A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

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Well that was unnecessarily hostile.

You confused Ninja with Strongman, your brilliance.

Pfft. More than happy to volley snarky bs back with interest.

Ninja's avoid detection, which is how Naut would avoid being detected doing anything night 2.

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he knows what a ninja is. and he cant decide if he tracked nautilus or not.

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Well that was unnecessarily hostile.

You confused Ninja with Strongman, your brilliance.

Pfft. More than happy to volley snarky bs back with interest.

Ninja's avoid detection, which is how Naut would avoid being detected doing anything night 2.

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he knows what a ninja is. and he cant decide if he tracked nautilus or not.

pls tell me how you rationalize this against what youve stated tierce ty.

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actually you are

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<3

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the problem is that you changed from a track to a roleblock on naucho n2. you have displayed that you know what a ninja is, so your comment does not make any sense unless you were originally saying that you had tracked naucho.

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unvote vote titus

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fyi whenever you "think you caught scum because they are assuming scum have daychat" you should instead take a sobering look in the mirror and realize that you are Not Good At The Game Of Mafia.

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~Always Assume Daychat~

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i just got a lot happier w. my vote.

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safetydun is fucfking insane.

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amenm

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iom l8

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ilu vox

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if that was a big gambit 2 make me town read you real hard well, it worked.

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QUADZ IS FUCIIN SCUM

and so is TITTIEUS

Alfred,

MESSIAH and fuckin SHADOWFEH ar prob the buddies

If both of them are scum, then P&J has the best chance of being buddies.

Quadz first - then Titus.

yah this 1 tho. messiah and shadowy are pretty feffin town. im not sold on quadz either but im also doubting my town read on him so.

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and youve verified that this rolestop includes factional nightkills i assume?

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Well y'all are just an impatient bunch are you. This was over one hundred pages and I had to fucking respond otherwise it would just be oh no herpalurk. The one thing I don't do is lurk. So I at least try to be helpful until I have the opportunity to be read. It wouldn't be a god damn problem if people weren't pushing my mislynch so damn hard. So yeah, I haven't read everything, but don't act like it's because I don't give a damn. That pisses me off.

This is a crock of shit. You've had 5 days to read said 100 pages, and you sure as hell haven't been nonstop answering questions for 5 days. In fact, most of your time has been spent asking dumbass questions that would have answered themselves had you actually read the thread.

Fake anger? Check.
Blatant AtE to divert own lynch and excuse lack of thread reading? Check.
Overconcerned about being called a lurker? Check.

For Pete's sake I'll just claim now that way when I seemingly ignore all the damn questions y'all have it will be because I am reading and then I'll have to catch up on that. You cannot have it both ways, either I can try to contribute, or I go dark for 48 hours. Period.

My, so we can't read a couple pages, check for questions, read a couple pages, etc.? Lolno. I like your attempt to threaten us with "going dark" though! You should totally do it. It would really show us who's boss.

I am a one shot night stop. I stop all night actions on the night I bold a particular phrase. All investigative roles can verify because they get a result with my flavor name. It starts with a V. My ability is perfect to use at mylo because that then gives the group two lynches. Of course, that requires me to actually have the ability to live and read for two fucking seconds. I'm probably dead now so fuck off. Thanks a lot.

1-shot global roleblocker when we already have a claimed roleblocker? Loldie. Also, last I checked, 5 days > 2 seconds.

Lies. Slander. AtE. Claim that says "hey guys I'm great at mylo, you shouldn't kill me!". Hmm.

Mina

Shadoweh. Come throw a fit (and vote!) at this chick plzkthx.

Also if Glass Towers could stop being a lurkaderp and help us dispense some fiery Camorri-style justice that'd be great!

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nah scum are trying not to bus him. for example see pnj's post.

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im completely unmoved by this claim.

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OK.

So,in case nobody noticed, over the weekend my motivation levels dropped (probably a symptom of suddenly becoming a seemingly-universal scumread overnight after having been seen as Pretty Damn Town up to that point), I've been dealing with some personal shit, and I was quite frankly not sure how to respond to the pressure on me, in large part because holy shit Ooba's case is a slam dunk. If I were someone else, I'd vote me based on that case. It's fucking good, and I'm frustrated that the way my votes have moved this game just so happen to look Really Fucking Scummy.

All that said, I'm not terribly hopeful that I'll be able to straight up talk myself out of this one. Instead, I'm going to claim. YAY CLAIMS.

I am Aeron "The Damphair" Greyjoy, and I'm basically a Macho Cop. If I'm targeted by any protective role, they will receive a message that says "THE DROWNED GOD IS THE ONE TRUE GOD, AND I NEED NO PROTECTION BUT HIS," and their action will fail.
I used my N1 cop on Goat on a Raft because I always have billions of trouble reading CDB. They're town.
N2 I targeted Macmollie, who was a null-read of mine, and got town (of course).
N3 I targeted SafetyDance, because he had more-or-less fallen off the map. My action failed.

My vote on SD today was

largely because his mixing-up of night actions implies heavily that he

did

roleblock me last night

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Now can we please go back to lynching him? Thank you.

am i the only 1 whos sees hella fucking red and gets a burning desire to lynchw hen i see "id be voting/scumreading me right now"?

ne1 im skeptical as all hell of this claim.

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neway&*

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holy shit

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just, fuckin lamo

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Q: if you think there is any chance in hell this is multiball, why are you not voting the raftgoat ?

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cus uh, seriously, 18:3:3? youd have to be hiiiiiiigh as fuck

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personally i feel very :I abt the whole situ.

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btw naucho, thoughts re: the latest vc having you voting sd ?

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oh huh actually im confused i guess you can ignore thjat.

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hey quadz how come you never crumbed your inno on goat? also did u crumb being a cop at all ever ?

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uhhh i honestly forget my read on agar this game. i had resolved 2 sheep you 2day tho 2 make up 4 my spyrex mistake so i guess if u make it compelling enough?

im actually leaning quadz right now tho.

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I'm thinking Zed might be a better lynch.

Why?

In other news,
Unvote: Spyrex
Vote: elleheathen

Why?

I support the SpyreX wagon but like my lonely vote on Nautilius better for now.

I thiiiiink I'm ok with the Zdenek wagon as well, but need to pay more attention to him to make sure I still think he's scum. He's fallen off the radar for me, but it's more because I haven't been paying as much attention to his posts that anything else.

this is a pretty dang gross post if you think abt it w. spyscum and inno goat in mind.

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unvote

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Tammy said he should have been tracked to himself. Regardless of that, why are people treating this as a 1v1 in the first place when neither's flip confirms the other as lying?

the convenience of the situation heavily implies one of them is a liar.

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Can someone explain why SafetyDance and quadz are being interpreted as 1v1?

Because it's not. A roleblocked player goes nowhere, not to themselves.

You think? I would rule they still target whoever they targeted.

a roleblocked player doesnt go anywhere. i dont think ive ever seen a mod who would give any tracker result from a player who was roleblocked, and i know i sure as hell wouldnt

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well if he roleblocked Quadz N2, then w/e no point voting for Quadz. If N3, then yes, lynch Quadz. simple stuff

Quadz, nothing on this?

What's there to say? We don't know what SafetyDance actually meant, and I'm not particularly concerned about him possibly claiming to have roleblocked me. I'll freak out about it when people start voting me for it. *shrug*

if you knew that you were roleblocked, wouldnt you be a little bit more concerned here about whether or not he actually did roleblock you?

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vpote quadz

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think quadz needs to die.

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can we just kill quadz

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quadz08 (9) -

ooba, Shadoweh, Messiah Complex, Cephrir, Titus, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, AGar

quadz08 (2) -

Shadoweh, kanyesknowsbest

some 1 pls tell me wth.why did this wagon crumble after such a flimsy claim? whos the scum here who were bussing but then thought better of it when town showed interest elsewhere?

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like the way he handled safetydances roleblock is not at all from the perspective of someone who was roleblocked that night. he would want to know whether or not sd was the one who roleblocked him or if there was the possibility of a scum roleblocker or jk in the game.

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Quadz Must Die

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SD just will never be a reliable narrator due to his actions earlier in my eyes. That plus the fact I find it more likely than you of a scum rber, means I don't see this as a one v one.

Scum RBer - sure
Scum RBer - who just happened to block Quadz on N3?

If we lynch Quadz today and he turned up town, how would that affect your read of SD?

this logic implies that quadz actually was roleblocked. what he did was claim roleblocked after sd fucked his claim up in order to cause this sort of confusion. his claim along with his play today are so transparently scum i dont see any reason why keeping him around is worth it at all. him giving us titus' rolename tomorrow wont mean shit, and i dont know that i would want to spare titus the noose even if i were personally an investigative role who got his flavor name or w.e. is supposed to happen.

never mind that if quadz and titus are scum tomorrow than this is trivially easy for them to fake

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i wish everyone woudl just vote quatdz

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and kanye please help me speedlynch titus and agar after we lynch scum quadz

okay

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Did quadz claim he was RB'd after Sdance claimed his actions?

not only did he do that, but prior to his wagon he expressed a lack of concern over whether sd used the roleblock or the track on him

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these are so me beautiful votes ppl. ty.

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mainly the logic that he was trying to capitalize on safetydance bweing a megaturd @ claiming? setting up what sort of appears to be a 1v1 with someone rustling every1s jimmys but still having the abilityt to recover out of it and paint it as not a 1v1 after the fact?

can you explain to me ben why quadz would make this post as a cop who had just been roleblocked?

well if he roleblocked Quadz N2, then w/e no point voting for Quadz. If N3, then yes, lynch Quadz. simple stuff

Quadz, nothing on this?

What's there to say? We don't know what SafetyDance actually meant, and

I'm not particularly concerned about him possibly claiming to have roleblocked me.

I'll freak out about it when people start voting me for it. *shrug*

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that post? thats coming from the mindset of deflecting concerns about the nightkill being eaten by a town roleblock, not the mindset of a cop who was just roleblocked.

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literally that post + his claim is all you need to know that Quadz Must Die.

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why did you kill katsuki wth?

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vote pnj

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Empire, you and I are going to crack this one open and form that bloc when I'm awake again and have knocked a few items off my to-do list. Bring 'marble and any walls you care about.

our dear friend might be scum. thoughts?

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Kanye I read your ISO over the night phase & I think you're scum.

???

i have no idea how you could reach this conclusion.

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you think its reasonable that i would aggressively defend a buddy whos lynch was uncertain one day and then the next day aggressively push a buddy's lynch after they were in the clear?

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VOTE: Titus

Let's go with I blocked Titus on N3 when there was no kill and no other apparent shenanigans.
Let's go with her claim either didn't work or was bullshit.

Kthxbai.

so from your perspective what would you have expected to happen differently had you not blocked titus?

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or more specifically, what would you have expected to happen if you had blocked her and she had been telling the truth about her ability?

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ah. in that case what are your thoughts about the lack of kill n1 and n4?

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and does the truthfulness of her claim affect your belief that your block ate the kill?

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rip

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naucho thiughts re agars attempt to claim rb on a kill? it hasnt put him onto my town list but im gonna need some coaxing here when pnj and fredo are pullin @ my gut way harder right now

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i dont think hes scum :/

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alfred

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the amount scum have to willingly give up for titus to be scum and shadowy be town is very hard for me to swallow

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and even scum titus + scum shadowys a real bitter pill, cus really, katsuki?

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but scum giving up a nk immediately following spy lynch to ~maybe~ save titus?

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i think its extremely suboptimal play if scum

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^Plus he gets the PM.... DOESNT click the link??? da faq?

youd be surprised how many ppl dont click pms, esp daystart pms.

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i think its extremely suboptimal play if scum

I know.... but who doesn't check the lynch scene. Like w.t.f??? How'd he even know when to check back to the thread?!?

who is this talking abt and whats the point youre trying 2 make w. it ?

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oh okay i looked at the titus post now. lol wth

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lol this kid cant be serious

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fyi garruck when this many ppl tell you that youre theory is wrong and they cant all be scum, it means your theory is probably wrong.something 2 think abt

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/184733391/SCA ... 4rqxfr78jl

Those are my notes so far. I'll try to finish the rest over the weekend. If you have any questions, feel free to ask as my handwriting is a bit hard to read at points (not due to quality of scan but due to my own writing. Generally {text} are my thoughts.

literally no one is going to read that shit summarize anything you feel is important mb

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the amount scum have to willingly give up for titus to be scum

talk to me about this

scum lynch, no kill, possible scum lynch -> purposefully giving up their nightkill. that sequence of events leading up to them throwing away a nightkill is pretty far fetched imo. the biggest problem is that they are throwing away a nightkill to ~maaaybe~ save titus. why do that when he could fakeclaim something else, still maybe save himself, and keep their nightkill? you have to remember that weve been harping all game that role came before alignment and people have been treating even confirmable claims w. some trepidation (ie safedtydanzo), so theres zero guarantee that throwing away their nk saves titus.

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i just cant wrap my mind around scum realclaiming that role and shredding their nk with this gamestate. it assumes such awful play and incompetence..

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ooba whys pnj town?

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I don't understand why Titus isn't dead. KKB pls explain bb. I think he claimed that bullshit role and is now living on the apathy of town to not get lynched today~

the amount scum have to willingly give up for titus to be scum

talk to me about this

scum lynch, no kill, possible scum lynch -> purposefully giving up their nightkill. that sequence of events leading up to them throwing away a nightkill is pretty far fetched imo. the biggest problem is that they are throwing away a nightkill to ~maaaybe~ save titus. why do that when he could fakeclaim something else, still maybe save himself, and keep their nightkill? you have to remember that weve been harping all game that role came before alignment and people have been treating even confirmable claims w. some trepidation (ie safedtydanzo), so theres zero guarantee that throwing away their nk saves titus.

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why are you assuming the town is filled w. apathy right now?

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why? things are going pretty dang well for town?

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Unlike Nat, I'm not actually afraid of anything at this point seeing as all the votes on us are bullshit.

MC-They've had it out for us the

entire game

. Literally, all they've done is tunnel on us for one reason or another. No surprise that their vote is still on us.
SafetyDance- He was basically sheeping MC, if i recall correctly.
Titus- He for some reason thinks that we made up the theory in some act of anxious scumminess? Which makes no sense at all? Let alone is not enough for a serious vote on page 172 of a game.
Ooba- Ooba's also had it out for us a lot of the game. But he keeps flip-flopping. Like in his previous post he thought we were town. Now we're scum again. Why? Because MC. MC who has been tunneling us the entire time.

why are you terrified of 3 votes?

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those are 2 good posts please keep making good posts alfred and restore my faith in u (if its not 2 l8 at least)

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Tierce, I don't read tea leaves well. I strongly read you as town but I'm not going to sheep based on phantom untestable statements. Without knowing what it is, you could be interpreting what happened wrong. I'm not going to push you to claim whatever it was that happened and I'll factor in your confidence level but I cannot give much weight to what cannot be explained. Beyond your vouch, everything seems scummy to me about GR.

Pretend Garruk is a friendly neighbor and be done with it for gods sake.

What he said.

I know they targeted me on N1. They've made it obvious it was them, and we both know what was involved. And if I ate a kill that Night, I'm telling you that it is ridiculous for scum to do both things--so they can't be on the same team.

Which means that if you are taking me as Town, yes, you need to take me as vouching for them, because [this thing I am not disclosing as it is up to them and not up to myself] means they are not aligned with anyone who may have shot me.

And while we have some Town geniuses who thought vanillizing me was a great idea (yes

you

~), I don't think any vig on their right mind (hi mollie!) would have shot me N1, so if I'm responsible for the missing kill, it came at the hands of scum and Garruk Relentless are not aligned with them.

End of story. Move your vote.

thjats pretty sound.

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gosh you are in a mood missy.

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gosh you are in a mood missy.

I'm not in a mood. That was a genuine question! What was your point?

i was just commenting out loud. yiou may or may not recall i wanted him dead for several days and only backed off because of your promises he was town and also shinier things 2 lynch

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gosh you are in a mood missy.

I'm not in a mood. That was a genuine question! What was your point?

i was just commenting out loud. yiou may or may not recall i wanted him dead for several days and only backed off because of your promises he was town and also shinier things 2 lynch

I don't. Link me to this?

anyone feel alright about a last minute swing onto garruk?

hello, all. i want to lynch garuck and terice and also maybe amrun a little someonje whos good @ finding scum and also town pls tell me what 2 do ty

im not especially mad @ the agar wagon.


hey tierce whats your stance on garrcuk?

i answered my own question

vote garruck

io think hes scum and btw i think the argument of "hes not scum cus he said im town" is dumb because thats what you when you are scum in that situation (especially this early in the game.) i was gut reading him all d1 as scum and his deadline dancing was ass (as bad as yours) and i really wish thor was alive now instead of him *ksises fingers and peace signs the sky,"much love 2 my boy rip"

oh yah also his play around amrun wagon.

and thjen i never mention this or him again 1nce i stopped scumreading you.

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dont remember

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just cus i wasnt talking about it in thread doesnt mean it wasnt something i was thinking about. considering the moves hes been making today, considering his alignment is freshly on my mind. it felt relevant to me so i commented on it. im not sure i understand why you think me making an offhand comment is something to scrutinize.

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yeah

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vote nauchio

???

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can we unvote or do you want the votes hangin arnd for a minute

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i diont thjink thats v helpful for your tiown windcon chexkid

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thats l-2 btw

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i kind of want to too : \

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marble hasnt started getting mad at anyone for scumreading him yet and after empire has harped on being super uncomfortable with scum his avoidance has been tripping flags

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huh well thats an easy choice

vote goat

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thats a strong possibility but that hardly matters at this point and its pretty obvious which one would be better to leep around

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huh am i trying to bus alfred too? geeze somebody stiop me i cant stop bussing

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

most recent empire scum game
keep that in mind as you read his ISO here

can you explain to me the implications that youre deriving from that and the reasoning behind them?

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n that seemed like a lot of work. i was hoping 2 get the cliffnotes from you first and then mb id look @ it later 1nce i knew the points you were highlighting

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im running out of scum reads real bad if fredo is town like you are purporting

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im running out of scum reads real bad if fredo is town like you are purporting

who are your top 9 townreads?

shadowy benmage messiah naucho ooba tammy sd terizo. the rest of my town reads are circumstantial based on the way theyve seemingly played their role or they are slated to die today (rip goat).

i dont have cephrir as a town read because while hes done some very town things, his voting around the spyrex/quadz wagons is very much what i would expect from scum. hes prob the player im the most torn on. if someone who is strongly town reading or scum reading him wants to try and get me off the fence abt that kid id appreash it.

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agree

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that i can probably explain later, but not necessarily in the mood to explain right now
what's your read on Shadoweh made out of?

mostly how earnest she was early on and also the way she was playing her role. its a read i havent really reconsidered in awhile but she also hasnt done anything to make me reconsider it

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why elle nauty

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can i ask why alchemist hasnt killed ne1 yet

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or was that thing tbo was talkin abt earlier an attempt that consumed it. i 4got abt that

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btw can we put 2 rest the multiple scum team nonsense now that this was confirmed 18:6 at the start of the game? 4 scum lef t...

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i think im a lot less mad about killing titus now with agar flipped town.

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Setup spec, wild flinging, desperate to separate yourself Kanye?

?????

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?????????????????????

are you serious

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vote titus

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i do not believe that the titus who has proven herself to take fucking notes on the game and be careful about paying attention to details doesnt know my stance on alfred. the only way i can rationalize this is for the former to be a scumact. throw on top of that our now flipped roleblock on her on a night w.o. a kill and no other explanation for the lack of kill and my votes goin nowhere but titus today.

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vote titus

Stop wasting time.

otoh lynch titus.

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pro ddodge

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busy

sam,e

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actually that game is more of the outlier as far as my scum games go.

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i Really diont like titus in your guys townmpool.

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I would be interested in reading through stronger scumgames, although I'm not sure it'll help much.

probably not

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honestly, my alfred read is nothing concrete. its just a "why are the things i would expect to have here missing" sort of read, which could be attributed to other causes :\

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it does

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i got over it and said "yeah i guess maybe scum could be thjat bad"

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also agar flipped town.

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the main catalyst for me reevaluating those things tho was the apparent gap between his projected "pays attn to details and takes fuckin notes" style and the reality that he actually was not paying that much attention to things he seemed to care about

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i dont really know :I

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i was really banking on a pnj scumflip 2 keep my momentum, but now aside from titus im just sort of lost at who could be scum. i think i said this b4 but i need to reevaluate a lot of my reads.

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shes claiming she believes your claim and giving a dumb reason for why it doesnt make you town.

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kanye tra nslation services, quick quality trans lations between playersspecfic dialetcs

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lol

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why are you trying to draw me into a cat fight

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niot seeing ne town motivation in thjat

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I am not trying to draw you into a cat fight. Fighting doesn't serve a purpose if that's all it is. However, calling you out for baseless mudslinging DOES serve a purpose. Also, if you're town (looking less likely IMO), then getting your issues on the table and discussing them is the appropriate course of action. You should know by now I'm not the type that sits idly by and lets people suggest I am scum with no foundation whatsoever.

youre right your the type thats a bad poster.

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there now u can accuse me of mudslinging

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Kanye, how do you feel about coming out with respect to our role interaction? Because I want to talk to you about it.

unless theres something important you feel we need to discuss then no.

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I have the metabolism of a ferret. :9

kanye isn't half bad at bussing, IIRC. What in the push made you think he's Town?

i challenge you to find a game where i have aggressively bussed a buddy like i would have quadz.

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the fuck naucho ?

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I guess The Alchemist/elleheathen/kanye/Garruk would be my guess for a scumteam currently, although it's weird because Garruk/kanye interactions and because elle/Garruk business with Tierce.

:/

not sure but its sure as fuck not this

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Also:

I don't think kanye's observation of "oh she's careful but she missed something" is good at all.

and i think its good and i think shes fuckin scum,.

but lets assume shes town and im scum, where is the motivation in me flipping my read on her and going after something as "flimsy" as that. if i wanted something easy today id go "welp i dunno im just gonna sheep you on elle nacho."

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so you think she missed the entire conversation we had about why i thought alfred was scum and why you thought he was town?

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adn that doesnt conflict with her showing evidence of taking meticulous notes on the game?

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you dont think that all the shit zed did was scum?

what about spyrexs "ooba is scum if zed is scum" dance?

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and agars roleblock?

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night three.

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a night w. no kill and no explanation for the lack of kill

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you know, aside from the roleblock from the flipped town roleblocker

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wow gosh our doctor must be very good at this then to get so many successful shtos off. he must have a stack of confirmed town : )

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wonder why he didnt protect agar tho. huh

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She had the seal of approval as of my last disappearance; I will want to check again though.

Re - Benmage:
Benmage has a strong scumgame.
I see a lot of hard to fake posts but no hard evidence for Benmage town. His bestest towntells are missing.
Benmage-scum makes things make more sense to me.

Benmage, if you're town in this game then tell me why.

i dont hate this read btw

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i think tierce eating the bullet n1 is a reasonable assumption.

and i think that when you then look at them killing mollie n2, a n3 doctor protection is very unlikely.

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Didn't SafetyDance roleblock quadz n3? Or do I still have the order messed up.

n2 he roleblocked nacho and n3 he tracked quadz

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Quadz Must Die

Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.

Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.

heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.

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idk does anyone have a reason they think im scum besides "he lynched quadz, one of the only 2 scum weve lynched this game"?

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Quadz Must Die

Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.

Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.

heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.

No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.

believe you are severely underestimating the utility of a free lynch and delaying the lynch of a buddy by 1 or more days.

idk does anyone have a reason they think im scum besides "he lynched quadz, one of the only 2 scum weve lynched this game"?

PoE. And there's nothing to show you're town either.

are you kidding me ive been obv town as fuck this game

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like what happened between you declaring me town as fuck (which iirc happened before quadz even flipped) and now that im no longer obviously town ?

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ceph the hinting i did that i could enable you somehow was a lie to give you a reason to keep me around if scum, btw. at this point im fairly certain i misplayed my role by breaking anonymity w. you, but i wanted to build camaraderie and trust w. u and then d3 and 4 happened.

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btw im not todays lynch just so you all know. we can stop barking up this tree.

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btw im not todays lynch just so you all know. we can stop barking up this tree.

You are today's lynch.

youre wrong bud.

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i missed that question

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ceph the hinting i did that i could enable you somehow was a lie to give you a reason to keep me around if scum, btw. at this point im fairly certain i misplayed my role by breaking anonymity w. you, but i wanted to build camaraderie and trust w. u and then d3 and 4 happened.

So you played your role exactly the way you would if you were scum? K.

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if i were scum i wouldnt have fence sat you so hard and have had a concrete plan on what to do with you from the start, which is p much the opposite of what happened?

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I'm quite interested in the exact wording of the ability that allows this interaction on his side, because of reasons.

its pretty bare and devoid of flavor except for the actual ability name. i can send your character a 500 word message if he is in the game. does that answer your q?

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also the ability name is where i got inspiration for the wording of my n2 message about what i could do for you

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yah i dont really get it

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like im super confused right now because ive been obv town as hell and everyone was noting this just a day ago and now all of a sudden i havent done a single town thing this game? and the only argument anyone on my wagon (besides garruck) has proffered is process of elimination? idgi

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no no no no no no no

one sign of weakness shouldn't translate into "everybody lynch kanye"

It's not your sign of weakness. He's scum - I guarantee it. I would have felt a lot better about you if you had just voted him right now though.

yes youve been really spot on w. your reads this game. especially with the "look guys please lets not lynch quadz today" thing

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excellent guarantee this gets the ooba quality seal of approval

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"hmm, one of 3 people alive in this game who have had a strong influence on making scum lynches happen? i guarantee hes scum"

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your so bad at this game right now ooba.

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you threw that fish back bud. your welcome for bein there to catch it for you.

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i did forget you started the initial push against him though. my town read on you didnt need reaffirming but its nice to have.

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K I just clarified. My motivate was counted, which means I was roleblocked.

X-Shots are consumed when roleblocked? Is that typical Faraday fare?
Also, I get paranoid when people are like "let me ask a question of the mod" then get a response in like 3 minutes. Why didn't you claim you motivated me before? Why didn't you look for confirmation on that before?

huh this is actually specifically in contrast to the way that titus' roleblock worked.

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Sigh... You guys made me claim when I asked you to just trust me... Fuck... I'm so angry at this right now!! (myself mostly because I should have played this better and not had to claim)

I was able to use my super today because certain conditions got activated. I'll mulled saving it for tomorrow for the most part of the day because I had TA as the scum who was early on the quadz wagon - plus quadz unvote on D5 was *really* bad. Closer to deadline - when I reread Quadz again - it made me doubt my read. And sanity prevailed since I really didnt know if was going to be alive tomorrow to use the super.

Rather than waste the shot at TA, I thought somebody else on the Quadz early wagon would be good. It was a toss up between kanye and Cephrir and I went with Cephrir because I noticed kanye pushing him only after it was decided Quadz was a D4 or D5 lynch.

Claim: 1-shot investigate on kanye. Result: Guilty

My initial gut scum partner call out was Benmage and Cephrir - but on further reading I'm pretty sure Benmage was a bad call and I don't think it's Cephrir too (I would have preferred it if he had voted though) - so I really don't know who's scum with kanye - but kanye is scum.

did you attempt to use this on the night titus roleblocked.

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oh nm youre gambitting. fuck off

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it took you half an hour to put together this gambit lmao. fuck youre bad ooba.

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btw considering how hammer happy people have been, i strongly suggest announcing intention for the L-1 vote and hammer vote as opposed to actually making the real votes so that i have time to claim if its absolutely necessary and yall are bad enough to believe his gambit.

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did you attempt to use this on the night titus roleblocked.

This was a day ability.

It took me half hour to go through your ISO and see if I can get a quadz-level caliber case ready for Naut. I couldn't and decided claiming was better than a weak case.

I never believe in gambits as town - scum yes - but I've never lied in my claims as town, ever.

if its not a gabmit then youre scum.? you sure you dont wanna admit youre a mad as fuck and faking a guilty 2 get your way b4 its 2 late?

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im still not claiming unless i have to. though there is nothing about my role indicated to me that i would give a false positive. im considering the likelihood of something like a permanent frame similiar to elle's permanent roleblock. my only other alternative is that ooba is scum and its hard for me to make that leap.

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so ooba, given that your ability is one shot, why the fuck would you be hesitant to claim it?

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also exactly when did you use it. at what post?

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Well I'm still not voting kanye right now. Were on day seven with only two scum kills and faraday said there could be some bastard elements and nacho and ooba have been weirding me out the past couple days, so I'm just stepping back.

can you elaborate yours oobs feelings tams?

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no, im trying to figure out if ooba is innocent here or if hes strongarming a lynch through

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each night i can target someone and find out if they have committed a kill, including on the night i targeted them. my intention with cephrir was to use him to present my guilties if i was unable to willpower down the lynches on my own.

n1 elle had not killed anyone
n2 goat had not killed anyone
n3 quadz had not killed anyone
n4 pnj, resulted in "VICTARION"
n5 alfred had not killed anyone
n6 ceph had not killed anyone

ill be happy to elaborate on reasoning for any of my choices on request. titus can confirm that as an investigative role that is the response i should have gotten.

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flavor for this is described as investigating the targets dreams and seeing their guilt manifested there.

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you guys are retarded as fuck

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maybe but otoh 6 scum and my role implies that they should be making kills.

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lyncher may not be unlikely

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vote ooba

ill test that theory.

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youre right. n1 was goat n2 was elle

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just noticed that post does not contain an unvote.

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nope

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my m4 result guarantees im not lying?

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why are you in such a rush?

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youre a better player than to blindly swallow this.

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you dont even want to see if titus will confirm or deny my n4 result lmao

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you guys are seriously dumb as rocks.

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no shit i did. just not for the reasons you think

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btw tammy i agree w you abt navho. all his shit today has been off

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i didnt want to say anything tho since he was my target tonight or tomorrow

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btw mc is still super town, tammy too

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everyone else can get fucked

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if tomorrows lynch is not one of nacho, ooba or titus im gonna be throwing a fit in the dead thread

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honestly those should be the next 3 lynches. thanx

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tammy i dont wanna put any unnecessary pressure on you but this game is literally entirely on your shoulders since pretty much everyone else is retarded or scum

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if tomorrows lynch is not one of nacho, ooba or titus im gonna be throwing a fit in the dead thread

If you're town, I'm expecting game over.

im just a dumb idiot bird i dont expect that to add to any alternative wincon aside from "x mislynches"