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Need to hear from Imperium, blackberry, rach, and key blade in terms of who they want to go...

You rang?

In post 187, Titus wrote:That's the same way mislynches occur Jake.

Scum encourage the town that a player is scummy when they really aren't.

-j

My apologies. This is a "pre-prod dodge". Tomorrow after work I'll have time to sit down and read mafia games. See me then!

Okay, catching up and keeping track of FoS's. I'll have a new FoS count up when I finish.

In post 68, Minions wrote: I can't speak for my brothers but I have always advocated that if you elect a kingmaker you put the decision on their shoulders, it's how you get to then read them through the lynch. Yes, here we have to vote between his/her two options but if you take that decision out of thier hands you get no analysis of them through the choices.
A person willing to put that pressure on the position is a person I trust to make an intelligent one.

I can understand wanting the HoH to have the responsibility to pick the 2 lynch candidates, but that shouldn't stop anyone from scumhunting. Everyone should be held accountable in this game.

In post 68, Minions wrote: And as for bulbazak throwing down an fos on us when I'm the only one to post and it was the RVS first posts of the game... That's either an agenda or thinking we are low hanging fruit. Either way you are on our radar even before I get to the attempt to dictate how we will all handle this unique system.

Getting RVS confused is understandable. Keeping your vote for HoH on a person you randomly selected after you realized your mistake is not. Btw, you never answered my question concerning this.

In post 80, Minions wrote: I dont agree with the whole "PL KBW" and Im getting bad vibes of both Jake and Bulb for suggesting it.

If you'd played with KBW before, you would not be saying this.

In post 82, Imperium wrote:

In post 43, Bulbazak wrote:Except RVS is completely useless in this setup, instead of somewhat useless, making what Minions did fluff and suspect.

This is still a pretty bad attack.

How is it bad? Minions cast a random vote for HoH, and then kept it on that person after they realized their mistake, which makes me think it's not random. Therefore, I think that them forgetting the way the votes worked was fake.

In post 82, Imperium wrote:

In post 49, Bulbazak wrote:I can trust to make that tough decision for the betterment of the town by themselves.

If you trust someone enough to give them the chance to pick whatever lynch they want all by themselves, then you should probably just sheep the player you believe will be the most accurate. No?

I think you're misunderstanding my position. I still think that everyone should scumhunt as usual. However, if I have put my confidence in a person enough to elect them as HoH, then that means that I trust their judgement to make the lynch nominations on their own. Since then, though, I've had a change of heart, and I believe that we should have 1 of the nominations be made by the town based on whoever has the most FoS's or pressure votes or whatever you want to call them, and 1 of the nominations should be made by the HoH.

In post 84, Minions wrote:Explain why we should quicklynch KBW for not being active yet spare Gnomeo? Thats your only standard, right?

Very opportunistic.

~ Dave

The PL of KBW is not because of activity. Why would you even bring this up? And why are you continually interested in Gnomeo, to the point where you seem to hold him in high regard?

In post 85, Titus wrote: Look at BB15. All the racists and other scum manipulated the house to keep them. A player who plays like Amanda would live due to the defensive wall around them. There is no accountability because "The house wanted it." It's bullshit. We are accountable by revealing our votes in the day.

This is actually a very good point.

In post 91, BBmolla wrote:

In post 51, Bulbazak wrote:How about a compromise? We use FoS's, or whatever, as pseudo-votes. Whoever has the most p-votes by the end of the day is the first one to be nominated. The second one to be nominated is entirely decided by the HoH, which allows them to put one of their own scumreads on the chopping block. There is still accountability, night votes can still be a basis for scumhunting, and we get information based off of this random factor.

This would only help scum change a close lynch on their buddy to a lynch on a random.

How would it do that? You're assuming that the town nomination will be on scum and the HoH nomination won't. In fact, it could be the other way around. In fact, this way we are more likely to catch tricky scum which might slip through the town's fingers if we relied on majority.

On to page 6.

P-edit: Seriously?! You prod me while I'm typing up a post?

In post 137, Toogeloo wrote:

FOS Bulba and Titus

Please treat these as votes in a regular game. You are not a double voter. I'm not moving your FoS on the unofficial count until you pick one or the other.

In post 148, Keybladewielder wrote:Oh, my nominees...

Gnomeo and Toast.

Idk, I think Titus us respectable. I haven't even read the game yet, I literally just got here.

In post 164, Imperium wrote:but I'm not really happy in him getting lost with theory discussions and even that being inconsistent.

I'm not too happy getting lost in them myself. I'm beginning to think that's the nature of this game, and that bores me.

In post 164, Imperium wrote: he goes with the "I'd rather have a loose cannon HoH"

I don't nominate loose cannons for HoH. I nominate strong townreads that I believe have the town's best interest at heart. The whole "loose cannon" argument is an Appeal to Fear.

In post 164, Imperium wrote: as opposed to a "follow who the town wants to die" HoH

The town can be wrong. That kind of HoH is a puppet, and is therefore free of any accountability. If we want a giant sheep on the throne, we should just make a scumread the HoH.

In post 164, Imperium wrote: but votes JRBD as head honcho even though they are hardline the complete opposite of his position.

I may disagree with RBD a lot of the time, but I have a strong townread on them, and I believe that regardless, they have the town's best interest at heart.

In post 164, Imperium wrote: I think his FoS of Minions is also weak and unsubstantiated and pretty weird

If you had been paying attention, you'd know why I FoS'd Minions.

In post 164, Imperium wrote: hey bulba!

Hello. Your reads are crap, btw.

In post 198, Gnomeo wrote: 6. Bulbazak: Leaning scum. I don't like the direction he tried to lead us to(the HoH choosing by himself)

What don't you like about it? Don't you think that a strong town HoH is capable of nominating scum by himself? And what about the most recent plan I proposed, which gives town 1 nomination, while giving the HoH the other? But then again, it's not like you have an original thought. I mean, you even borrowed the format that you used for your reads list.

Both Minions and Gnomeo are scum. They need more FoS.

In post 208, Bulbazak wrote:Please treat these as votes in a regular game. You are not a double voter. I'm not moving your FoS on the unofficial count until you pick one or the other.

XFD... whatever . You should be happy with my choice to FoS two different people. I'm giving you accountability, and if I won HoH, it would be no surprise who I would nominate.

Hell, maybe I just came up with a whole other way we can go about playing this.

Everyone is a Double FOSer! The two players with the most FOSs are nominated regardless of who we make HoH! You should join me since you want to FOS both Minions and Gnomeo.

In post 211, Toogeloo wrote:Hell, maybe I just came up with a whole other way we can go about playing this.

Everyone is a Double FOSer! The two players with the most FOSs are nominated regardless of who we make HoH! You should join me since you want to FOS both Minions and Gnomeo.

NO.

Its not that we maintain Gnomeo in high regard and you'll see before that post I used RachMarie instead of Gnomeo. The context there is that Titus AGREED to PL KBW when he doesnt show activity, so I used the other players who havent been active as a reference.

Dude, enough with the misreps.

~ Dave

In post 211, Toogeloo wrote:Hell, maybe I just came up with a whole other way we can go about playing this.

Everyone is a Double FOSer! The two players with the most FOSs are nominated regardless of who we make HoH! You should join me since you want to FOS both Minions and Gnomeo.

Absolutely not, because that takes accountability away from the HoH. The HoH needs to make 1 of the choices, and we as the town need to make the other. Also, this idea is a nightmare logistically, and I don't need yet another reason to want to stay away from this game.

In post 213, Minions wrote:Its not that we maintain Gnomeo in high regard and you'll see before that post I used RachMarie instead of Gnomeo. The context there is that Titus AGREED to PL KBW when he doesnt show activity, so I used the other players who havent been active as a reference.

Dude, enough with the misreps.

~ Dave

Okay, so that answers the activity part. That is still not a satisfactory answer regarding Gnomeo. You brought up Gnomeo as a way to defend those who weren't posting as much, which wouldn't be suspicious if you hadn't have also placed an "RVS" vote on Gnomeo earlier in the game and kept it there even when you discovered your "mistake". You've shown an awful lot of trust in Gnomeo, which makes me believe that you are partners together.

Sorry all I have been in bed sick.

Did anyone ever answer my questions on the hydrae if they did, I do not see it.

In post 80, Minions wrote:

In post 64, Titus wrote:If KBW doesn't post in 24 hours, we should do that.

I find your theory hard to do in practice. It prevents some tactics such as drawing suspicion as a cop and claiming later. I will reflect on this in the evening.

The alternative should be scummy in their own right in case the target claims an important town role. That's why I want the HoH to at least have the say in one nominee and have some influence as to who the target is.

I dont agree with the whole "PL KBW" and Im getting bad vibes of both Jake and Bulb for suggesting it. You on the other hand?

The fact that you only responded to this after Jake has prompted you to do so AND specifically targetted KBW when other people such as Rach haven't posted yet? Thats just scummy.

~ Still Dave

In post 84, Minions wrote:

Explain why we should quicklynch KBW for not being active yet spare Gnomeo? Thats your only standard, right?

Very opportunistic.

~ Dave

If you all dont listen to Bulbazak's crap, you can see I used Rach as an example first regarding policy lynching inactive pkayers then when Titus pointed out that she was sick, I asked about why she isnt willing to policy lynch Gnomeo by the same standard. Really bad discredit there

~ Dave

wait what?

How do you compare someone who is clearly unable to post often due to injury and illness to someone who has not stated any issues with posting and just is not posting much either in quality or quantity.

Now I am aware that Gnomeo is a newbie, but still he should be able to provide at least some content. So how is Titus using a double standard? I don't see it there Minions.

Dave do I know you under your main?

Rach let me explain

Jake and Bulbazak suggested a PL on KBW.

Titus said she will pursue if KBW doesnt become active.

So I asked her what makes KBW different from other players such as yourself who havent been very active.
When she said you were sick, I used a different player.

The double standard isnt between you and Gnomeo, its between KBW and other inactives.

And its a response to Bukbazak misrepping us. Or at least omitting the part where we asked what differentiates a Policy lynch on KBW than one on other inactive players. Because Titus only agreed to such when other players brought it up and even then, her only justification is inactivity.

Yes you know me. Probably


~ Dave

Well I have had experience with both town Key and scum Key, and I can tell you don't expect him to help. In a game that has a vig he is the quintessential vigbait. Even when he does post it does nothing to help town find scum. He is like Kassadin, but with more words.

sorry. Not much to say atm.

Jerk....

Stop talking about the HoH mechanic and play.

In post 218, Minions wrote:
The double standard isnt between you and Gnomeo, its between KBW and other inactives.

And its a response to Bukbazak misrepping us. Or at least omitting the part where we asked what differentiates a Policy lynch on KBW than one on other inactive players. Because Titus only agreed to such when other players brought it up and even then, her only justification is inactivity.

Let's compare:

In post 80, Minions wrote:

In post 64, Titus wrote:If KBW doesn't post in 24 hours, we should do that.

I find your theory hard to do in practice. It prevents some tactics such as drawing suspicion as a cop and claiming later. I will reflect on this in the evening.

The alternative should be scummy in their own right in case the target claims an important town role. That's why I want the HoH to at least have the say in one nominee and have some influence as to who the target is.

I dont agree with the whole "PL KBW" and Im getting bad vibes of both Jake and Bulb for suggesting it. You on the other hand? The fact that you only responded to this after Jake has prompted you to do so AND specifically targetted KBW when

other people such as Rach

haven't posted yet? Thats just scummy.

~ Still Dave

In post 84, Minions wrote:Explain why we should quicklynch KBW for not being active

yet spare Gnomeo

? Thats your only standard, right?

Very opportunistic.

~ Dave

You went from a non-specific example ("other people such as" Rach) to a specific example (Gnomeo). The latter just didn't feel as natural, almost as if you had Gnomeo on the mind, making it less of an inquiry and more of a preemptive defense of Gnomeo. That's how I picked up on it. It just felt off. If you were just asking about why Titus singled out one player over the other inactives, you could have just said "instead of one of the other inactives" or something else non-specific, much like you did at first. However, you focused in on Gnomeo. And given your history of trusting that slot for no reason, I didn't see that as a coincidence.

In post 221, ToastyToast wrote:

unvote:vote:blackberry

Stop talking about the HoH mechanic and play.

um, so you want him as HOH?

In post 214, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 211, Toogeloo wrote:Hell, maybe I just came up with a whole other way we can go about playing this.

Everyone is a Double FOSer! The two players with the most FOSs are nominated regardless of who we make HoH! You should join me since you want to FOS both Minions and Gnomeo.

Absolutely not, because that takes accountability away from the HoH. The HoH needs to make 1 of the choices, and we as the town need to make the other. Also, this idea is a nightmare logistically, and I don't need yet another reason to want to stay away from this game.

In post 213, Minions wrote:Its not that we maintain Gnomeo in high regard and you'll see before that post I used RachMarie instead of Gnomeo. The context there is that Titus AGREED to PL KBW when he doesnt show activity, so I used the other players who havent been active as a reference.

Dude, enough with the misreps.

~ Dave

Okay, so that answers the activity part. That is still not a satisfactory answer regarding Gnomeo. You brought up Gnomeo as a way to defend those who weren't posting as much, which wouldn't be suspicious if you hadn't have also placed an "RVS" vote on Gnomeo earlier in the game and kept it there even when you discovered your "mistake". You've shown an awful lot of trust in Gnomeo, which makes me believe that you are partners together.

You are aware there are several opinions behind the minions aren't you? And that's before I even point to the fact you are using posts made before anyone else voted, is RVS, as an example of a pro gnomeo stance? I think I also moved my vote (well, OUR vote) to the guy who showed the most pro town mindset at the time.

But jake is also onto you and your scumbuddy Titus so while you try to seize controlling influence on the game you might want to actually do something pro town first.
The fact you are trying to force a single choice out of jake means you are likely trying to spare one of you.

~ Jerry