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@trust fund,
i'm not ruling out the possibility that muttley is extremely stupid and claiming the kill when he didn't actually kill saki (this was my first thought about it, because saki was a stupid kill either way after the rm flip)
i'm not ruling out the possibility that scum have some sort of limited method of achieving an extra kill (which would be rather convenient if true, because muttley is a useless fuck and has an excuse if he's still around at lylo despite being "confirmed")
and i'm not ruling out anything i might not currently be thinking of given how shit his actual play has been (as well as skullduggery's)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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this is how i feel about the game in general except for the five people i mentioned as town in #3249 (who i am almost willing to bet are town, or at least i have reasons that i think are very good to think these players are all town and if i'm wrong, then i'm dumb).bnb wrote:but the spectrum of players I want to pull in is small compared to where they are floating on the edges and it shouldn't feel that way. ns is obviously town and when I get in that small space of who to mebbe draw in, mastin may feel that way, mebbe mala, mebbe aj, mebbe nacho. mebbe ghostlin. I am also paranoid about all of those players.
i have this gut feeling that nick and mala could both be town, and this is making me more paranoid of what's going on in this game because it means i'm really, really wrong about some people who i think are town.
no. but i don't think it matters because i won't be able to push a lynch on him any time soon even if i'm completely wrong in my paranoia.trust fund wrote:I'm telling you that's shit and he needs to be in your town until cop guilty says otherwise pile.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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muttley is supposedly 1-shot (which is why i think if he's town, the way he used this shot was atrocious)bnb wrote:mutley if you nked ftl I am pretty sure you would be given another pass. just sayingspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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this is the issue i've been having d2 and it's primarily because the people i want to post to get better reads on are mostly not posting or posting very little.ghostlin wrote:The thing that's really bothering me about my reads is they're not solidifying
saki was obvtown after rm flip due to thezmon's interactions with rm. i had some issues with thezmon d1 before i knew rm was scum, but after the flip, no. that was just a bad shot, even if a saki kill would otherwise be a joyous event worthy of celebration.bnb wrote:tell me more
who would you have used it on
who i would have used the shot on (assuming i'm muttley, and not me, because i would have killed muttley)? any of the low content posters from d1 that make sense as scum with rm. bro would obviously be my first choice here. if that wasn't already blatantly obvious.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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you're like 0 for 1 in scum flips so far. how's that working out for you, mr barkley?ftl wrote:While I'm Charles Barkley of this gamespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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what a fool he was!mutley wrote:saki was obv annoying poster that just annoyed. Worth blowing my whole load on him
if only he had studied your posts, and learned not to be an obv annoying poster that just annoyed.
please start do evening.mala wrote:At this point I don't even.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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well you wouldn't be lynched if you did something and it actually looked town.mala wrote:If I do nothing I'm lynched and if I do something I'm lynched.
i'm personally not convinced you're scum, but i wouldn't feel particularly bad if you're lynched because you're being antitown.
if you're town, why don't you help us find scum.
i'm not convinced ftl is scum, change my mind.
while you're at it, talk about who else you think is scum, and who you think is town.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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you just killed all motivation i had for this game.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i can't believe i watched that youtube clipspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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so you don't think they can both be town?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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what do you mean "who won't budge on either"ftl wrote:Look at the wagons that've grown on them who won't budge on either, and how those same people interacted with the Rach wagon.
as far as i can tell, most of the nick wagon is fine with a mala lynchspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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not quite on the level of mastin and TD, but if you keep reaching for it, one day you will achieve it.ftl wrote:So, yeah, thoughts?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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why don't you analyse the possibility that both nick and mala are town and tell me what you think that means? it's a possibility i'm considering atm.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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[9] nickthename (Nachomamma8, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mutleyddmc, Mac, Desperado)
[4] Malakittens (Ghostlin, nickthename, mastin2, Faster Than Light)
[2] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, Malakittens)
[2] Mac (Venmar, TiphaineDeath)
[1] Not Voting (Andrius)
just so no one can claim they accidentally hammered, i'm pretty sure this votecount is accurate.
at this point, i don't really give a shit about trying to defend nick or mala anymore. i think they could both be town, but i don't think i'm able to convince people of this. and i suspect it's likely that i'll die very early in this game if i'm right, and it'll be left to a handicapped charles barkley, a couple people screaming and yelling that they know who is scum, and some savants who figured out the game d1 to steer town towards a victory. and that makes me kind of sad. and i wish i wasn't as apathetic as i currently am towards this game.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i'm also considering voting nick so i can be like "AHA I WAS RIGHT" if he flips town, and be like "AHA I KNEW IT, I'M GLAD I CHANGED MY MIND!" if he flips scum.
either way, i am amazing.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i've tried that. it doesn't seem to work.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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no thanks. i don't swing that way.ftl wrote:Get it up with me.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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now you're getting to something i pointed out roughly 20 pages ago, and said this was one of the major qualms i had with the nick wagon.ftl wrote:Players then can all just hop on the wagon without having ARTICULATION for WHY, and if it turns out in a scum lynch, yattai, town points all around, but if it's a mislynch, they get to all just hide behind either pointing fingers at B&B or the smoke-screen that B&B allowed for scum to hide in that wagon.
but no one felt like discussing it at the time.
and nobody will discuss it now.
because fuck this game.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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I disagree for two reasons. The first is that I saw this as similar to his initial "omg nobody is voting me for being scum in the last game!" comment. It felt fake, it felt like he was bringing it to make people think "hey, i was scum there doing it, this time i'm town and not doing it, give me a town read!" The second reason is that I think this was an attempt to discredit the town reads being handed out at the time (which, iirc, were mostly to players like bnb, sos, mac, ghostlin, and I was townreading ftl at the time, etc etc).nacho wrote:
This seems genuine.In post 588, BROseidon wrote:The general ease with which people are handing out townreads is making me nervous, given that I abused the fuck out of that last game to coast to the win.
*shrug* Maybe it's because I'm already scum reading him, but this looks null at best to me. I'm pretty sure I have used this line before as scum when someone is townreading me, and you've probably said something similar as well.nacho wrote:
This looks good too.In post 658, BROseidon wrote:Andy I have 0 understanding of your thought process in townreading me because you don't talk about why I'm town. We have a lot of differing reads, so it's certainly not a case of "his reads look good, must be town."
It was an immediate reaction to BnB calling his hammer scummy. I don't see anything that indicates he thought RM would flip town.nacho wrote:BRO framed this like Rach was gonna flip town, which makes me feel good about him.
Again, maybe because I'm already scum reading him, but this was null to me at best. I see this as him milking the fact that he apparently could have let the day stall out to a no-lynch - in reality, this is utter bullshit, and he knows it (maybe in a different game with less activity it may have been more valid, but in this game? lol no). Conversely, I see the hammer as BRO-scum wanting to milk the fact that he didn't let it stall to a no-lynch and instead lynched scum. He was already under heavy suspicion at the time. It's not unreasonable that he did it so that he could bring it up the following day (which he did in his very first post, surprise surprise).nacho wrote:
And this gloating reads town as fuck.In post 2472, BROseidon wrote:2322- And yet I’m the one who hammered the scum four hours before deadline ^_^ (we’ll ignore FTL showing up as a 12th vote)
Okay I’m just being a dick about this now. #sorrynotsorry.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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Who are you talking about specifically here, and why does this matter when you think mala is scum much more strongly than you think nick is (to the point that you've admitted you have doubts about nick because of your other scum reads)aj wrote:I'll do so tomorrow as well, but besides Mastin, I trust the Nick wagon as a whole more than the Mala wagon.
Also, how the fuck is sheeping your town reads even a legitimate excuse. This is fucking lazy, and just serves as an excuse. If nick flips town, you have th convenient, "oh, I thought my town reads were right!" excuse.
It worries me that you've seemingly become more and more confident with this nick lynch without much reason.
I hate this reasoning so much, and this is the reason I will never be part of a town bloc. Trying to set up lynches like this is fucking dumb.aj wrote:So I asked BnB if they would help with Mala tomorrow IF I helped with Nick today.
But hey, since we're in the habit of setting up lynches, if nickandmala are consecutively lynched today and tomorrow and both flip town, I want AJ dead the following day, no questions asked.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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You cannot be serious.bro wrote:Scum PGO, maybe. If those are a thing.
Which ones and why?bro wrote:There're still the few MS posts I don't like
I've missed it if you've stated why, so why?bro wrote:Venmar is the only name on it I don't like.
Why?bnb wrote:bro keeps moving up up up the town tier
If you happened to be wrong about nick and mala (I forget if you're reading mala as scum, but I'm just going to assume you are), would this change?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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No. You did not say you think he's lying. That would have been the first thing I think you would have said if you were town (especially since that was the question nacho was asking you), and I've been dwelling on what you said about scum PGO so I'm going to go on a little bit of a rant here.BRO wrote:Why is scum-PGO not possible? I'm saying I think he's scum, so I think either his claim is fake or he's a scum PGO.
Someone tell me how what BRO just said about a scum PGO makes any sense from a town perspective.
If BRO was town and legitimately thinks Venmar is scum, he should think Venmar is lying about being a PGO. That would be the rational thinking from a town mindset. Because a scum-PGO is the most over-powered role I could think of in a large game like this.
So instead of thinking the idea of a scum-PGO is absurd, he doesn't go to the first reasonable possibility (that Venmar is lying) like he should have.
I could see scum-BRO thinking town-Venmar is a PGO and trying to make it seem like Venmar could be this magically fucking OP scum-PGO, but town-BRO thinking this? Really?
I think I already mentioned that the inconsistency here is weird, but why do you think scum-MS would blatantly lie about it and go back on it later? What possible benefit would this serve scum-MS? Or are you just saying this was a mistake and he was lying about his reasons and somehow forgot what he said about you earlier?bro wrote:The two I linked to earlier where on day 1 where he says "lurkerbro is townbro" and then "lurkerbro is scumbro" later.
Oh, really? Then what about the 10 other people who said the same thing about RM D1? Are they all scum for the same reason, too? Because I can go back and point to how many people said they either think RM is town or RM always plays like this if I need to.bro wrote:Instead, he used vague appeals to meta, like "I scumread Rach last game and this is not scum Rach" despite the fact, as I've pointed out, that Rach last game played more like her town self than this game because she could use the multiball to cover the big weakness in her scumgame (that she can't fabricate scumhunting).
If it wasn't already obvious, I think this line of reasoning is extremely shallow.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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it's not whether or not a scum-pgo is possible. it's how likely it is. especially since scum-venmar claiming PGO if he actually is a PGO is thebro wrote:1) Because your pushing weak semantics, and 2) Scum PGO may be fine. I only know what my role is, what NS's is, what the flips are, and what claims are in play. I don't have enough information to gauge whether a scum-PGO makes sense or not.stupidest fucking thing ever. and it's the fact that you didn't automatically assume he's lying if he's scum. the fact you even posit the possibility he's a scum-pgo who claimed it so that no town PRs would target him (essentially making his role useless for the sake of what? being policy lynched down the line?) is utterly absurd and i think you not realising this is you not thinking like town.
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@ghost,
i'm discussing it because i want to hear the reasons people think venmar is scum. well, specifically why bro thinks he's scum.
he is among the small list of players i would confidently bet on being town this game.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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@bro,
so you have no other reasons than the way he talked about the RM wagon, which we already discussed and you chose not to respond to except that you were going to go back and look at his interactions with the andrius wagon?
btw did you ever do that?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i can see the endgame now.trust fund wrote:That's almost as bad as thinking there'd be a scum vig
notscience, mutley and lynchbait at lylo.
it makes me sad thinking about it because it's a very real possibility.
. . . that was a push?bro wrote:Pushed Andy/Nacho scumteam.
in your opinion, why did venmar never vote andrius during this... push?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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that would generally lead me to believe hebro wrote:He generally doesn't talk about Andy.wasn'tpushing the idea that andy is scum. which sort of contradicts your idea that he did do this...
ok, i'll make it easy for you since i have read venmar's entire iso today (and this is why i am confident he is town).bro wrote:Isoing now, did control+f for "Andy" and got back surprisingly little. Skimming everything now to make sure there isn't some in-context stuff I missed.
there was a point near the end of the d1 where he mentioned voting andrius over rm, but that's it. 2086 for reference, and i don't think this is scummy.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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it's not that i think thistrust fund wrote:And I still want to know why you think scum has a vig.isthe case. it's just a possibility i'm not stupidly ruling out, given how fucking shit mutley's play has been, compounded with skullduggery being just as bad.
also if mutleyisscum, then him coasting to lylo isn't all that fucking difficult given how many people are ruling out the possibility of a scum vig, and the fact that he is useless and won't be nked if he is town.
regardless, why the fuck is this such a big deal to you? do you not have other things in this game to comment on?
or are you still toying with the idea that i'm scum or something? if so, why?
but again, if this was his intention, then there were surely better ways he could have gone about it, don't you agree?bro wrote:What's more relevant is how he tried to derail the Rach wagon.
he could have actually pushed it strongly. he could have voted for a legitimate counter-wagon. he could have tried to discredit the cases with more than "rm is town coz meta".
but he didn't do any of this. instead he voiced his (imo genuine-looking) opinion and a few times then left it alone while pursuing his scum reads...spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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no. that is an issue of playstyle. and you're being selective here, becausebro wrote:This is how town would try to discredit a case. That's the point I'm making.nobodywho was against the RM wagon d1 did anything more than venmar did in response to the cases against RM.
just as an example of how selective you're being and how weak your case on venmar is, out of interest, do you think TD is scum for the way he's talked about the nick wagon today?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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no i don't care if you have some town reads on the nick wagon (and how questionable those town reads are is another matter altogether), i'm asking who you are talking about on the mala wagon.aj wrote:I assume you're asking who I'm trusting on Nick?
now we have a couple things here. you think mala is scum. you think mala is far more likely scum than nick (at least, this is what i've gathered from your posts). you think nick doesn't make sense as scum with mala. you see far more evidence to suggest mala is scum. but you're voting nick because you "trust" the nick wagon more.
so i asked you why you think this. and you gave me some town reads on the nick wagon which i don't give a shit about. i'm asking who on the mala wagon youdon'ttrust, and why some town reads being on the nick wagon is justification for voting there.
and so far all i've seen from you is you saying "well if i lend my support there today they'll help me lynch mala tomorrow" which is a fucking bullshit excuse.
you said you have additional reasons to think nick is scum, and have thought so since d1, but they're so weak they're laughable. and i've already talked in depth about why i think this. and have not seen you justify your position on why nick is scum reasonably. i broke down exactly why i thought this in 3089 which you ignored or didn't read.
quite literally, the only legitimate reason i've seen from you for voting nick today is that what he said about the RM wagon could conceivably be something that makes sense as scum. *clap* *clap*
i mean, at least you put more effort in than most of the other people on the wagon, but don't pretend you have a legitimate reason for thinking nick is scum over mala. and don't pretend that having some town reads on the nick wagon is justification for voting him.
this is a pathetic excuse after what happened d1.aj wrote:but I CAN'T get enough mala support as is.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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it is a possibility i'm actually seriously considering, as unlikely as it might be. of the people that voiced any sort of strong opinion against rm, i think mala seems the most likely scum, but i don't even have very strong feelings about mala being scum so i'm not sure. there are players like trust fund who apparently thought rm was scum all d1 but never voted her until the wagon on andrius died. there are players who held no strong opinion one way or another and avoided conversations about her (either because they were not active like you, or because they simply weren't talking about her much). i also find it extremely unlikely that no scum was bussing dead weight RM, and find it far more likely that scum would have voiced support for the RM wagon than opposed it. the only reason i could see scum protecting RM, or trying to derail that wagon, is if they really valued her role. because otherwise, she was perfect bus material.bro wrote:NS is IC and SoS flipped town. Are you trying to tell me that nobody discrediting the wagon was scum?
td wasbro wrote:Also I hate how TD is playing today, but his day 1 play at least demonstrated some level of towniness. Venmar doesn't have that.oneexample of why your reasons for thinking venmar are scum are extremely weak.
if your only point against venmar is that there were probably scum opposing the RM lynch, and you think venmar is one of them because... then all i can really ask is why you think that, because i haven't seen you really justify it with anthing other than bringing up quotes (that are similar to those of anyone not on the RM wagon) and suggesting he's scum but others aren't. *shrug*spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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this game would be fun if there weren't approximately ten people currently not playing the game.ftl wrote:At least I'm playing, damn it.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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nick, mala, andrius, mutley, trust fund, notscience, mac, td and to some extent mastin and desperado have been underwhelming presences today (desperado in particular given i liked his d1 play but d2 he hasn't really looked like he is trying to figure things out)ftl wrote:Name them.
how the fuck do you not notice this?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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trust fund? really? maybe at the very start of d1 they were slightly active, but i've literally seen no content from them whatsoever after the first real-time day of this day phase. maybe show me why this isn't the case? because iirc they've been harping on about nothing for a while now.
nick's been posting, but his posts barely contain any content that's worth actually reading. it took him being wagoned hard for him to start providing reads. and this is fucking disappointing because i don't even think he's scum.
and mastin has been posting but he's largely ignoring any new information. he has his reads, he's set in these reads, and i'm not seeing any attempt from him to really reformulate these reads in any way, which is why i think he's been underwhelming.
i don't know. that's why i'm starting not to care. at this point, i'm hoping i get killed tonight so i don't have to deal with it. i hope i'm very wrong about mala and nick and that they're both scum and this game is that easy.ftl wrote:How do you propose we give incentive to post?
i don't like the fact that prior to me asking for your reads, you were doing basically nothing. d1 i liked how you came in, gave your reads, put a vote down, etc. d2 prior to me prodding you about it, there was none of this. now you're posting, but i'm not seeing the same figuring-out-the-game stuff that i saw d1 in your approach to rm and the rest of the game. that bothers me.desperado wrote:What does it look like I'm doing then?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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@ftl, go to the second page of trust fund's iso and look at the "strident" posting you say he's done today and tell me how much game-relevant content you actually see.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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um, no. the very first day of d2 there was stuff about his "role" and stuff with BRO. after that he has literally provided no content outside of a vote on nick and talking about how mutley is town for vig shot (this isn't fucking content).ftl wrote:and has had solid content across posts for the day.
but i don't really give a shit about arguing this. your definition of content is obviously far different to mine.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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nothing. i have no shits to give. i'm constipated. i'm just going to lurk until this day ends and hope scum mercy-kills me tonight.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i don't agree with your mac read. you're not voting the main wagons i disagree with. i think you're town (among my strongest reads at this point). i don't see much of a point in interacting with you when you're not opposed to a bro lynch. :/ i trust that you're town and i have a feeling that you will be a driving force in a town victory (even if no one else can see this atm) but i don't see a need to interact with you at this point.venmar wrote:kind of ignoring interaction with me a bitspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i did? where was i before and why did i move?andy wrote:and Muffin moved.
to be fair, the lack of character claim probably has nothing to do with his alignment, given scum prob have fake character claims anyway.andy wrote:You're missing a few things with this claim.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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that would be a dumb idea that will most likely get you modkilled for quoting role PM and i wouldn't put it past the mod to give scum fake-claims that have pictures, so it wouldn't prove anythingspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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there's equally no reason not to do it as scum. :/andy wrote:obviously, but there's no reason not to do it as town
why do you think nick is scum?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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assuming your entire scum list is town, who would you want to vote today, andy? (you cannot say yourself)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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are you claiming you can confirm themtoday, ftl? because if not, your idea is dumb.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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you should be proudspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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does it have to be nacho? if you have something that can confirm someone today... why not... you know... MALA?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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please stop lying for the sake of a dumb gambit. it doesn't need to be nacho.
and no, nacho is not a better confirm because if nick is town and mala is town then that's far more information than confirming nacho if he's town.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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BECAUSE YOU AND MALA ARE THE TWO MAIN WAGONS TODAY. IF NACHO IS TOWN, CONFIRMING HIM MEANS NOTHING TO ME.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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yeah, whatever. back to lurking. fuck this game. gl convincing nacho to claim for the sake of your gambit.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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Vote: malakittensspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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For a lynch to occur, there needs to be a certain number of votes on a particular player. In this case, the required number is ten. There hasn't been ten votes on a single player this day phase, so a lynch hasn't occurred.mutley wrote:How has there not been a lynch yet
I'm around for a while if you have any other pressing questions.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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damn. i was hoping either i'd die or i'd be able to tell majiffy to SHUT THE FUCK UP for the rest of the game. that's disappointing.
@BRO,
updated scum list now
i grew extremely paranoid of an andrius-nacho team overnight. especially since it looked like nacho knew nick was a bad lynch but never did anything to stop it.
so...
someone tell me what they think was going on with these votecounts and why the nick wagon never picked up steam as a counterwagon to RM. you can probably already guess my opinion on it. i want to see others.
Votecount 1.18
[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Aj The Epic, Nachomamma8)
[4] nickthename (mastin2, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Faster Than Light)
[3] Andrius (Trust Fund, Malakittens, RachMarie)
[3] mastin2 (BROseidon, nickthename, TiphaineDeath)
[2] Mutleyddmc (Ghostlin, Saki)
[1] BROseidon (Sound of Silence)
[1] Saki (Mutleyddmc)
[1] TiphaineDeath (Venmar)
[1] Not Voting (Mac)
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[7] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Aj The Epic, Nachomamma8, TiphaineDeath, Ghostlin)
[5] nickthename (mastin2, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Faster Than Light, Mutleyddmc)
[3] Andrius (Trust Fund, Malakittens, RachMarie)
[2] mastin2 (BROseidon, nickthename)
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[1] Mutleyddmc (Saki)
[1] TiphaineDeath (Venmar)
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i don't think mala is scum, and i will probably replace out if a repeat of d2 happens today with mala instead of nick. i'm not interested in arguing why mala is a bad lynch, and i don't expect to hear any good responses to the objections i have against it. venmar is also a horrible candidate at this point.
i will say this, though. in light of the nick flip, mala's d2 posts look townish, and the fact that she never showed any interest in jumping on the nick wagon is a good sign.
my guess is that even lynching randomly from those on the nick wagon would more likely hit scum than a mala lynch.
which reminds me. i want to hear why people think the nick wagon stalled so hard d2. i recall hearing a lot about how it was so obviously a town-driven wagon.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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[10] nickthename (Nachomamma8, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund <- lynching randomly within that is likely to hit scum. maybe add desperado in as a possibility from the later portion of the wagon.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i don't give two shits what you think about how 'immature' that is. there is no good case on mala. there was no good case on nick. if a mala wagon happens for the same shitty reasons the nick wagon happened, then yes i'd rather replace out than deal with a bunch of morons.
i'm fucking over having to argue with people who don't listen to logical arguments and i don't enjoy playing games where i can debunk basically every single point for nick being and still have people go, "no lol nick is scum!" <- YES, THE FUCKING ARGUMENT FOR NICK BEING SCUM AT THE END OF THE DAY WAS NO BETTER THAN, "LOL HE IS SCUM!"
it's a fucking joke and i'd rather not even play if that's going to happen.
also my point in bringing up those votecounts is because that was the height of the nick wagon d1 and it never developed any further as a counterwagon to RM.
why do you think this is?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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if you actually have reasons that you think are decent for voting mala, then i don't care if you vote mala. although i will look at those reasons and assess what i think of them and talk about any i disagree with. if the mala wagon is just "mala is scum" as seems to be the case with bro's vote, then yeah, i'm going to be pretty pissed off if the same shit that happened d2 happens today.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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yes. ok. but i'm asking why you think he never developed as a counter-wagon to RM. i know a lot of people were apathetic towards him or not reading him as scum, etc, i'm asking why you think it is that no real support for this counter-wagon ever developed.
i'm thinking there's a decent chance that the entire nick wagon was town. so i'm trying to figure out why nick never developed as a counter-wagon. the only options i'm left with are that scum were more interested in bussing RM, scum were not active at the time, scum didn't want to take contradictory stances to ones they'd already taken on nick or i'm wrong about my town reads. those are my guesses in order of most->least likely.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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except i've engaged with almostbro wrote:your fucking refusal to engage with what I've posted.everythingyou've posted, including your non-existent reasoning for nick being scum and your extremely poor reasoning for venmar being scum.
talk about the "way" mala has coasted and why it's "scummy"
i'm aware you've called things scummy, i've yet to see you explain why they are.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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also talk about why you so strongly felt mala is scum but stood by your vote on nick for reasons that were pathetic at best.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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actually, on second thought, i'm not all that opposed to a derp mala wagon, as long as a mala town flip means powerlynching the fuck out of bro and aj the following days.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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no.andrius wrote:scummy as fuck
when you start including scum in your scum reads, we'll talk. at least you've got one, maybe two scum in your leaning scum list.andrius wrote:SCUM
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andrius wrote:but muffin is also trying really hard to get my attentionthen lynch me you fuck.
it's rather odd that you can't tell how obvtown i am, or you're pretending you can't tell. if you think i'm scum, try to start a wagon on me. i want to see what reasons you can come up with and who joins you.
no. no, it doesn't.desperado wrote:This reeks of an FTL chainsaw.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh- zMuffinMan
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i don't see that in his early posts this game. the only thing i see in nhammen's early posting that could possibly be called iioa is his comment on #99, and that's a stretch. he was asking decent questions and while his analysis wasn't brilliant, it didn't really come across as scummy. regardless, even if you were right that he's posted similarly as scum before, do you know he doesn't post similarly as town?BRO wrote:He posted a lot of IIoA and fence-sitting stuff without engaging with what was actually going on around him.
what do you consider "substance" then? i suppose you could say that some of her early posts when she just replaced in lacked "substance", but i don't see how you can suggest she posted nothing of substance.BRO wrote:Mala comes in, doesn't post anything of substance
other than the weird thing mala said at the end of D1 (which, imo, points to mala-town more than mala-scum because RM's lynch was practically inevitable at the point she said this), she spent most of D1 saying that the points against RM were something RM does as either alignment. whether this is true or false, i don't recall seeing any sort of strong push to get people off the RM wagon. yeah, there were mentions of her thinking the cases on RM were not alignment-indicative but it wasn't like an incessant push, and it wasn't even a strong push. it was the kind of disagreement i'd expect to see from someone who doesn't agree with a case, and it didn't seem to be anything more than that.BRO wrote:it's her trying to derail a wagon on scum for reasons that were not just bad, but horrible
i felt it's a little strange that mala came into the game with a "bad gut feeling" about RM and never really pursued this (and this one of the only reasons i found myself thinking mala could be scum d2) but i don't see the supposed push against the RM wagon as scummy.
huh? no. her "coasting" did not get any pressure off her, and the fact that you're even suggesting this baffles me.BRO wrote:it got pressure off her in the short-term while not giving any content for the rest of us to work with should we decide to ultimately lynch her.
besides that, shewastechnically posting content, albeit not much. now, whether or not you think the content was good is another matter altogether. i personally didn't mind what little content she did happen to post. and i felt her frustration came across as more town than scum.
do you have a problem with the actual content she was posting? because hey, for someone that has a scum read on her, you strangely neglected to comment on anything she was actually saying D2. i don't recall you even acknowledging, say, 3306 and 3308. if you are (were) so strongly reading mala as scum,why did you avoid interacting with her for most of D2?Why didcoast on your nick vote for reasons that were plain horrible? (iirc it was... one of nick/bnb is scum because ~reasons~. and nick could be scum because it's hard to get him lynched.)youspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh - zMuffinMan
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