A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

It starts with a V.

Voldermort!

[Benmage]

My post before titus..

[Benmage]

Fyi you claim redirector, and V...

You're totally not Varys.... I mean shhh I'll fakeclaim cop tomorrow HUZZAH!

[Benmage]

STFU titus.. why do u keep spilling details of ur claim holyfuck

[Benmage]

We can at the very least test quadz's cop ability... I know I've told partners to claim cop when/if getting rung up.

Can we move on yet....??

[Benmage]

personally i feel very :I abt the whole situ.

Ya, this days looking gloom.

Still time to lynch alchemist. Think I could pull off two deadline PL?? *disclaimer* (not gonna happen... sooo lethargic)

[Benmage]

PnJ, Elle, MC... all seem solid lynches.

[Benmage]

^Lynching ALchemist would be better.

[Benmage]

Anyways.. start voting, ceph etc.. and maybe it will happen.

[Benmage]

Sdance... never claimed quadz visited himself o.O??

[Benmage]

It is possible that a non-SD scum RB could have targeted me last night, I suppose, and SD actually

did

track me to nowhere.

Hrm.

UNVOTE:

Ah ha. Welcome back to planet earth.

Yes Tierce today is all bad.

Are we lynching ALch yet? I'll try and one-up Thors and wait for less than 18 hours to mock everyone into submission. Lord knows this towns good enuff to screw it up till than.

@Tammy

can you flesh out your read on Tierce please?

[Benmage]

Oh Titus, you don't even get the crux of Alchemist.

After playing the game normally as Syrana, and doing the whole Alch switch for etc.

She fakes being a different person, and prod dodge ACTIVE lurks the game for an extended period devolving D3 into utter shit. FOR ZERO REASON.

[Benmage]

Yes Tierce today is all bad.

Question.

Is this an accusation aimed at me or commiserating with me that even someone who is barely reading the game seems to have a better grasp of it than most?

Because if it's the former, I challenge you to have a wedding involving assorted friends from out of state and keep pouring your full attention into the game. That V/LA banner is there for a reason and I'll be back tomorrow.

That statement had nothing to do with you personally.

[Benmage]

^Errr or anything game related with you specifically. (personally might have been read as rl)

[Benmage]

The reason Alch is so juicy, is because I wanna see what happens with Titus, which sheds light upon quadz... and I just read SD as town... so cheah.

[Benmage]

Benmage to stop popping up to just post sense occasionally instead of active lurking would help too!

Am I missing something important to weigh in on?

[Benmage]

Quadz Must Die

mmmmm I'd still like to see what happens with him and titus tonight.

[Benmage]

Benmage to stop popping up to just post sense occasionally instead of active lurking would help too!

Am I missing something important to weigh in on?

Apart from your own reads, top scumspects, general state of play? No, not at all...

Seems as if I have all those covered... SO cheah, glad you're sheeping me.

Pedit:

Mod

counting 1, 2, 3,

4

[Benmage]

@Sdance check out my iso its all there.

[Benmage]

Did quadz claim he was RB'd after Sdance claimed his actions?

[Benmage]

Did quadz claim he was RB'd after Sdance claimed his actions?

not only did he do that, but prior to his wagon he expressed a lack of concern over whether sd used the roleblock or the track on him

Sooooooooo people are voting him... because his master scum strategy, was to fakeclaim his night actions where a rb blocked him, after the rb said he didnt block him.... Where's the scum logic there?

[Benmage]

I thought Titus was redirecting everything to himself, including kills????????????????????????????????????

[Benmage]

If I die overnight please instalynch tierce tomorrow no questions asked.

Hmmmmmm

Vote The Alchemist

[Benmage]

{PnJ, Alch, Agar, elle} i

I think you'll get more than 1 here.

[Benmage]

ah. in that case what are your thoughts about the lack of kill n1 and n4?

N1 was explained as far as I've read.
N4 there was a kill as far as I'm aware. Unless Barristan wasn't a kill.

Titus' role to me just was like "Ok, give her a shot to use it and then barring weird, kill it with fire."

That was my understanding of why we aborted that lynch yesterday.

Shadoweh has made it pretty clear that the "global" block/selfdirect didn't affect his shenanigans. Furthermore he isn't voting Titus for his failure to deliver upon his statement. So wouldn't your inquiry begin with Shadow, and not Titus, who wouldn't know about said shenanigans.....

[Benmage]

ah. in that case what are your thoughts about the lack of kill n1 and n4?

N1 was explained as far as I've read.
N4 there was a kill as far as I'm aware. Unless Barristan wasn't a kill.

Titus' role to me just was like "Ok, give her a shot to use it and then barring weird, kill it with fire."

That was my understanding of why we aborted that lynch yesterday.

Shadoweh has made it pretty clear that the "global" block/selfdirect didn't affect his shenanigans. Furthermore he isn't voting Titus for his failure to deliver upon his statement. So wouldn't your inquiry begin with Shadow, and not Titus, who wouldn't know about said shenanigans.....

I'm voting Titus because I blocked Titus N3 and there was no kill N3 and no one else has claimed any other reason why there would be no kill N3.

You are dense.

Doctors... Jailors....Probably other BPs... in a game with so many still alive, where everyone has some sort of power.... But sure, I'm the dense one.

[Benmage]

Prod dodge. Massive work explosion. Will devote tonight to ms.

Did use my ability.

Quadz, name my flavor. (note: haven't read sorry if retreading).

Haven't checked the thread since the LYNCH!!! To see quadz lynched.

I can't take it.

Titus can die in fire now.

[Benmage]

i think its extremely suboptimal play if scum

I know.... but who doesn't check the lynch scene. Like w.t.f??? How'd he even know when to check back to the thread?!?

[Benmage]

i think its extremely suboptimal play if scum

I know.... but who doesn't check the lynch scene. Like w.t.f??? How'd he even know when to check back to the thread?!?

-Get daystart PM
-Go to thread when at computer.
- Post quick reply.
- Ignore ninja previews.
- ????
- Profit.

Autologin?

[Benmage]

^Plus he gets the PM.... DOESNT click the link??? da faq?

[Benmage]

I will scan my whole notes tonight. If someone could link me a pdf sharing site, I would appreciate it as I would like to share my notes.

ctrl C, ctrl P.

Katsuki's final comment read like someone with some sort of weak modifier. But then again it was katuski, soo cheah zzzzzz.

[Benmage]

Handwritten game notes..... ... 2013?

Type them, if they mean so much to you... otherwise call me G.W.Bush

[Benmage]

This is a Faralame game. And Faradumb games always have safeclaims for scum. Farascum roots for them.

[Benmage]

^Sorry Faraday, i've been drinking.

[Benmage]

vote prideandjoy

[Benmage]

Which leaves TheAlch, elle and PnJ

Vote PnJ, stop wasting time.

@ALl.... *yawn* lets do it it. PnJ will be todays lynch, stop twiddling.

[Benmage]

How does Benmage have 236 posts??

Impressive huh?




SooooOoooo.... still twiddling, how fun. MoAR pnj votes?

[Benmage]

Ooba......Why haven't you voted PnJ???

[Benmage]

Ooba......Why haven't you voted PnJ???

why did you?

You read scummy to me... and PoE.

[Benmage]

Plus lynch plausibility.

[Benmage]

You read scummy to me

quote relevant posts.

You've had 3 days prior to come out and say something similar. The only thing I remember you doing was merely dismissing anything we ever said.

CLick your iso... its in there.

WHats your read on me?

[Benmage]

The only thing I remember you doing was merely dismissing anything we ever said.

Hmmmm... Can you quote this?

[Benmage]

@Mage:
At the start of D5, I would have been all over PnJ - but just don't feel it now

Tell me why you think Alchemist is now scum?

[Benmage]

I'll give you this post: post 2221 ..But it was a response to you poorly wording your scumlist.

I'm not the only one to have found this a ludicrious statement of yours: post 2594 sooo cheah, that still rings true. You still find that statement of yours accurate? Both now and then?

What is your issue here:post 3121 .. You made a comment. I made an additional comment... Welcome to mafia?

Okay, whats wrong with either of these posts:post 3123 post 3130 ... I have issues with you stating inaccurate comments. I don't see the problem.

All three of these posts demonstrated your failure of a semantic debate:
post 3607
post 3610
post 3611

These I consider all examples of butting heads with me. None are particularly associated with finding alignment. As for my read on you, I was about to say scum, but looking over your iso I realize you are all over the place and I wonder if scum would have the energy and competence to keep so many disparate interests straight. So consider it less certain.

However now more than ever you should face increased scrutiny. And today you've been sitting back

I don't understand the final line. Are you saying I should be scrutinizing others... Or I should be scrutinized? It reads like the latter, but the 2nd sentence suggests the former.

I'm sorry if you consider me pointing out your flawed logical statements as butting heads... its me demonstrating your different mindset. Your scum mindset.

[Benmage]

I'm pretty sure Chess posted his own case for lynching him. Read those posts marked around 3000... his semantic arguments. Most of his commentary this game. Its just not coming from town.

[Benmage]

Dan if Benmage is sitting back, what's TA doing?

I've only been saying this for weeks now.... ZzzZzzzzzzz

[Benmage]

So is this page, the PnJ troll page?

Can we get 1 vote and a -----------[] please.

[Benmage]

Garruk 1v1 me fagget

This isn't bannable?

[Benmage]

Fuckit if hes 3rd party who cares.

vote naut

[Benmage]

Inb4 ooba suggests fire verse ice mafia teams


cant be for I think quadz team with the lack of kills would've spilt some sort of beans prior to dying... like we didnt kill xxx... xxx is likely fire... or something etc. . Phone posting ftl

[Benmage]

No, because he's town.

How do 3rd party typically act?

[Benmage]

Alright well he's checked in... so

vote Goat on a Raft

[Benmage]

Lemme run you through mine and CDB's scumlists brb

Oh hooked on phonics worked for me.... Uhmm noone hammer

[Benmage]

vote elleheathen

[Benmage]

btw can we put 2 rest the multiple scum team nonsense now that this was confirmed 18:6 at the start of the game? 4 scum lef t...

I'd doubt a 6 man scum team from get-go... I wouldnt put past some 3rd party dude out there somewhere...

[Benmage]

For the bloc... my only reservation might be Alfred... but full speed a head.

[Benmage]

Damnit my post was before Tierces...

[Benmage]

vote titus

Stop wasting time.

[Benmage]

*yawn* argue to me again with the scum and the notes thing.

[Benmage]

^Its called a scumqt for notes.

[Benmage]

Is everyone else finding intermittent site downtime? I tried accessing last night several times, EST.

Anywhose... I'll catchup at work or something.

[Benmage]

But why elle? Do you really see her - coming in to the thread the day after SpyreX was lynched and declaring that we need to kill her?

That's quite taken out of context... you don't mention it had to do with her being a permanent blocker on Tierce...

[Benmage]

I also find it funny no one is discussing Alchemist that much.

Whats there to discuss active lurker is still lurking. Community still sucks.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Alfred Borden

This feels so right for today.

[Benmage]

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

[Benmage]

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

I kind of want to think they are building the ladder/chain of Chaos. Sure, SpyreX's claim fit in with his role, but this is so tempting a concept--six scum needing certain events to gain abilities.

I still think there's gotta be a 3rd party in there. 6 person scum team, with daytalk(hello faraday game).. Its a lot. We'd still be against 4 scum! Can you name a 4 man scum-team? I can't.

But if it was 5 from the get-go (and as we've seen lots of town power even if weakish)... scum could gain varying weak abilities. 1 shot ---- Tracker/RB/Doc/Watcher/Rolecop etc etc.

Anyways kinda a tangent not worth over-pursuing atm.

[Benmage]

^Maybe even stronger power for more scum on a wagon.... Like Faraday supporting the scum being drivers... HRMMM (Okay okay I'm done with the crazy talk)

[Benmage]

My lynch to win path:

Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble)
Garuk Relentless (Natarisha/MafiaSSK)
The Alchemist
Shadoweh
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)
SafetyDance
elleheathen
kanyeknowsbest
Cephrir
ooba
Tammy
Tierce
Titus
Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth)
Benmage

[Benmage]

Tammy, what was the last game you saw Empire as scum as? What is his scum game like?

Who are your top 3 scum?

[Benmage]

Tammy,
A) my questions.
B) Why do you worry about that hydra?

[Benmage]

The whole they were good D1 crap.. they'll come in and be good.. No shit. Its Empire and Llamarable.. you don't think they could dangle shiny coins in front of you rednecks to go ooo ahhh at and all go yep yep town town.. like WTF are u expecting them to come in an do? Claim scum.

This is fucking pathetic.

[Benmage]

When did I say I did?

[Benmage]

Context. You are throwing a fit over AB not being lynched.

There is your lynch order post that suggests you shouldn't mind if TA goes first but prefer AB. Given they are both really high.

What fit am I throwing for him not being lynched? Where did I ever say I won't lynch TA/don't want to lynch TA??

I'm "throwing a fit" at the idea that you all will write off AB's scumminess once he comes in and start posting. That mentality is fail.

The whole they were good D1 crap.. they'll come in and be good.. No shit. Its Empire and Llamarable.. you don't think they could dangle shiny coins in front of you rednecks to go ooo ahhh at and all go yep yep town town.. like WTF are u expecting them to come in an do? Claim scum.

This is fucking pathetic.

So by this token we should never townread anyone ever? =S

You don't ignore how scummy they've been simply because they come in and act a little towny... So the whole,

I'm willing to see them come in and play,

bit... is fucking useless.

He pretty much said we shouldn't townread someone for acting like town, so... what are we supposed to do then? XD

Wrong.

[Benmage]

Your actions seem to suggest AB is the only lynch you will accept today, like a high pressure sales tactic.

Not sure where you construed that from

my posting

... misinterpreting others aint my problem.

[Benmage]

You act as if he is not lynched today, he'll have some magic fairy dust that causes us to forget about AB if he posts. That is high pressures sales tctic.

Actually that is pretty accurate. The more town we lose, the stronger scum voice become. Then the mindless sheep will be confounded looking at the magicians dangly shiny coins, and AB won't be lynched. Because he'll come in and "act towny" because wowzers its fucking Empire and Llamarable... so people will be swayed. And he will not be lynched. The longer we wait, the harder to lynch him it will become. TA can be lynched without batting an eye.

So yes.... it is more important to lynch AB today than TA is you find AB scummy.

Period.

You can't argue that. 2+2 still equals 4.

[Benmage]

Whose in here defending TA??? Noone.... has TA attempted to even defend herself? Nope... TA is a site troll and Faraday is a dumbass.

Whose defending AB???? TAMMY IS. One of the most universal strongest town reads in the game. WHOSE GOING TO FUCKING ARGUE WITH HER. None of these PUSSYs.. Why aren't more people hammering at AB?? Because his scum partners see no reason to bus. IS anyone rescuing TA?? OR COACHING him in the scumqt to wake the fuck up?? OR IS SHE STILL TROLLING THE SHIT OUT OF US. You all want to policy lynch onDay fucking 7 when you have one of the juicyiest more difficult scums to lynch dangling right in front of you. REACH out and grab it. For fucks sake... mindlessfucking-fucks.

Ya I wanted TA for like 4 days. But not today. Not when we can lynch a scumslot like AB.

[Benmage]

Alternative reasons suggests TA lived 6 days of trolling because scum saved that mislynchbait for later.

WHILE reasoning of AB being scum and the difficulty in which it will be to lynch him on future days is still sound.

Checkmate.

Go ahead, town only win 20% of large themes, and Faraday likes scum, so I don't even care. Run and lose! HOORAH!

[Benmage]

There's no 3rd wagon today. TA is high on my list because I want him dead asap. I do not want him anywhere near endgame. But you are 100% correct in that if we do not lynch AB today he will become virtually impossible to lynch on future days. Period.

And paranoia that people only recognize TA as scum 6 days into his useless shit when suddenly we want to lynch AB suggests that scum did save that for a mislynch.

[Benmage]

Ceph, What makes today different than 6 days ago for TA?

Where is the scum logic in trolling??

[Benmage]

Nothing. I've wanted to lynch it all of those days.

I'm not talking at you specifically.. I'm referring to the fact that after 6 days of the same shit... suddenly a TA lynch is cool... that doesn't raise an eyebrow for you?

If you're going to argue sucking is a towntell, kindly take a hike instead. I have seen Syryana play town and this is not it.

This is sidestepping my question, of where is the scum logic in what TA is doing...???

@Titus, pretty much samething. Yes we want TA lynched. But what do you think of TA lynch suddenly being viable D7... when TA's been doing the same dung for so long? No paranoia that he's mislynch bait whatsoever??? What do you think is the reasoning for TA's troll behavior?


*yawnnnn* this tangent is well beaten.

[Benmage]

These people need to vote: Alfred Borden, elleheathen, Shadoweh, The Alchemist, Tammy, Tierce

We're just wasting time.

[Benmage]

Twiddle Twiddle.

[Benmage]

*BRain hurts*

Naut.... isn't Tammy a town read of yours?

[Benmage]

It seems like an exercise in time wasting. I would imagine narrowing down the null/scum reads to be more fruitful.

[Benmage]

Tammy you and Nacho rock.
I'll be driving all day tomorrow but after that we'll see if I can out-obvtown Empire.
My powers of towniness range beyond adorable arrogance .

On voting behavior:
I hammer obvious-lynch-for-today wagons a lot. Think Yoloville.
Non-vote day was mostly a result of not reaching a joint let's lynch this person.

VOTE: Benmage

Wait wait wait.... this is your town read Tammy... and no comment here??

Wow...

Wow.

[Benmage]

Scum do not have other night kills.. Hello day 15? Come on....

[Benmage]

This ought to be good.

[Benmage]

at ta tah MC... let it unfold naturally.

Here,

*passes the popcorn*

[Benmage]

OMG

Do we get this lynch afterall?

VOTE: Kanye

Can you bullet for me why Kayne is scum.

(see you at the next prod)

[Benmage]

Faraday

don't think I didn't see that ninja post to steal the 5,000 spot!

Also I spoke to Faraday about having strong low number scum teams. As I'm against it because it makes scumhunting hard and demoralizes town with failure. So there's no way he balanced the scum team with non-consecutive shooting. KAY

[Benmage]

She had the seal of approval as of my last disappearance; I will want to check again though.

Re - Benmage:
Benmage has a strong scumgame.
I see a lot of hard to fake posts but no hard evidence for Benmage town. His bestest towntells are missing.
Benmage-scum makes things make more sense to me.

Benmage, if you're town in this game then tell me why.

[Benmage]

You guys's scumhunting blows.

And the games getting crazy with these claims. Scum are 100% manipulating something.

Now there's another neighbor in Garruk... and Shadoweh controled a 1 shot strong arm... Had to marry off 2 guys WHAT THE FUCK... why do people claim so vaguely.

1) Was the neighborhood from the start, or was someone a neighborizer?
2) What 2 males were married off?
3) Reasoning for the Katsuki shot..../Whats this nonsense about waiting to D5???

[Benmage]

*yawn*

unvote vote The Alchemist

(incomingselfhammer? )

[Benmage]

Ooba, as I alluded to I believe Alch with likely flip town at this juncture. But he's a thorn we cannot have endgame.

Sooooo.. with that said please lynch him.

[Benmage]

Unvote.

I'd rather the hammer be coordinated (i.e. be made by someone in town bloc than random) to be on the safer side.

How many gagillion hates need will be consumed endagme when the "bloc" has scum in it?

[Benmage]

^pedit hats...

And whats the hammer concern... damn ooba u bad at dis.

[Benmage]

Does anyone else find Benmage's behavior the last page curious? Especially his wagon swap?

Whats curious is the vague general question verse asking the source... What do you find curious about me voting the alchemist? What else on this page is "curious".

[Benmage]

Regarding the neighborhood, I was neighborized by Shadoweh night three. We had a 1-shot strongman kill that we had to separately agree to target. She told me how she came to neighborize us in pretty much the same way as here--including the detail that she couldn't marry Alfred n2 due to him being a non-human. Once again, Faraday's message to me was vague, so I thought that it was not one-shot. Regarding the Katsuki kill, we had been discussing it all through d4 and had actually submitted Agar. However, literally 2 hours before night deadline, Shadoweh had cold feet on the Agar kill and asked me to change. I relented. We've mostly just discussed reads & talked about video game music since, she's been a very good listener to my little conspiracies.

Do you have daytalk?

-So she tried to neighborize Alfred n2.. failed.
-Succeeded with you n3.. Did you both gain the 1 shot as a bonus to the neighborhood.. was it a caveat to her neighboring ability, i.e. did she know beforehand that the neighborhood would gain this shot?

[Benmage]

I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something from

Hammering

... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.

^pedit hats...

And whats the hammer concern... damn ooba u bad at dis.

Did you forget your own theory on why scum might be going after hammers?

My own "crazy" theory. Okay kid.

I'd like to see scum hammer after the scrutiny we've now put on hammers in thread .

[Benmage]

When the day started, I thought it might be {elle, TA, Garruk with Tierce as a paranoid possibility} scumteam. elle's playing like town - so is Garruk. Right now I'd say it has to be some combination of {you, Benmage, Ceph}. All three of you have shown some combination of fear that the PoE thing is working out for town
- You keep pushing Titus who is town
- Ben kept pushing Alfred at the start of the day since he knows Alfred is a harder mislynch than TA - the hammer sentiment will subside in time. As soon as I change lynches to you, he thinks TA is town but we should still him because he's a thorn?
- Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)

Its a little baffling you can waffle your entire scum teams on D7.. a testament to your abilities at this game.

-I've been talking about my paranoia regarding Alch long before anything you did, and switched my vote before you did. Soooo fix your chronology.

Check this one out:

unvote vote kkb

[Benmage]

Damnit ooba you ninja'd me!

[Benmage]

Also nothings changed with my opinion on TA... he needs to die sooner than later.

[Benmage]

@Garruk

Does anyone else find Benmage's behavior the last page curious? Especially his wagon swap?

Whats curious is the vague general question verse asking the source... What do you find curious about me voting the alchemist? What else on this page is "curious".

[Benmage]

I'm full, and there's butter all over my fingers.

[Benmage]

I'm Benmage and I've already answered the question you seek.... Surely, you know this.

[Benmage]

(I'm Benmage) Hence: There's a reason for everything I do. If I don't divulge said reasoning at a given time.... I have reasoning for that.... helllloooo

[Benmage]

I am so fucking glad Tammy is dead.

vote Garruk

****btw I tracked Garruk to the kill.... So get 'r done.

[Benmage]

So in your mind I'm scum sacrificing a 1v1... glad you capitulated.

[Benmage]

Meaning what? Ooba is scum? Or ooba is town who fakeclaimed... Sooo I'll be scum and fakeclaim a guilty on the terrifying Garruk??? I was in no way threatened to be lynched today.. so wheres the logic?

(fyi thankx for telling me oobas town)

[Benmage]

(inb4tiercethescumpartnerdoesntvotegarruk)

[Benmage]

(inb4tiercethescumpartnerlurkstoseepopularopinionregardingmevgarruk) i.e if your town wait for Tiercy to post.

[Benmage]

You'll notice the silence. Its scum shitting themselves.

[Benmage]

This aint a gambit.

[Benmage]

There's not much worth adding to what I can do.

[Benmage]

Im not a standard tracker if it helps.

[Benmage]

And I'm saying if you think I'm scum, you cannot think Alchemist is scum because he's a ninja.

Mmmm who thinks Alchs a ninja?
-Maybe whoever does could think he's an X-shot ninja?

@Shadoweh: not a gunsmith

[Benmage]

It was obvious ooba fakeclaimed.

It was a moronic speedhammer yesterday.

[Benmage]

Day cop on D6... that he uses on his main target whose wagon is waivering a bit...

and kkbs reaction.

[Benmage]

Day cop on D6... that he uses on his main target whose wagon is waivering a bit...

and kkbs reaction.

Using that standard, your wagon looks suspect solely due to the time.

You think the wagons gained too much speed? I don't... this aint a midday make-up fakeclaim. This is an open and shut case of caught scum.

Usually these days can last mere hours.... I don't care if people want to flesh it out. I'm in no rush.

Garruk can AtE and give up some partners.

[Benmage]

Benmage, No. I thought you claimed (if I didn't misinterpret) that the claim was specious due to it being Day 6 and hadn't been used. Yours seems to mirror that.

He claimed 1 shot day cop .. who the fuck saves a 1 SHOT DAY COP!!!!(till d6 lol)... my role is nothing of the sort.

[Benmage]

^I won't say I told you so.

[Benmage]

We waiting on alfred and elle to weigh in correct?

Anything else need to go over for the day?

[Benmage]

Uhm what Tierce... where have I not pushed this? The threads been absent.... I called it an open and shut case. I called oobas a fakeclaim. I waited on alfred and elle to return to thread, only cause yesterday was rushed. This aint a fakeclaim.

So I've fucking fakeclaimed in the past... I've also been plenty of powerroles... So stop being a retard.

[Benmage]

Fine. I believe Ooba.

Benmage + Nacho is sufficient.
I'd normally hammer about now (Garruk is still hated, yes?) but somebody else can.

What are you doing... its L-3.. You can vote now. You should not hammer.

[Benmage]

Oh, by the by--I am not voting Garruk.

Benmage, fakeclaims, etc. It's always happening, they never lead anywhere.

I don't have scumreads. Yay!

VOTE: Cephrir

You are continuously useless anti-town.

[Benmage]

I'm not suposed to have to do anything if Nacho, Tierce and Llamarble town are alive, I should be able to literally sleep for a month and wake up to a town victory. Yet this isn't happening, but you're all still totally townie obvtown right?

You're voting Llamarable, and calling him town

Maybe instead of the qt, you can post here too.

Who are your 3 top scum reads?

[Benmage]

Oh so 1 more vote and garruk dies?


well on witht he show

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[Benmage]

I'm hammering 24 hours tonight.

I don't know how much credence to lend to Benmage's theory but I'd rather you not hammer two days in a row.

All things considered, ooba you should hammer.

[Benmage]

oo-to-the-ba.. you're the best candidate tooo:

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[Benmage]

Why even entertain the scum speculation.

I want to shove this in Tierces face.

[Benmage]

Lol, cause claiming my rolename means anything...

zzzzzzzz

die please.

[Benmage]

^SO he's not hammered??

zzzzzzzzzzzz

can we get some more votes please.

[Benmage]

*Yawn* you can claim while you're panties are in a bunch.

Im not claiming.

[Benmage]

Congratulations you stuck to word, regardless of how idiotic it was to do so.

And you dont want to claim your 180, why?

[Benmage]

Well ceph, you should probably stop voting the mod confirmed town (ohgodIcan'twaitforthisone)

And either claim what you got.

Or go back to voting scum.

Cause newsflash your vagueness isn't some awesomeness that will win the game if you alone know it.

So congrats.

[Benmage]

You can't be a full tracker. It's that simple. Nor a full whatever variant you claim; that is not the issue.

Ive said a gagillion times... Im not a standard tracker. The full what? I don't get what you're hinting at.

And since Im modconfirmed town you should just explain, stop wasting time, and go back to voting scum.

[Benmage]

My scum games perfect. Read any scum game of mine with the QT... my fakeclaims are one of the first things I make. And They're perfect. SoooOoOOo, like I said, I'm modconfirmed town.

[Benmage]

Why so cagey about claiming, Benmage? Gotta coordinate your claim with your scumbuddies?

Plus this mod gives fakeclaims.

So

Gotta do what you gotta as scum, aye. Lucky for you this town is failhard. Maybe they'll wakeup and go tryhard. But I doubt it. Scum always win Faraday games.... just sit there and keep twiddlign Garruk. You're doing great.

[Benmage]

My scum games perfect. Read any scum game of mine with the QT... my fakeclaims are one of the first things I make. And They're perfect. SoooOoOOo, like I said, I'm modconfirmed town.

wow such ironclad argument

Agreed.

[Benmage]

Magua replaces elleheathen. Thank you!

Wow - that's pretty nice replacing into a huge game. Thanks and welcome!

My scum games perfect. Read any scum game of mine with the QT... my fakeclaims are one of the first things I make. And They're perfect. SoooOoOOo, like I said, I'm modconfirmed town.

I feel like you're waiting for someone to ask "Why are you modconfirmed town?" so I'll do it.. Why are you modconfirmed town?

Sure... I'm sure whatever Ceph has is a waste of time. zzzz

Why aren't we lynching Garruk...

Here is the scenario:
A) I'm town with a guilty.
B) I'm town fakeclaiming. (As I think tierce believes)
or
C) I'm scum faking a guilty (on we'll say town, and not some sort of bus guilty.. that would be real odd at this game stage)

That said. I'm Benmage. And I love personal meta. It was I who only ever selfvoted as Town for years as an ingame way of essential modconfirming myself as town. Sure in any scum game I could've selfvote and so I felt I wasn't truly cheating.. even when I claimed I'd only do this 100% as town, and truly believed so. In reoccurring MD-threads I concluded that this was too close to cheating. (even with the out of potentially doing it as scum, cause well... I never would have)... SO I openly ended this as a trend for myself in said MD-thread. I than selfvote as scum the one of Faradays game The Wire. You can get a glimpse of this in the postgame chat.

Back to this game, and me being Benmage... and the scenario at hand.

-My scum game is perfect.
-*****I have never fakeclaimed as scum.
--WHy would I put such a reddot bullseye on myself for such minimal gain. Like wahhhh?? This isn't the same as the self-vote tell.. but still prevalent meta only because I've only fakeclaimed as town. Sure I could fakeclaim as scum, but why would I?? The gain is minimal.... and my scum game is perfect.

So we can see in this scenario:

If you don't believe:
A) I'm town with a guilty.
you can only believe
B) I'm town fakeclaiming
because in no world could
C) I'm scum fakeclaiming
ever exist.

To conclude:
I'm modconfirmed town.

***Which also means if you think B.... and not A for god knows why. The most logical vote is Tierce who "knew it to be fake".

[Benmage]

Magua,

try not to let your personal feelings drag this game down any further.

You still here got a quick question for ya.

--ANd

@all

vote the confirmed scum Garruk please.

[Benmage]

Out of curiosity... why's it "ex" hated?

[Benmage]

C) I'm scum faking a guilty (on we'll say town, and not some sort of bus guilty.. that would be real odd at this game stage)

Benmage, your analysis ignores two scum teams..

no shit

[Benmage]

zzzzz modconfirmed would mean like an innocent child where the mod literally confirms.

No fucking shit Im using it to emphasis my status, and don't mean it literally.

[Benmage]

If it helps Ceph, I've done no other actions... so you mustve tracked me nowhere.

[Benmage]

Magua, Ceph did not track me last night.

That was an earlier night. I claimed I wasn't a standard tracker. That was his issue.

We can all go back to obvCAUGHTscumGarruk

[Benmage]

Ceph I claimed this pretty quickly after my original statement...

Im not a standard tracker if it helps.

[Benmage]

My resistance to full claim is because it only benefits scum...

As there is no logical reason for this to be scumplay.

So there's no point in a full claim. Duh.

[Benmage]

And for Ceph/All

If i claimed I did no previous actions. He could have tracked me any night.

Everyone clearly has power. So again, the only continual logic would be me being scum holding onto my powers... Which seems to me atleast an odd strategy for scum.

[Benmage]

^Err.. whereas town reason for withholding is to increase success rate. obv.

[Benmage]

Magua, for personal desire. Can you claim what Faraday shared with you inregards to your predecessor. If it helps, I've been reading your slot town for a while.

Also, you can hammer vote Garruk, as there's a mini-theory of mine that scum could gain something via hammers. *Beginning with SpryeX requesting hammers. Continued by other obvscum Alfred hammer twice including a quickhammer.

[Benmage]

Magua, for personal desire. Can you claim what Faraday shared with you inregards to your predecessor. If it helps, I've been reading your slot town for a while.

See no benefit in doing this at this time.

Also: may vote Garruk. Not voting him now. I want way more people to tell me what I should be doing first.

Your predecessor full claimed in thread, hence my open request.

(incomingfun,staytuned)

[Benmage]

Benmage: Benmage, you're a scary genius.
Benmage: No Benmage, you're a scary genius.
Benmage: Yeah that is true.
Benmage: Mmmhmmm.

So time for our crazy firechat session with Benmage!

The topic: HAMMER CHARGERS

So as I previously theorized scum could gain something via hammers. Well what if that *gain* is a NK!
-We all have powers. So scum team is A) Decently sized. B) With power. So to balance... Faraday thought of a creative night kill mechanism????
-No kill N1, why? Cause PnJ hammered.
-Kill N2? YEP... why? Cause SpyreX hammered.
-D3.. Tierce hammer, no charge.
-D4.. Goat on a Raft, no charge.
-D5 Alfred hammer. Incoming charge theory, no kill.
-D6 Alfred (although still a wrong VC with Alfred missing at end)
-N6 Kill.. Yep charge used
-D7 Titus hammer, so town, no charge.. but scum still have a charge.
-N7 You know it. Charge used NK.

And that concludes todays fireside chat with me.

[Benmage]

^Magua this is why I want you to hammer.. even if its crazy.

Let someone like Alfred vote next.

[Benmage]

Dude, I could be a gagillion things and Im not fullclaiming.

I've been pretty upfront with what I am/willing to claim.

I opened with the result. Quickly said I wasn't standard. Dismissed ooba as obviously fake. Haven't wavered in my read. Knew whatever you had was nonsense before you full claimed what you "had" on me. Claimed I've done no other night actions... (obviously scum have powers, So I've used none, and haven't done a NK... strange, no?) Whereas town saving abilities only heightens accuracy. We also go back to it making zero sense to be scum fakeclaiming at this juncture, but I digress.

Again what/if I got left could be a plethora of things,

and it only benefits scum.

[Benmage]

Hi Magau, echo the sentiment for you to reveal your info.

I liked that Magua posted inthread quickly after replacing. (I'd have read my scumqt)

I don't like that he resisted my request/is now a little mia... the paranoia alarms start going off.

[Benmage]

Hammer the troll.

[Benmage]

Presume it's because he's busy isoing her now.

Thats what concerns me... trying to match up for consistency???.. verse just claiming... Unless he thinks I'm uber-fishing which I'm sure someone else would have gone ZOMG dont listen to benmage... right?

[Benmage]

Yes... you've been permanently roleblocking Tierce.

[Benmage]

I've got to go.

The Hand speaks with the King's voice:

The hammer vote belongs to Magua.

When I return it better be night with the blood of Garruk.

[Benmage]

Wowwwwwwww FIRESIDE CHAT ftw

Hey Ceph,

Agar didn't claim N5 result D6.. in fact Alfred rushed the day so that he didnt even get to post!!!!!!
-Agar could have blocked the kill that night. Hence Alfreds need to rush the day.
-My townread on Titus could be wrong. But I'd obviously like to test thru Alfreds lynching.

Back to Alfred scum. Hammering before an outted PR reveals result on a night without a kill. Does that sound like town llamarable or Empire? Or (as there was significant pressure his way)... Sound like scum half suiciding for their team. MMMhhmmmm.

[Benmage]

Uhh?? what? Magua's one of the better town reads I've been espousing.

[Benmage]

Yeah. Mafia players are like goldfish. They forget important things rather quickly. And with the unfortunate ooba tunnelage/incident on kkb.. I don't want people to forget the pressure Alfred was under, and the peculiarity of their actions.

[Benmage]

Why was Elle so solid town, Ben?

Mainly the genuine-

ness

(why is ingenuity a word but not genuity) of her initial claim.

Then the...Kill me before Tierce or however she worded it. Totes town.

[Benmage]

Yes, AGar had previously claimed night actions.. Obviously, how else do I/everyone know/accept he's a rb..

Naut made D6 a 1v1 between himself and Goat. Alfred hammered before Agar could even post that night to reveal who he blocked N5 (when there was no kill)
-Agar.. dunt dunt dunt... died N6.

I'm rehashing it for the ooba/kkb incident to not be forgotten.

[Benmage]

@ALfred

why do you call Garruk scum, but don't vote him?

[Benmage]

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

[Benmage]

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

Yeah because it doesn't make any setup sense AT ALL to remove certain stuff after a certain point in the game. BBmolla was bulletproof until N4 in ADwD, iirc. So stop spewing piss-poor justifications that have nothing to do with their alignment.

My point that scum probably lied about their role...



Every Game scum lie about their roles.

Yeeesh all you do is underminde obvious town and flail around with no reads.

WTF ARE YOU BEING SO USELESSS... Yeesh just go back to lurking.

[Benmage]

I'm not going to just ignore hard claimed hard guilties unless the target is a STRONG townread or the claimer is OBVIOUSLY lying.

It's BENMAGE. What more proof do you need that he's lying? Benmage pulls this shit all the time and your absent hydra partner would be yelling at you about it!

When was the last time I fakeclaimed.

[Benmage]

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

What scum motivation could I have for lying about being Hated? Anyways, after four phases(day/night separate), the first tick was removed. After seven phases(yes, so it actually ended night four w/e) it was fully removed. Seven phases for seven gods and all that jazz.

Scum add various things that look creative just for town to go

oooh ahh shiny object

at.... I'm not swearing this is what happened, but its certainly plausible.... Whether you were hated or not, matters little that you're scum.

[Benmage]

Yeah, I'm gonna go with Benmage is lying. I don't even know what a tracker variant is, and the claim is far too convenient. I'm getting really sick of fake investigative roles, like REALLY sick.

That doesn't make Garruk town though. They are probably not scumbuddies but I'll be stunned if we don't find a scum between them. I have liked some of Garruk's reactions today but I don't know if it's sufficient to make up for the whole game for me.

In conclusion, bleh.

What makes it fake?

If I was an X-shot tracker... Claiming tracker variant makes sense.
If i was a JoAT with a tracker ability... Claiming tracker variant makes sense.
And a gagillion more.....

I just don't even care anymore.

This game can keep

flail

failing.

[Benmage]

How else did I know Cephs info beforehand wasn't changing my result... like realy...zzzzzz

[Benmage]

Yeah..and wait for Tierce to comeback with a no reply... Because its been at least over a year....Meanwhile I've landed plenty of powerroles...SooOoOooo

And I opened today claiming... not bumblefucking pulled it out my ass the way ooba did.

yawn

[Benmage]

I'm not a full tracker.

I can do something else too, but it's borderline worthless.

Maybe your mentality is different than mine.

But what is the point in telling scum, YOU ARENT A THREAT... I mean why spew this excess information... Thats why I dont get you. I've been open, yet purposely vague to keep scum guessing... its fucking 1-0-1.

[Benmage]

Uhhhhh Ceph, in this whole ordeal.... you think I'm scum?

[Benmage]

ugh

I can't wait to fullclaim!

[Benmage]

Intent to hammer. Anyone want to get anything else out of this phase?

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[Benmage]

Ahem,

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icumagua

[Benmage]

Naut if I unvote will you vote so I can hammer?

[Benmage]

vote Alfred

See TT... you couldn't read the E...

[Benmage]

This is a PM I sent to Faraday.

I fakeclaimed because this town fucking sucks. Tierce and Tammy with their your town your town back n forths, and then do nothing approach is simply infuriating. And yes we have Alchemist... and noone mentioning that Llamarable and Empire are playing a god awful game. I faked on the wrong hydra because I gave more credence to those two TT... and I shouldn't of.

Here's a PM I sent to Faraday. This is a Large fucking theme'd game... and there's no point to tryhard as town. I've done it.. but other dumbassfucking town ruin it, and before you get on your high fucking horse about a fakeclaim, GO LOOK in a fucking mirror and comeback and realize you have no fucking clue who the scum are anyways. WHAT?? 225 pages isn't enough to know reads... you want to talk about it... Yeah, let the larger number of scum mindfuck you some more. Its 225 Tammy spent her last day not voting and Tierce was a bouncing bafoon yesterday. SO fuck all of you who think you know better.... Go ahead then... Lynch the remaining scum. Fucking retards.

Here's what I wrote after ooba misfire on kkb.:

You balance for this fake guilty? I mean come on.... Remember when I faked a guilty on you... you gotta know when to fold em. Ooba kept it going too long... alfred and naut essentially quicklynching....

Are we not supposed to lynch ooba tomorrow? HE SAID HE DOESN"T GAMBIT AS TOWN ... We lynched ludi.... meta-wise we have to.

You gotta be kidding me.

I don't know why I care... there's no point to caring. Town win large theme's 20% of the time... whats the point besides twiddling...

The average player fucking blows. Period.

Of course these claims aren't adding up. You've done a shitton of behind the scenes activity, so the average joe-shmo townie is simply left in the dark. The townies withholding their own information think they're better than they are, that everyone reads them as town, and that their secret information is so vital they alone must maintain the details.... Which allows what? Scum to also claim half assed secret role information. Like Tammy/Syranna marriage--Garruk/Shadoweh neighbor+strongarmvig(WTF)--Cephrir/kkb one way note...Why did you put a Miller in this game? Put a Jester in next time.

How many hours should I invest looking for a discepency in these claims?? When scum have all the inside information play the game like a puppet show.

Town lose more often.
Individual town have way less control of the outcome of a game.
Town need to work harder in any given game... profit? Nope... Where's the incentive?
-No wonder the site is plagued with non-nonchalant trolls... There's no point to being town anymore. Scum should be getting demolished. Make scum hard. Make scum win% 20%. Show some real skill. Nope. Not here. You know its easy as fuck to play as scum.

Why do you hate town so much....

Why is it so hard to balance a fucking large theme... I don't get it... When town wins, its usually cause scum went out of their way to drop the ball.

And decent scummer can sit around and let town fuckit up.

[Benmage]

Followed by this:

Osmosis the mafia into killing me. I want out.

Plus tomorrow... Guess who watched Garruk perform the NK.

This guy.

Fuck this sitting around lamb shit. Why do I fakeclaim? Cause the game is mindless sheep.

Like I said... it should've been on Alfred.

[Benmage]

@Benmage: Do you ever plan on not being a complete douchecanoe? Srs question. It's like you're a living trust-tell-in-reverse-who-sabotages-games-as-town-to-get-off-easy-as-scum, and you're proud of it, so kindly explain what the hell your thought process[1] was, kthx.

Go fuckyouself. Join some more games... don't read them.. Blame other. We're proud of you.

[Benmage]

- Benmage on the other hand - gets a clear mislynch - because he can always hide behind his stupid meta and he\his scum partners can claim "let's go after ooba first"

Scumbenmage wouldn't make this pointless risk.. I was under no spotlight.

[Benmage]

Benmage, who are the 4 scum?

Aflred. 2.3.4.

[Benmage]

It isn't:
Ooba
Magua
Titus
Cephir
Benmage

It is:
Alfred

And it could be:
Everyone else.

See why I faked? The % was pretty decent... But I again, I second guess myself foolishly with TT.


Anywhose... ya'all can take the easy way out today, bitch at me... blame me for the loss.. Or put on your big boy pants, and lynch obvscum Alfred.

[Benmage]

Why are none of you mentioning Alfred?

[Benmage]

Why are none of you mentioning Alfred?

I did. Why aren't you reading? AB is Alfred.

Oh right... I'm not reading cause I'm scum skimming.. Obviously.

[Benmage]

Give me people for 2.3.4.

Give me 1-4.

[Benmage]

Dear Faraday

Ooba thinks the game is still 2 scum teams.

Did you balance for that?

[Benmage]

And if you're "boohoo no two scum teams. that's shit" - then give me names for Alfred + 3 remaing Chaos scum that make sense to you.

So your out.. is something noone can do.. Awesome.

You can lynch me now.

unvote vote Benmage

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Benmage]

Dear Faraday

Ooba thinks the game is still 2 scum teams.

Did you balance for that?

There's nothing to say it's not a odd one team-even one team night killing scum teams.

At least, I'm thinking about the game in the right terms. We have 11 people and 4 scum. That's 2 mislynches if it's just Chaos. Alfred + 3 people isn't going to cut dice - you give reads now as complete teams - who are the other three scum partners.

I'll bite. Give me the reads without their being 2 scum teams, and I will too.

Since newsflash... THERE ARE NOT 2 SCUM TEAMS.

[Benmage]

And if you're "boohoo no two scum teams. that's shit" - then give me names for Alfred + 3 remaing Chaos scum that make sense to you.

So your out.. is something noone can do.. Awesome.

You can lynch me now.

unvote vote Benmage

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Please stop playing against your wincon. Town or scum, you are not doing that.

If my lynch is inevitable.... stalling is scum motivated.

[Benmage]

Dear Faraday

Ooba thinks the game is still 2 scum teams.

Did you balance for that?

There's nothing to say it's not a odd one team-even one team night killing scum teams.

At least, I'm thinking about the game in the right terms. We have 11 people and 4 scum. That's 2 mislynches if it's just Chaos. Alfred + 3 people isn't going to cut dice - you give reads now as complete teams - who are the other three scum partners.

Get out of moonlogic. No night had multiple kilks. No flips of this second team. Just stop please.

The only way to balance Large theme games with multi-scum is via cross kills.. If there aren't any, A) town loses... but really B)its 1 scumteam.

[Benmage]

Magua, did you get your permablock back?

Oh good 1.

[Benmage]

BM, shut up. I am trying to plan with the town a surefire road to victory.

I wasnt being a dick with the Magua comment... that said you're 'surefire road to victory' comment... well..

[Benmage]

^SD/Shadoweh aren't both town.

[Benmage]

whatever

unvote vote the Alchemist

[Benmage]

Naut

riddle me this. In what game could a town llamarable/empire hydra be alive Day 9?

Riddle?

Tierce a threat? Doing nothing? Tammy a threat? Doing nothing... Oh right.. cause llamarable empire is scum. Period. Riddle riddle.

[Benmage]

Naut riddle me this. In what game could a town llamarable/empire hydra be alive Day 9?

In a game where scumteam misses 4 kills, I can see Empire/Llamarble being alive pretty late into the game.

Over Tammy who spent her last day voteless... Over Tierce who spent her last day going la-la-la I have no scum reads....like holy shit... WAKE THE FUCK UP.