Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Tammy]

As far as whether or not an sk would exist with a poisoner, I have no idea. I wouldn't also expect the poisoner to be a mason lover. As far as nacho bussing? Idk, but I don't like his lack of reaction to Bert voting him or me. I would have expected something, but nothing.

[Tammy]

inte- if you ever check the thread, please claim as we are mass claiming and it's your turn. Tia!

[Tammy]

I supose it's possible for Marangal to be third party lovers with qwintz, but you usually don't claim that kind of thing if you want to win by yourself. So no. If there's a poisoner and an SK, then the SK would probably be BP. Self-watching BP is.. a role I had before actually and we all said should have been an SK so etc.

My thoughts right now are that I don't get what you guys are doing, at all. :/ Do you want me to think about something specific?

Yes, I have a new recipe for cherry pie and was hoping our give me ome feedback. Or I'd like your thoughts on the players in this game.

Who's your partner?

[Tammy]

Something just struck me about Matt that might make him scum. Need to try to put my finger on it.

Empire what is your Matt read?

[Tammy]

inte please claim in your next post.

Just so you know you are being more useless than purple shoe. Is that how you want to be remembered?

[Tammy]

Matt - idk it's mostly a grey feeling that struck me, mostly that's a reminder to myself to work out if its anything. Why did you pick up on me saying that and didn't budge at nacho saying you're being "so scummy" in Post 1515?

Generic - I don't see that in Bert. And besides he was pushing nacho first today, not the other way around.

If inte could claim that would be awesome. Who else are we waiting on anyway?

[Tammy]

I'm just a lowly servant boy.

Matt goes next!

How do you know my name?

Oh I though this was shoe claiming. Duh. I'm dumb.

[Tammy]

Matt claimed servant.

We're just waiting on inte, shoe, empire and me.

I wish I knew if inte read the neighborhood before he started posting in it. But considering we'll probably have to wait until inte is prodded again to even get another post from him, which will be that he'll try to catch up the next day, I doubt he'll even claim or answer that bit.

[Tammy]

Yeah, I'm thinking Shadoweh is going to flip scum here.

I wonder if he did setup one of each in the three sections. There might be one scum in each and one role in each. I think I said that the other night though. That would just be too easy though.

Hopefully one of inte or purple shoe will claim when they check in to prod dodge.

It would be just too cool if we lynched scum today and they died together.

[Tammy]

oh

UNVOTE:

I still suspect nacho, but I don't want to take the chance of him to be lynched before we're done with this in case he's not.

[Tammy]

Oh hey check it out inte gets to be prodded again so he can check in and do nothing again. Wonder if shoe will check in before he's due a prod this afternoon.

Joy.

[Tammy]

oh

UNVOTE:

I still suspect nacho, but I don't want to take the chance of him to be lynched before we're done with this in case he's not.

i didn't notice i was at L-1. people probably shouldn't be brought to L-1 with shadoweh sitting on the shoe wagon.

Oh you saw that you weren't but yeah being at L-2 is close enough when there's Shadoweh and an aimless shoe/inte out there and godsknow if they're paying attention.

[Tammy]

Oh I was thinking this morning about how desperado was trying to get me to scum read shadoweh and tie her to generic.

[quote="In post 215, Desperado"]@ Tammy: Which scumflip would be more damaging for the other, Generic or Shadow?


Here this whole business when he was trying to get me to scum read shadoweh and then tried to tie them together.

[Tammy]

Should we just forget about inte claiming and go with shoe, if he ever checks in, me and empire. kuribo did give a claim so thoughts?

[Tammy]

Purple shoe I see you around, will you just claim so we can get on with this?

[Tammy]

should I just go ahead and claim. kuribo claimed vt, so i doubt if inte responds to his prod he'll either claim or will claim anything other than that, and did someone already say that empire claimed vt? I don't remember that, but.

all this waiting around is beyond boring.

[Tammy]

Yeah inte's annoying, but hey guess what I am? Hopped up on coffee! Like I'm kinda twitchin over here, seriously, I'm very sensitive to caffeine.

So, I'm Lizen, knight of house hastiel. Invited here, doesn't say by whom, along with Aetis (rip) and Albert (no good not playing lurker). I have Visualization and an ability to fight. The fighting ability mentioned doesn't have anything to do with my role (s), but I'm guessing the Visualization part does.

I'm a medic but that's not all! I have another ability called awareness which lets me watch over the person I protect at night and learn who else if anyone visited my protect.

I'm a horrible doctor though because night one I protected nacho. I was hoping that someone would say that they had a role and visited Nacho last night because I'd have caught a liar as I was the only one who did. I also feel like the worst doctor ever because I was *-* close to healing Llamarble instead, and if I would have gone with my gut instead of the logical protect we'd be lynching a scumbag for sure today.

[Tammy]

Oh I'm also a neighbor.

[Tammy]

We could no lynch maybe?

That way we'd have Shadoweh's flip and have a better picture?

This might be silly but just a thought.

[Tammy]

I wish mara would have just said they were masons instead of lovers.

[Tammy]

Also, fun fact, he's in a game that just started friday, and he only has one more post in this game than that. (Not talking about anything more than activity, don't yell at me.) I only found out because I got all excited when I saw his name and thought he had posted in here just to be disappointed to see he wasn't.

He told us in the neighborhood he was working a lot of hours so didn't have a whole lot of time to play, then why would you sign up for another game???

[Tammy]

Nothing. Neither of us claimed in the neighborhood. I never even hinted having a role. Neither did Llamarble. The only thing we discussed was the flavor and whether or not desperado was sk and what our reads were.

[Tammy]

oh that was answering empire's question...don't know why i didn't quote it.

[Tammy]

All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[Tammy]

Right now, I want reads from Empire and Generic.

I'm pretty much on the same boat as everyone else is in that I think it's down to inte/Shoe/you. Tammy/Marangal/qwints should be treated as cleared right now and I do still think the Generic/Nacho/Bert cluster is town at the moment. I'm just paranoid that I'm either grossly underestimating Bert (I haven't seen his scum game, and yes, he does play by gut) or one of the competent scum players like Nacho/Generic is playing really well which is why we've been struggling to pin down scumreads with any measure of confidence.

Basically, remember those "stacked games" we used to have back at EM with the 40 minute Day 1 and everyone looked town and the scum team always ended up being the two best scum players in the room. That's kind of what I'm worried about.

On the other hand though, it'll be fucking incredible amounts of ownage if Shadoweh is actually somehow scum and we end the game today.

Tammy, why did you have to draw the super awesome PR and not one of the people I'm getting worried about?

In your pile of three I'd go Nacho/Bert/Generic for who would be more likely. I still have a lot of worry about Nacho as I'm in the same boat of not being sure on who the scum are. I'd be surprised if Bert were scum especially based on his paranoia earlier, but I've never seen his scum game either so not sure, and probably a road to cross in a day or two. And I think that Nacho can read him? So, unless he's just townreading his partner I find it unlikely that he's scum. And Generic's meltdown day one read real. And his posts and reads today don't feel anything like his red wedding game.

I know right? It's kind of like when Nikanor got the friendly neighbor role in the BSG game and was almost everyone's strong town read all game anyway.

[Tammy]

Ugh...I'm really not a metagirl. I'm not a big fan of metadiving as I don't really have the patience or the attention span for it. I do it when I have to or when empire makes me, but other than that, meh.

I much prefer the meta I have from actual experience because that way I get a sense for the feel of the person in a way I don't get when I read. But I do meta-dive when I'm having a hard time settling on a read.

I'm not worried about you this game though, at least not yet it's still only day two my paranoia alert button doesn't go off until day four usually and hopefully this game will be over by then or I'll be dead anyway.

I do feel like my scum game is a far cry from my town game. I just don't think very highly of my scum game at all and feel like I'm obvious scum when I'm scum. Though people who are being very nice have told me recently that's not true, so. But fmpov, it really is.

[Tammy]

So which tone of his lurking does this fit?

[Tammy]

Oh I'd love it if someone would write me a poem!

But I don't like poetry.

It'd still be nice!

I thought that inte was actually going to do something. And I'm interested in hearing from empire on his meta reads here.

I'm also a little tired and feeling lazy. But I am going to go back over some stuff tonight!

[Tammy]

I'm still kinda of surprised that Shadoweh didn't learn of the poisoning.

[Tammy]

WAit.

[Tammy]

Stop.

[Tammy]

Collaborate.

[Tammy]

And Listen.

[Tammy]

It'll come back to me. I had a thought, and got distracted by Vanilla Ice.

[Tammy]

Never mind. My random thought was stupid. It was based on Empire saying that he didn't want Shadoweh run up today, which for a second there I thought that maybe that was an implication that Shadoweh knew she had been poisoned and shared it with Empire, but upon further reflection this is stupid, so never mind.

[Tammy]

If shadoweh is town, I have a hard time seeing a scum team without nacho.

If shadoweh is scum, the I have a hard time seeing a scum team with nacho.

[Tammy]

empire - I'm really really sick today and am getting ready for a meeting. I'll be back in a few hours and can go over anything then.

But, right now I'm a bit bothered about something and I need to try to put my finger on it, but basically we've narrowed it down to projectmatt and inte (because he's not doing anything) but purple shoe isn't doing anything either and we're just letting him slide because of the blacklist comment.

idk but I'll be back in a few hours.

[Tammy]

Okay I'm here and trying to look back at some things. I'm extremely sick right now and have just taken some medicine; if I write something that is nothing but gibberish, I'm sorry.

[Tammy]

Mara, Nacho, Generic,

Peacebringer

qwints,

Garantula

projectmatt <--That's the town block.

Unvote
Vote:

Gaiden

Inte

Is anyone familiar with desperado's scum game? Would he be likely to put a partner in his town block?

[Tammy]

You know it's possible that characters were named in Desperado's role pm and that's why he knew about the months name with the Wingates. Though Mara is April right? Also, Kuribo said that his role pm mentioned that he was invited by May Wingate, so there's that too.

[Tammy]

Nacho, you seem to be acting differently than in the newbie game. Why?

Well shit then. Still, I can make the comparison with the other game of mine he was in. Pretend I did that.

I don't think I'm supposed to link to it; it's ongoing. It's still okay for me to reference it like that though, right?

I think this is why people were townreading garantula/projectmatt

[Tammy]

If shadoweh is town, I have a hard time seeing a scum team without nacho.

If shadoweh is scum, the I have a hard time seeing a scum team with nacho.

I don't know if I agree with my last night self on clearing nacho if shadoweh is scum.

[Tammy]

Buncha teases. Why would you run someone up to L-1 when you all think I'm going to flip scum already? You could put it back, I've never gotten to do one of those quickhammer troll posts like the normal people get. God, none of you ever let me have any fun! You won't even try to compose gauche poetry for me! WHEN I'M SCUM YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE I'LL KILL TAMMY. >8(

Why?

[Tammy]

empire you two move so

slow

[Tammy]

BECAUSE YOU WON'T SING FOR ME ON MY BIRTHDAY!

Is it your birthday?

I don't sing for anyone on their birthday! Noone would actually want me to sing for them on their birthday, except faraday but he's crazy and I refused then too!

[Tammy]

Happy Birthday!

[Tammy]

So, I don't know what it was that was bothering me about Matt earlier, I just read through his iso and whatever had struck me as off that day I can't find.

But, I don't want to lynch him I don't think.

[Tammy]

I think this is why people were townreading garantula/projectmatt

he was scum in that game so knew i was town

Right but I think the idea is that if he were scum why would he make those string of posts?

[Tammy]

And while I don't have a totally informed opinion about this game I know one thing for sure and that's Nachos presence when the game started and now are totally different

How and what does that say about nacho?

[Tammy]

Meh.

Desperado went after shadoweh, but never very strongly wanted to talk me out of a shadoweh town read, didn't like the inte slot or the shoe slot.

[Tammy]

BORED NOW.

[Tammy]

Oh hey cool empires back. I'm not feeling better Bert but I'm on several medications so am dealing.

Playing skyrij right now so ill wait to see what empire says about Matt/inte

But I'm here!

[Tammy]

Hey. Shadoweh. You know what feels good on your birthday? Truth.

So, I think you should just confess any little dark secrets you might have.

Did you kill mr. Wingate?

I think the truth could really set you free!

[Tammy]

That doesn't look like an answer or a confession shadoweh

[Tammy]

Oh shadoweh

You murderous whench

Did you, perchance, murder our beloved lord

And hope To make others take

The fall for youeh?

See this is why I don't sing or write poetry. I hope you're happy!

[Tammy]

Gods I waited all night for a meta report and he got the headings wrong.

You don't deserve your avi

[Tammy]

Wait shadoweh has never sen the never ending story?

That's. just. Sad.

[Tammy]

Wait shadoweh has never sen the never ending story?

That's. just. Sad.

To be fair, she's not really missing a whole lot.

Anyway, realtalk, I'm still leaning against lynching projectmatt based on that. What are your thoughts?

Blasphemy.

But real talk reading your post right now.

[Tammy]

I agree. I was starting to lean toward Matt being a bad lynch tonight anyway. I'm not really sure why he was nachos dream lynch in the first place. My problem is that I don't feel great about an inte lynch either, but I guess I'd prefer that. That would help figure out the neighborhoods.

As long as shadoweh dies, Mara can't be scum as that just doesn't make sense, and unless she's misreading her role pm quints can't be scum, hough bald eagle replacing out makes literally no sense whatsoever if he was a mason, so I hate to be that person but still nervous. A nd I'm alone now with inte so.

I think I'd prefer inte over Matt. We can get both of their flips and then if there's a tomorrow, you guys can go from there.

[Tammy]

Hey shadoweh if you're not scum we can have happy fun times in the dead qt soon. That's something to look forward to right?

[Tammy]

Yeah, shadoweh's flipping scum.

[Tammy]

Dude nacho as a bodyguard protected scum two nights in a row in your game, he can't say shit.

[Tammy]

I like space jam! Or at least I remember liking it!

I wish you would have tried to kill nacho!!!!!

[Tammy]

Empire town

As long as shadoweh flips scum and its a desperado scum then nachos town read on Bert is true though I read him as town anyway

Mara/quints are town by claim though damn does baldeagles replace out bug me

I want nacho to be town, but its nacho and I don't feel comfy calling him true town this early.

Generic is likely town, but he does have a good scum game

If its not inte (probs not) its more likely to be shoe or Matt I guess but lid lynch shoe first.

[Tammy]

Yeah I know how much time is left. Bugging me about it won't make me decide any quicker.

Do you not find it interesting that shadoweh is near confirmed scum at this point?

[Tammy]

I'm going to sleep. Ill come back to this tomorrow.

[Tammy]

I pulled back from my super red coyote tunnel before you replaced in, and was tunneling on scum after tyvm
And if by crazy amounts of charisma you mean bodyguard pr then you're right!
<3

Fucking hell and take that!

[Tammy]

really because i'm pretty sure there's a quote in #YOLOville where i call you easy to manipulate
in order to pull you off redcoyote?

You mean swag town. You did call me easy to manipulate there, and you did accuse me of tunneling red coyote when I was actually more strongly going after scum.

I'm just sain

I'm sick be nice

[Tammy]

I did go after zach very strongly and for all intense and purposes did tunnel him and he was scum.

[Tammy]

tammy i am sorry you are sick
but there is nothing that i can do except show you that i like you by teasing you
i only tease those i like

<3

[Tammy]

PEOPLE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CORRECT MY SPELLING WHEN I'VE ALREADY SAID IM SICK AND AM MEDICATED.

But it's nice to see you're following along.

[Tammy]

The stars need to align
The preparations must be made
The sacrificial lamb must be chosen
The syrup must be warmed
And the waffles must be cooked.

[Tammy]

Buh.

Lets hope shadoweh is scum and so is inte.

VOTE: inte

THERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO TROLL HAMMER SHADOWEH!

[Tammy]

Oh I thought deadline was today. Hrm.

I'm trying to resist the urge to unvote and eat some waffles.

[Tammy]

Look at you being greedy with the hammer :p

[Tammy]

If the day doesn't end, I think it would be more fun to see shoe die a slow poisoned death than Matt.

[Tammy]

But Bert I nominate you poet laureate...lets see what ya got!

[Tammy]

Lame and you don't even include poetry when you do it

*cross fingers*

[Tammy]

[Tammy]

So I'm guessing that whoever Mara poisoned is town, right? Because otherwise their win condition couldn't be met?

[Tammy]

But it says no one has been

killed

Wth does that mean?

[Tammy]

I'm feeling better than I was but I'm still sick as shit.

Also, Bert your scum game is not as bad as you say it is. I saw that sweet win you just pulled in castle.

[Tammy]

OH OKAY. I was super confused and thought it was like code or something.

[Tammy]

I didn't protect Matt.

[Tammy]

I am sick too tammy. i know how you feel.

This shit is miserable.

[Tammy]

I will.

[Tammy]

Are you going to withhold your protect target (or lack of target) - since you're doc/watcher?

Why have lack of target here?

[Tammy]

Oh no. I watch whoever I protect.

[Tammy]

So night one, I protected nacho and watched him as well.

[Tammy]

So, I've been trying to make sense of this since day start and I think scum no killed last night. Nobody visited the person I protected besides me.

[Tammy]

Which is just weird.

[Tammy]

Actually someone not sending in the nightkill because they're not around might make sense. I don't think mutters has been active on site for a few days. Ill have to check.

[Tammy]

Mutley hasn't been on site since Thursday.

Shadoweh made that weird claim that she would kill me first if she was scum. I thought it was weird when she said it, but it could have been instructions for a partner not paying attention. Plus desperado could have been bussing.

Why would Matt no kill? Even if he was scum and being poisoned, why not kill for the lulz? Besides wouldn't the game be over if the poisoned person was guilty?

[Tammy]

I think shoe being it and being offsite makes more sense.

[Tammy]

Okay I'll get back to thinking about this tomorrow. I need sleep.

[Tammy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....I knew that's what you meant when you said you almost last seconded that. I read thought that game yesterday and was like wait do I trust Bert?

[Tammy]

I don't know why that autocorrected to that many ha's

[Tammy]

Teach them well and let them lead the way

Show them all the beauty that something inside

*cant sleep and finding this amusing*

[Tammy]

They possess inside*

[Tammy]

THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL IS EASY TO ACHIEVE

Okay I hate you right now Bert. This song is on a loop.

[Tammy]

I'm not making any decisions when I can barely think straight

[Tammy]

Why would we quicklynch?

I'd actually be fine no lynching today.

[Tammy]

Noones saying have an obnoxiously long day, but the games been open for like 4 hours.

If I could breathe, I could probably sleep.

[Tammy]

I would have killed me last night.

[Tammy]

SURE OKAY

VOTE: NACHO

QUICKLYNCH QUICKLYNCH QUICKLYNCH

[Tammy]

MWAHAHAHAHA

NO.

[Tammy]

Here's the thing Nacho, I don't get why you're intent on a quicklynch.

If you think the game is going to end because shoe is scum, then that's one thing and I understand what you're doing. But in that case we could also no lynch and have the same effect and we wouldn't lose another town.

But, if you think he's scum, you're going to have to explain the no kill to me.

[Tammy]

Look I feel bad enough for lynching inte yesterday when I was leaning for it to be a mislynch when I thought we should no lynch cuz shadoweh poison.

I'm not going to quicklynch Matt just because you say so.

[Tammy]

when I thought we should no lynch cuz shadoweh poison.

do you really still think that would have been the better path?

We wouldn't have mislynched someone, and have been in this same exact spot.

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And no I wouldn't quicklynch you either. I only ever quicklynch when I'm super certain someone is scum and doing so will end the game. (Guess how often that is?)

[Tammy]

I'M A PACIFICIST.

I CAN'T HELP IT.

I TOOK A HIPPOCRATIC OATH. GODS.

[Tammy]

VOTE: NO LYNCH

[Tammy]

But nacho, there was a legitimate no kill last night. The person I healed was targetted by noone else besides me.

If I had actually saved someone from a kill, I'd be way more receptive, but I didn't. Scum just didn't kill.

I can make no other logical sense for that than Shoe wasn't on site and didn't submit a kill.

And by no lynching we don't actually lose anything. We find out whether or not Shoe is last, and if he's not, whoever is left tomorrow can figure it out.

Qwints, Empire, and Mara can discuss the poison target tonight. Hell we can all discuss it today. I just don't see how we're losing anything.

[Tammy]

And if you look at numbers...there's:

9 today, Shoe dies at the end of the day...he actually serves as our lynch. If the game doesn't end there then

they have to kill one of [me, mara, qwints] depending on what they do there's

6 or 7 tomorrow

if I heal between the lovers right or they target me we're golden.

I just don't see how a no lynch hurts us. And I know I'm not really all that great at math but with a missing kill and a poison it can actually help

I mean I know you say oh matt's a definite, but really nacho, you're the only one dead set on a matt lynch.

[Tammy]

But nacho, there was a legitimate no kill last night. The person I healed was targetted by noone else besides me.

NINJA

So, that was part of what I was thinking about last night.

Ninja's work for trackers right? But not for watchers?

[Tammy]

Why would you think llama had an investigative role?

[Tammy]

what if i told you that a ninja didn't actually make sense?

[Tammy]

wait you think there were two roles in the neighborhood?

[Tammy]

OKAY. Full disclosure time.

I am a doctor and I am a watcher, but I'm a blind watcher, so I don't actually see the identities of who visits the people I protect. I just learn if anyone else did.

Night one, I protected nacho, noone else visited him.
Night two, I protected myself. Once Mara claimed to be lovers, I knew it would be a crap shoot to play with who I should protect over who scum would kill, so I embellished my watcher role to seem like it was full because I'm allowed to heal myself. I figured if I could draw it to myself, we'd get a no kill last night and that would be awesome.

EXCEPT noone else visited me last night. Which means no kill. If I'm a blind watcher, what is the use for a ninja?

[Tammy]

I need sleep. like bad.

[Tammy]

NACHO DONE SEEN THE LIGHT

i saw that tammy's stubbornness beat my own.

You have to figure out a way to work around my stubbornness.

[Tammy]

Okay this is weird. Last night I healed Mara and no one else visited her. So either scum have a ninja for some weird reason or they're just not killing for a weirder reason.

I just woke up so more later.

[Tammy]

or last scum can't kill.

.

Why would that make sense? Our town poisoner has more kills than the scum team?

Perhaps we've wiped out one team and the other is acting like a VIG?

[Tammy]

Why would that make sense? Our town poisoner has more kills than the scum team?

Perhaps we've wiped out one team and the other is acting like a VIG?

Maybe. That crossed my mind to.

Yeah, the NK makes absolutely no sense. Maybe it's like that Skype game the other day where Nacho and I were scum, and Empire and ProHawk were third party lovers?

Wasn't Mara the moderator of that game?

Yes, she was. And the game before she was a sk who opened the game with talking about her confirmable role.

[Tammy]

Okay I didn't have time to come back to this really cuz kitten and omg.

Here's my thing, I just don't understand how we can think that scum were given only one night kill to use and believe he gave town an unlimited vig poisoner. That just really makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Who thinks a mod goes, okay so that sounds balanced. Scum team would have had to hit us night one in order to have a chance of winning because then the two confirmed town people make it to endgame and they what?

Nope sorry not buying it.

I guess you can claim the scum team got a ninja, but what for? I can't actually see who I protect and all if does is serve to not let me know if I protected correctly. So, you're claiming that the scum team tried to kill me the night before last but I thwarted them because I chose right and then last night tried to kill Mara but I thwarted them because I chose right? I mean I would love to be like awesome doctor that could guess where the scum kill was going to go and protect there, but I also have a result of noone visiting me the night I protected myself or Mara last night.

If we're going to argue for something insane as he only gave the scum team one kill, I don't see why 3rd party lovers is insane.

I guess the other thing you could argue is they withheld the kills. Maybe the first time as I had claimed to be full watcher, but last night after I confessed I'm a blind watcher? I don't get it. But why would they withhold the kills anyway? Just doesn't make sense.

[Tammy]

Just letting you guys know that I PASSED THE FLORIDA BAR EXAM WOOOO and the swearing in ceremony is tomorrow afternoon/evening, so my posting will be almost nil until that's done.

Woohoo congrats again. Please help when you get back! I'm entering my phase of nost trusting many people right now and I need you're input!

[Tammy]

And here's this other part I told Empire and Shadoweh that I didn't tell anyone in thread, because it was needed

we both die if I am killed at any point during today, I don't die if qwints is the one who is lynched/killed or w/e

so Bussing isn't totally outside the realm of possibility if we are both scum AND I didn't even have to proactivly defend the Qwints wagon

I could have just said we were lovers and that was it

not to mention that I CLAIMED lovers in the neighbor QT, and Empire backed that up so it isn't even like I lied when either one of us were under pressure either, no I did it pre-game which would royally fuck us both up if we were scum

it would have been against my win-con and not with it

I don't understand why you didn't share this. I said I wish you just claimed masons and you agreed. I claimed doctor and ou thought you'd just leave it in the dark that you're not full blown both die lovers? That's just stupid.
You pretty much just gambled your lives and the game on me choosing which one of you to heal versus which one they would pick to kill. I don't nderstand what possible gain you thought you were keeping by holding this back especially after yesterday I said I was hoping to draw the kill to myself because I was hoping not to have to roll the dice to see which one of the lovers they would have targetted.

Like your play just doesn't make sense to me and gods your neighborhoods been annoying this game.

[Tammy]

I just had a random thought.

What if marble was a tracker?

Then there could be a ninja, right?

Okay more after work, that was just a random thought I didn't want to forget about.

[Tammy]

I'll be able to catch up and pay attention more to this now that that damn lylo game is over.

I'll try tonight but I'm really tired so it might be tomorrow.

Mara - I'm mostly annoyed because of how much time I spent debating between the three of us to heal the past two nights. My decision would have been a lot easier if I would have know the two of you only died if you died because then I wouldn't have entertained qwints at all. And I would have been pissed if I healed qwints thinking I could outguess scum and they targetted you and you both died when I wouldn't have healed him in the first place. I guess it doesn't matter because noone's died the past two nights and if scum do have a kill and if they have been killing I've been healing correctly.

[Tammy]

The thing is that if they were third party lovers they would have a pretty good idea that the scum team would just be two.

I'm just still trying to wrap my head around the idea of intentional no kills because that doesn't make sense. It made sense when we thought it was shoe cuz mutley had been gone, but not now.

Idk nothing makes sense right now at all. Hopefully well hear back from Matt soon too.

[Tammy]

Is it insane that I'm still worried about nacho?

[Tammy]

Self metaing pff that's pathetic. It certainly isn't something I'd stoop too.

[Tammy]

I just looked up what a Ninja is.

Shoot, sounds plausible (but is it likely?) due to the claimed existence of a watcher

Well it wouldn't be all that necessary if it was just me because I don't actually see anything; I just know if someone else visited. I embellished that when I thought that Mara/Qwints were full lovers who would die if either died so that they'd pick me instead of me having to roll the dice to figure out which one of them I should heal.

So, a ninja would be silly in that regard. HOWEVER, we have no idea what Llamarble was if anything.

If Llamarble was nothing, then Mara is more than likely town because what's the purpose of a doctor if not to protect a pr? I mean why would there just be a doctor an nothing else?

ALSO, if Llamarble was nothing then there is definitely no need for a ninja because town power would be right without the scum team having anything.

But we can't know that, so Llamarble was probably something. If he was a tracker then there could be the possibility of a ninja I guess. But I'm still worried that there's just too little town power for the scum team to have a ninja in that situation.

The lack of nightkills is driving me insane though. And if weren't for the fact that I know if someone else visited who I healed, then maybe I'd be stupidly patting myself on the back about being an awesome doctor, but I can't because unless a ninja for some reason no one has visited me or mara.

I mean what kind of scum would no kill two nights in a row?

[Tammy]

Tammy and Empire, how confident are you on your reads about each other?[/url]

I feel pretty good. The way he reacted to me when I was paranoid of him day one fit with what I would expect from him as town. I do think he would have killed me night one, even if I was town reading him then. He knows that I have a tendency to get paranoid after day 3 hits, and I'd be watching him to see if my read of him could be held up as I think even if he was able to start off strong he'd get demotivated pretty fast. I'm more paranoid about Nacho/Mara/Qwints than I am empire.

I'm going to reread the game over the next few days though to try to strengthen how I feel here because something's wrong.

Then, I would have to contemplate either that (1) Tammy's scum - seriously doubt it because claiming self-protect would make her staying alive make sense - she would have no incentive to no-kill when there are no other claimed PR's that can hunt her down....or (2) Scum did not want to take a chance at being watched

I think that (2) is vastly more likely - I have a question though - is it likely or possible that Scum got paranoid about Tammy self-watching (even before she claimed that ability)? That could explain the NKs. The universal townread and non-ninja not willing to take a chance at guessing wrong (33% of getting "watched" by Tammy). I have never seen a doctor/watcher role or claim so I am not an expert about it.

Doing so ensures that we get rid of Matt first and take ourselves to LYLO with them 100% still a townread, with no chance of them being outed as guilty.

Thoughts?

Nacho, I don't know how to get you to firm up your read on me, but seriously I don't think I've ever been more transparent and engaged as I am in this game, at least not since maybe Popcorn.

I wouldn't no kill. But the thing is I guess I can see a no kill that first night after I claimed because they might not have wanted to take a chance that I could see them. However, yesterday I confessed that I'm only a blind watcher. I don't see identities; I just know if someone else visited. So, there was no reason not to take a chance and kill last night. Unless they thought I was still bluffing, but then that would have to be someone who's never really played with me. I'm not a big gambiter.

I guess it could be someone who is on Mara's town list so doesn't really have to worry about getting poisoned and could be no killing to get the poison + lynch. I don't know.

[Tammy]

If matt isn't getting lynched today, he's getting poisoned tonight

I thought you said you weren't poisoning tonight if Generic came back town.

[Tammy]

Tbf I really don't question it come day 4 when the people who should be reading me as town are reading me as town, and there are probably at least a couple handfuls of things I couldn't/wouldn't have been able to do or replicate as scum. It would probably make me turn my head if he did have to sort me out.

I thought it was odd he had to sort you out and am interested in how that develops.

I am still bothered by his lack of reaction to you and I voting him day two and the push for a quicklynch yesterday.

I'm going to reread the game over the next opulent days though and go from there.

I just can't accept there's scum left without a killing ability if Mara is town.

[Tammy]

Oh Bert - I answered you about empire in 2237 but I fucked up the quotes.

[Tammy]

I'M NOT PARANOID OF YOU ANYMORE NACHO.

VOTE: PROJECTMATT

Fine, but do you know what the first thing I complained about in my neighborhood all alone? That you quick no lynched.

[Tammy]

fuck fuck fuck

I miscounted.

I'm so sorry.

I even went back and counted before I posted.

[Tammy]

I really should not play mafia and put together lectures at the same time.

And how fucking ironic I complain about quicklynches and then be the hammer of a quicklynch

i feel like a retard

[Tammy]

Screw you guys.

Nacho and Bert are town but I want Nacho to eat my fucking dust when I'm gone.

Who's scum then?

[Tammy]

I think this game might have surpassed The Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned as the single worst game of mafia I have ever played.

Hey! I feel bad enough about this right now.

[Tammy]

If you, for some god forbidden reason decide that Qwints is infallibly town, I'd probably lynch Tammy but hell if I know after that.

OHKAY.

[Tammy]

If you, for some god forbidden reason decide that Qwints is infallibly town, I'd probably lynch Tammy but hell if I know after that.

I'D PROBABLY LYNCH OBVIOUS FUCKING TOWN.

It's probably a good thing you're gone even if you are town then.

[Tammy]

Well it's true. Like are you on crack?

Oh Tammy's probably scum, she argued for a no lynch yesterday for NO REASON when she could have easily complied with a quick projectmatt lynch. BUT NO.

She's a fucking doctor, but yeah, let's lynch that.

[Tammy]

Tammy could easily be killing random people and claiming to "heal" other people but is no killing?

Like ffs.

[Tammy]

I actually need to seriously analyze this game again to figure out the mafia which I was in the process of doing (hence why I logged on when I saw you decide to quickhammer me) so you'll probably have to deal with whatever analysis I can come up with until the mod comes back which I'm sure you understand will not be very good considering A. I'm frustrated and B. completely sleep deprived so it's just a jolly good day for everyone.

I didn't decide to quicklynch you. I made a mistake. I actually complained about the quick no lynch yesterday. I argue against no lynches every time they're brought up. It's not something I do or advocate. I'm doing several things at once, and I shouldn't have.

I'm just an idiot.

[Tammy]

I feel so bad. I kinda wanna cry.

[Tammy]

Tammy, ask Nacho about the time I hammered him on page 3 on Day 1 without a claim because he was "not talking enough." My 4th game here. LOL <3

But this was totally me being an idiot.

I mean I guess that I can make myself feel a little better if I can tell myself this is the lynch that would happen anyway or that he would have been poisoned tomorrow anyway, but I just feel like crap.

And I can't get how Nacho keeps arguing that he's going to flip scum here.

I'm really really sorry Matt.

[Tammy]

Well don't be surprised if we show up in a game together and i pretty much buddy the fuck out of you and proclaim you the most town thing ever. I tend to overcompensate, and I feel really really bad.

[Tammy]

it did.

I'm an idiot.

[Tammy]

Tomorrow I think we need to have Tammy on the ropes and pressure her and see what reactions we get out of her, to be safe

This might be funny to watch but it's not fun from my end when people do it, just so you know.

My nacho paranoia is back.

[Tammy]

Are you trying to drive me insane? No one else but me visited the person I healed last night.

[Tammy]

Mara did you poison anyone last night?

[Tammy]

Please tell me you didn't.

[Tammy]

I was thinking about this avenue last night. Lynching quints will confirm Mara whereas lynching Mara will kill both of them and if they're town and poisoned someone last night were looking at an auto loss. Though if quints is scum then so is Mara and she can be lynched tomorrow because then we'd be assured of no night kill right?

Also, I'm still really bugged by baldeagle replacing out. I was playing with him in another game at the same time and he came under a lot of suspicion and took it rather well. Why replace out if you are confirmed town? I feel like I'm dwelling on this a bit but yeah.

[Tammy]

Nacho I'm town this game, you've been really off about me lately

I'm drained from playing scum so much lately, like I need a break from this madness

are you finally believing me that qwints and mara are 3rd party aka scum?

Please tell me you didn't.

She did, because she first told us on Day 4 that she wouldn't poison anyone, and then later she said she would. And Tammy, you asked her why she changed her mind about poisoning someone.

Where did the nacho suspecting you stuff come from?

Yeah, hopefully she'll answer that question.

[Tammy]

I think if you looked at it objectively, you'd see why this plan makes sense and you wouldn't be so dismissive.

I mean look, there have been no night kills since night one. I doubt very seriously that I am stopping them each night.

So, if I'm not, the options are:

Scum are no killing
Scum don't have a kill
Scum are wiped out and you guys are third party.

I refuse to believe scum don't have a kill if you do.

We have no way of knowing which of the three are correct. Lynching quints is our best chance to verify your alignment so that we have a chance to win this.

I think if you were town you'd see this. It's a practical plan. If quints comes back town then it's definitely not you and then scum is withholding for some reason.

[Tammy]

I kind of would like to poison whoever hijacked the washing machine in my building and is keeping me from doing laundry. Is it too much to ask not to leave your stuff in there for over an hour after it's done? /rant

I would love flove love for it to be the lovers, because then my melt down on day two concerning the other neighborhood would have been warranted AND not just because I'm a total crazy person.

Okay going to actually catch up with what's been said today.

[Tammy]

I would love flove love for it to be the lovers, because then my melt down on day two concerning the other neighborhood would have been warranted AND not *just* because

I'm a total crazy person

.

(Bolded is still true regardless, just fyi.)

*ducks*

/expected

[Tammy]

I didn't. Someone else has left their stuff in the washing machine for over an hour after it's done making it so that I cannot do my laundry.

frustrating person.

[Tammy]

Okay just thought of something. It's mara. From what I know about her, she tends to not really care that much when she's mislynched if it's giving town information. She would have to know that this is a practical plan, and it's no even her that's getting lynched, so why can't she see that it's giving us information?

[Tammy]

Phone net sucks :-/

3rd try

Bert is scum

None is getting poisoned

After its proven that I am town via no poison

I would like to resume to killing the last sum

Mara let's say you're town, you have to look at it from our point of view.

There have been no night kills since night one, unless you want to argue I'm a super awesome doctor and they have a ninja.

You are the only one committing kills.

We have no way of knowing that you aren't third party.

If you are third party and we let you both live, we lose.

We have a way to figure out if you guys are in fact town and make this a near auto win situation, but that involves verifying you.

I don't understand why you have a problem with it. Does it suck, sure? But a quints town flip verifies you as town. Then it means scum is definitely in empire, Bert, nacho, with it coming down to Bert or nacho, and we can still win this.

If you are someone who traditionally accepts your own mislynch if it gives town information, I don't understand why this is such a big deal. It gives us, who don't have access to your role pm, information that we need.

[Tammy]

Random question I just thought of while in the shower: Do you guys think Desperado was telling the truth about him being a self-watcher? If yes, how does that fit into the whole setup balance thing? (I'm assuming Shadoweh was just a standard Vanilla Neighbor which I think is a pretty safe one to make)

It's quite possible. Also I was working on a thought about marble but I need to get some work done before I try yo make sense of my thoughts.

[Tammy]

Doesn't matter. We don't need either of you for this plan. I just don't understand how either of you can't see that confirming you guys is important to town. If you guys would look at it from our pov you'd see our point.

[Tammy]

It's quite possible. Also I was working on a thought about marble but I need to get some work done before I try yo make sense of my thoughts.

Did anything come out of this, Tammy?

Oh right, well I'm a knight of house hastiel. It say the aetis and I came with Albert here.

So, I was thinking if I'm a knight of what sounds like a noble house, and I came here with aetis then there's a good chance that aetis had something too. And since I got a kind of dual ability maybe he did too. Perhaps that could account for how underpowered it seems?

Okay it doesn't sound really compelling, but it just feels like the way it's worded that if I have a power aetis would too. I don't even know if that makes sense.

And if scum do have a ninja, and I'm just a super awesome doctor, then he would have to have been something, right?

[Tammy]

Nacho are you saying that it's you?

I just dreamed that the mod called the game because it was the lovers :\

[Tammy]

Well it just so happens we don't need your help.

But astounding efforts in the help for us to figure out who scum are if not you.

Really bravo.

[Tammy]

IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY FUCKING SAY IT.

GODS THIS FAME HAS BEEN INFURIATING.

[Tammy]

Can you just vote for qwints that way if we decide to do that we don't have to wait? Nobody's actually doing anything anyway.

[Tammy]

Can you just vote for qwints that way

ifwe decide to do that we don't have to wait?

[/size]Nobody's actually doing anything anyway.

You have to just be trolling at this point.

[Tammy]

Okay I'm taking that as a scum claim.

I know that we're most likely following this path anyway, but I'm going to wait to vote to see if anyone else checks in.

[Tammy]

What the literal fuck?

Vote me if you think I'm scum.

Because to think I'm scum you'd have to think I was captain moron from the planet moron to claim doc/blind watcher (wish I was that damn creative) and then no kill for the next few night when I could easily oops heal the wrong lover vig and get rid of people who could read me. OHKAY nacho.

[Tammy]

You're trolling me aren't you?

I hate you.

[Tammy]

NNNNNNAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Tammy]

I actually wanted people to actually comment on the lovers stance.

You do realize earlier Mara said poisoning empire or I would be her acting like scum, which means she has a town read on the both of us, but then votes me?

[Tammy]

As long as we're trolling.

for some reason here's the song that is in my head for some insane reason

[Tammy]

fine then

VOTE: qwints

[Tammy]

THEY SCUM CLAIMED.

[Tammy]

Like literally no one is doing anything. And they scum claimed.

[Tammy]

I hate this game.

[Tammy]

wait why'd you hammer...?

And stuff it mister quicklynch man.

[Tammy]

did you know my heal wouldn't have healed a poison?

[Tammy]

so i was right about the qwints slot all along?

[Tammy]

shadoweh flipped scum :/

Oh and your earlier question, i didn't really try to read you this game mara. your argument day one with generic was frustrating to me and it was a lot of noise and i just kind of ignored it and relied on other people for their read on you.

But i found the secrecy about the neighborhood suspicious and didn't trust anyone in it.

[Tammy]

I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE QWINTS SLOT!!!!!!!!!!

[Tammy]

I hope unless your trolling now too.

what nacho?

[Tammy]

are you scum too?

[Tammy]

i'm so confused

[Tammy]

nacho are you scum?

[Tammy]

did you kill your husband?

[Tammy]

wait so town can't win this at all?

[Tammy]

I accidentally claimed scum in the family QT as well

and empire ignored it?

Am I the only town left here???

[Tammy]

If empire, you, and qwints are all scum then fuck you all because my day one inclinations were right.

[Tammy]

mara do you die when qwints does?

[Tammy]

also empire is never ever ever allowed to blast me for being "paranoid" of him and say that his scum game sucks.

You mean his paranoia over me day one was fake?

Yeah, bad scum game fake my ass.

[Tammy]

NOPE

that much was true

Hmm...well then you'll have to figure out a way that you can still win this. If town can't win, maybe you can.

I can't heal a poison, so poison one of the people who just claimed scum too and maybe you can still win.

[Tammy]

unless they're survivors and then you guys win anyway

[Tammy]

Oh nacho you are not nice!

thank the gods.

[Tammy]

WE DID IT TAMMY
WE WON THE GAME
I HAVE A FREE MINI SLOT

we need to hydra again sometime!

[Tammy]

okay well at least i was right about the qwints slot!