Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:22 pm

and bert as long as you never ever ever doubt me again we'll be OK.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:33 pm

assuming matt was poisoned and tammy didn't protect him, optimal play is probably just to quicklynch shoe and watch the poisoning go through but someone can correct me on that if they really really wanna.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:15 pm

no kill probably because matt knew he was gonna be poisoned and he knew there was nothing he could do
#logic

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:34 pm

i trust bert

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:34 pm

Vote: projectmatt

let's quicklynch

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:37 pm

QUICKLYNCH

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:39 pm

selfvote?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:47 pm

QUICKLYNCH

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:48 pm

oh yeah bert i'm supposed to sort you out
i want you to take the next post as seriously as possible, ok???

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:07 pm

In post 249, Bert wrote:Innocent blah-blah - not buying it. Don't you talk to me like that. Tell that "I'M A SWEETIE PIE" to the people in 501 Stacking the Deck. Puh-leez. I don't trust you with a ten-foot pole.

This paranoia is completely faked.
I can't see why he would have paranoia from Tammy saying something like that when the last time she said that she hammered her scumpartner and somehow broke my heart in the process.

In post 286, Bert wrote:
Unvote

No.

What are your town/scum reads?

THE BACKOFF WHEN GENERIC BEGINS TO BURST???
^^^scum
certainly not town seeing someone self destruct before him in a similar fashion as he had in the days of old

In post 296, Bert wrote:Nacho, love, please come reach out to Pappa.

I don't feel the love yet.

Vote: Nachomamma

Bert town is going to reach out to me and call me scum? HELL NO. That's like, the opposite of Bert town.

In post 323, Bert wrote:EBWOP: What I'm trying to say is I've seen enough of scum using "SORRY, please get off me, lay off, etc., etc., IM OVERGAMED or I'm SOOOO stressed out, etc." to evade questions

Even Mala in my last game did that..."LAY OFF (to put it mildly) Im already going through enough with my current games and B and C and etc. etc."

You're on a short leash.

In post 325, Bert wrote:Kay then.

My initial gut reads are still you and Mara are town and everyone else I am still working on parsing out what my feelings are. I'm gonna argue with people and annoy people and feel people out that way, help me get engaged

Have you been a meta-girl thus far in this game

5 minutes between posts.
I surmise that Bert got scared and backed off which is why he stopped the paranoia "play".

In post 419, Bert wrote:EBWOP: *calling out him/her

Either way, I'm gonna put my vote where my mouth is

VOTE: Shadoweh

Let's go, let's start arguing, Ms. Bert detractor

This clearly was a scripted attack. Bert's scumplay involves elaborate busses with scumpartners where they attack them after they face imminent death, which is how he got his reputation for good scumplay. Certainly Shadoweh's attack wasn't an attack of what she saw as an easy target and certainty idling on her scumbuddy was a perfect place for her to bide her time.

In post 434, Bert wrote:no doubt in my mind you are town (last one was 514 Masons and Monks). Usually, there is a lot of hesitation for me when I'm with you, but my gut is swinging TRUST NACHO,

This is some serious hedging for a flip-flop later.

In post 435, Bert wrote:EBWOP: I have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that one of <Tammy, Empire> may be scum. Am I just paranoid or what. Dangit.

And this position was a subtle attack to reduce the strength of the town core...

In post 479, Bert wrote:I actually read every word of the walls in this game. Several times, believe it or not. And I digested it all. If you look at #476 before this, I am starting to doubt Tammy/Empire because paranoia is setting in. QUIZ ME ON IT.

I've spent a lot of time in this game, because I really like a few of the players in this game and I'm actually very engaged/interested.

Go ahead, test me.

You should be clear about what you're talking about then, rather than throwing around words like "you sniping little chicken hound"

How is that going to help your case any? Name-calling is pretty useless here in the way you used it.

And I'm winning, and you might be too, you know why? Because I'm getting some really passive-aggressive reactions out of you. That's what I want. I treasure these aggressive retorts with SWEETness.

shittalking a scumpartner, another CLASSIC bertscum move.

In post 486, Bert wrote:
In post 483, Shadoweh wrote:You're also not the first person to mention it, the mafia tides are high in possibility of a lynch in his direction.
No, the mafia tides are not high in possibility of a lynch in his direction. Where exactly are the votes on PB? Oh right, they're mostly non-existent.

In post 483, Shadoweh wrote:Also concentrating on Purple Shoe avoiding meta questions instead of how they're avoiding the game as a whole is bad. People make alts to escape meta, don't they? It's not surprising they'd avoid answering. Bad lynch reason that tries to make everything a person's done sound super paranoid bad, like everything else you've said this game. And holy shit your reasoning for being willing to vote Gaiden.
Nacho has asked you this, and you have NOT answered. What do you think of his/her (Purple's) lying in response to Nacho's question about having played with him? And you realize there are strong players, and also players that know who Purple is but aren't telling me. That player is lurking and is coasting and we are actively LETTING that happen and permitting it.

In post 483, Shadoweh wrote:Cut: Choke harder smartass, MY VOTE IS THE HAMMER THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS. If you really thought I was saying I would never lynch someone wallposting in the same paragraph where I explain how a wallpost could be faked by scum you must be something awful.
Flail harder. That's all noise. Is that the best you can do?

In post 483, Shadoweh wrote:Rhetorical questions deserve rhetorical answers. I'm ignoring you because I think he's scum. My gut will not rest until it has satisfaction.
This is obviously not addressed to me, and is in response to Nacho's question regarding his read on me and why you're ignoring it. See, you're not being clear with your posts. Not crystal clear at all. And you wonder why you are misunderstood sometimes. *shrug* Well if you're waiting for satisfaction, I'm not going to hold up a mirror for you to see how unlikely that looks for you at this time, considering the way you are responding to me. Am I your outlet so you don't have to focus on other scumreads at this time? How's your plea for my lynch going? Oh wait, it's going nowhere. And I am totally mind-blown that your case on me isn't inspiring any votes or gathering any steam.

1) Your case is mostly hurling smart remarks that revolve around "you're bad/terrible" and "scum go after such "easy" targets." Tell me that's not true? Go ahead. I can go "yeah, well my gut won't rest until it has its satisfaction, so I'm gonna TOTALLY DISREGARD what everyone's telling me about another player." Like outlandish stubbornness is helpful at this point. I hope this makes you feel angry because then we get more reactions out of you. FOR THE WIN.

Totally MIND BLOWN and thrilled that you are taking the bait and really going after me. Love it, love it, love it. Keep it up! I am MIND BLOWN.

In post 483, Shadoweh wrote:Supporting a lynch on someone because they have a case on them is probably the laziest reasoning I've ever seen. I can't state enough how much I hate this Close Enough reasoning. I'm reading your expounding on this in 434 and it still comes down to Lurking + Other People.
Lazy? That's subjective. More realistic. Hey, I'm always an easy lynch target. Does that make your reasoning lazy too? Watch you ignore this question and then call out Tammy again for not answering ONE of your questions.

Ha. I laugh with you and raise an eyebrow. <333 With love.

I am crying after responding to your post.

PSYCHE! I love talking at ya', trooper. GET ON YOUR KNEES and respond.

BUS CITY
MOTHERFUCKING BUS CITY EVERYWHERE

In post 827, Bert wrote:
In post 825, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 822, Tammy wrote:Nacho are you sure about the shoe?
pretty sure at this point. there is a tiny chance that he's playing this game specifically to make me scumread him, but mutley's not that much of an ass so that's a tinfoil worry.
What do you think of his/her blacklisting comment and all AtE spill?

wait
wait wait wait wait wait
bertscum uses a towntell that he knows i uses often
in order to protect shoe from me
instead of just letting me lynch him???

yeah that's scum alright

In post 1132, Bert wrote:Nacho, Llamarble makes me feel odd because people who don't know me don't 'normally' use me as an example of someone with high scumhunting energies and as an example of someone towntelling

I'm not much of a scumhunter, and not conventional in my spamminess

Just very peculiar that he lists me, ya know?

getting paranoid of people because they call him town...?
SO WEIRD
SO SCUM

etc. etc. etc.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:10 pm

CAUGHT YA BERT

#NachOWNED

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:12 pm

lynch you now?
oh god no.
i'm going to save you for last.

matt/shoe + mara/qwints death will bring us down to 5, mara won't be able to poison or else she causes us a mislynch
then i lynch empire
then i lynch you

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:12 pm

NO PARANOIA??
THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE TOWN BERT TO ME

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:15 pm

you're tryin to be a smooth criminal but i can feel you sweating bert
talking about all of these irrelevant details

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:16 pm

your townie fired burned out long ago, bert.
all that remains is your scumfuck ashes.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:19 pm

and yet i'm so confident in it that i'd bet the game on you being scum
hell, i am betting the game on you being scum

what makes you so confident shoe is last scum?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:28 pm

In post 1990, Bert wrote:U been in 80% of my games, tons of baseline

I see what u did there, u tryin to sort me out, I ain't no fool

and how many times has nacho read you wrong?
ZERO

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:29 pm

you're only giving me fuel for my nightmare machine to lynch the hell out of you

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:29 pm

tammy, quicklynch matt please.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:33 pm

sometimes that's the best time to make decisions

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:33 pm

marangal why the hell aren't we quicklynching matt

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:42 pm

we're quicklynching because we're currently at 9
2 deaths during the day will bring us down to 7, 5 if they kill the duo
if they don't, we're brought down to 6, meaning we still have a mislynch, duo kill, lynch
no reason to no lynch

and we're quicklynching because scum is very likely in matt/shoe and paranoid for today is useless. there's no reason why we should have an obnoxiously long day again.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:00 pm

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Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:01 pm

sometimes you just gotta jump out of your comfort zone, tammy.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:16 pm

progress to quicklynch: 2/5
grade: D

Nachomamma8 · Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:15 pm

11 alive: two die during the lynch, one NK
8 alive: two die during the lynch, 2 NK
4 alive: two die during the lynch
6 total townkills

11 alive: two die during the lynch, 2 NK
7 alive: two die during the lynch, 1 NK
4 alive: No Lynch --> lynch
5 total townkills

11 alive: two die during the lynch, no die.
9 alive: two die during the lynch, 1 NK
6 alive: two die during the lynch, two NK
6 total townkills

i'd probably risk the shot at mara/qwints if i had a ninja since obscene amount of town kills to dodge.
if not, shoot tammy.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:29 am

why can we not just quickhammer matt

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:31 am

In post 2025, Empire wrote:Thoughts on this?

You see this, and still I ask you why you aren't quicklynching matt.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:47 am

you stay alive the whole time

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:48 am

DONE AND DONE
now quicklynch

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:52 am

QUICKLYNCH

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:11 am

FUCKING QUICKLYNCH MATT

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:18 am

if we no lynch, we lose a mislynch.
there's no reason to lose a mislynch.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:26 am

the votecount gets worse and worse
COME ON

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:06 pm

In post 2054, Tammy wrote:when I thought we should no lynch cuz shadoweh poison.

do you really still think that would have been the better path?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:06 pm

In post 2054, Tammy wrote:I'm not going to quicklynch Matt just because you say so.

would you quicklynch me?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:27 pm

ONE VERSUS ONE

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:32 pm

i want the day to end matt.
and i don't want to no lynch because if the game does continue, i would rather have you eliminated as a suspect.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:20 pm

tammy doesn't.
tammy doesn't think we should kill anyone.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:30 pm

Tammy
qwints
Ms Marangal
Empire
Nachomamma8
Bert
Generic
The Purple Shoe
projectmatt
inte

let's say this is the playerlist of the day. in a rough ordering, it's pretty much what I as scum can pull as "people I have a hope of mislynching", where those above me are people who i will not be able to mislynch. there are currently 10 alive. let's say that we poisoned Shadoweh, no lynched. I kill you, Marangal poisons shoe. No lynch again, shoe is town and marangal and qwints are dead at night, no one has any fucking clue who she poisoned. If I am poison-immune, then I'm not going to die. There's a possibility Marangal would decide to poison someone higher up on the list for irrational reasons, saving me the trouble of a mislynch, but even if she didn't (let's say she poisoned matt), it's currently 5 left alive and I have three viable mislynches left below me, and will have time to kill Empire during the night so me turning up in LyLo isn't that big of a deal. With poisoning/lynching, we get 2 town kills to every one scum kill, meaning more mislynchables will be wiped out before endgame assuming scum plays it perfectly.

yes there's a shame in mislynching town. but when it's for the good of everyone it doesn't seem like a bad thing at all.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:51 pm

In post 2076, Tammy wrote:But nacho, there was a legitimate no kill last night. The person I healed was targetted by noone else besides me.

NINJA

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:52 pm

In post 2078, Tammy wrote:I just don't see how a no lynch hurts us. And I know I'm not really all that great at math but with a missing kill and a poison it can actually help

why are you so down with mara poisoning
instead of just lynching

who do you want to lynch, tammy?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:53 pm

No, for both.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:54 pm

I assume that June Wingate was the Godfather to counter Llama's investigative role, Death was a strongman w/last role being a ninja.
This is pretty much my worst case scenario.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:54 pm

because an investigative role makes sense.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:55 pm

aka what the hell else would he be

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:03 pm

In post 2088, Tammy wrote:wait you think there were two roles in the neighborhood?

sure. servants are too weak to have powers.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:04 pm

In post 2089, Bert wrote:Is this pure speculation about Llama's role?

Yup.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:11 pm

Vote: No Lynch

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:11 pm

In post 2092, Generic wrote:Where did the speculation about poison immune come from? Do you know something I don't nacho?

No, but I think it's a possibility that we should keep on our minds. The great thing about lynches is they happen in the open and can only very very rarely be stopped.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:30 pm

In post 2097, Bert wrote:NACHO DONE SEEN THE LIGHT

i saw that tammy's stubbornness beat my own.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:31 pm

although if there is a day tomorrow it's liable i'll be flipping a shit

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 6:36 pm

"no threats to town remaining"
he wouldn't auto end it if mutters was scum and gonna die no matter what he did
let's just end this fucking day ;-;

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:51 pm

In post 2105, Tammy wrote:
In post 2100, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2097, Bert wrote:NACHO DONE SEEN THE LIGHT
i saw that tammy's stubbornness beat my own.
You have to figure out a way to work around my stubbornness.

HA

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:11 am

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:12 am

why did you poison generic?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:14 am

In post 2108, Ms Marangal wrote:Generic and bert are both Paranoia reads and Bert especially though, they are both probably town and it's probably not worth my time even thinking about them being scum

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:45 am

or last scum can't kill.

In post 2117, Ms Marangal wrote:Matt has more support for being scum, while generic doesn't so, if Generic is scum between the two he isn't likely to get enough support for a lynch no matter how much I want it, no matter how hard I push for it, it just isn't going to happen

it's better to discuss the harder lynches.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:46 am

Vote: Matt

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:00 pm

you guys are fucking killing me right now

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:20 am

In post 2128, Bert wrote:It might be 2 v 4 LYLO tomorrow with one poisoned (me) tomorrow if Mara/qwints is a 3rd party lover pair

But she is not SCUM, and we have no reason to suspect this game of multiball. If she is a separate scum faction, then there are 8 alive today. With a lynch and a poison, there will be a tomorrow. That tomorrow will compose of me/you/tammy/empire/qwints/marangal. You/tammy/empire are all town, although I would like to firm up my read on you today.

In post 2129, Bert wrote:(1) I don't really think Matt is scum anymore, to be quite frank with you.

Why? Because his play the last two days has been so amazingly awesome??

In post 2135, Bert wrote:Nacho, please read this. Make sure you read this and talk to me/us about this.

Do you think that Mara, as a third party lover in this game, would moderate a game with third party lovers where YOU/ME/TAMMY/EMPIRE were all playing? The ONLY fucking reason that paranoia came up in the first place would be because she put them in the game. Don't you think she'd be more careful if she was scum there, or am I just crazy?

In post 2136, Bert wrote:Mara's here (Shoe, and then GENERIC (????)) especially after what we had advised her on...they do NOT make sense!

Really? I thought people could have paranoia twinges.
Considering you and generic are currently trying to go after FUCKING. MARANGAL.

In post 2138, Generic wrote:You have just heard your TEAMMATE has poisoned YOU... And you keep pretending you are town?

Marangal isn't on a team with Shadoweh. The fact shadoweh kept pretending she was town was because she had a PARTNER and she was trying to offer him ASSISTANCE.

In post 2147, Empire wrote:couldn't have stopped the Generic kill due to IRL stuff. I was debating big time between him and Nacho for which townie to endgame in my autowin scenario but fucked up by not having the time to post.

She announced the Generic kill in the neighborhood beforehand?

In post 2148, Tammy wrote:Here's my thing, I just don't understand how we can think that scum were given only one night kill to use and believe he gave town an unlimited vig poisoner. That just really makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Then they are intentionally no killing.
Matt probably no-killed because he thought he was going to get poisoned yesterday.
He probably no-killed again because it resulted in such unbelievably stupid things last time.

In post 2150, Generic wrote:too much of a threat given another night if 3rd party with qwints.

What do you think she'll do if given another night? Double-kill...?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:27 am

In post 2154, Generic wrote:one is mafia and the other is town

nope. that's not a thing when both are confirmed town to each other.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:57 am

In post 2157, Generic wrote:Because they told you?

yes.
they did.
do you think town-qwints would lie about mara being confirmed town to him?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:26 pm

In post 2171, Bert wrote:What incentive does Matt have to not have shot ANYONE (even Empire or any other universal townread - not to mention the claimed PR's), knowing he's next to the top of the list (if not at the top) and about to be poisoned due to (1) a neighborhood being "clear" and (2) "town" claimed lovers. That, and replacing a relatively null-scum slot.

When a scum slot is absolutely and completely fucked, the incentive they have to do ridiculous gambits are always high reward/low risk gambits. Think of me-scum in the newbie game that lasted until Day 7. What incentive did I have to keep playing?

In post 2171, Bert wrote:I am not suggesting that you are crazy, but this is a bundle of WIFOM. That's like Tammy asking during that Skype game whether I would ever be so blatant as to buddy my scumbuddy (you, Nacho) as blatantly as I did during that Skype game. Please don't do this.

No. Would Ms Marangal, as a human being playing multiball scum who is a CLAIMED MASON LOVER POISONER, put in a skype game third party lovers with a kill? No, probably not. You would not have even thought of this possibility until Ms Marangal put it in herself, no?

In post 2171, Bert wrote:Why would he not kill Tammy or take a shot at the lovers before they take him out? This does not add up.

Why would any other player in the game not shoot the lovers?
Why wouldn't Marangal poison Generic earlier?

In post 2173, Bert wrote:Please tell me you would lynch Mara or qwints over empire or tammy. Please.

Of course. I'd lynch either of them before you, Empire, or Tammy.

In post 2171, Bert wrote:Let's say I'm scum and have a kill. I would take a shot at the lovers (or Tammy first), if I were Matt, as I would know that my shelf-life is absurdly short due to overall perceived scumminess. No-killing several nights in a row, no. Where is the incentive, Nacho? I don't see it, unless the scum likes bringing confirmed towns and letting these threats (Empire, Tammy, you) live a long time and figure everything out. I seriously doubt scum will act in such a moronic manner as such.

If you were scum who was guaranteed to lose the next day, what would you do?

In post 2173, Bert wrote:Con Mafia, where a sudden daykill ruined our chances.

In CON MAFIA, we were ruined for not using all of our weapons against a scum setup. In CON MAFIA, what were the bad suspicions? The bad suspicions were suspicions based on paranoia (suspicion against us).

In post 2175, Bert wrote:That's the kind of pressure that has been present with you. I think you're town, don't get me wrong.

But the entire time, the pressure has been to do the protown thing.
Matt has done absolutely nothing townish this entire fucking game; mara hunted and killed scum. Shadoweh pretended to be town after she was poisoned; why would she do that if she was the last one on her team???

In post 2197, Bert wrote:I'm biased but also can't say I'm pleased with how receptive you are about our theorizing.

I am perfectly receptive to logical theorizing. In fact, I can't remember a time where I freaked out about theorizing being completely off the wall and bad.
There is no evidence of it being multiball.
Mara poisoned Shadoweh Day 2.
Mara's play has been town as fuck.

But no, a no kill comes and it's multiball and the claimed town lovers are actually a third party scumteam even though it was fucking YESTERDAY when no one would let me lynch matt while shoe was dying because "oh everyone is town". Can you feel my frustration? Can you feel my pain? Every loss in every mafia game comes from stupid lynches. In Con Mafia, Stubbs and Marquis were both stupid lynches. Now, you're lynching Mara because of a NO KILL. NOT a guilty. NOT any role-related information. A NO KILL. You know the scumteam has a no kill in their disposal. Why wouldn't they use it? Why would Mara counterclaim actual scum as otherscum team? Why did she get that fakeclaim? Nothing towards Mara scum adds up in the least bit and I can rant against that all I like but I won't be able to talk about it or refute it because there is nothing to refute there is no logic no meaning to the madness it's all just madness.

In post 2207, projectmatt wrote:First of all, I don't think Generic is mafia. There is almost certainly one mafia left and if he was actually going to die for sure today, you think he would just give up. Considering he's towntold pretty strongly this game though, I'm more than a little disappointed that was your choice.

OH THANKS MATT
APPRECIATE THIS CONTRIBUTION QUITE A BIT

In post 2208, Bert wrote:Nacho, I don't know how to get you
to firm up your read on me, but seriously I don't think I've ever been more transparent and engaged as I am in this game, at least not since maybe Popcorn.

you're town it's OK

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:29 pm

In post 2241, Empire wrote:
In post 2153, Nachomamma8 wrote:She announced the Generic kill in the neighborhood beforehand?
Yeah but I wasn't around to stop it from happening and I'm honestly just hating myself for it.

Like, the gravity of how shitty that poisoning was only hit me just recently.

^confirmed evidence Mara wasn't trying to make the mislynch pool smaller^
my god, mara's paranoia is LEGENDARY
she was still waffling us in con mafia, why would she be able to wipe generic out of her head completely?
you people are paranoid of FUCKING MARANGAL
the hypocrisy is outstanding

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:30 pm

but honestly that's OK
i'm not as frustrated as my overly ranty nature might make me seem
there's just gonna be a giant heap of i told you so served in this postgame

next: what matt's done lately, set to "rolling in the deep" by adele

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:25 pm

There's a MATT LYNCH screaming in my heart
reaching a fever pitch it's bringing me out the dark
go 'head and no lynch and i'll lay your shit bare

In post 1929, projectmatt wrote:I'd like to know if I'm poisoned so I can decide whether or not to spam the day with cryptic poetry.

This is a scum claim. Do you remember Shadoweh when she got poisoned? Fucking around.
Generic was pissed when he got poisoned, as I would be, as Bert would be, as ANYONE would be. Matt was fully expecting to be dead here, but needed to know before he put effort into the game so his effort would not be wasted. Town people wouldn't be wasting their effort if they were gonna die at the end of the day.

(START DRUMS)
see how i leave with every piece of you
don't underestimate the things mattscum will do

In post 1941, projectmatt wrote:You're right, I put myself into a fundamental autoloss as scum instead of savoring the chance that I wouldn't be poisioned. JYSK I would have given myself up if I was actually scum considering this would be hopeless but sadly for you, I'm not. I like you Nacho, but I'll kind of enjoy your reaction when you were wrong.

The best reason for Matt not being scum is the fact that there was a no kill and Tammy didn't see anything. That is the ABSOLUTE BEST reason for why Matt isn't scum. For Mara, we have play reasons, we have setup reasons (two scum is weak without a considerable counter, poisoning sucks as a factional kill and sucks even more if they are lovers, mara's play has been town as hell and counterclaimed what would have to be otherscum [[which would make her a prime target for CROSSKILLING]], she gave up a secret kill in order to poison SCUM, mutley, and generic who she pushed on for THREE FUCKING DAYS). And somehow no killing would be so horrible for matt in particular that it makes him town? Why? How?

There's a MATT LYNCH screaming in my heart
reaching a fever pitch
it's bringing me out the dark

The scars of no lynch remind me of shoe
they keep me thinking we almost had it all
the scars of no lynch, they leave me breathless
I can't help feeling
WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALLLL

In post 1377, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: projectmatt

ROLLING IN THE DEEEEEEEEEEP

In post 1404, Nachomamma8 wrote:it's as easy as inte or matt, and empire should be able to read matt but i sort of lean inte right now

WE HAD THE WIN INSIDE OF OUR HAND

In post 1588, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1570, Shadoweh wrote:imo are inte and matt/gargant
buddy's probably in here i think
shadoweh jumped on confirming gargant as town for ongoing games discussion
matt called kuribo town like he was afraid
and what does a scumbag do when death is imminent?
distance, distance, distance

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 1643, Tammy wrote:We could no lynch maybe?

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2002, Tammy wrote:I'd actually be fine no lynching today.

Baby, I have no story to be told
But I've heard one on you

In post 1946, projectmatt wrote:
In post 1944, Tammy wrote:I think shoe being it and being offsite makes more sense.
That actually makes a pretty fair amount of sense.

Matt was completely fucking happy to go with "oh yeah shoe is totally the last scum and we shouldn't lynch anyone else". Because it kept the suspect pool from shrinking, and it gave him a chance. He might be a ninja, he might have no killed in order to set up for a "why would I no kill?" scenario, but the point is that he never even LOOKED for scum in the remaining players because he knew if we were lynching anyone that day, we were lynching HIM.

And I'm gonna make your head burn
Think of me in the depths of your despair
Make a home down there
As mine sure won't be shared

In post 1963, projectmatt wrote:It is very rude to try to quicklynch someone after the work of art I wrote above.

His reaction to the being quicklynched is "oh, it would be rude to quicklynch me". Bert and Tammy freak out at my idea to quicklynch someone, but Matt does not? If there weren't flags already coming up looking through his posts, there should have been flags sent up here.

The scars of no lynch remind me of shoe
they keep me thinking we almost had it all
the scars of no lynch, they leave me breathless
I can't help feeling
WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALLLLLLLLL

In post 1594, Nachomamma8 wrote:i fucking hate that matt has two of his scumreads confirmed town
and then is like "welp, i'm not doing shit"

i had two of my scumreads flip scum pretty much
so yeah i'm gonna be like "welp, i did my share"

ROLLING IN THE DEEEEEEEP

In post 1597, Nachomamma8 wrote:i earlier wanted inte-lurker because inte-lurker
now i lean towards matt
but really i just want lurkfucks to give the game what it needs to move forward

WE HAD THE WIN INSIDE OF OUR HANDSSSSS

In post 1599, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: Matt

OK. We'll lynch him, then.

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2050, Tammy wrote:Here's the thing Nacho, I don't get why you're intent on a quicklynch.

If you think the game is going to end because shoe is scum, then that's one thing and I understand what you're doing. But in that case we could also no lynch and have the same effect and we wouldn't lose another town.

But, if you think he's scum, you're going to have to explain the no kill to me.

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2054, Tammy wrote:Look I feel bad enough for lynching inte yesterday when I was leaning for it to be a mislynch when I thought we should no lynch cuz shadoweh poison.

I'm not going to quicklynch Matt just because you say so.

WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALLLLLLL

In post 1607, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1601, projectmatt wrote:apart from trying to work out the confusion and read into other players by scumhunting whilst also boringly waiting for other people to claim so I can get even more reads and decide who I want to lynch
When Marangal claimed town lovers with qwints, that should have shook your world. But the only thing we've seen since this happened is asking Tammy if I'm scum (cool, not really useful), asking Empire who is scum (cool, again, not useful), got tempted to vote me (why?), and gave Empire your old meta. That doesn't look like

In post 1601, projectmatt wrote:..So? One of my scumreads is poisoned and I'm going to find out very soon if I am right. How do you expect me to follow up? Read through an ISO of a confirmed dying player I've already read through?
What do you think of Shadoweh's behavior since she's been poisoned?
I followed up! Most people did that.

ROLLING IN THE DEEEEEEP

In post 1625, Nachomamma8 wrote:Yeah but there should have been a point where you went "okay, they are both town" and tried to find scum in the remaining players. You didn't. That's the point.

WE HAD THE WIN INSIDE OF OUR HANDS

In post 1625, Nachomamma8 wrote:matt's scum, inte lurks.

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2067, Tammy wrote:I'M A PACIFICIST.

I CAN'T HELP IT.

I TOOK A HIPPOCRATIC OATH. GODS.

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2071, Tammy wrote:VOTE: NO LYNCH

(STOMPCLAP GO)
Throw down a matt vote in every single post (woah)
Count the scumtells to find what you look for (woah)
Turn my sorrow into deadscum Matt (woah)
You'll pay me back in kind and reap just what you sow (woah)
we could have had it all

In post 1694, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1692, projectmatt wrote:Partially self preservation and partially due to my belief that he could easily be scum.
so you don't have any scumreads, then.

we could have had it all

In post 1695, Nachomamma8 wrote:yeah sure i'll swing to inte

it all, it all, it all

In post 1726, Nachomamma8 wrote:get that projectmatt lynch i been dreaming about

WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALLLLLLL

In post 1752, Nachomamma8 wrote:BERT
IF WE LYNCH INTE, MATT WILL BE POISONED
IF WE LYNCH MATT, INTE WILL BE POISONED

ROLLING IN THE DEEEEEEP

In post 1961, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: projectmatt

let's quicklynch

WE HAD THE WIN INSIDE OF OUR HANDSSS

In post 1964, Nachomamma8 wrote:QUICKLYNCH

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2076, Tammy wrote:And by no lynching we don't actually lose anything. We find out whether or not Shoe is last, and if he's not, whoever is left tomorrow can figure it out.

WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALLLLL

In post 1996, Nachomamma8 wrote:tammy, quicklynch matt please.

ROLLING IN THE DEEEEEEEEEP

In post 2001, Nachomamma8 wrote:marangal why the hell aren't we quicklynching matt

WE HAD THE WIN INSIDE OF OUR HANDS

In post 2006, Nachomamma8 wrote:and we're quicklynching because scum is very likely in matt/shoe and paranoid for today is useless. there's no reason why we should have an obnoxiously long day again.

BUT WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2072, projectmatt wrote:
vote: no lynch

WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2231, Bert wrote:
Vote: No Lynch

WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2095, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: No Lynch

WE NO LYNCHED

In post 2106, Generic wrote:
unvote,

Vote no lynch

Mara, if we get another night phase, poison matt.

killed our streak

In post 2109, FakeGod wrote:

No Lynch has occurred.

Spoiler: BEHIND THE SCENES OF ROLLING IN THE DEEP

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:41 pm

ITS THE QUICKLYNCH I ALWAYS WANTED

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:43 pm

In post 2260, projectmatt wrote:Screw you guys.

Nacho and Bert are town but I want Nacho to eat my fucking dust when I'm gone.

SUCK IT SCUMBAG

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:45 pm

In post 2265, projectmatt wrote:Tomorrow, I want you to look at Qwints. Look, I really don't give a shit that he's a lover with somebody else but hes the only one who actually makes sense to be mafia and he's been riding on Nacho's coattails since he was made "clear:.

both claimed confirmed town on one another
meaning either they can't read
or they share the same alignment

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:48 pm

In post 2269, projectmatt wrote:If you, for some god forbidden reason decide that Qwints is infallibly town, I'd probably lynch Tammy but hell if I know after that.

qwints is confirmed town to mara and vice versa
you don't think marangal is scum

what is qwints?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:50 pm

YEAH TAMMY IM SURE HE'S GONNA FLIP TOWN

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:52 pm

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:57 pm

you forgot qwints/marangal are confirmed town to each other and thus share alignment or one is an idiot
you forgot tammy was a doctor and instead thought that empire was the doctor?
for the past two days, you've accomplished absolutely nothing even though you knew that your head was on the chopping block for a while now and that producing something would be awesome
your latest read was that the person who is dying anyways is probably town

please please please please please
stop focusing on me calling you scum
and do something.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:59 pm

In post 2283, projectmatt wrote:sorry if I was being a douchebag.

BE A DOUCHEBAG TO ME
I LYNCHED YOU
I'M STILL CALLING YOU SCUM
SHOW ME THAT I AM WRONG

Nachomamma8 · Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:27 pm

General trends say FakeGod won't be back until tomorrow.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:09 pm

Vote: qwints

Nachomamma8 · Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:20 pm

In post 2323, Bert wrote:are you finally believing me that qwints and mara are 3rd party aka scum?

No. But if we lynch qwints today, it will confirm mara and won't end the game.
I'm currently suspicious of Empire and I'm waiting for Tammy to look back over him.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:21 pm

In post 2329, Nachomamma8 wrote:it will confirm mara and won't end the game.

...and if those two are scum and we lynch someone else, there's a possibility we will be endgamed.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:22 pm

In post 2323, Bert wrote:Nacho I'm town this game, you've been really off about me lately

?
where have i suspected you this game?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:43 am

In post 2334, Bert wrote:Don't mind me, I think I'm frustrated, Nacho do you remember Newbie 1391

this feels like that?

6 nights of no-kills?

yeah i do
it doesn't feel like that because i'm not scum and there's not scum who we need to lynch because it would be stupid for us not to

TAMMY
please reaffirm empire read for me before i try to go reading him myself

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:44 am

please. i trust you and bert because i know your scumgames and i know your towngames but empire's scumgame is not a thing so i'm a bit afraid. if qwints flips town, i'm probably gonna go rambo on empire tomorrow. you are the only one who can stop me.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:47 am

In post 2336, Empire wrote:Go fuck yourself it you think I would intentionally NK as scum repeatedly while keeping the one player who could read me better than literally anyone else on the site alive for several day phases.

if qwints flips scum, then everything's gonna be okay.
if qwints doesn't flip scum then your scumgame is the only wildcard.
someone would be continuously no killing like an absolute crackhead and that crackhead ISN'T me?
not tammy
not bert
you are absolutely all that's left.

marangal's reaction was weird, though.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:59 am

In post 2345, Empire wrote:Really Nacho? You unironically think I, who has only been scum twice on the forums and whose last completed scum games were a year ago, did the following things:

a) no killed repeatedly
b) kept the one player who can read me better than anyone else on the forums alive for 5 Day phases
c) all the while suggesting autowin gameplans that, if followed, would put me in autoloss if I were scum

...all in a high risk, complicated gambit to make myself appear more town.

not really, no.
do you think tammy/bert is more likely to do those three things?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:07 am

In post 2348, Empire wrote:I don't know anything about Bert's scum game so *shrug*

answer:
FUCK NO
FUCK FUCK FUCK NO

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:13 am

i just made a post where my first line was "walk in my moccasins, empire."
and then i realized i was getting needlessly paranoid.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:19 am

yeah yeah we're all obviously town and if we were scum we'd deserve like 20 scummies

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:33 am

yeah, it's probably the lovers

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:36 am

i mean
POISONING
is kind of fucked up regardless of whether your name is green or red tbh

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:37 am

would be pretty funny flavorwise

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:49 am

OMG AND EACH MEMBER OF THE FAMILY IS FROM A DIFFERENT FACTION

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:50 am

TWO WOMEN BETRAYED THE FATHER
ONLY THE SON STAYS FAITHFUL

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:51 am

MAY WINGATE THE SWEET FEMININE BOY
APRIL SHOWERS BRING MAY FLOWERS

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:57 am

In post 2361, Tammy wrote:Is it too much to ask not to leave your stuff in there for over an hour after it's done?

you left your laundry in the dryer
for an HOUR after it was done???

crazy person.

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:01 pm

take their laundry out and throw it all over the floor

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:01 pm

it's probably better than poisoning them anyways

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:37 pm

Mara, what's the problem with lynching qwints today?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:15 pm

In post 2380, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mara, what's the problem with lynching qwints today?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:54 pm

Do you see why we're lynching him currently?

Nachomamma8 · Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:49 pm

You don't see that he's a free lynch.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:44 am

welp i'm gonna lynch the fuck out of you then.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:07 am

In post 2396, Ms Marangal wrote:he is just sheeping like a mofo

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:07 am

once you said that there was actually no way i could listen to anything you said ever again

Nachomamma8 · Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:47 am

that doesn't prove that you're town.
lynching qwints does.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:54 am

In post 2407, Empire wrote:Random question I just thought of while in the shower: Do you guys think Desperado was telling the truth about him being a self-watcher? If yes, how does that fit into the whole setup balance thing? (I'm assuming Shadoweh was just a standard Vanilla Neighbor which I think is a pretty safe one to make)

fuck if i know man

Nachomamma8 · Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:08 pm

In post 502, Shadoweh wrote:NACHO

Nachomamma8 · Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:37 pm

In post 2419, Tammy wrote:Nacho are you saying that it's you?

I just dreamed that the mod called the game because it was the lovers :\

no, i was just saying my name.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:55 pm

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:55 pm

Tammy, I think you are scum.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:01 pm

In post 2444, Tammy wrote:You're trolling me aren't you?

I hate you.

i would never troll you

In post 2446, Tammy wrote:I actually wanted people to actually comment on the lovers stance.

You do realize earlier Mara said poisoning empire or I would be her acting like scum, which means she has a town read on the both of us, but then votes me?

yeah i did
i think everyone did.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:05 pm

wait why'd you hammer...?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:06 pm

normally you would be waffling until the last minute of deadline

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:13 pm

you shoulda poisoned me, mara.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:13 pm

or acted like you were getting redirected!

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:14 pm

or not claimed town lovers so early

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:14 pm

and not kill scum so quickly (esp counterclaiming)

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:17 pm

yeah!

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:17 pm

fuckin multiball man

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:18 pm

what are you aligned with? nercromancy? dark magicks?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:20 pm

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:21 pm

tammy ur gonna be mad at me

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:21 pm

but mostly empire

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:21 pm

and fakegod

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:23 pm

i'm lady wingate

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:25 pm

nope.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:27 pm

bert's town too!

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:30 pm

In post 2486, Tammy wrote:If empire, you, and qwints are all scum then fuck you all because my day one inclinations were right.

hilariously enough
i figured i would have to bus the living fuck out of empire

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:30 pm

In post 2484, Ms Marangal wrote:CAN YOU EVEN NIGHT KILL!?

nope.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:33 pm

WE DID IT TAMMY
WE WON THE GAME
I HAVE A FREE MINI SLOT

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:35 pm

can you poison yourself during the night?
or autoendgame or some shit

i gotta free up this slot ASAP

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:36 pm

In post 2499, Empire wrote:I figured she misread her role PM.

WAIT WHAT

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:37 pm

KILL YOURSELF THEN PLEASE
(not in a mean way)

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:39 pm

In post 2505, Tammy wrote:
In post 2495, Nachomamma8 wrote:WE DID IT TAMMY
WE WON THE GAME
I HAVE A FREE MINI SLOT

we need to hydra again sometime!

<3
let's hydra again now!

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:44 pm

In post 2510, Empire wrote:Oh and before I go I just have to say that Llamarble is unironically the best scumhunter on the site. Like holy shit his play in this game.

yeah

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:44 pm

you da worst tho

Nachomamma8 · Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:58 pm

In post 2516, Tammy wrote:Hey

i was talking w/empire

Nachomamma8 · Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:50 pm

interesting!

Nachomamma8 · Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:50 pm

sorry matt

Nachomamma8 · Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:25 am

In post 2558, Generic wrote:But right now I will point out mara can't read me for shit AS I SAID. And I read her within 2 pages.

i'm sorry generic
i fucked up!