A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Garruk Relentless]

Achievement Unlocked--use the word otherwise too many times in a post.

[Garruk Relentless]

Yeah, we pay someone off to work doubletime.

[Garruk Relentless]

@Titus: Okay. Thanks.
@PnJ: K. 1v1 SF Mid no runes no crow?
@Tierce: Alfred's been worrying me as well. They pop in every once in a while to make some meta post then go back to lurking.

[Garruk Relentless]

VOTE: Goats

Fuck you nacho for letting Alfred and kanye live.

[Garruk Relentless]

huh am i trying to bus alfred too? geeze somebody stiop me i cant stop bussing

You're an SK with three to five partners.

[Garruk Relentless]

So um. Can we agree yesterday was super dumb?

VOTE: Alfred Borden

[Garruk Relentless]

Heh, me and Messiah are on the same wavelength for once.

[Garruk Relentless]

Nat-head VLA from Tuesday-Sunday

[Garruk Relentless]

Rabble rabble my hydra partner can't even do the one job I asked him to.

Still vla still getting to this Sunday.

[Garruk Relentless]

Garruk is interesting for a reason similar to Goat. Not the one from last line.
Garruk What were all your whores go results?

Hito: the moon.
Mina: brothel
Faraday: in front of our nose
Nexus: No response.

PS: Rabble rabble this post should have been here yesterday.

-SSK

[Garruk Relentless]

AB, that theory literally sucks to clear GR. Someone wouldn't logically assume that if an action was doubled due to motivation, that means the person didn't kill. Scum would be moronic to have the doubled person kill (unless they killed the same target twice to avoid a bulletproof scenario). It would be like sticking an enormous lynch me sign on the buddies back. (I'm supposing Faraday doesn't do something wierd like dictate who has to kill at the start of the night).

Can someone parse this in non-Titusese?

[Garruk Relentless]

Quick question that has been lingering: why did you defend me from Tammy?

Also, obvious fact: scum don't attempt to kill and Motivate Town for Towncred on the same Night.

That was a mistake. We misread our role PM and thought that our motivate also motivated the mafia nightkill, but on second glance I realized that I have severe reading comprehension problems(ie it doesn't). I didn't come forward to clarify things afterwards because we were still convinced you were town, so it changed into a mini-gambit of sorts.

tl;dr: I'm a complete dolt.

This action is where GR suggests that he thought his motivator motivated the scum kill.

And for what it's worth I believe we cleared this up with the mod late D2 or early D3.

-SSK

PEdit: No, we never motivated you, Tammy.

[Garruk Relentless]

OMG

Do we get this lynch afterall?

VOTE: Kanye

[Garruk Relentless]

Can you bullet for me why Kayne is scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5452691
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5453016

[Garruk Relentless]

So, um, does anyone actually wanna do anything?

[Garruk Relentless]

Although, thought: What if Shadoweh's vig shot had a restriction on when she could shoot, hence holding onto it for so long?

I'm interested in hearing where you're going with this.

[Garruk Relentless]

Down a rabbit hole, probably.

I mean, the answer is pretty obvious by the context clues she's left in the thread.

[Garruk Relentless]

Down a rabbit hole, probably.

I mean, the answer is pretty obvious by the context clues she's left in the thread.

At least, I see a very obvious restriction on her vig power.

[Garruk Relentless]

Then tell me the restriction.

But, that's no fun.

[Garruk Relentless]

The marriage thing? Because if that's it I don't care much.

That's what I was thinking yeah.

[Garruk Relentless]

if tierce was shot N1, then Garruk isn't scum
in which case wtf is the scumteam

Well I'm fucking not scum, Nacho, and I legit don't know how to prove this to you anymore than I have(well, no, I still have one trick).

[Garruk Relentless]

if tierce was shot N1, then Garruk isn't scum
in which case wtf is the scumteam

Well I'm fucking not scum, Nacho, and I legit don't know how to prove this to you anymore than I have(well, no, I still have one trick).

I've been dealing with this shit from day one and I'm at wit's end.

[Garruk Relentless]

Didn't SafetyDance roleblock quadz n3? Or do I still have the order messed up.

[Garruk Relentless]

aka I see why kanye is bothered with me scumreading him because he has done plenty of things this game and has been my bro. but you, Garruk? do you really think that you've been doing things that should put you in the strong town pile?

Strong town? No. I don't think I have a game on site where I was ever strong town. However, I think having me down as the third most scummy player is troublesome considering all that's happened.

[Garruk Relentless]

considering "all that's happened". tell me all that's happened.

Well for one, in this theory, as scum, I supposedly burned my motivates on you and Tierce, which makes no fucking sense at all.

[Garruk Relentless]

For the record and I'm just going to say fuck it at this point, but Shadoweh's my neighbor and she's 100% confirmed town(or if we're expecting some sort of third party, not-mafia) in my eyes because her kill only activated upon neighborize. Faraday fucked up and didn't tell me that it was one-shot until after the fact or I would have pushed harder for an Agar or kanye kill. She had no reason to wait that long to neighborize as scum since it took she clearly had two males to marry off at any point, and it involves her wanting to burn a 1-shot strongman on

Katsuki

. Over the claimed roleblocker, that I was pushing

hard

in our QT for or anyone else, because I told her I'd default to anyone she chose.

So you're list is actually quite short.

Benmage
elleheathen
kanyeknowsbest
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)
The Alchemist

PEDIT: For fuck's sake. I sent it in night five. Lemme check with Faraday.

[Garruk Relentless]

I'd wager my soul on Messiah being town as well, which conveniently leaves four names.

[Garruk Relentless]

K I just clarified. My motivate was counted, which means I was roleblocked.

[Garruk Relentless]

For the record, I don't believe in multiball either. I don't see how two three man teams with restricted kills with this role madness can exist.

[Garruk Relentless]

Does anyone else find Benmage's behavior the last page curious? Especially his wagon swap?

@Tierce: That was in response to your post a few before, where you asked "forever?". I wasn't exactly sure what you were alluding to at the time, but I figured you thought our motivate lasted more than one night or something dumb. Now i know you were talking about the vanillaize.

Regarding the neighborhood, I was neighborized by Shadoweh night three. We had a 1-shot strongman kill that we had to separately agree to target. She told me how she came to neighborize us in pretty much the same way as here--including the detail that she couldn't marry Alfred n2 due to him being a non-human. Once again, Faraday's message to me was vague, so I thought that it was not one-shot. Regarding the Katsuki kill, we had been discussing it all through d4 and had actually submitted Agar. However, literally 2 hours before night deadline, Shadoweh had cold feet on the Agar kill and asked me to change. I relented. We've mostly just discussed reads & talked about video game music since, she's been a very good listener to my little conspiracies.

[Garruk Relentless]

Do you have daytalk?

-So she tried to neighborize Alfred n2.. failed.
-Succeeded with you n3.. Did you both gain the 1 shot as a bonus to the neighborhood.. was it a caveat to her neighboring ability, i.e. did she know beforehand that the neighborhood would gain this shot?

Yes on all accounts. I'm not sure if she knew about the vig power of the neighborhood prior, but I assume so.

[Garruk Relentless]

[X-Shots are consumed when roleblocked? Is that typical Faraday fare?
Also, I get paranoid when people are like "let me ask a question of the mod" then get a response in like 3 minutes. Why didn't you claim you motivated me before? Why didn't you look for confirmation on that before?

I'm asking about the charges. At the very least, I was uninformed that I had any charges left.

I didn't claim targeting you yesterday because it didn't seem relevant? I'd already said I was using my skill that night. Plus that whole "Nacho gladiated Goats" thing.

If I'm out of charges, I suspect I was redirected onto motivating scum...

[Garruk Relentless]

I do not have any motivate charges left. If roleblocks don't deplete charges, then I was likely redirected.

[Garruk Relentless]

i don't know who is gonna replace you

Let the hairy wolfman do it!

[Garruk Relentless]

I'm going on record to say that was fucking stupid.

I agree this whole exchange has been sketch as all hell though.

[Garruk Relentless]

At Tammy dying?

-SSK

[Garruk Relentless]

I have this strange theory that Nacho is setting me up for a mislynch by saying I didn't motivate him. It would explain his ignoring me to reach out too. I just can't understand my bamboozlement. Also, shadoweh and I still think Marble is scumscumscum.

[Garruk Relentless]

We actually think ooba came out the least bad out of yesterday.

[Garruk Relentless]

VOTE: Benmage

That makes my vote easy. I did no such thing.

[Garruk Relentless]

So in your mind I'm scum sacrificing a 1v1... glad you capitulated.

Yes, you initiated this 1v1 as scum. Probably going to bank on the town not wanting to kill ooba right now for doing the same thing yesterday.

[Garruk Relentless]

You know, I don't even have the heart to deal with this chucklefuck.

I don't know what ooba was doing, I don't know what you are doing. There is some shitty fucking scumgambit stuff going on here. I assume you're doing this and preying on the town apathy that oozes throughout the last few days.

I will reiterate our night actions.

Night one we motivated Tierce.
Night Four we killed Katsuki.
Night five we motivated Nautillus.

[Garruk Relentless]

You'll notice the silence. Its scum shitting themselves.

Very sorry I'm at work you jackass. Silence for five minutes is hardly a silence.

[Garruk Relentless]

So that's a scumclaim as well, Nautillus?

[Garruk Relentless]

I actually wouldn't find AGar roleblocking me too suspect, though.

[Garruk Relentless]

What?

[Garruk Relentless]

Cephrir, listen to me, I've been set up to the highest degree here. I'm legit not scum.

[Garruk Relentless]

Let's see here. On the one hand we have an investigative role claiming a guilty on you, who have been scummy all game and who I've wanted to lynch for most of the game. Said investigative role seems to have no motivation to do this if scum, and neither of you is in the townblock. You are not claiming to have targeted the kill. You also claim Nacho, the towniest player in the game if we temporarily exclude ooba because reasons, is trying to help engineer a mislynch, in not lylo.

Nope!

pedit: what

What happened to both being trusted enough to be neighbourized and motivating Tierce? Do those not count for anything anymore? Or do our scummy posts just outweigh everything?

How's the townblock made? That's right a bunch of opinions. That's what we should base everything off of. Yup.

We have no action that could target the kill. We have fully claimed.

Nat's theory on the engineered mislynch was for a later day, scum would try and mislynch us and use that as a reason.

If he was motivating you he wouldn't be killing anyone, Nautcho.
Reacting by shouting that everyone else is scumclaiming is pretty bad though. I mean, considering what happened yesterday your reaction shouldn't be like that.

Shadoweh, you know Nat's reactive. He gets pissed when people think of him as scum for bs reasons.

-SSK

[Garruk Relentless]

Thanks SSK. I'm stepping back for a moment. I don't deal very well under pressure as either alignment, especially when I've dealt my whole hand.

But like seriously, we should have both ooba and Benmage full claim at this point.

[Garruk Relentless]

I hate this. I hate how town is just playing follow the cop or in this case, the fake tracker. We're going to get lynched. We're going to die when we've done nothing wrong. When we're town. Ugh.

-SSK

[Garruk Relentless]

I hate this. I hate how town is just playing follow the cop or in this case, the fake tracker. We're going to get lynched. We're going to die when we've done nothing wrong. When we're town. Ugh.

-SSK

are you fucking kidding me

- Des

You guys have had it out for us all of the game. This is just a nice excuse for you guys to finally be able to actually justify a vote on us.

-SSK

[Garruk Relentless]

I hope you win this game, Messiah. If the game isn't over and you're not scum, please take a full look,

Naut, why would I both motivate and kill that night? Surely you must have enough respect for me to know I wouldn't fuck something so trivial up. Especially if we have a fucking NINJA as you all seem to think? Why would I ever commit the kill. It literally makes no sense.

[Garruk Relentless]

Cephrir, do you think Alchemist is scum? If so, how do you reconcile that? Or is the whole scum team just dumb and send one of their most suspected players to commit the nightkill?

[Garruk Relentless]

Yesterday was a fucking guilty.

And I'm saying if you think I'm scum, you cannot think Alchemist is scum because he's a ninja. I would never commit the night kill if we have a fucking ninja on our team, which really is something people need to concider in this whole thing and really goes to show that Benmage's claim is full of shit.

[Garruk Relentless]

Prod dodge I guess? I'm here finally if someone wants to talk.

[Garruk Relentless]

Don't think I didn't see that, Borden.

[Garruk Relentless]

You do realize Garruk is flipping scum, correct?

Nacho, here's the thing.

Why are you not even considering the opposite result? You haven't at all all game. And, quite frankly, you're performance the last three days has been

awful

. You vote whatever way the wind blows.What are you gonna say when I flip town? Moreover, you've played as me as scum in this exact position before--does this seriously look like scum-me? And why are you voting with a faked guilty

again

if you seriously thought that? You realize that Benmage's primary contribution to this game was

getting the miller lynched

, right? In short, if you're town, Nacho, fuck you. I expected Cephrir and MC to buy into the theory since their minds have been made up and admittedly they don't have the same sort of meta experience as you, but come. on.

I actually have a theory scum have the ability to temporarily janitorize a flip--for those at home, like DGB's role in ParadoxPrime, except weaponized. Except that doesn't make sense I guess since there are still two days til LyLo(unless it's a permanent thing, in which case this game is actually bastard and I can wholly wash my hands of this game with no bad thoughts).

[Garruk Relentless]

But where did this entire janitorizing theory come from? I mean, why did you segue the discussion to this speculation?

It grew out of their(Nacho+Benmage) certainty that I will flip scum, when I'm actually town. They are expressing zero doubt that I will flip scum, which is weird considering even Nacho agrees this is a fake guilty(ALSO I WANNA POINT OUT BENMAGE STILL HASN'T PRODUCED ANY ROLE OR FLAVOR INFO). It just seems weird to have that much confidence without some sort of ace.

[Garruk Relentless]

Garruk, looks to me like you're trying to sow doubt into your scum flip. Anyway, Is there anything you would like to tell town in order to help us out before I hammer you?

I understand how you have come to that conclusion, but thanks for humoring me at least. I've left my reads+thoughts with Shadoweh because, quite frankly, the whole lot of you don't deserve them.

The apathy in this town is quite disturbing and I think the majority of the active players is probably the scumteam. Tierce, I need you to whip the rest of these people into shape.

[Garruk Relentless]

...except that my Hated status was removed on day five.

[Garruk Relentless]

Yeah, I'm here to spite you Benmage.

[Garruk Relentless]

Why so cagey about claiming, Benmage? Gotta coordinate your claim with your scumbuddies?

[Garruk Relentless]

My scum games perfect. Read any scum game of mine with the QT... my fakeclaims are one of the first things I make. And They're perfect. SoooOoOOo, like I said, I'm modconfirmed town.

wow such ironclad argument

[Garruk Relentless]

Plus this mod gives fakeclaims.

Well you claimed modified tracker, so obviously you got some other tracks, right? Mod surely gives you all those too, right?

[Garruk Relentless]

He "tracked" me to the nightkill last night.

I've fullclaimed multiple times, but to your benefit, I am Tyrion Lannister, (ex)Double-Hated 2-shot Motivator/Fruit Vender. I was also neighborized and given a joint 1-shot strongman kill with Shadoweh night three. I motivated Tierce n1 and Nautillus n5, but Nautillus claims to have not received my motivate.

[Garruk Relentless]

I also have a useless ability where I can ask the mods where do whores go.

[Garruk Relentless]

Out of curiosity... why's it "ex" hated?

It means on day three, I became just hated as opposed to double hated. On Day five, I lost the modifier whatsoever.

PEdit: Is your motivator/fruit vendor the same thing (the target knows they're motivated), or are they two different actions and you chose to motivate? Did Tierce confirm the motivation (assuming so)? Who did you kill N3?

The motivate & fruit vend are the same ability, flavorized as paying someone a large amount of gold. Tierce has confirmed my ability. Shadoweh and I were responsible for the Katsuki kill.

[Garruk Relentless]

We already have a claimed ninja, btw, Magua, in The Alchemist.

[Garruk Relentless]

That was anti-climatic

Vote: Garruk

Do you not find Benmage even in the slightest sketchy?

[Garruk Relentless]

@Garruk:

Theories as to why that was the only kill N4 then?

That night, specifically, Titus had a mass-redirect/roleblock thing that redirected every action in the game at her. Since our kill was a strongman, it ignored that. On the whole, though, we are missing a ton of kills.

[Garruk Relentless]

I've been trying to encourage Garruk to post song lyrics but so far he's been resistant, either he really thinks somehow he's not dying or he's not scum here. Or maybe he's retaining hope, like Benmage will go 'oh i was kidding, i did not in fact

poison

track you, you can go on playing like you matter today'

[Garruk Relentless]

I've been trying to encourage Garruk to post song lyrics but so far he's been resistant, either he really thinks somehow he's not dying or he's not scum here. Or maybe he's retaining hope, like Benmage will go 'oh i was kidding, i did not in fact

poison

track you, you can go on playing like you matter today'

[Garruk Relentless]

I've been trying to encourage Garruk to post song lyrics but so far he's been resistant, either he really thinks somehow he's not dying or he's not scum here. Or maybe he's retaining hope, like Benmage will go 'oh i was kidding, i did not in fact

poison

track you, you can go on playing like you matter today'

[Garruk Relentless]

Hey SD when I flip town, you promise to lynch Benmage, right?

[Garruk Relentless]

Proving you continue to be a useless fuck.

At least put your vote down, marble, so I can flip tonight and mock you all mercilessly.

[Garruk Relentless]

Garruk, question the first: why did you not Motivate someone N2?

We used the first shot in case we were gonna be the lynch target(and I really suspect we were gonna if Amrun hadn't done as she done). Second night, I decided to play it a bit safer and wait til we had more claims so my second shot, you know, slightly more use.

@Titus.... Garruk said he's not since D5... I don't think he ever mentioned why... It was probably an original scum lie from the getgo.

What scum motivation could I have for lying about being Hated? Anyways, after four phases(day/night separate), the first tick was removed. After seven phases(yes, so it actually ended night four w/e) it was fully removed. Seven phases for seven gods and all that jazz.

I'll be back in like an hour. In the meantime, Tierce, do you think Benmage is scum? If both you and Shadoweh don't, I'll consider other options for now(Alfred+Nautillus primarily).

[Garruk Relentless]

Anyways, after four phases(day/night separate), the first tick was removed. After seven phases(yes, so it actually ended night four w/e) it was fully removed. Seven phases for seven gods and all that jazz.

[Garruk Relentless]

I don't see how you can not buy it, considering it's confirmed truth at this point?

Anyways I have a feeling I'm gonna die before I wake up, so I leave this.

Nautillus is lying scum about getting my motivate.
Alfred is idiot scum and the main defense of him was by--guess who--Nautillus. I understand the TET thing, really, but that can only take you so far. Don't forget that most of his "protown" case was by Nautillus appealing to said TET masonry thing.
Titus was roleblocked night three or something--Shadoweh had a good case for Titus-scum.
And then you have one wild card. Look in the fakeguilties+Alchemist for this one.

[Garruk Relentless]

I don't believe Nat gave the flavor, however. Since we're Tyrion, everyone hates us. After enough time the people in Westeros forgave us and because we prayed to seven gods, it took seven phases of time for the people to forgive and get rid of our Hated status.

I really hated getting it because I don't have the best living past Day 1 record. But we did it. We've lived to Day 8, and now we're getting lynched by a fake tracker result. Of all things.

-SSK

[Garruk Relentless]

This seems pretty extreme? You were the one who said it was pretty likely AGar roleblocked you the Night he died.

It's predicated on the fact that I have zero charges left on my motivate. Also the fact that his behavior has been sosososososo sketch since after quadz' lynch.

You asked what the scum motivation was for claiming hated

Answer: not getting wagoned

It is not confirmed truth because unless I missed it, your hated claim was never tested

Except I don't think being hated prevents wagons? If I was acting scummy, people just ran me up anyways--as they did multiple times this game. They just stopped before "L-1".

[Garruk Relentless]

I'd rather you, Shadoweh or Tierce hammer than aNautillus, Alch or Magua.

Cephrir, pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaspleepalepaplepepalelpelalppelplease don't let my words today go unforgotten. Please?

[Garruk Relentless]

I ask you again - is there anything you want to tell the town?

I think you're looking for a specific answer, and I honestly have no idea what you're looking for?

why am I supposed to be reading you as town? Your answer is: "because motivates ". Do you see why that can be less than convincing to me? Do you see why that can be frustrating as hell to me? I have been impressed with your play elsewhere, but this play isn't what I want to see. And I know you can play better than is, I know you should be playing better than this, but you're not and you're looking to place the blame elsewhere. Please don't do that, it's a seriously shitty thing to do.

I'm saying that you've played with me enough to know you should have a good bead on my behavior. FOR EXAMPLE: take the two other games where I was guilty'd as scum--Cash Cabd and Hard Boiled. You've managed to miss a huge difference in my behavior regarding them. I'll grant you, I've been more lurky than usual and I was off to a real slow start this game, partly due in part to the lolBenmage-Thor shit, partly cuz this was my first hydra game ever when it started, partly because I tried clearing with SSK before I realized that my pace is much faster than his and that was a mute point. Partly because I've been trapped out of the loop this game, with the major players content to mostly ignore me and talk about shit I didn't really care about. I didn't really get invested in this game until Shadoweh neighbor'd me(speaking of player's who every's been content to ignore). I really don't see how my "play" has been subpar past that point.

If you want to be useful, try explaining why the guilty on you is obviously fake. I get it, it's benmage. But lo and behold, this guilty actually makes sense based on Night 5!

1. It's Benmage.
2. He's done very little pro-town and is mostly being meta'd down by people on highly fakable posts(Alfred's "lol Ben's town cuz he self-meta'd" for example).
3. Cephrir is expressing doubt on his claim as another tracker variant.
4. He refuses to disclose

any

details at all on his claim, hiding behind some seriously shitty reasoning("lol it might help scum!").
5. (and most important!)

YOU YOURSELF ARE SAYING ITS FAKE SO WHY THE FUCK AM I DEFENDING WHY ITS FAKE!

Regarding night five, it's possible I was roleblocked. But, here's where the rabbit hole goes on that. Why would a scum team hypothetically let me commit the nightkill and motivate(regardless of the fact we don't even know if scum can take actions and kill on the same night) on what could be considered a critical night for my innocence(since I stated I was motivating that night, asked for targets in thread and all)? Why risk all that on a double-target track(a confirmed scumclaim--my assumed scumbuddies can at least fakeclaim out of a tracked kill).

That's not even getting into the notion that people think Alchemist is scum and a ninja, then suggesting that anyone but him would commit the nightkill.

Ask what happens when you're roleblocked on a limited shot. Then, tell me why you didn't do this before.
Then, go ahead and tell me what I have done that's been so sketch.

...fine, I see your point. And the "why" here is more to do with me being arrogant and prideful than anything game related.

[Garruk Relentless]

I think its obvious my last post struck a nerve. I think all the scum are on my wagon. Good night.