

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

IF I CLOSE MY EYES FOREVER
WILL IT ALL REMAIN UNCHANGED?
IF I CLOSE MY EYES FOREVER
WILL IT ALL REMAIN THE SAME?

Andrius · Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:20 am

@mastin: The dead people are staying where they are for transparency. That's what I thought of them when they died.

Andrius · Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:23 am

It got you to post so I'm happy.
Honestly you should probably just go back in the category under nacho and we can call it a day since I've got scumreads left to burn.
Was one of those WHO DO I THINK HASNT BEEN POSTING AND COULD BE LURKERSCUM?

Andrius · Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:33 pm

Its looking awfully grim for me not wanting to lynch my 'family'.

Andrius · Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:41 pm

THE FUK ARE YOU DOING IN SEATTLE
AND NOT LETTING ME KNOW

Andrius · Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:41 pm

@venmar

Andrius · Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:50 pm

YOU KNOW SHULK, I WISH EVERY DAY COULD BE LIKE TODAY, ALWAYS

;____;

Andrius · Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:51 pm

this has been drunk posting with andy

Andrius · Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:55 pm

aj and bor are both scum
runkscumhunting for th ewin

Andrius · Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:56 pm

someone convnve me not to do what im thunknig about doin

Andrius · Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:20 pm

try hader

Andrius · Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:20 pm

hrder

Andrius · Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:47 pm

bro is probably scum
tf is probably scum
no idea where my vote is
vote: trust fund

and this
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5321279

Andrius · Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:26 pm

Dear Cabd,

Ghostlin is town. I'd lay down my slot on it.

Andrius · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:57 pm

mastin wrote:I take it you live in Washington, too. (And I'm guessing Spokane from your location?)

"Too"?
YOU LIVE IN WASHINGTON?
Yes, Spokane. Well, sort of.

mastin wrote:Regardless of Malakittens's alignment, Nacho is scum.

So why don't we lynch Nacho FIRST, since he's scum regardless of her alignment and thereby don't waste time lynching someone you don't KNOW to be scum?

In post 4047, mastin2 wrote:
Mod: if an X-shot role is roleblocked, is their shot refunded?

Wayne, you should check to make sure your shot was used up. I'm running through the possibilities, between roleblocker (a fairly likely scum role in the game), *OTHERS REDACTED*, but needless to say, aside from the roleblocker possibility, none of these bode well for Aj at all.
(Oh, and even in the case of a roleblocker, still not great. )

this seems odd as hell
just for the record

In post 4051, waynegg wrote:Mastin, why are you claiming Wayne got roleblocked?

if true
the hell are you doing mastin
the hell

Andrius · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:10 pm

mastin wrote:Yup. I live between Snohomish (the city! not the county!) and Monroe, in what I believe is called "The Foothills". My address is considered Snohomish, but I have much stronger associations with Monroe. (Mainly, because there's more in Monroe for me to be attached to. )

I only ask because there's this thing we call seattlemeet that happened every so often.

The more I think about it, the more I think it should happen today.

Andrius · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:19 pm

In post 4081, zMuffinMan wrote: *tumbleweed*

Andrius · Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:02 pm

Mala, Ghost is town.

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:57 am

In post 4167, zMuffinMan wrote:also, i don't see why you'd ask to be lynched if you're a fucking PR

This is something.

In post 4168, zMuffinMan wrote:if your aim was to JK town reads to protect them from NK, why specifically AJ and mac? why not AJ two nights in a row? why not, say, mastin, who you seem to really strongly think is town and is a more likely NK than someone like mac?

but anyway, yeah, answers plx

She chose to use it offensively instead of defensively.
So she chose to RB instead of Doc.
Honestly, protecting the InnoChild is important but there are other priorities out there. I'm not sure scum would BUMRUSH the Inno.Child the first chance they got (N1) especially if the InnoChild is contributing nothing to the game and cannot be bothered to play.
See: SAIII

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:02 am

The InnoChild isn't the only role they need killed off before LyLo.
hehehe

In post 4168, zMuffinMan wrote:if your aim was to JK town reads to protect them from NK, why specifically AJ and mac? why not AJ two nights in a row? why not, say, mastin, who you seem to really strongly think is town and is a more likely NK than someone like mac?

but anyway, yeah, answers plx

ok well this throws my theory out the window
so idek at this point

In post 4175, zMuffinMan wrote:or andrius (after d1)?

I'm the scum counterwagon to sameteamscum, remember?

LOOK AT ME DEFEND MALAAAAAA
this is like the best noncommittal defense ever

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:03 am

In post 4189, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4188, Andrius wrote:She chose to use it offensively instead of defensively.
So she chose to RB instead of Doc.
Why are you answering for her and giving a different response from her?

reading is hard

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:07 am

another question
so we know that AJ doesn't have a confirmable role
so why would scum fakeblock targets that will make us question WHY if they could have chosen to block anyone?

like
scum mala goes to claim
she sees that aj claimed a role that would not know if it were blocked n1
so why pick aj when there are way better targets?

unless she's superafraid of trackers/watchers

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:19 am

wayne wrote:I'm specifically asking Andy why he thinks that because I'm not on the same page. Nor do I believe you're town, so I'll wait for Andy, but thanks.

He crumbed for me, and it was something beautiful and irrevocably town from days long gone.

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:19 am

In post 4196, Malakittens wrote:To be fair I have my own reasons not to protect B&tB.

I wouldn't have either.

:

|

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:20 am

also man life sucks without an avatar

Andrius · Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:21 am

In post 4197, Andrius wrote:
wayne wrote:I'm specifically asking Andy why he thinks that because I'm not on the same page. Nor do I believe you're town, so I'll wait for Andy, but thanks.
He crumbed for me, and it was something beautiful and irrevocably town from days long gone.

Or you can believe that I'm a DayVig who only kills scum.
And I've shot mastin at least once.
*whistles*

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:04 pm

claim pgo
best cover for an investigative role

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:05 pm

wayne
suspend your disbelief

and just let it happen
I trust venmar

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:15 pm

Lynch me today.
I take someone with me.
That'll clear things up fast.

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:16 pm

Or we just lynch Nacho or BRO and call it good for the day.

Ghostlin is town.
I'm willing to defer my Desp read to mastin.

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:18 pm

actually
lynching me is a bit problematic

so the earlier the better

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:21 pm

In post 4286, waynegg wrote:I suspect Ghostlin. Wanna pick apart my reasoning for me? pedit Before you get yourself lynched.

he is more town than my corpse will be

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:22 pm

In post 4285, Trust Fund wrote:I'm listening, andy. Go on and give us the long form birth certificate.

Supersaint. Only works on town.

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:28 pm

i am not reading that, wayne

just trust me as you once did
the ring must go to frodo

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:29 pm

In post 4290, zMuffinMan wrote:um. i'm pretty sure i know who mastin was a mason with and i don't think it was anyone in {TD, mac, venmar}. the reason he was calling them town is because he picked up on the same obvious crumbs from venmar i picked up on.

...............how is that helping at all
its not

eliminating mason suspects = town?
yeah no
sorry
no
no no no no no
no no no
no no no
no

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:32 pm

In post 4293, Trust Fund wrote:And andy, that's good actually. By "only works on town" you mean that if scum hammers you, you won't venge them?

its crap lategame
and it doesn't kill scum
why would i want to be a supersaint
and not be able to kill scum

BORK PLS
YOU ROBBED ME OF MY KILL LAST GAME
THIS DOESNT HELP NONE

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:34 pm

tl;dr
Yes.

Andrius · Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:40 pm

get this
my name is HAMMER
and im a supersaint

come at me

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:25 am

aj wrote: But again, supersaint is an incredible lylo role. Why would you want out now?

town supersaint that can only kill town does nothing in lylo

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:27 am

In post 4332, waynegg wrote:
In post 4291, Andrius wrote:i am not reading that, wayne

just trust me as you once did
the ring must go to frodo
I'm trying really hard to trust you here, even though you opened here pretty much how you opened there.

I am telling you to trust me.

In post 4333, waynegg wrote:Try trusting me. There's been a whole lot of unexplained 180s this game that getting hit by an Inquisitor as defined by the mafiawiki would explain.

You rely too much on the NAMES.
What happens if a role flips something that ISNT on the wiki? What will you do then? What would you do if bork DIDNT tell us what the fancy names did?
Names are irrelevant.

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:28 am

2shot cop
and vanilla cop
is weird as hell
with an INNO and MASONS

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:33 am

In post 4359, Trust Fund wrote:Hmmm.... I smell a mass claim today given that all the town reads have claimed and most scum suspects have yet to.....

In post 4360, Mac wrote:
vote FTL

this is great

nacho wrote:Then if someone who hammers doesn't die, they are confirmed scum, no?
Does the last townie on the wagon die, or no?

yes.
the plan D1 was to get RM to hammer me home, confirming her and removing BOTH of your D1 suspects.
But she wasn't around so that was problematic.

If the person who drops the hammer is town, they die.
If not, they don't.

nacho wrote:And maybe Andrius. I'm not sure that a supersaint who only kills town would be called a supersaint, considering every other role with modifications has a new name.

my ability name is Supersaint
My GREENTEXT will give zero hints to my role.

In post 4394, Trust Fund wrote:Maybe, andy. I think that the angle of rach being able to fuck with those if she isn't lynched might be a counter. We'll see.

I definitely agree

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:34 am

my whole LET ME SIT AT L-1 AND TELL YOU WHAT WILL HAPPEN should be the biggest hint ever that im not vengeful

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:35 am

not having an avatar is already decreasing my IQ
I feel like I am benmage

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:37 am

hrm
you know
im beginning to suspect mutley's shot a whole lot more

what counters tons of town investigations?
scumkills

like
saki was an ok shot for town because he was negative utility but not because his slot was town from thez
as scum it was as good shot because he was town from thez but not because
well
he's saki
and is therefore the definition of negative utility

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:38 am

like seriously
IF all of these info roles are town (doubtful)
how does the scumteam srs counter
MASONS, ALIGNMENT COP, VANILLA COP
and other things like TF (MEBBEE)

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:40 am

I don't like the bro tie to tf
I don't like the vanilla cop and alignment cop
I don't like the move to massclaim

I apparently like spamposting

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:42 am

TOWN
Desperado
Ghostlin

Saki

mutleyddmc

mastin2

Venmar

Nachomamma8
FasterThanLight

muffinman
mac

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

Trust Fund
TiphanieDeath
BROseidon
AJ The Epic

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:43 am

In post 4404, zMuffinMan wrote:@andy,

do you think there's a town bulletproof to counteract a twoshot scum vig, or do you think aj was rolecopped, or do you they're scum together?

also don't really see how redirector+rolebocker and passive-inventor (assuming ascetic/godfather is an option for that role) wouldn't be at least a partial counter.

if there are no town bullets
it is definitely a scum bp

but

they are probably differnet alignments
why would scum have a BP with no vig

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:48 am

i haven't looked at reads/roles much
besides bro/tf connection

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:48 am

i haven't looked at reads/roles much
besides bro/tf connection

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:50 am

everything but my top townreads are shit btw
i have a poor grasp on things at the moment

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:52 am

In post 4370, Nachomamma8 wrote:And maybe Andrius. I'm not sure that a supersaint who only kills town would be called a supersaint, considering every other role with modifications has a new name.

ability name is supersaint
greenname is completely different and lends nothing to supersaint

and im scummy as fuck with flavor like if this were a bastard game id be a miller for sure

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:55 am

false ability name is OVERLOAD with supersaint in parenthesis

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:55 am

false - *

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:12 am

venmar is probably town
i really really want to believe my varsoontown read

which poses a natural problem
one of mutley/aj is scum

don't like the bro/tf thing especially with all of THIS on top of things

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:36 pm

In post 4433, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4402, Andrius wrote:I don't like the bro tie to tf
You mean that awkward as reaction test Cabd pulled on me that literally did nothing?

Yeah, real "tie" there...

No I mean the I VANILLA'D HIM.

In post 4432, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4393, Andrius wrote:2shot cop
and vanilla cop
is weird as hell
with an INNO and MASONS
Except for the fact that scum have flipped 1 strong PR and 1 PR that may have been strong as well.

There could only be 2 masons. I haven't bothered looking for crumbs and don't really care to at this point.

IC is only somewhat powerful, and very hard to play optimally.

Both claimed investigative PRs are heavily gated (cop gets vanillaized if he doesn't catch scum, vanilla cop is weak already and then further gated by being non-consecutive).

Yes, we're probably looking at 2 masons.
Yes, there are 2 dead PRs.
I'm merely saying that IF both cops are TOWN, ,then scum will need more power.

Andrius · Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:10 pm

wayne ignoring nacholynch makes me suspicious

Vote: nachomamma

this should happen
unless you want to lynch me first and figure this out the hard way

Andrius · Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:29 pm

aj wrote:My role gives good reason for me to believe that a traitor exists in this game.

this is not sufficient

my role pm strongly hinted at the scumteam knowing that my role existed, but wasn't in bold so I wrote it off as flavor

Andrius · Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:52 am

I don't have anything new to contribute.
So this is me posting.
Nacholynch pls.

Andrius · Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:32 am

In post 4488, waynegg wrote:
In post 4487, Andrius wrote:I don't have anything new to contribute.
So this is me posting.
Nacholynch pls.
If you can show me where and why Nacho is scum, and it makes sense. I don't see it.

Its ok we can lynch you after him.
Or me and you hammer.
Either way.

Andrius · Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:55 pm

Trust in me as you once did.

Andrius · Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:25 pm

In post 4391, Andrius wrote:
aj wrote: But again, supersaint is an incredible lylo role. Why would you want out now?
town supersaint that can only kill town does nothing in lylo

In post 4295, Andrius wrote:
In post 4293, Trust Fund wrote:And andy, that's good actually. By "only works on town" you mean that if scum hammers you, you won't venge them?
its crap lategame
and it doesn't kill scum
why would i want to be a supersaint
and not be able to kill scum

BORK PLS
YOU ROBBED ME OF MY KILL LAST GAME
THIS DOESNT HELP NONE

In post 4288, Andrius wrote:
In post 4285, Trust Fund wrote:I'm listening, andy. Go on and give us the long form birth certificate.
Supersaint. Only works on town.

Andrius · Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:31 pm

In post 4647, Mac wrote:nacho might be town if aj scumflips.

Don't think like that.

Andrius · Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:16 pm

I don't get the "ties"
I don't get how you can be hinted at TRAITOR and not be able to tell us

like
I suspected muffin for like 2minutes because my role pm's flavor hinted at ENEMYEMPIREKNOWSYOUGONNABLOWUP which I took to mean SHITTHEYKNOWIEXIST so something muffin said was REAL SCUMPOINTS. But it wasn't bolded so not official part of role.

srs aj
how can you not tell us how IT INSINUATED A SCUMROLE IN YOUR ROLE PM
???

Andrius · Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:17 pm

itv aj

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:49 pm

wayne you're daft
your QUOTE SOMETHING VOTE SOMEONE is stupid as fuck

like
what you quoted only made a great tie between them

and hey scum
thanks for killing muffin
I was starting to suspect him

Vote: Nachomamma

Second choice: Me, with a side of NACHO HAMMERING ME
third choice: wayne
fourth choice: me with a side of wayne hammering

zzz

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:50 pm

god I hate not having an avatar

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:28 pm

still don't see what you're getting at

yes, obv connection is obv

please share with the class or kindly shut the fuck up

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:40 pm

ok so

since im bored depressed and don't want to be anywhere

she picked AJ because she knows (buddies) that aj wasn't doing anything of significant so she can say she RB'd him with no consequence
!!!

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:44 pm

In post 4683, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4672, borkjerfkin wrote:Conditional Godfather Bulletproof Ability Enabler Traitor.
HEY ANDY
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS CONDITIONAL GODFATHER BULLETPROOF ABILITY ENABLER TRAITOR ENABLES?
DO YOU THINK HE ENABLES TOWN POWER ROLES
OR SCUM ONES
?

I don't actually care!

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:45 pm

oh and if youre going to argue that scum enablers wouldn't enable town roles
ive definitely spun that in a couple games of mine

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:52 pm

man
I am seriously an alcoholic
PLAY LOL WITH DEX
DRINK HEAVILY
SUDDENLY THE DEPRESSION SEEMS SO FAR AWAY
SOOOO FAR AWAYYYYYYYYYY

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:53 pm

In post 4688, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 4685, Andrius wrote:oh and if youre going to argue that scum enablers wouldn't enable town roles
ive definitely spun that in a couple games of mine
no im not i'm just asking you which 1 you think he enables specifically

ALL OF THEMMMMMMMMMMMM

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:54 pm

In post 4689, waynegg wrote:
In post 4682, Andrius wrote:ok so

since im bored depressed and don't want to be anywhere

she picked AJ because she knows (buddies) that aj wasn't doing anything of significant so she can say she RB'd him with no consequence
!!!

I read that as you saying there were better targets than AJ. At the time, I was pushing him and took it as you trying to get me off him and onto someone else. Now I see says the blind man!

UNVOTE:

So, if not Nacho, who would you vote at this point Andy?

In post 4690, waynegg wrote:Also, did you reflect on your Nacho thoughts after the lynch to make sure that's the route you want to take?

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:54 pm

In post 4689, waynegg wrote:
In post 4682, Andrius wrote:ok so

since im bored depressed and don't want to be anywhere

she picked AJ because she knows (buddies) that aj wasn't doing anything of significant so she can say she RB'd him with no consequence
!!!

I read that as you saying there were better targets than AJ. At the time, I was pushing him and took it as you trying to get me off him and onto someone else. Now I see says the blind man!

UNVOTE:

So, if not Nacho, who would you vote at this point Andy?

In post 4690, waynegg wrote:Also, did you reflect on your Nacho thoughts after the lynch to make sure that's the route you want to take?

you know
I might be able to help confirm the existence of TF's role

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:55 pm

ill stop posting
and try again sober
I guess
yeah
lets do that

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:55 pm

also
bro
HOW DO YOU PLAY LOL
AND NOT HVE ME ADDED
WHAT IS THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSss

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:59 pm

In post 4701, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 4699, BROseidon wrote: Let me look at that while this game of LoL loads...
Korea kicked ass tonight, man, sucks to be china right now.

WAIT CABD PLAYS LOL TOO? D:

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:03 pm

In post 4710, Trust Fund wrote:Shit tier annie player, at your service.

In post 4711, Trust Fund wrote:
In post 4706, Andrius wrote: you know
I might be able to help confirm the existence of TF's role
The witness may begin testimony.

omg add me I'm Andrius
I want to play with you and skip through daisies with you and LIVE IN HARMONY HARMONY OOOOOH LOVE

no uh
since my role is PASSIVE
bork was like IN MY PM: THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN DEACTIVATE THIS ABILITY. YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED IF THIS HAPPENS.

so I can sorta confirm the role?

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:24 pm

Oh.
He specifically uses "EVENT" as in UNKNOWN EVENT that will deactivate me.

THOUGH
IF YOU WANT TO LYNCH ME ANYWAY
IM K
JUST FORCE NACHO TO HAMMER

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:24 pm

anywho
drunk arams op
imam fish

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:25 pm

imam* fish

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:25 pm

IMMA FISH*

DAMMIT

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:26 pm

NOW I AM A SPIDER!

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:40 pm

its just an aram
KDR DONT MATTER IN ARAMMMMMM

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:40 pm

NACHO I SEE THE DERAIL
I SEE IT
DONT LTNCH ANDY BECAUSE HE WANTS ME TO HAMMER

DONT LYNCH ANDY
I WANNA LIVE

yeh no
you're coming with me

<3

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:49 pm

well
he'd be confirmed scum
so he's p.much dead either way

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:49 pm

no
the DONT LYNCH ANDY to the LYNCH BRO
not a derail for you
for the grouplynch

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:52 pm

that^

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:52 pm

that the LETS LYNCH bro is ALSO a LETS NOT LYNHC ANDY
I mean I know you want bro dead
but

ALSO LETS NOT LYNCH ANDY FOR REALS

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:56 pm

if I were scum
you would have died by now

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:56 pm

no man no
I want to kill scum with my thing!

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:58 pm

I mean
I know I cant KILL scum but
GOTTA CONTRIBUTE SOMEHOW

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:59 pm

dude
I don't want to go to bed
because I wont be drunk tomorrow
and my heart will hurt
and I will have my problems again
:/

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:02 pm

nacho
I want to believe you
I do

no man
I know I have to eventually
but I don't want this to enddddddddddd
THE HEART HURTS MAN
BEER CAN HELP BUT
NOT ENUFFFF

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:03 pm

also idk man
mastin called you, aj, and mala scum
2/3 thus far
and he had a brain
I just have a head full of bread

Andrius · Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:05 pm

I mean he also called me scum but
w/e
im p.much a miller who blows the fuck out of town so
yeaaaaaah

Andrius · Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:49 am

<3 nacho you didn't have to do it just for me

also that list should only have three people on it

so here's how this works
if you think nacho is town you must believe that I am town and thereby Ghostlin

so really
despite BADLOGICK, as long as you think one of nacho/I are town the 5man list drops to 2/3

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:12 pm

Mason claiming is a bad idea.
Since the scum obviously don't know who it is.

And we still have whatshisbucket here so that's also great.

So yeah.
Against claiming of any sort that brings the mason to light.

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:13 pm

IM BACK

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:18 pm

No one claimed mason.
Not yet.
And I want to keep it that way.

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:19 pm

CLEARLY the scum don't have a clue who the mason is, and that's why I think the muffin shot was so great.
If we keep getting claims out it'll help scum narrow it down.

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:19 pm

In post 4817, waynegg wrote:Lol madon...maiden...who's the virgin Andy?

Well it probably isn't you.
*whistles*

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:21 pm

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:23 pm

varsoon where are you I miss you

how do you feel about lynching nacho?

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:27 pm

I have no idea how that fits in

Andrius · Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:36 pm

I have no idea what is going on anymreo

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:56 pm

Ghostlin crumbed mason to me a few days ago, hence the mastin/venmar read reversal.

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:25 pm

varsoon wrote: Nacho was counter wagon to AJscum thats why i feel that possible andyscum is pushing on nachotown

which is why if nacho gives the word to lynch andy i will do so because andy not reading nacho is </3

then lynch me
nacho hammers

like

nacho is being way too passive this game
even on his read for me
and yes ofc he's going to fake a townread on me as scum
what else CAN he do?
he scumreads me ---> insta-andy lynch
andy flips town
he looks hella' bad

so he cant scumread me
so he townreads me
and does a bit of the paranoia and undermining
(like he's been doing)

like
there is no love going on at all
there is no town/town
there is no TRIUMVIRATE or even pretense of us both being town from either of us

I really don't think he's town
and if you're unwilling to OBVTOWN me for the RM lynch (which was actually a counterwagon) and willing to OBVTOWN nacho for the AJ lynch (where the "counterwagon" was really not) you really need to reevaluate how you evaluate OBVTOWN by counterwagons

still think aj/nacho both being scum is plausible
the obv counterwagon does give me pause BUT

BUT
me/ghostlin/mastin all being SCUMCHO cannot be wrong

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:26 pm

regardless
I need to be dead before nacho lynch
because he will talk to me and be all THEN DONT KILL ME and make me sad he is dying and will make me regret lynching a brother like him
but man
this is the best way
the best the only way
because he's NACHO

and I cannot compete with that level of literacy and skill in a headtohead

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:28 pm

I don't have magic powers
I explode
I go boom
someone goes boom
profit

unless you meant my charming personality in which case meh

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:32 pm

TOWN
Ghostlin

Saki

mastin2

Venmar
FasterThanLight
Desperado

mutleyddmc

muffinman

mac
TiphanieDeath

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

Trust Fund
BROseidon

AJ The Epic

Nachomamma8

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

COME INSIDE AND BE AFRAID OF THIS IMPRESSIVE MESS IVE MADE

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:32 pm

that list was made forgetting about the shitload of prs we also have claimed that I forgot about

lol

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:34 pm

still don't think this many investigative prs can all be town
still wonder about mutley's alignment
because that shot was literally the only thing he had going for him and it was a TOWNSLOT he vigged- yes it was saki and he's a useless fuck but like that's great scum motivation for a 1shot vig or something idk

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:34 pm

also im not going to bother with Ghostlin's breadcrumb to me unless someone is really really curious

Andrius · Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:35 pm

this has been stream-of-consciousness posting with Andrius

Cabd you still owe me your LoL IGN.

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:40 am

In post 4898, Trust Fund wrote:One steaming pile of day one VCA is coming up.

spoilers:
RM is scum
Andy was counterwagon

but don't let that taint my read though
I mean the town's superior play definitely led to a scum/scum d1 lynch so
let's get to it boys

and someone mentioned it
no I wont like, lie about it- I haven't been voting/on a lynch since d1
was there for nick but unvoted before the lynch b/c I liked his reaction
I just didn't want to be part of the mala lynch because well, mala and the ate was strong

"Then Maedhros alone stood aside,"

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:40 am

fuck
meant that to be part of large post.

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:40 am

varsoon wrote:yeah andy

one of you is scum

but it takes a sacrifice

a sacrifice from andy

so you can die together with nacho

and not leave any emotional baggage behind

because it will break my heart to lynch nacho too

Offer has been open since D1.
HAMMER ME HOME BOYS

nacho wrote:I currently don't like that BRO is pushing on ANTIHERO after he claimed cop because he's not "100%" confirmed; it reeks of him trying to outmaneuver the townflips of the few mislynches he has room to get and break into the confirmed town block.

nacho has a point here though

the counterpoint, obviously, is if scum have people in the CONFTOWNBLOC that means they can just do what nacho is saying and lynch NONCONFTOWN until allhellbreakslooseth.

nacho wrote:Andrius is claiming a role that says "I CAN CONFIRM SOMEONE AS TOWN IF YOU LYNCH ME", which is something no scum ever said in his situation.

the counterpoint is obv, that scum killing a townie isn't supergreat

i mean obv, a scum bomb/vengeful makes little sense in this setup (esp. bomb)

nacho wrote:SCUM TRAITOR GODFATHER ENABLER WHO OBVIOUSLY ENABLES ALL OF THIS HORRIBLY BROKEN SCUM POWER ROLES is dead.

still think this is stretching like hell

nacho wrote:The only way town can win this game is if they stay within the lines and don't lynch confirmed town.

...

andy wrote:if scum have people in the CONFTOWNBLOC that means they can just do what nacho is saying and lynch NONCONFTOWN until allhellbreakslooseth.

In post 4887, BROseidon wrote:Deciding to run a cop-crumb gambit wouldn't require knowledge of the godfather.

And I'm not even considering lynching Anti until you and Desp are gone.

this is true
means little tbh

In post 4896, TiphaineDeath wrote:i'm the emp cain. I'm a vt.

speaking of coasting...

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:43 am

TD please give me a reads list.

pls?

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:50 am

ONE MOD'S TAKE ON A ROLE:

A Split Personality is a Conditional Godfather Bulletproof Ability Enabler Traitor.

Conditional could mean whether/not he's recruited. Not sure what it modifies (GODFATHER BULLETPROOF being the most immediate) but I'd guess that he's only GODFATHER BULLETPROOF while non-recruited and his whole THERE BE A TRAITOR OUT THERE was an attempt to get people to recruit him.

But that won't happen while there are shitloads of CONFTOWN that need killing.
Which really makes me wonder if the saki kill was scum-driven, sent in before they knew of the masons/cops THUS SUPPORTING A TINFOIL I HAVE.

Traitor is obv. How that works isn't.
ABILITY ENABLER - Could enable his own team- could enable abilities on both sides- could enable one common ability that both sides use (DayTalk). Who knows?

Probably conditionally bulletproof with the godfather immunity being bulletproof-ness in particular (which means town MUST have some killing power so that almostconfirms mutley). Ability Enabler we'll not know until the end but probably does something inbetween ENABLES SCUMROLES and ENABLES TOWNROLES.

Traitor.

tl;dr its probably not as strong as nacho thinks it is, and him being BULLETPROOF confirms that there is SOME TOWN POWER OUT THERE that merits being immune to kills.

tl;dr2: mutley is probtown unless someone else wants to claim some killing ability (mine doesn't count for obv reasons!)

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:52 am

omg omg omg

SPLIT PERSONALITY. HE IS ID.
ID, EGO, SUPER-EGO???

HE IS SPLIT BECAUSE HE IS TRAITOR. HE IS CONDITIONAL WHETHER OR NOT HE IS RECRUITED AS HE IS SPLIT. EITHER HE IS STRONGER WITH THE OTHER PARTS OR HE IS WEAKER WITH THEM.

Groupscum almost certainly knew he existed since EGO/SUPEREGO (bit of tinfoil) so clearly they judged him not a priority shot given MASTIN AND THE MASONS.
And cops.

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:55 am

though it sounds remotely like SUPEREGO might be town from the wikia

BORK STOP I DONT EVEN OWN A PLAYSTATION CANT DO FLAVOR RESEARCH

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:43 am

In post 4906, BROseidon wrote:Andy that spec is great and all, but how does it help us lynch scum?

tl;dr its probably not as strong as nacho thinks it is, and him being BULLETPROOF confirms that there is SOME TOWN POWER OUT THERE that merits being immune to kills.

tl;dr2: mutley is probtown unless someone else wants to claim some killing ability (mine doesn't count for obv reasons!)

Groupscum almost certainly knew he existed since EGO/SUPEREGO (bit of tinfoil) so clearly they judged him not a priority shot given MASTIN AND THE MASONS.
And cops.

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:53 am

14. notscience
7. Ghostlin

2. Andrius
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery)

6. Faster Than Light
20. Antihero (Venmar)

5. Desperado

19. Trust Fund
4. BROseidon

8. Mac
18. TiphaineDeath
10. Nachomamma8

Town to Scum Scale, Starting with

CONFTOWN to
REASONABLY CONFTOWN to
PERHAPS CONFTOWN to
TOWN to
BOTH RELY ON TF's ALIGNMENT to
PROBSCUM

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:00 pm

A flipped Godfather also makes the cops look good.

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:00 pm

yeah uh I forgot exactly how his and tf and ftl's roles works so im brb-reading and will update accordingly

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:13 pm

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 1/2shot? Vig

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop

5. Desperado

19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon -

10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL

NEW LIST

CONFTOWN to
TOWN ON THEIR OWN to
TOWN BECAUSE ANTIHERO to
TOWN BECAUSE CONNECTIONS to
LEFTOVER Pt. I to
DEPENDS ON TF to
NACHO

tl;dr:

ns and Ghost are town through mod. Wayne is town through deadscum.

Mac and TD are town if Antihero is town. Antihero is town if, well, Antihero is town.

FTL is town unless he's scum with Nacho or TF.
BRO is scum with TF if TF is scum.
But as you can see there are CONNECTIONS and I doubt there are more than 2 scum remaining.
So a FTL/TF/BRO combo is probably out.
Desperado is a leftover.
The only thing Nacho has going for him is that VARSOON outed him as Vanilla well before Nacho claimed it. (I think.)

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:14 pm

technically the antihero group should be above me and wayne but that's not worth reposting

with the amount of cops and stuff the scumteam is PROBABLY hurt more by RM's death than I initially thought LOL AM I CONFIRED TOWN YET GUYS? GUYS?

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:17 pm

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 1/2shot? Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop

5. Desperado

19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon -

10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:28 pm

In post 4915, Mac wrote:full claim: kahn wong, possessed warrior.

jack of all trades. 1 shot neighbourize, 1 shot track and 1 shot commute.

just for updates since people haven't quite gathered that im not just a neighbourizer.

this is not a complete claim
try again

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:22 pm

mac sure is taking forever to claim night actions

Andrius · Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:57 pm

In post 4924, BROseidon wrote:Andy he already claimed the non-commute ones, and he really shouldn't claim on the commute...

this is news to me >____>

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:31 am

mac wrote:tracked FTL to Trust Fund.

ok so this makes things easier

ftl wrote:assume andy always reads nacho right

and nacho always reads andy right

nacho reads andy town

andy reads nacho scum

therefore nacho is scum ta-da

While we're not ALWAYSRIGHT and he's more right than I am, to say ALWAYS is def. a stretch.

nacho wrote: Find me possible scum in the townblock. Otherwise this is just nonsense speculation.

We both were in a game where adhering to common logic cost town quite alot.
Possible scum?
Antihero. Boom.
Faking confirmed innocents on actual townies and/or a buddy (but not two that's stretchcity). Fakeclaim of Cop with modifiers. Boom.
The whole bulletproof could be a silly and stupid red herring and the vig could be scum who made the best shots he could while still being able to fake townvig.

nacho wrote:His partner's power role hasn't been disabled.

Would we know if our PRs were disabled? AJ was lynched D4- well after mastin/Ghost were established and likely used their abilities- mine seems *SPECIAL*- TF and mac have used theirs up, FTL and Antihero's haven't been tested since/used up.
I'm not saying that you're wrong- I'm saying you're reaching WAY TOO FAR.
No way an Enabler enables his ENTIRE SCUMTEAM.
Riding the balance of A WHOLE SCUMTEAM on the backs of a TRAITOR ENABLER and the PASSIVE ASSIGNER is too risky.
Namely b/c TRAITOR.

nacho wrote: There are no living power roles who have had their powers disabled from the "enabler" dying

we also can't really prove that they WOULD BE, with mine being EXCEPTIONAL and mac/ftl being the only other claimed prs who can USE THEIRS.
Oh yeah, and they have a lovely connection at the moment so.

nacho wrote:And if scum power had an enabler, and town power had a role that one-shot vanillaized scum, then it's only logical to conclude that the scumteam is fucking stacked and vanilla townie results are equivalent to confirmed town (with the possible exception of BRO's).

more stretch
additionally, you're doing what someone accused BRO of doing- flipping the gameboard around. We're looking at a 7:5 ish split with PRs one one side and MOSTLY VT/UNCLAIMED on the other where the VT side is the LYNCHSIDE. You're pushing for CONFTOWN THE VTs and arguing for STACKED SCUMTEAM which ONLY MEANS that there are SCUM PRs out there blending in with the first group. Elsewise where would they be? BRO can't claim PR, and you can't either unless you/FTL/mac which is already an insane list. So there's DESP and TD. HIGHLY UNLIKELY we MORE POWER in there hidden somewhere.

100% against the notion that the scumteam is STACKED.

nacho wrote: Mac/Trust Fund, did you guys have daytalk but lose it with AJ's death?

It'll be a no- Encryptor is the commonly accepted form of DAYTALK ENABLER. :/

nacho wrote:and knowing his second shot got whiffed on a bulletproof who FLIPPED BULLETPROOF

So I'm guessing that was N2.
So that means he was BP then.
Thus could be shot D3- prompting the claim and the massive IMMA TRAITOR BROADCAST to the scumteam.
Scumteam still ignored him lol.

Ok the puzzle looks nice.

nacho wrote:un cc'ed cop w/scum godfather

we don't, for a fact, know that AJ was Investigation-Immune
I mean PROBABLY since GODFATHER BULLETPROOF but we don't know if they are SEPERATE or GODFATHER modifies BULLETPROOF, hence the GODFATHER ROLE offering BULLETPROOF PROTECTION (not Investigation-Immunity as it sometimes does!)

bro wrote:on the off chance that he's scum

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:34 am

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 2shot Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop, confirmed N3 target of FTL
10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL
19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon - VT

5. Desperado

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:37 am

mac/FTL/TF is way too large, esp. factoring in NACHO
Anti/mac/TD is also way too large

brb looking at a claim once more before

predit: oh
ok that makes sense ty

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:40 am

Yeah um.

Town INVESTIGATIVE POWERHOUSE is balanced by LACK OF PROTECTIVE ROLES granted a MASON is BODYGUARD (I seriously would have no action's every night). Mastin was 1shot. Scum have a RB and a Redirect. Which would supremely have fucked us over if they got to redirect a cop with the ADDED PASSIVES. (AM I CONFTOWN YET?)

No protective power means town can be investigation-heavy with SUICIDAL MASONS (lol), town-hurting PRs (HAMMATIME).

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:41 am

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 2shot Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop, confirmed N3 target of FTL
10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL
19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon - VT

5. Desperado - VT

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:42 am

HAHAHAHAHA

I was like HOW DOES THIS GAME HAVE ONLY FOUR VTS

and then I realized we have a massive pile of BODIES lying around

hahahaha

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:47 am

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie
7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 2shot Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop, confirmed N3 target of FTL
10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL
19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon - VT

5. Desperado - VT

17. Sound of Silence,

Seraphita, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 1.

11. Saki,

Sigurd Harcourt, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 1.

13. nickthename,

Maria Balthasar, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was lynched Day 2.

3. BeautyAndTheBeast,

Emeralda Kasim, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 2.

21. zMuffinMan,

Tolone, Vanilla Townie of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 4.

9. mastin2,

Bartholomew Fatima, Pirate Regent of the Nisan Alliance,

was killed Night 3.

notscience, Innocent Child
Ghostlin, Mason Bodyguard
Andrius, =====[]

15. RachMarie,

Krelian, Passive Santa Claus,

was lynched Day 1.

12. Malakittens,

Miang Hawwa, RB and 1shot RD,

was lynched Day 3.

1. Aj The Epic,

Id, Conditional Godfather Bulletproof Ability Enabler Traitor,

was lynched Day 4.

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:54 am

nacho wrote: the claim is outside of venmar's scope as scum.
the fakeclaim is 1000 times any other of those other scumfuck fakeclaims.

whoa whoa lets not insult venmar's intelligence
i mean its not like he lurked out his days and broadcasted his investigates

no he's fucking town im just trying to argue with you

nacho wrote: mafia TWO SHOT vigilante + mafia roleblocker + redirector + mad scientist + bulletproof godfather traitor makes more sense than the scumteam being stacked? hell no.

RB and RD were the same role
prob cant simulcast either

IF HES MAFIA HES ONESHOT. NO WAY HE SHOOTS AJ N2 BEFORE THE CLAIM, DOESNT GET THE TRAITOR, thus FORCING AJ TO CLAIM INTHREAD TO BROADCAST.
No way scum gets two kills when one fails and AJ STILL isn't recruited.
No way in hell.

nacho wrote: Yes. That's the only thing that makes logical sense. Otherwise there's a situation where people think they are being blocked but in reality their powers just don't work anymore.

ok no we would i was just getting at the profound lack of prs we still have active

nacho wrote: Town power seems pretty limited to me; traitor just has to survive the first few days and can't be vigged or investigated.
Why is it "too risky"?

because if the traitor kicks the can and his enabling dies off then how the hell do they function
there are two ways to render the SANTA CLAUS useless and that's KILL SANTA or KILL TRAITOR

and the arguemnt was at the ABILITY ENABLER not the traitor so much, though the traitor DOES make it alot harder to deal with since HI GROUPSCUM ITS ME AJ ADD ME PLS

nacho wrote: both scum are claimed VTs. BRO may actually be a VT thanks to TF's power.
Desperado is not a VT, although his power could be disabled.

desp claimed vt

so you're
1) not trying to lynch the confirmable group but
2) not trying to lynch the VTs who ARENT conf.town btw

:/

nacho wrote: In Xenoblade, orcinus was a godmother.
Not an Investigation Immune Godmother.
A Godmother.

ok ill grant you that- mod meta op

predit: AETTJWTHJAJQEJ NINJAIIIII

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:55 am

In post 4988, Nachomamma8 wrote:Well let's see what the Enabler could disable when it dies:

A) Scum Power
B) Town Cop (although it disables itself when it gets two innocents)
C) Mason Pair (one-shot jailkeeper or odd night bodyguard, seems nerfed to me)
D) One-Shot Conditional Vanillaizer
E) Non Consecutive VT Cop
F) Two Shot Vig
G) Tracker/Neighborizer/Commuter

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

In post 4989, Nachomamma8 wrote:ALL OF OUR TOWN POWER MINUS ONE-SHOT JAILKEEP IS STILL ALIVE
NONE HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF LOSING POWER

my argument is that most of them HAVE NOTHING TO USE
antihero lost his after 2 innocents
joat lost his after abilities got used

In post 4990, Nachomamma8 wrote:also if cabd didn't suck he woulda asked bro was power he gained
"My power vanillaizes if scum, gives a one-shot unspecified PR when town."

p.s. im still laughing inside about the suicidal mason

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:56 am

HI IM THE TOWN SECRET WEAPON LETS GO ATTEMPT TO GET MYSELF KILLED!
wheeeeeeeeee
*splat*

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:59 am

dude nacho we know when you're scum
we don't have the love
its easy
look at xenoblade then look at lol

I mean when im scum I have to use the love because that's me but
theres no love here
theres no love when you're scum

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:02 am

HERES THE THING:

YOU PUT TOWNANDY AND TOWNNACHO IN A NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER AND WATCH THE SPARKS FLY LIKE FUCKING TRUE LOVE
You put two people in a QT who aren't sure if they're both town and you get Tiercempire/Andy in that one game
see the thing is regardless of your alignment YOU KNOW IM TOWN and there's not really love from you
that's what gets me :/

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:07 am

nacho wrote: if he's mafia he shot saki
he probably shot aj as well unless you think he "vigged" b&b.
otherwise: how did he recruit AJ? why did they out him if they recruited him? how did they think of the bulletproof gambit?

well yes if he's mafia he still shot saki
dont think he shot aj because if he did aj would get recruited by popular mechanics and he didn't so im really not liking that theory

OR
scumkill ajtraitor
scumvig kills b2b, planning to pass it off as a LYNCHED NICK, NICK FLIPPED TOWN THEY ARENT BEING USEFUL AT ALL
then they get aj who was bulletproof and switch the kills around
simple

nacho wrote:wtf i'm trying to lynch bro and desperado

ok idk im all over the place

nacho wrote: if they're incredibly limited shot
WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY BE ENABLED BY A TRAITOR

THATS MY POINT

nacho wrote: then look at xenogears
then look back at me

i am
...
...

nacho wrote:
we fell in love on day 1 when we were both getting called scum for stupid reasons

you know im not a JUST ONE DAY lover

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:07 am

brb gonna microwave breakfast and then we continue

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:13 am

Eh, I haven't seen the TRAITOR/SCUMVIG combo so idk how it'd work.

And saying b2b was the TOWNIEST would be like me saying mastin was the SCUMMIEST.
I seriously would have lynched them after that nick lynch.
muffin also had the DISCONTENT.

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:14 am

I would've shot them.
I mean I would have shot them in XENOBLADE for less.

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:16 am

not if the entire town looks like

well
what the entire town looks like
esp if their team is

ASSIGN PASSIVES, RB, FUNKY GODFATHER, 2shot Vig, GOONNNNN

double the chance of killing conftown
double the chance of getting traitor

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:17 am

YO IVE SEEN MAFIA TWOSHOT VIG BEFORE

I mean its not like that game was balanced or even put together well but w/e STILL SEEN IT

predit: traitor crumbs? idk

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:18 am

THATS THE POINT

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:19 am

I don't know what is happening here but im arguing something only to have you argue it back to me like I didn't know what it was
are we swimming logic circles around each other or what
HOW DID WE DO THIS AGAIN

predit: I DFK

predit2: I FOLLOW

predit3: GODDAMN NINJAI

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:24 am

because im a crazy dog
and you have to put me down before I hurt someone
even though you love me and cherish me and scratch me behind the ears
because I was a good guy then they got to me
and I changed
and I only hurt now

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:25 am

WAIT FOR IT
WAIT FOR IT

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:27 am

In post 5017, Nachomamma8 wrote:andy why do we have to fight

THIS MOMENT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soe8ayi3ScE

;___;

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:02 pm

If I were scum Ghostlin would have died DAYS ago.

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:04 pm

Like yeah I love masons and respect their power.
Ghostlin outright claimed it to me IN-THREAD.
If I were scum he'd be dead.

I can has conftown status now?

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:10 pm

this plan has a depressing amount of ANDY DOESNT GET TO SHOOT and it makes me sad

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:11 pm

and theres little room for fuckery since if scum kill the vanilla cop we still have BOATLOADS of conftown they need to deal with

lol

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:12 pm

In post 5030, Nachomamma8 wrote:we kill me next because there's no longer a reason to kill me.

???

Andrius · Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:22 pm

ok that makes sense

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:38 am

In post 5065, Ghostlin wrote:
In post 5063, Nachomamma8 wrote:hey ghostlin i said a bunch of things
Most of it read like bargaining, and a lot of it Andy touched on.

Fact is, once I am gone, I don't honestly think there's a lot of let's lynch Nacho in this town. Your plan to lynch to lynch Bro and investigate Desp should work in reverse, it is only a matter of Town staying focused.

My vote stands, namely since we WONT get a nacholynch once you/I are gone.

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:35 am

I'll miss you when you're gone.

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:41 am

I'm voting Nacho.
Its not me you have to worry about.

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:05 pm

In post 5102, Faster Than Light wrote:Who do I investigate, though?
Guess I'll figure it out.
Fairly certain the last of the scum is between Desp, Bro, TF, Andy.

-V

yourself

anyone who's not 100% conftown
and you're likely to catch in a lie

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:07 pm

actually
you should investigate antihero

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:07 pm

100% serious

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:08 pm

scum aren't likely to have many prs left if any at all
therefore if you get a VANILLA results its damning
and it you get a PR result he's way more likely town
and through him the other 2

investigating VT claims when there are likely GOONs remaining is a waste of time IMO
especially when all the VTs are lined up for the next few days

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:08 pm

cover our tracks- confirm one PR, confirm 3 players as town

that's what i'd do at any rate.

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:10 pm

In post 5103, BROseidon wrote:Investigate Andy or TF.

this is fucking stupid

namely the latter

Andrius · Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:12 pm

like seriously

you know nacho
bro is counter for

your options are ME if you really really don't trust me and feel like wasting a night action
or you help confirm people who we need confirmed
srs
if antihero flips town
that means those two are CONFTOWN
and the level of CONFTOWN is super high
we lynch the bottom of the barrel
as long as the top is full of AWESOMESAUCE we're set

that's how I see it
no real other target from my pov

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:04 am

Vote: BROseidon

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:06 am

14. notscience - Modconfirmed Townie

7. Ghostlin - MASON

20. Antihero (Venmar) - Modified TownCop (can only get 2 Innos)
8. Mac - 1shot Neighborizer, TOWN through Antihero
18. TiphaineDeath - Vanilla, TOWN through Antihero

2. Andrius - SUPASAINT
16. waynegg (Mutleyddmc Skullduggery) - 2shot Vig

---------------THE LYNCHABILITY THRESHOLD--------------

6. Faster Than Light - Nonconsecutive Nilla Cop, confirmed N3 target of FTL
19. Trust Fund - 1shot Vanillizer, confirmed NONVANILLA through FTL
10. Nachomamma8 - Vanilla, confirmed VANILLA through FTL
4. BROseidon - VT

5. Desperado - Goon

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:07 am

The only votes that should be happening today are for BRO or NACHO.
Stick to the plan.

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:09 am

BRO - Here's the facts:

You're probably a Goon, balancing the setup and making the TF claim on you legit.
No one on the scumteam at the time would have been paying attention to the thread (lurkfest aj and desp) and so they didn't pick up the mason crumbs etc.
And finally this is really just POE.
Four targets left- you're the only one with no real connections.

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:12 am

In post 5187, waynegg wrote:Here's the problem I have with both Nacho and Bro lynches. If either is scum, they offed their entire team. Nacho was even first up on AJ. That doesn't make much sense to me.

this makes no sense stop talking vote broseidon
we have this in the bag stop throwing out random insulty bullshit

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:12 am

HI MY NAME IS ANDRIUS AND I SUPPORT WINNING THIS GAME

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:13 am

I'm not smoking.

brb putting laundry in the washer

p.s. antihero - ignore wayne, vote scum, win games

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:45 am

btw don't hammer until FTL gets in here and claims night action
it'd be silly not to wait

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:46 am

In post 5230, BROseidon wrote:It actually makes 0 sense not to have bullied Desp into hammering Andy.

it'd give you another day
it means desp wouldn't have died
adding another day
and another night to the game

unnecessary

I DIE WHEN I WILL MYSELF TO DIE

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:46 am

bro wrote:Andy needs to get hammered eventually

TONIGHT
SHOTS WITH MALA AND D3X

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:47 am

In post 5226, waynegg wrote:
In post 5211, Antihero wrote: yeah, but once you put aside all the paranoia, all the PR claims make sense.

Andy claiming supersaint and then inviting people to lynch him? not likely a scum move, especially given that it's actually still on the table
Cue paranoia.

How perfect of a scum claim would it be for Andy to claim exactly what he claimed as scum. TSS that only vengeful a on town? Perfect sense for town to not lynch. Perfect sense for scum to leave hi in the game. Perfect claim if he can sell it, which apparently he has. Perfect. Andy does the unexpected often. See LotR. He came with straight up scum agenda that only third party would clearly pick up on, thus outing them. Do you have any idea how hard I had to work to get THAT lynch to go through.

I want to discuss the motivation behind Andy's claim before we end this day.

UNVOTE:

you're an idiot
lynch obvscumflounderingscum bro

we follow the plan
because it has been willed by those more powerful than us

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:48 am

In post 5246, BROseidon wrote:
In post 5243, Nachomamma8 wrote:ftl claims vanilla result on bro: not an innocent, lynch anyways
ftl claims pr result on bro: guilty, lynch
Why would Varsoon have investigated me when he already knows he's getting a vanilla result (courtesy of TF).

he has a point

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:48 am

In post 5248, Nachomamma8 wrote:you're trying to be reasonable because you're stalling like fuck
you realized the mislynch nacho route wasn't working, so now you're trying to get the andy mislynch

this is definitely what's happening

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:50 am

In post 5252, Nachomamma8 wrote:ANTIHERO
WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING BRO?

wait for varsoon

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:54 am

doesn't matter
we have enough conftown to guarantee a purge of the bottom tier for the next three days
no need to paranoia- we follow the plan we lynch the bottom tier until we win
gg

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:56 am

In post 5269, BROseidon wrote:And we aren't taking the free lynch to confirm that it isn't a gambit because...

pedit: I've already articulated the main reasons as to why I make sense as town. Repeating them won't get you to ignore them any less.

I have no balls as scum

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:57 am

In post 5270, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 5263, Antihero wrote:there's some paranoia of trust fund and varsoon that I have to kill.
lynch bro
nacho hammers andrius
lynch trust fund
lynch varsoon

this is seriously how this game goes
we win GUARANTEED

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:00 am

There is a cost to lynching me-

the game goes on another week or two while we wait to lynch you.

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:08 am

No.
No.
Yes.

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:03 pm

its chucklefucks like you guys, who wont follow a plan, WHO CLAIM TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE TOWN, that frustrate me

seriously bro if you're town resign yourself to the death with some dignity

you're dying for the town.

you don't see no crying or bitching from me all NOOOOOOO IM CONFTOWN FROM RACHMARIE GUYS PLS IM CONFTOWN WE NEVER LYNCH ME

no fuck that
if you're town
shut up and follow the goddamn plan that guarantees our victory

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:04 pm

if I have to fucking lay down my life just to secure your SUPPOSEDLY TOWN-ALIGNED CORPSE then ill fucking do it but I shouldn't have to because townies do as they're told and die as they're told

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:08 pm

vote: andrius

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:10 pm

In post 5309, Trust Fund wrote:No andy, you can wait until tomorrow. But seriously for fuck's sake can the scum PLEASE just claim and end this shit early?

nope im done

lynch me within 48 hours or someone gets to find a replacement for me

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:14 pm

nope

im done
and once i die here
im leaving MS

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:15 pm

YOU BETTER FUCKING ENJOY THIS BRO

Andrius · Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:17 pm

have fun with that
without me here
lol