Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Voidedmafia]

You're going to die today.

...No. I'm not. Not if I can help it. Just because we only have 3 days to lynch somebody does not mean you or Bald (I am honestly suspecting Bald) or anyone else are going to shove my lynch down my throat or anyone's throat.

You can call it whatever you want to be cute, but it was a hesitation.

It implies I didn't want to hammer, which wasn't the case. Thus, not hesitation.

I'm not putting it up in cute words, you just think it's cute so you can deride me for saying it. That doesn't make what I said any less true.

so you just came out of nowhere to throw more heat on Voided ok

Pro and eagle are doing that recently. Eagle moreso than pro.

Worried about being caught on another town-lynch? Gotta get some support pre-wagon?

What is the point of this statement?

I don't want to lynch voided. Pure gut.

Didn't you say you were fine with my lynch yesterday?

Useful like...? I don't have a whole lot of time to put into the game researching/making long walls... so I am firing at the hip.

Look at someone other than me, and if he/she/they (if a hydra) are scummy make like a two-paragraph or 5-bullet case on them or something. That isn't hard to do in less than 3 days, Hawk.

Lol, keep discrediting.

How the fuck is that discrediting?!

I'm saying that action is stupid as fuck because it IS! What if prohawk wants to vote someone else before settling on me? What if--wonder of wonders--his scumread on me diminishes by Monday (or Sunday, I think it's Monday now)? Now he fucking can't because you were fucktarded enough to freeze his vote on me.

soyeah, stupid. Stupid.

Well, you did WK LB

Did not, and I never have.

And you have been discrediting everything I say against you

Hi pot, meet kettle.

Also, I didn't discredit you when I replied to you in 2610, so that's a wrong assertion. If anything YOU'VE been discrediting everything I'VE said.

When's the last time you ever looked at ONE of my posts and thought "hey, this might be town from him"? Well?

This is so true. Never seen a townie evade so many lynches.

This is a stupid argument and both of you should know that.

If you want to draw parallels between this and S&L I can't stop you (though I obviously think that it'd be misapplied meta in that case), but the idea behind this is retarded.

Transfer: morph undisclosed
Transfer: player undisclosed
Transfer: player undisclosed

Why'd you transfer?

Also, I think you missed my question to you regarding cop and NK.

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Early game play

...

Really? -_-

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It's really awful, go back and read it.

You expect me to do good analysis, much less good self-analysis?

And...just my early game?

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In particular yeah.

I suck at that kind of analysis, though...:/ I can't really do that.

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P.S.: Do we have time to redo the plan? I'm thinking a straightforward "four top scumreads as voted by the thread transfer money to one of four top townreads."

I don't think we have time to do more than that today, but it wouldn't be bad to broach the subject tomorrow when deadline isn't hanging over our heads.

Also, thank you for the PSA.

So that means both factions were out to get you.

and also means we can lay any discussion about PV's towniness to rest because that makes it very unlikely for him to be scum, right?

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Fuck the plan. Lynch prohawk, LB.

And completely screw over any semblance of order for the night? Are you crazy, natihana?

PS: My four scumreads would be bald, ud, Nero, and Pro, though he's less a scumread and more someone I'm not trusting with any amount of money right now.

P-Edit: I don't think Nero's gonna die that late.

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Voided-dono

Voided-dono?!

da fuck is with that honorific?!

And...what say you then to delegating people to buy/advertise certain abilities, then?

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This is the marketplace! Let the invisible hand decide!

Yes, let those of us without much night sense run completely free to do whatever we like. Sounds like a good plan <_<

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@Voided: he's not confirmed town, because he could conceivably have been locked out of one bid and lied about the other. (If anyone else in the game thinks they've been locked out last night, then he's a confirmed liar, due to the one-Dirty-Trick-per-night clause.) But I think he's almost certainly telling the truth about being locked out of Cop (given that he could have spent far more than the winning bid on it with all the people who'd claimed to send money his way), at least. And he looks town, anyway.

...Good enough for me.

Just transfer your money to me! My night senses are amazing!

I trust nachopire more than I trust you right now.

behavior while being tunneled

I guess this is the part I'm not quite understanding because I feel the emotions and such responses there and here have been the same though the actual content is different due to how the tunneling has happened (Fate gave no reasons but pushed me to no end; in contrast, bald gave some reason (if ridiculous) and is pushing me to no end).

Why was ka confirming zdeneks actions a big deal?

Less it being a big deal and more that it made more sense to me from a town perspective.

Here he's been content to kindle fires but not fan them, so to speak. Whereas in the others he fanned the flames as well of the fires he started.

What about him pushing for me even though the flame for my wagon wasn't kindled by him but by Eagle (and Nero, slightly)?

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Think about what the fuck you're arguing. Do you know how much a piece of straw weighs?

So then you're making more out of it than there actually is.

Also, I disagree that it's a very minor thing and dislike that you're trying to make me say it is.

If it was shallow but Pie was honestly pushing it like it was a good reason, you'd have a point. however, it was a shallow reason and Pie knew it was a shallow reason, so it seems to me that the content is irrelevant but the intent of pushing said content is.

Voided is just disregarding me for a stupid player whenever I try to attack him, so he's discrediting me.

Using Vote Freeze like that is stupid.

Pushing a Wk case when I didn't WK is stupid.

Claiming things about my actions that aren't true is also stupid.

I don't think I've directly called you stupid, though. Just that your actions are.

Also, Voided was pissed that I froze a vote on him, LOL.

Why the hell should I not be pissed?!

Also, nice avoidance of the issues I brought up.

(but not doing so, nor voting which wouldn't have been the hammer)

From what I though about EV at the time, I thought it was, hence why I said what I did. If I hadn't I would've just voted.

and didn't say anything about wanting someone not as scummy to hammer UNTIL I PRESSURED HIM.

...No you didn't. 3047 carries that message implicitly. I simply spelled it out when you asked me.

Also, you didn't really respond to that end sentence there about towncred and deadline hammers.

Now I'm all unsure about my read on Aces.

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why

What this man said.

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Also, why can't people seem to not capitalize the M

People keep capitalizing the "M" in my name, too, when it's not. I feel for you. (Though it's more annoying than weird as I kinda understand if you abbreviate it as VM.)

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Speaking of people, did everyone just go to sleep?

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-.- Really, going to flop in with that?

And this post is much better?

At least muffin's has a talking point or two in it.

see, the problem i have with you is that you're apparently convinced i'm scum, but you're doing absolutely nothing about it. i questioned why you think i'm scum and you gave some vague answer that, when pushed, you were unable to back up. instead you tried to deflect and claim that it's scum-motivated to question why you suspect me. lol

And in regards to my queries about it, you never actually tried to present what was desired to convince me of your case, or you deliberately ignored it.

, his main scumreads are his attackers

One problem is that you didn't attack me first. Also, as I said, Prohawk is less someone I think is really scum and more someone I'm not willing to trust with money and would prefer it go elsewhere. That's only 2/4, so nice try.

Voided: I'm not looking at the DP wagon.
Nero: Why not is he your buddy?
Voided: UGH! How dare you reach that conclusion.
Nero: Stop whining and tell me why.
Voided: I'm just not ok.
Nero:..........

A.) This is not a scummy conversation.

B.) Just because I'm not doing something like that somehow makes me scum? What if that's simply not how I like to do things?

Nero: Muffin just backtracked
Voided:Yeah he's suspicious
Muffin: Nero tampered with my post!!!
Voided: SRS tampering by Nero

I went over this already. It's cute (read disingenuous) that you're ignoring what I said about it so you can push your own painting version.

LB-Can you explain the town read on Voided?

She's done that already. Esp's is just gut. <_<

See if Gost ever responds to anyone accusing him of fake rage

Who the hell is Gost?

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Something is really bothering me with how the previous four lynches have gone down. Mainly with how the first three involved very sudden wagon appearances on the eventual lynch for the today (especially D3, where the seanald counterwagon to me kinda came up out of almost nowhere), yet KA's lynch was more of a slow progression and eventuality by the end of the day rather than a sudden change from one or more possible prospects to another. I wish I could properly explain what I think about this, but it's still something that should be looked at, and I think taking a look at both the initial 1-3 votes and then the next ones up to L-3/L-2 would be most fruitful.

I planned on posting my responses to things that I missed over the weekend (cuz the damn site went down on me <_<) right now, but all the downtimes really cut into things. I'll get to those soonish.

Hit me up tonight.

Why exactly are you a better target than anyone else?

Nacho has like three posts to explain why he's not Right Hand Scum.

A.) Why Right hand and not Left hand?

B.) KA's lynch does put some question marks to Garuda, I can agree that, but is it really that big a thing or is there something more?

On that note, Peregrine's neighbours should claim if they're still alive.

Very much agreed with this.

The beginning of Day 5 announcement originally listed Love Potion x 1 and Roleblocker x 3 as being the removed abilities.

This was incorrect.

Roleblocker x 3 and Self-Watch x 1 are the correct abilities removed.

Well, this is still okay, but LP+RB gone would've been better. At least one red ability is gone either way.

Oh yeah. To clarify, I mediumed PeregrineV and did not receive a QT. I'm assuming this is because I was roleblocked.

Mhork is very likely town because of this, if no one thought that already.

PEDIT: That's possible

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You can fuck right off. I just said and you quoted that I don't think it's this tiny small detail that you're trying to make me say it is.

You say it's a big deal, I'm saying it's not, and I'm telling you you're making it into a big deal when you shouldn't be. I'm not trying to make you "say" anything beyond realizing that point.

And before you ask again, I already answered why I talked about this and not the rest.

and I don't see how that's even a scumtell

Likewise <_< I don't even see an accusation that it's fake rage.

Too much resistance to lynch Voided.

ProHawk (and this goes for Bald, too), I should not be the focus for today. Not just because I think that the arguments for me (and this argument in particular) are stupid, but because we're in a good-size hole that I feel like we're getting into. You can call this fearmongering, but the fact remains that out of four lynches we've only hit one scum on what is looking more like it's a fluke than anything else.

Also, did you ever respond to my response to you? I don't recall it.

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Although, my gut is screaming at me to reconsider my scumread on Voided.

OMG! Is bald actually enteryaining the idea that I'm not scum?! Holy shit, its a miracle!

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Why exactly are you a better target than anyone else?

I do better in a closed-knowledge environments where I can rapidly spitfire thoughts out. Plus, I currently have one of the higher net worths on the townside and want some advice that scum can't see.

I thought there weren't that many townreads on you, or have mentions of you just been that few? (Or am I just missing them?)

A)Dr Pepper is super lynchbait to the Nth degree. I've personally lynched town-DP as scum-me numerous times. Who led DP's lynch and would have thought he was badtown..?
B)Who's led the town's kills since...day two?

Garuda's solitary vote on DP for four straight VCs before pere and muffin and morph join him did look suspect when I checked the counts, especially since they didn't explain it until after people joined, so I see your point there.

For the other, Garuda didn't lead seanald's lynch. In fact, Garuda was on KA pretty much the entire time. I agree in regards to DP and (obv) KA.

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Mhork, now is not the time to get your pet lynches. I think he is likely scum, too, but we need a sure scum lynch, not a lynch pnly 2-3 people want. Besides, if Garuda or UD were part of the group calling Nero town cuz meta, that points more to Nero being scum imo.

Hara, I don't remember you posting at all, yesterday.

PEDIT: MOLLA WTF?!

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Like, we already told seanald off about advertising austerity, and you advert it anyways?

And Gravedigger, too...?

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That doesn't explain why you adverted austerity, molla.

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Voided, who do you think is scum?

Nero, you slightly, upside down, and I'm beginning to think Garuda is as well.

I still feel that LB and mhork are town, and that muffin and pie are town as well. My last couple of guesses would be within (prohawk, esp, bb).

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A. I wanted to remove the other things.
B. I didn't bother reading what it does.

...

Seriously?

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If I was scum I wouldn't be in situations where people are pissed at me, I'd be being congratulated for having good night actions that my scumbuddies concocted

Not buying it.

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Why not

Seanald.

Also, bevause I think you're not that stupid.

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Is that a response to the fact he has you as scum?

Also, you ignored me.

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I didn't ignore you... I didn't vote you and have no clue what the response to the response thing you are talking about.

And no, you fail. Next please?

I replied to a post of yours from yesterday. And afaik you never tried to refute me on your reason for voting me D3.

Funny, though. I never mentioned that you're voting me today, yet that's what you jump to first? I'm well aware that you aren't voting me (though I'm expecting UD to when N, I think, posts), so it's curious that when I push you to answer my posts from a page or two ago you almost immediately say, "I'm not voting you!"

Did you read my first two posts of today, perchance?

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Upside down is a sure scum lynch? Since when is that the case?

Did I say he was a sure scum lynch? If I meant them, I'd have said them.

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this is because of Voided's EV

*coughuseditcough*

Not really seeing muffin-scum, here, Pie.

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Haven't touched base with Ghostlin yet, but I think he and I can both get behind a BBmolla lynch.

VOTE: BBmolla

Correct or not, this is stupid. No one but you wants BB dead.

Also, yesterday.

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And by correct or not, I mean even if you're right and BB is scum, that move and vote is stupid.

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you sent in the activation on D4?

N3 <_<

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Voided, a lot of us want Molla dead.

I'm aware of there being scumreads, just not of people wanting him dead over others. Am I wrong?

^Hara should probably die pretty soon here.

Ignoring that you say you have a townread below this post, why?

problem is we have no way of knowing if you used it or not

I say it's better not to do anything reckless just to be safe

Fair enough.

Also, can you please explain at some point why you think muffin is scum?

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And at the same time we have the derpiest thing ever said that there’s no resistance to his wagon

He never said that?

And I still think ud is a bad lynch and will probably say that a lot because why the fuck is he getting lynhed?

I believe because he posted yesterday after DL got used, or something like that? That's what's been stated today, anyways.

But a muffin flip points towards you being scum, amirite?

No because muffin's called me town without defending me.

Replace muffin with mhork, and then you'd be somewhere, but on the other hand that applies to more than just me.

no? I mean back in the day I'd NEVER get town read so it was like a dead giveaway if anyone had a town read on me though lately (and you can check my games for proof.) I get defended by town. I mean its not impossible to buy that scum are defending me but come on.

Why are you demanding a readthrough of a game/s from someone who has neither the time nor the inclination to read them (nor really the ability to properly analyze what I'm reading)?

I'm pretty much in agreence with this though I'd like to add that PV also had a p strong town read on me (obviously not strong enuff to neighbor me or put me in his top 6) so I feel his read on me should carry a bit of weight.

"PV's reads are totes not to be 100% good for everyone to go by! Except his read on me, that one's cool." That's pretty much what I got out of this.

He also seems pretty disconnected from the game.

Aces was disconnected, yet he turned up scum. What makes Mhork different?

Molla pretty much is disconnected from the game, more or less, too.

I also still find it pretty scummy that he was calling Muffin “bleeding town” but didn’t see Muffin defending him.

I don't remember this. Muffin and I were the two people he called obvtown effectively because we defended him D2 instead of you.

This is the dumbest reason for not voting anyone in a mafia game ever, particularly since scum likes to drive popular sheep wagons.

Molla has continued to advertise super scummy abilities, and continued to act as if his finger's fucking slipped. I mean, the abilities dictionary is -right on the first fucking page-. Then he's posted gems like someone should die because their reads suck. What the fuck?

It's really not our fucking fault that you can't be assed to figure out Molla's scum and vote for him.

Talk to me when there's support for a BB wagon, not when you're clamoring for a lynch that only you will ever be on at this point.

Do I agree with you that Molla looks bad? Yes. Do I think that you or I'd be able to swing a lynch onto him? Not today, no. So sit on it for tomorrow.

has been cussing like a sailor like he's done every game.

Is this new because I don't recall seeing this before?

The only reason why I've not hated Nero Cain to death is PA says that his death tunnels are his town meta.

what "death tunnels"?

What muffin said.

I remember not liking him prior, that's kind of the straw that broke the camels back.

Specifics?

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Pie, I'm not getting this push, like at all.

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And here's really my biggest problem with Voided.

He's proclaiming with shitty reasoning that this hydra should change their vote because the lynch we want won't fly today, and is he trying to push one of these popular lynches through? Trying to get someone with more chance than Molla lynched?

No. He's sitting on his hands, commenting about everything but not voting on it. He has no agency in this part of the game. He's hoping it'll all die down. I'm also not liking uwop because even in my absence Penguin posted; they're a hydrae too, why aren't they posting/interacting, at least one head to give us something to interact with?

How do you know for sure that's why I'm not voting?

Also, where my vote is has little relevance to what I said to you. I don't need to be on a wagon or the leading wagon to tell you when you're being stupid with your vote.

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Is not defending you

...That's not what I said.

This is EXACTLY what I said in that quote: Muffin called me town without defending me. I didn't add anything else to that statement, I didn't say "Muffin did that, and he's defending me". Why are you putting words in my mouth?

You are posting here a lot....so why do you have so much time to post here but you claim to have time to not read other games.

Just because I have the ability to post here doesn't mean I have the ability to do the functions you request of me. Furthermore, my focus is on this game, not what you may or may not have done previously, and I have little inclination to trawl through other games for little nuggets that I may not find or even be able to properly apply if I do find them.

Meta analysis is simply not my thing, now stop asking me to do it.

Also, if my getting defended by scum (if UD/Empcho flips scum) why would you not want to skim past games to show you that I often get defended by both town and scum?

See above.

Do you not care what my alignment is?

Rhetorical?

Finally, why are you singling out UD and Empcho here, they are not the only ones defending me.

They're the two people I'm suspecting right now (though Garuda isn't in that pile anymore as he didn't do the "Nero is town cuz meta" thing), other than you.

You are scumreading Molla yet according to your logic you shouldn't.

You're suggesting Mhork is scum for, among other things, being disconnected from the game; I'm not.

Also, that doesn't answer my question.

So whomever defends him he calls obvtown. This raises no red flags for you?

Like, do you NOT remember that I was the first person to actually point that out in-thread?

Also, Mhork seems to be townread anyone who defends him. It's beginning to smell like buddying.

Anys, here's the post where he calls Muffing "bleeding town" but supposedly doesn't notice Muffin defending him.

Ah, there's a small gem.

My question, though, is why feign that you don't know that you're being defended? I could understand not wanting to straight out say "Hey, thanks for defending me," but that kind of pseudo-ignorance is weird.

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voided, who are you thinking about voting today? do you actually think there's a chance nero is town here?

No, I don't think Nero is town, but the upcoming MyLo situation tomorrow if we lynch wrong is getting to me, and I don't want to be wrong on Nero like I was with Seanald or Hermy (and that's also why I'm ragging/ragged on GP, mhork, who are/were voting people who weren't UD/Nero). I think I'm right (and I may very well vote Nero at the end of the day), but I don't want to be wrong.

(5) yeah, wanna know why i did that in imperishable night? because it came after the metadive morph did on me here and i knew i had to change things up while playing against them as scum. i did it deliberately in that game because they know i'm town here and i was trying to throw them off.

this sounds as if IN and MIII were going on at the same time.

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pie, Muffin, can you two please stop arguing?

Hey guys. I'm still cool with lynching uwop. Although Nero's "Well, we can't trust PV's reads, but we can trust PV's townread on me though" was scummy. So I kinda okay with lynching him too.

Why'd you want UD lynched again? The vote on Pie D4?

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Garuda's argument with Hara doesn't give me really good feels.

I'm disagreeing with your statement that Muffin wasn't defending you. What did you think I was saying?

Sorry, I misinterpreted that.

Though, on that subject, I still don't think that he's saying that.

Ima take your word for it 'cause I don't really feel like reading (I did skim though!) Though shouldn't you have more than 2 scum reads?

That should read "two of the people" rather than "the two people." I obviously have you as a scumread (and Bald, though I feel/fear that this is becoming less "I think he's scum" and more "I don't like him because he can't seem to find a way to like me or at least not lynch me".)

You noted that one of my scum reads were Mhork and one of the reasons I think he's scum is 'cause he's coasting and disconnected. You fired back with "Hey, Aces was disconnected!!!" Which (I felt) was a statement made to undermine my Mhork read.

In a sense, yes. Though, instead of undermining I want you to explain how mhork's disconnect is scummy compared to Aces and BBmolla because Aces did get lynched in part because he wasn't up to date with the game, and he flipped town, and BBmolla has admitted he is rather behind in this game beyond saying I'm scum and that Pie needs to die. And I'm not very keen on a scumread that has that as one of it's main reasons (based on what you said in that post regard mhork, anyways; if I'm putting too much emphasis on the impact there, please let me know).

Also its vibe and metaish. Explain your Molla read/case?

I guess I can't ask for more than that. Neither Mhork's nor BB's disconnectedness give me the same "town really trying to help" vibe that Aces did, though Aces actually put a lot more effort into trying than either of them have together.

As for BB, part of it has to deal with the same idiocy with his adverts, part the above disconnection...If I had anything else, I can't think of it right now.

Scum fake shit all the time.

But...I just can't imagine Mhork-town or Mhork-scum looking over muffin's argument with you and NOT see how muffin's defending him, and that quote does NOT read like mhork is aware of the defense and is just faking not realizing it to me.

My thing though is, if Mhork is town and was reading the thread and thought Muffin was town via his posts then like how could he miss Muffin defending?

That, too.

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Where has LB been the past two days, anyways?

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I'll take blame for the KA mislynch if you want. I don't particularly see how it was "retrospectively terrible" except that he was town.

It doesn't exactly sound like he was pointing fingers at anyone, just saying that he realizes how stupid it was in hindsight.

You really don't think KA was honestly trying to get some kind of town foothold?

that seems about right. however, looking back on it, I don't see any town intent, nor scum on town intent for baldeagle to freeze a vote on Voided, especially when he went and reconsidered his reado on him. if baldeagle is town then it's really stupid and if it's scum on town then it's such a ridiculous move that it'd be pretty much a death wish. this seems like a bus and we srsly need to look at Voided again if baldeagle flips scum

Keep in mind, though, that he had said that he got burned by someone WKing before, and while I (still) insist on it not being the case here, you think it's not alignment relative that he'd go that far to avoid such a thing happening again?

wait nvm it says in the first post it's multiball

so much for that @_@

That part of your post furthers my townread on you, and I think should be favorably looked on by everyone.

On that note, Voided, Nero, Espeonage, and ProHawk, who did you send money last night? And ProHawk, who did you send money on N3?

you.

Right, so I had time last night to work on this (go figure), and will hopefully have time later tonight. LB, if you had a scum-result on me, it would be because you are scum.

So you think it'd be a scum fakeclaim?

this just seems like scum trying to widen the lynch pool to give themselves more possibilities for mislynches

But...how does it widen the lynch pool that far? It really only opens up BB and Nero, of whom the latter is already a lynch target and the former has been considered for the lynch a few times already by a few people (by both of us, even, though he isn't our first pick).

No one else alive, as far as I know, hasn't been stupid with their actions, or at least those that have been claimed so far.

however when I accused you, you, on the other hand, assumed I wasn't going to move off of you.

...I don't see this.

On the subject of votes, however, I think I've convinced myself enough to vote Nero.

Vote: Nero Cain

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she starts asking if my other options disappeared. it seems like she was scared I wouldn't move off her. and then she started going off on all these weird tangents that I don't get how they had to do with this.

A.) "he"

B.) I don't see it as being scared, I see it as him wondering why you just switched to him.

C.) He has a point about how "recent" works, though I currently cannot check back myself to see if he's right. If you had previous been adamant about muffin and then switched to being adamant about him, it's reasonable to at least wonder what happened to the muffin suspicion if you never said in the interim that muffin was still a target of yours.

it widens the lynch pool since we don't have enough mislynches to spend on every single person who did bad things with their actions. it seems like an easy way to line up lynches

Fair enough point on lining up lynches, but as I said, Nero is already a lynch candidate. At most he could only line up one more lynch on BBmolla, and if Nero flips town it's not likely anyone'll give esp a chance to get that lynch without BB scumslipping/claiming hard today or tomorrow.

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he was focusing so much on whether I would move off him,

He was focused on why your person to lynch went from muffin to esp when you previously had been adamant about lynching Muffin.

[Voidedmafia]

Because otherwise I just don't understand what you were getting at with that bit.

Me neither. Is the not mafia result a part of...whatever you were doing, or is it actually a result?

Am I OMGUSing if I think Ghostlin is scum tunneling on me?

...Kinda?

[Voidedmafia]

Was I unclear in some way? Why do you make pointless comments intermixed in a gigantic wall of quotes

So...why a scum fakeclaim?

[Voidedmafia]

nope.

So when you chastise people for trusting in a dead town's read, and then

in the same breath

say that the same dead townie had a townread on you and imply that it should be trusted, we should take this as a townie action and believe you're town for it?

No.

[Voidedmafia]

These statements are deff an attempt to counter my statement that "there's been a massive amount of resistance to a voided lynch".

3242 is asking

you

what resistance there has been. That's not countering your statement, that's demanding you prove it.

I then said "Hey, wait a minute, there's been a shitload of resistance to Voided. And that's where we are right now with Muffin pretending like he never said that

No...it's been more like Muffin's trying to get you to explain the resistance you pointed out, and you ignoring that to claim that muffin is saying there isn't any when he already said there was.

And then he's just playing dumb and going "oh, well if those guys that got lynched instead of Voided were actually counterwagons then there'd be scum pushing those wagons." He's been around this site long enough to know that scum don't necessarily have to push a wagon as much as just hop on.

So who're the scum who hopped on to the alternate wagons?

[Voidedmafia]

No where did I ever say "well don't trust PV's read on UD." nor did I ever "chastise" Nacho. I was merely agreeing with Bald that his reads aren't the holy bible (not that I even trust the bible).

And yet you then act as if PV's read on you has some merit RIGHT AFTER YOU SAY THAT! Are you seriously expecting us to look the other way when you try and cherry-pick which reads from dead town are correct to suit your own wants?

Like I should have to prove anything that's fucking obvious.

So...if it's that obvious, then surely you have more to show than half-hearted VCA of the final VCs for D1-3, of which you chose three people on two of the wagons and two people on all three and suggested that there MIGHT be 1-2 scum within them? I may be forgetting some analysis from you along the way of this 5 MS-day, 2 RL-month, 170+-page game, but if THAT'S all you got...no, it's not obvious.

You two cannot be this dense. You've escaped three lynches and now everyone has apparently given up on lynching your scum ass. If that's not resistance then I don't know what is. I even checked the online dictionary to make sure I was using the word correctly and yeah I'm right. I did ask Muffin what he'd use to describe your inability to get lynched but I don't think he replied 'cause the only thing that describes it is RESISTANCE.

Well, that's not "resistance". That's "giving up". They aren't the same thing.

And again, we haven't denied there has been resistance. Muffin even gave examples. But there's only really been ONE time that I've been under any threat of being lynched, which was Day 3, and only the sudden shift onto seanald saved my ass; the other two times I was voted by four or five people, but there wasn't really a danger of having more pile onto me (yes, I'm aware people had scumreads on me, but those who did didn't have me as their priority lynch those days. As for the Seanald shift, I again point out that you were just as much under threat of being lynched that day as I was, and we both were saved.

So here's a few things: How was the shift from the two of us to Seanald a scummy shift off of a partner's wagon and not, say, town latching onto a perceived slip as it looks like to me? If not, then what of those afterwards in the middle? Finally, why, exactly, does the near-miss D3 point to JUST resistance to my wagon, and not to yours?

Am I asking you to cover old ground? ...Probably. You can blame me for that if you want. But your argument here has gotten you nowhere. I'm not even sure who here among those who are alive actually agree with it besides Prohawk and Bald. So perhaps you could find a better way to call me scum than insist that because I got halfway to a lynch twice and nearly was lynched once I'm scum.

Especially in his posts today. What more has he done other than saying that he's here and he's still not going to post anything more of value?

Argue that I'm scum because there's been resistance to my lynch D1-D3?

@LB, chainsaw defense is where you attack the attacker, who is attacking the person you are defending.

UD was defending Muffin? I didn't really get that feel from his posts then.

[Voidedmafia]

@Voided, I did get the feel from that, because uwop started attacking pieguy when he started attacking muffinman.

When

? not

because

?

4. Scum is mad because he's about to be lynched.

Whether or not I was going to be lynched had nothing to do with how pissed I was at how you used that, FYI.

At least I had better reasoning to push Voided, than BBMolla. He just has been opportunistic.

I do agree with this re BBmolla.

1. I'm pretty sure you were discrediting him too. just off the top o my head, that sentence that I said was fake as fuck.

Also, when he claimed that me not noticing that Garuda volunteered to advert BP before me D1 was "spreading misinformation" despite A.) that doesn't make sense, and B.) No one told me that Garuda already said they were going to.

1. Eh, not really, Voided was discrediting more.

I only remember calling your attacks on me stupid. I remember that you've gone out of your way to paint whatever I've done into being something scummy. Unless I'm missing something, that's not being more discreditory (lolnewwords).

4. It was scummy to me, Voided is getting pissed over one frozen vote

Did you even read the reasons why I was pissed?

[Voidedmafia]

An actual result (as should be obvious). I've explained the ProHawk thing...and there's a reason I didn't run with it for very long.

I wanted to make sure it wasn't just you doing it for the sake of your gambit.

Eh, what exactly is the point of this line of questioning, Voided? Particularly given you thought my gambit was pointless, what else were you expecting him to say?

Reacting hostilely to such an accusation, I can understand from either alignment. But what I'm not understanding is why he'd immediately jump to you being scum who's fakeclaiming a guilty rather than town who's fakeclaiming a guilty (the third option would be LB getting a true guilty on ProHawk, but that doesn't really relate to his reaction to it).

In fact, I believe you all should probably be thankful for my presence here.

I feel comforted and not comforted at the same time by this comment...

[Voidedmafia]

Whenever you don't feel comfortable, look into this tiger's eyes and realize everything is gonna be alright.

Last time I did that, I and the rest of the site got eaten <_<

@Voided: his reaction did strike me as a bit stiff. "Well, if that happened, then that would mean you were scum." But I'm partly to blame for asking such a stupid question.

Even so, there wasn't much consideration for anything else.

Thanksgiving break is happening so I'm pretty excited to see how you refute that point.

What?

But he's totally town.

Nero? I hope you're joking.

I 100% agree that Thanksgiving is happening, which is what I said.

...you also said that you're waiting for LB to refute mhork's post.

Nacho, are you drunk from Thanksgiving?

Even with bonus time you couldn't make the grade. Going to sleep sad.

Nacho, quit spam posting.

L-2 (with Voided's extra vote) right this second.

I've said three times already that I don't have it. Someone else has EV from when the auction reset.

[Voidedmafia]

I feel like there's something holding me back from voting everyone in my tier 1, particularly the latter two. Maybe it's someone like MuffinMan.

Why muffin?

[Voidedmafia]

And why muffin for those two specifically?

[Voidedmafia]

Are our wires getting crossed here, or was that a typo? It has nothing to do with Muffin. I just meant something was holding me back from voting everyone in my top tier, particularly baldeagle and...

The way you worded it made it sound like muffin was preventing you in some way from voting bald or GP.

let me do this first

@Voided:

did you transfer to me or Garuda on N4?

N3, and Garuda. Last night I transed to LB, like I said.

Whoever has Messenger, come forward.

This is a good idea.

It's also practically a copy of pie's post on him from the previous page

I think that point's largely coincidental.

PA, where else are we going to hunt? UD?

[Voidedmafia]

Not scummy, just lazy.

Bald I have one confirmed read, and that's me being town. Any lynch is better than mine at this point (once were close to MYLO/LYLO things change a bit) because it has a better chance at flipping scum fmpov

So if your only confirmed read is yourself (and afaik me in a less confirmed state), why would you ask if you should break down the post instead of just doing it? I don't see what the town motivation is to ask if it's okay to refute a case.

Also, since when did I evade a lynch?

That isn't even a point of hers...

[Voidedmafia]

"I'm going to use to vote freezer ability to express my desire to lynch Voided because he has been evading so many lynches now"

See how the logic connects there?

"And" is not "because"

[Voidedmafia]

Or they hit scum with their night kill

I think it'd be best to assume that they stacked their NKs N1 over your idea for the time being until we know where that particular one is.

[Voidedmafia]

Speaking of unused abilities, i am uncomfortable with vpidef still having double vote this close to Kylie, especially if he's scum and his team now has asecond double vote.

I SAID THIS FOUR FUCKING TIMES, I DON'T HAVE EV ANYMORE!

God, do I have to yell like Fate to get this through your skull?

[Voidedmafia]

Its A reason, not the reason. You need to explain the bolded 'cause I am p sure that you were pushing a Molla lynch at one point. Do you no longer find him scummy?

And I said "One of the main reasons".

My read on BBmolla has nothing to do with why you're not giving BB's and Aces's disconnect any thought or comparison to Mhork's. And FYI, I only used disconnect to townread Aces and no one else.

Molla/Quilford 1v1 would be highly entertaining and makes me feel even more vindicated in the Molla townread than I felt before.
Can Quilford keep pace???

Molla's answers don't fill me with confidence, yknow.

Did Magua tell you this at the beginning of the day?

Yes.

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Let's...not.

If only cuz I'm probably not going to get much out of it <_<.

What?

MII reference.

Hmm, I can't help it but I'm thinking that Quilford is bussing BBMollla.

I bring a case against Molla. Doesn't get interested.
Quilford makes a summary of my case. Molla is suddenly so interested and wants a 1v1.

I could buy that.


...Nope, I can't get shit outta that. Goes to show how good I am.

HEY, NERO! SINCE BB IS A WAGON DOES THAT MEAN I GET TO SAY THAT YOU'RE SCUM BECAUSE THERE'S RESISTANCE TO YOUR WAGON NOW?? HUH?? HUH??

[Voidedmafia]

I'm actually laughing in front of my computer screen right now.

VOTE: Voidedmafia

Well, that was a nice gift! I'll take it, I guess.

...I'm sorry, I'm confused?

Hey, guys! Why don't you do a test, and ask Magua if you lose an ability once a second one appears in the game? Including if that ability is extra vote?

Guess what?

He'll answer you.

..I'm still confused, what are you talking about?

Seriously, Voided.

What the fuck? What the fuck???

I mean...were you...

I assume maybe to save it so you could quickhammer in LYLO, but...really. Couldn't you, I don't know,

check with Magua

first?

EV goes away once there's less than 10 people in the game. The only way it could reach LyLo is 6-5 or 7-6 situations (or I suppose 5-5, but IIRC the teams win together).

Quilford, go ask Magua what would happen if you won Extra Vote on N0, and then it went up for auction again on N3 (regardless of whether someone won it a second time).

Hint: not what Voided claimed.

I activated it N3, so Mag said I didn't have it at the start of Day 4 because I used it?

I'm really just not getting what you're talking about, Mina. I even said D4 that I had used it.

Like, I'd buy him messing up Seanald-style as town...IF he didn't go the extra mile and lie to say Magua had sent him a PM.

You mean, an extra PM in confirmation? I was talking about the N3 synopsis PM.

[Voidedmafia]

Mag: LB's voting for me

Fixed.

[Voidedmafia]

Voting me, sorry.

[Voidedmafia]

Does anyone not think LB is town? They're stupid if they do. (Granted, Mina just got a good dose of derp points, but I get the confusion and I apologize.)

[Voidedmafia]

I have no idea

you are all mafia

fking game > <

I'm town, LB's town, you're town, Muffin's town, Garuda's likely town, Bald's getting to be null-scum/null, Nero's scum, Pro's null-scum, BB's getting scummy, and I admit I have little idea how to place UD.

That's, like, 10 player reads for you. Agree or disagree as you like.

[Voidedmafia]

Let's talk about this, elaborate

Like I said, I didn't really like the "1v1" between you and UD. I do agree with mhork that it felt stupid, but it felt to me like you were trying to counter UD by saying "How is this my town game" or something similar to that. Trying to answer/avoid questions by saying "How is this X?" or "How does/doesn't this fit my town/scum game?" never has read as town to me.

[Voidedmafia]

Yup, and particularly scum with UpsideDown.

Okay, so what don't you like about what just happened?

[Voidedmafia]

I thought it was a very town way to push someone to lynch.

...and...?

[Voidedmafia]

I thought it was a very town way to push someone to lynch.

...and...?

I mean, yes, I get what you're trying to say here, but why would LB try to swing a lynch onto me, someone who's had his potential as a lynch be dead since it was derailed D3, "scumslip" or otherwise?

I mean, just read how LB tried that. Does it read as scum trying to get themselves a mislynch or as town who honestly thinks they found something?

I forget what GP did earlier but they were like confirmed town or something so I dunno.

Since when was GP conftown?

Much as I personally would like this info, I'm mostly interested in what happened to the overall plan to decide on this as a strategy, if that makes sense.

Not, much, really, after LB proposed it, other than there being a couple detractors to it. I don't think it's a bad idea, personally.

I want to get some reasons to vote someone but every time I try and pick something out and consolidate it in my mind I just get a list of 3 or so other people that have done the same shit.

Do you agree with what these other people have already talked about? And what are these things, anyways?

But I do that as town

Are you trying to be smart with me?

PEDIT: That only stops one person. There still needs to be enough funds.

[Voidedmafia]

It could easily have been scum who actually found something and went for it because it wasn't BS, it wasn't made up.

Okay, why?

[Voidedmafia]

Not even, I self meta a lot as town

And you think I really give a rat's ass about self-meta?

Why you cant understand this is beyond me

No, I mean, why does it have to be from an LB-scum perspective here? Besides, the timing's fucking terrible, anyways, to push me for a lynch. Not because I'm "never getting lynched ever" (I don't think anything but a true not guilty) can put me there at this point), but because, as I said, I haven't been a serious lynch candidate since D3, so I find it REALLY unlikely that LB-scum would do that, ESPECIALLY on one person who's townread her since Day fucking 1 (and I think I'm the only one still alive who's townread her that long, but I could be wrong).

So kindly explain A.) Why it's not bad timing for her to push a mislynch on me, and B.) Why LB-scum would turn on one of her staunchest supporters, either to bus or to mislynch?

[Voidedmafia]

And you think I really give a rat's ass about self-meta?

Yes

WRONG!

[Voidedmafia]

That's actually a reason why I find you scummy, you're acting like the ONLY reason that I find you scummy is 'cause of the "resistance" thing. Its not and that, to me, looks like a straight up scum defense.

There's also that you refused to look at the DP wagon.
Your buddying up to Muffin.
Your fence sitting on Molla and Mhork.

First one isn't scummy. If you think it is, kindly explain how refusing to do something due to playstyle is scummy, and even THEN you're stretching on this one.

How am I buddying Muffin?

Mhork I have a townread on, you know that, right? I can't fencesit on someone I have a solid townread on. As for Molla, if you've actually been READING, I'm getting more of a scumread on him.

So...yes. Unless you want to use the fact that I sided with Mhork during your little fight D2 as a reason (which would be beyond stupid IMO) or think of some other reason, you are only using resistance as a point against me.

Why would you be pissed off that your vote was frozen?

Well, ignoring the OBVIOUS fact that it wasn't MY vote that was frozen...

A.) What if I wanted to move my vote at some point?
B.) What if the read I have on the person I'm voting changes for the better?

Furthermore, are you really gonna tell me that Bald's usage wasn't stupid?

ummm no.

Best start explaining, then.

I don't really understand your timing thing "point" here. Just because you aren't the lead wagon makes you a not serious lynch candidate? You have been on the discussion block for lynch numerous times. This doesn't just go-away.

And yet is has, somehow. Like it or not, I'm not the person people want to lynch, and I haven't been for almost two days in a row. And even with catching that "scumslip" (prior to Mina realizing it wasn't), barely anyone even reacted to vote me. If that really hasn't "gone away" why do I not have a wagon on my right now? Why did no one start one when Mina found that slip once they understood what she was getting at?

And the answer to her voting her "biggest supporter" could either be to avoid a cross examination in the late stages of the game of setting up an ideal LYLO, or you both are scum and its a bus.

Even if we assume that LB is scum, what kind of LyLo are you think we're getting to? Anything more than a 3p LyLo (or even 5p) LB-scum could just keep me alive as a pocket investment.

As for the latter...that's still silly.

This argument is getting stale. We obviously have our different views on the subject. You are a worshiper, and I am the devils advocate. If I am scum for it, then put me in your scum-pile or vote me or whatever you want to do with me.

Well, if I was going to put you in the scumpile more, it'd be for something else.

(quote amended to reflect correction)

Ghostlin's been absent for going on 12 days now. I unfortunately am not better than this.

I'm confused...why would you do this?

(Also, lolBB)

[Voidedmafia]

I don't think you know what this means. At no point did I ever suggest that UD was scum.

And what does whatever you thought about UD have to do with it? If you actually read our initial problem, you'd know that's not it.

I can't even tell if this is intentional misrepping or if you're being that dense.

Anyone that's paying any sort of attention to this game and/or is not an idiot clearly sees that you've escaped 3 lynches. You and Muffin asking me to "prove" that is just fucking retarded.

1, really. The first two times I was only under consideration and not actually under threat of being lynched. And allow me to point out that you also escaped a lynch that one time, too?

(I had more to say here but it got lost in copypasting, so yeah.)

Why do you think scum would "give up" lynching you and lynch someone in your place?

Because they realized that whatever reasoning they were using to lynch me simply won't fly anymore, and because they couldn't find anything new that have to back off or look suspicious?

Possibly because they found that Seanald was far easier to lynch that me?

1. I'm not sure what you are asking here. Though do you really think the Sean wagon was scumless?

...Did I ever say that? How many times do you have to put words in my mouth so you can discredit my point?

And since you can't seem to understand it, my question is: Do you think that the initial push on Seanald by pie, etc. to be scumled or town honestly finding a scumslip to push?

2. ????

*sigh*

If you think the answer to #1 is that it was from an honest town attempt, then do you think scum latched on in the middle?

3. I know that I'm town, I don't know that your town. So I fail to understand why you think my being town should make me go "oh oh Voided is sooo town 'cause I'm town too!!!"

The same thing can be said about me. I know I'm town, but I don't know if you are. Everyone else certainly doesn't know for sure if we are, at least not as of D3. So why is that I'm the one who gets put under the gun after D3 when YOU were in the same boat yet get off scot-free? And no, saying that I was closer to a lynch won't work; prior to the Seanald wagon springing up both of us were the main wagons D3 and pretty much under equal threat of being lynched.

[Voidedmafia]

i don't see nero flipping town as likely at all, but sure i'm probably fine with that

I don't think I am...

nope. Muffin says that my resistance argument is bad and we know you agree with everything that Muffin says

I'm sorry, I didn't know that because two people agree that your arguments are just plain stupid meant that they always agree with each other. Silly Voidedmafia, how could you forget that!

Also, I might. Cuz everyone knows that whenever there's a counterwagon to your own that means that there's resistance to the wagon on you, therefore you're scum. So, since the BB wagon (and by extension the UD wagon) is countering Nero's, Nero MUST be scum!

……………………………………
Nero: I have a scum read on Mhork and one of the reasons that I’m scumreading him is ‘cause he’s coasting/disconnected etc.
Voided: But Aces was disconnected and he was town.
Nero: but you have Molla as a scum read and he’s disconnected.

And the bolded is just really really dumb. That has like absolutely nothing to do with the argument.

So then why did you ask me about my Molla read? This has nothing to do with my read on Molla and everything to do with how selective you're being with the reasons you're using.

If you think Mhork is scum/my because of his coasting/disconnect, how is it different from Aces's disconnect?
If you think Mhork is scum/my because of his coasting/disconnect, does that mean you think that BBmolla is scummy as well because he's the same way?

And don't try to foist the last question off onto me again. I've already said that my reasons for scumreading BB don't have anything to do with how disconnected he is, and the only person I used that argument on was Aces.

Also, it's interesting how you completely ignored the other two major points that I was arguing with you about. Should I trust that you're getting to those, or are you ignoring them in hopes that I forget? (Granted, I probably will and then come back to you a couple days later, but still!)

Yeah like you, Voided, Mhork etc. give a fuck about my town flip.

Well, cuz...you most likely aren't town.

BBmolla

FTFY.

[Voidedmafia]

You're missing the conviction. Sometimes the content of what a person says doesn't matter at all; the key is how they say it (see: Nero, although content is pretty bad too).

So I should believe BB won that argument because he was convinced of his self-meta?

And what about Nero, again?

Except that's not what it even fucking says. What I'm saying is that I get accused of this same junk like every single fucking game.

If you get accused of things like that every game, don't you think that's a problem?

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, I still want your explanation for why you used your extra vote on N3 without ever claiming it.

I did say that I did though.

Though, I was hoping to lynch Nero that day, but the wagon on Aces popped up over the weekend at the same time that I was having trouble connecting to Mafiascum (probably related to the downtime that was happening around that point).

[Voidedmafia]

Hi. Is Nero dead yet?

Well, you're kinda fighting an inno by LB unless you believe that Nero-scum's team had the 2nd round of II and traded it to him N4, I think.

[Voidedmafia]

This game. I am letting you know now I am not sending money to anyone.

I'm sorry, when was it ever okay to do things on your own for no good reason?

How about you explain why, instead of flatly saying you won't.

[Voidedmafia]

...what.

Just...what...?

;_;

I outed myself for that slimy bastard.

Wait, you did what now?

NO STREAK FOR YOU
WHEN I LYNCH COP INNOCENTS I LYNCH THEM FOR A REASON

...nacho, did you just fucking gov Nero?

NOPE I'M SURE A SCUMPARTNER DIDN'T USE IT I'M SURE A TOWNIE WHO WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT NERO CAIN FLIPPING TOWN USED IT

...Should I be saying what I think you're implying here? Cuz what I think you're implying doesn't really sit well with me.

Eagle or espeonage are where I want the flash wagon to go now although both of those feel fairly easy. I will look again in the morning when I wake up.

Okay, A.) Why Eagle over anyone else there?
B.) Why those two people, anyways?

(I think I know the answer to B, though.)

See, usually I'd ask why, but instead this game, I just wanna shout you down and call you dumb.

Agreed with this much, at least.

God, my head...Like, there are at LEAST two or three things that don't even make a modicum of sense right now, and I really just don't want to touch the fact that someone just gov'd Nero that much right now...

Just...someone who I have as town tell me who I should lynch of Esp or BB and why, please.

[Voidedmafia]

Might as well flash me since Nero is scum am-i-rite?

VOTE: Harakiri

This should be done today.

This vote feels out of place, considering how condescending you're being towards the others for wanting to flashwagon you and hara isn't voting you at the time of this post.

Town reads currently reside with Nero

I cannot possibly believe this.

inb4 prohawk, nero, baldeagle scumteam of the year

That would be funny, though. And a good call if that's even 2/3rds true.

looking back at his interactions with people on D2 wherever right after I caught up, a lot of them felt really odd and it's been bugging me the whole game. just was too lazy to look at them again. but again, fuck it

including or excluding his interaction with me?

So kill me and find out. Like I said, I honestly just don't have time to get stuff done here sorry.

Sounds a lot like you're trying to cop out of explaining.

And if you think I would put Nero in my town-reads as scum given everything that happened, you should think-again.

Agreed with Pie below, this is WIFOM town.

I don't see scum-motivation in his posts. I have played with Nero-town and this has the same feel and I have agreed with a lot of his reads and rationale. Its a quick summary.

So you both A.) Disagree with muffin's claim that his reads are static back on D2-ish onward, and B.) Agree with his "VM is scum cuz resistance" argument (which, I might add, you cannot POSSIBLY use against me now.)

I just explained it man. That goverened townie framed to look scum will get mis-lynched the next day when he isn't protected. I haven't actually ran the numbers but mis-lynching today, night kill and mis-lynch tomorrow is game over right?

So scum are trying to set up Nero-town to be lynched tomorrow and get another lynch today?

...But, if Nero is town, with 14 alive and 5 scum remaining (so 9 town left), if we assume that LB and Pie are indeed town, they just gave themselves barely more than a 50% chance that we could him them tonight. If there was one more generally-agreed townread, that puts it at an even 50% (5 scum vs. 5 possibly mislynch targets, 5v6 without the extra townread).I don't know about you, but that doesn't really feel like odds that scum with that many numbers would want to take, unless they're really daring or whatnot.

The Governing in and of itself IS very confusing, I can agree there, but I feel like Occam's Razor cuts toward Nero being scum. As for why, well, I could give an argument or two for town and scum to do it.

zmuffin why'd you govern Nero?

what.

I actually find that a likely theory, ProHawk.

I see the theory, but disagree with the conclusion.

also, if you think this is a scum gambit by LB, then why the hell did you vote for Harakiri over her? 0.0

Very good question.

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Voided, I am just going to say this because its been bugging me this whole game. If you want me to answer anything in your post, address me without the wall of edited quotes.

Tough. I don't always get the luxury of being able to post replies directly to people, and I'm not going to pander to one person. Unless you're just as time-tied as me, it doesn't take that much work to search for your name in my post and work from there.

[Voidedmafia]

If you could force people to choose a lynch within two days by freezing the lead wagon, you setup the next days lynch, all while exerting scum-influence for pushing a quick-wagon.

This does make sense, though. I'm just not sold on it coming from LB.

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: ProHawk

He did raise a fair point or two (like what I quoted in 4297), but I cannot see the arguments he's made regarding the governing and Nero's alignment as well as how he's dealt with the questions directed at him as coming from town.

I also find it interesting how Nero hasn't even posted once since Governer was used, not even a one-word or one-sentence reaction post or anything like that. Feels to me like he's hoping that with the wagon literally forcefully dissolved he can try to slip away and not have to answer questions now.

[Voidedmafia]

If i have to choose between Bald and Molla if it comes down to them at deadline, I'd most likely go with Bald over Molla, if in part because I'd rather not have been wrong about how I felt about his pushing on me (and maybe in part because it would be funny if the three people who've consistently pushed me for 2+ days (Bald, Nero, and ProHawk) all end up as scum).

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: Baldeagle

For real.

I have to agree with bald, at least in regards to the timing. I could buy that it's Bald-scum trying to make a town-like response like those he quoted (I personally feel that it's not necessarily alignment-indicative, but I can see that argument), but not that his timing on responding is suspect.

The head doesn't matter, if you can't figure out who you're talking to, I refuse to specify

I'm going to guess Sakura, but I'm not the best at guessing hydra heads unless it's so seriously obvious because the two people in it have very radically different posting styles that the other can't necessarily fake, like LB. I really doubt that Faraday could copy Mina's long post style effectively--I mean, she can

try

, and could get the length, but not the analytical feel of it.

Except I have JUSTICE on my side, scum!

JUSTICE only writes comic books (and helps a certain attorney get through the kangaroo court he has to regularly attend <_<)

Quotes plz.

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and Voided is lying about EV

I'm. Not.

Espeon went over the limit of idiocy, pie.

And anyone wanna take bets on an Eagle/Mhurk scumteam?

I'd bet on not likely, honestly.

[Voidedmafia]

No, we quicklynch the hell out of Nero for MONIES and then we massclaim.

Why the hell would we NOT massclaim then quicklynch? Or at least claim as much as possible before the lynch scene? I'd think having at least some idea of the night actions would be better than being blind about it until D7.

Please dont send me money.

I wouldn't send you money in a million years.

Top Three Town:

Pie
LB
Muffin

Next Three

Garuda
Hara
...Mhork, I guess

[Voidedmafia]

Can you die now?

Sorry, no. I'm not a self-dayvig, to yours and Bald's eternal dismay.

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: Baldeagle

I'm not sure I'll be available at deadline, so I'll change my vote now.

[Voidedmafia]

[Voidedmafia]

Hawk, if all you're gonna do is quote two posts and think that that'll make your point without looking at what's going on around them, just don't bother.

[Voidedmafia]

but govering me has more or less secured my lynch tomorrow, an atleast Nacho, (baring a Eagle scum flip) knowing it'll be LYLO, wants a QL on me which basically gives scum a free path to victory 'cause if I get qled then we won't be talking about scum at all. Where if I was mislynched today then there is a chance that folks might rethink their reads for the next day.

If you tools can't see the scum motivation in that then you should head back to newbie games.

There is little town motivation to advertising and bidding on Gov. (I can see why town would want to, but the scum usage for it outweighs the town benefits)
There is no town motivation for not outing that you have won Gov, either from N0/N1 (whenever it was first up for auction).
There is no town motivation in governing Nero right as he's about to be lynched AND not admitting they did it. Doubly so if you A.) happen to be town, and B.) said person ctually has a townread on Nero and thought that you could get away with not saying you did it; if that scenario is actually true and both Bald or Esp and then Nero flip town and we lose, then fuck you, whoever you are.

The correct town move would've first to have said that you won Gov. The next correct move would've been to first threaten to use it (I'd think they're stupid for doing that, but it's a lot townier than using it covertly). And if the usage was just a panic move, then the person who used it should've outed the very INSTANT they could post. Nothing about Gov's usage gives me townvibes, and it sure as hell doesn't give me any sense that you might be town. I will not completely dismiss the theory that scum did it to secure two mislynches because it's just plausible enough to have a chance at being true, but I find it highly unlikely and a very ridiculous gambit that only has any payoff if town doesn't lynch scum today and if you, Nero, are town in the first place. Otherwise for them it's just a 1-1 trade, or worse, 0-2 and they lost a chance to save a buddy later on at, say, 7p LyLo.

Bald is town, guys.

VOTE: Espeonage

Have you even said why?

[Voidedmafia]

Not Voting (2): zMuffinMan, Harakiri

These people need to choose between Esp or Bald, and quickly.

[Voidedmafia]

grrrrrr

Unvote

. We have four hours.

Why'd you unvote?

P-EDIT: There have been many claims that he's "hemorrhaging town" (or similar) for awhile, but I've never seen it.

[Voidedmafia]

Unless I'm misinterpreting something, ProHawk is asserting that Voided is trying to start a counterwagon to Eagle with those posts, but Prohawk himself is voting for Espeon. Or did I get that mixed up..?

He's pointing out reasons why I should be voted tomorrow, I think. It'd be suicidal to try and start a wagon on me with only 3 hours or so left at the time he posted.

Though, it reeks of to me of someone trying to mudsling onto me in hopes of not getting Nero lynched tomorrow.

P-EDIT: Cash in townpoints?

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Votes are 6-6 even. If muffin votes Bald (I don't see why Bald would self vote/hammer), then it'd be 7-7 and someone'll have to switch to avoid NL.

[Voidedmafia]

ok? No one is talking about it being used by town so good job fluffing up your post?

So if there's no chance of it being used by town, and if we agree that scum using it to secure two mislynches, while possible, is a big longshot that is IMO more likely to fail than succeed, what's your point in arguing about Garuda? He's being overzealous in the QL dept. (which honestly is worrying me), yes, but if that overzealousness is town zealousness then isn't this being a little counterproductive?

Besides, all we have to do tomorrow is not. QL. Which I don't think we should even do in the first place, no matter how guaranteed Nero's lynch is.

I may not be able to respond before DL.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, I acknowledge the plan by LB.

[Voidedmafia]

So I do have enough time, Cool.

Why do you think its more likely to fail than succeed?

Taking the simple option of an assured Nero lynch today and going from them (especially with last night's NK and the as-of-yet-unknown N0 NK that hasn't shown up yet being a potentially night-time double-whammy) sounds more likely to get a victory than banking on town getting a mislynch today and then mislynching you tomorrow, honestly.

My point is that scum would want exactly what Empcho wants, a ql. My town flip today would have atleast given information and with that information you guys would have went into LYLO and THOUGHT about who is scum. By goving me, we go into lylo the next day (barring a scum flip today) with a shitload of players biasly thinking that I'm scum AND wanted me dead regardless.

That's part of why I'm against just simply QLing you tomorrow. Even if your lynch is set in stone tomorrow, there's no reason to just go "okay, lynch someone today, QL Nero tomorrow, and...then what?" We'll get nothing about what happened during the night, no chance to discuss the lynch that just happened, no way to adjust

anything

until D

7

. And if you're town and Bald or Esp (Whoever gets lynched) is town as well, and both shots go off tonight, there might not even

BE

a D7 to talk on.

but its not like my point was really hard to understand at all so you claiming that my point was counterproductive is kinda lol.

My point is that getting on Garuda for wanting you QL'd is looking just as counterproductive as Garuda suggesting the QL.

[Voidedmafia]

Even if you're right that the QL clamoring is suspect as all hell.

[Voidedmafia]

i can vote baldy if there's enough support

i don't think you have enough town cred to cash in for that after 4425 though, nati

4425 is Nero...

Vote: espeonage

I believe that's L-1 or hammer.

[Voidedmafia]

Well, now I feel stupid for second-guessing on transferring to LB.

I still think Voided is scum

You're still wrong.

I was actually willing to, but you guys lynched Esp before I got him. My wagon would have provided lots of information, especially the part where Nero scumreads me out of nowhere.

I am feeling like I was a little too hasty in hammering Esp before deadline. I just wish there was something to show for it.

I hate this game.

VOTE: Harakiri

Why Hara?

I don't even really think uwop is scum anymore. I don't think eagle is scum. I think we're going to mislynch me and eagle and Voided will win.

Who (besides Eagle) wants to even lynch you in 2 days?

Remember that awesome plan that LB put up? No bidding involved.

I don't think that's his point.

and 2) today ISN'T MYLO anymore.

...Then it's LyLo, isn't it...?

Yes, I understand the logic. If you notice, my first post upon thread open today way that I was mad at myself because I forgot to submit actions.

Okay...so why say in your NEXT post that LB's scum for getting NK for $1? I'm not following what you're saying, here.

Btw, I did a meta search for one of Voided's town game, and he's acting similar to this, so I think Voided is town.

We are not lynching LB or Hiriaki today.

A.) What game

B.) YOU FINALLY CAME AROUND?! A MIRAAACLLLE!!

If LB is town, why did scum not bid on the NK?

Because for some reason they're more scared of LB's cop results than they are of being killed at night.

Which is funny because instead of directly targeting the source of the cop (LB), they instead kill the person I guess had the most money (Pie). And by funny I mean nonsensical. Well, I guess it's true that if Pie's gonna die that night anyways they don't need to worry about whether or not she'll outbid them (though IIRC I'm pretty sure that she'd just win them anyways and then take them to her grave, unless I'm not remembering correctly).

But...I'm not seeing how all signs point to LB-scum, though I'll humor the possibility.

Harakiri's theory was also that they might be holding a NK in reserve.

We're still missing a kill that should've happened N1, so that's still likely.

[Voidedmafia]

The logic behind LB being scum was that they were the only one to bid on NK. Hence, Occam's Razor.

That...does make some sense.

@Voided: This Game -- You had a posting restriction, but I can still feel the same tone from there on here. Also, that was a pretty funny post restriction.

Not for me it wasn't

and they were almost my investigation tonight (I thought Muffin was less likely to have bussed Nero, and wasn't as town overall, though).

I honestly wish Garuda was instead. regardless of how Muffin looks, Garuda's a bit more...higher priority, for lack of a better way to put it.

Though, remind me how Muffin is town if Nero's scum again?

Nope. We're at twelve alive and assuming five scum. We mislynch, and that's six town, five scum. Since there's no kill tonight, on the following day, we'd be back to six town, five scum.

But we're still missing a kill. N0's NK, to be exact. And no one's claimed to have blocked N1.

I need to go back and re-read stuff, but my gut is telling me you and Harakiri are on opposite teams. You found eachother and are now coordinating with eachother via neighborhood. Your back and forth was a ruse to make it look like scum didn't actually bid for the night-kill. You're lying about winning a day and its still MYLO.

Tell me why that isn't the case.

LB-scum, who's already been put as a townread by pretty much everyone else in this game, was too paranoid of losing her towniness that she fakes an argument with Harakiri that spills out from their neighborhood into the thread to try and regain the imaginary lost townpoints?

Pardon me if I find that a little convoluted.

By the way, is there anyone who WANTS me to kill tonight, just so it's not in play? I'm against it, because if I choose wrong, I lose the game. Even if we lynch correctly, it still reduces the number of lynches.

You're not likely to live another day (and yes, I think that you living past this night should be suspect).

[Voidedmafia]

It wasn't for LB, it was for Harakiri.

It's still the same basic story for either of them. They don't have any reason to try and keep imaginary townpoints you're saying they're somehow losing (or they think they're somehow losing).

[Voidedmafia]

Basically, I never did have a town read on him. True, I did put him on the back burner since he was willing to help me lynch voided scum but I've always

always what?

[Voidedmafia]

It seriously seriously depresses me that Nero isn't lynched yet and that Nero still walks and people still wonder why I am so bloodthirsty.

To the point where, like, your first post is asking why Nero isn't dead yet?

Yes. I am wondering.

Pray tell what possibly is wrong with taking some time to assess the night and work that out BEFORE lynching him?

[Voidedmafia]

Ok so I'm getting the urge to want to lynch Harakiri and then we make LB shoot Nero. What about that?

Why Harakiri and not, say, Eagle or Garuda or me?

Can we revisit the idea of mass-claim? At least of used abilities, if not things people still have in their arsenals.

I agree.

I'm not sure if I want to lynch Nero or eagle ATM.

Nero is the more surefire bet.

I don't understand this theory; major flaw seems to be that both scumteams locking out one another is not only highly improbable, but almost bordering on impossible.

I think it's very possible, though it does require that at no point during the game either team managed to actually find the other.

It's not as outlandish as you may think, though, since unless those who were in Pere's neighborhood were scum on opposite teams the only way I can think of that they'd know about each other is from the N1 kill, or lack thereof. Unless you know of any other way they could know who's who among the other team.

What have you done this game that has been town? The only thing that you have in your favor is the Nero tunnel, but you weren't exactly the main proponent of that.

And the medium.

I'm also not particularly interested in a massclaim today.
Maybe tomorrow.

Why?

The lock-out theory is complete tinfoil hat, but it would explain why ONE team didn't bid on NK.

How do you know ONE team didn't bid?

i am upset to announce that i think bbmolla is probably town now.

Based on what?

[Voidedmafia]

*sigh*

(irrelevant to anything going on at the time of this post, but I have some catching up to do.)

[Voidedmafia]

Pass

Sorry, that's not one of your available options. Care to try again?

VOTE: Harakiri

I find the no submit + tiny auctions + trying to incriminate LB more scummy than Nero at this particular moment. This is my theory unless someone can prove LB scum.

Hara over Nero?

It was your work to do in the first place; interested in seeing your response.

No it isn't?

Also, because I'm terrible at this game and might have saved baldeagle-scum by starting a counterwagon on someone I'd second-guessed myself out of thinking was confirmed town.

Huh?

If people don't want to mass claim I'm good with lynching Nero Cain.

This should be a thing. Here, I'll do it regardless of whether or not it's been started already.

I have nothing. I've had nothing since I used EV N3.

Do you really think scumhunting is gonna be like "oh damn I forgot to submit for the night kill last night" when it ends up going for a dollar?

That would be a sad way to get caught (as believable as it is). I think that the mod error makes it more on the town side than scum side.

See... you and someone else has put out the theme "Why would we do this when people have called us town" thing. Well, thinking about it you COULDN'T have kept quiet over who you neighborized because you CLAIMED to have won it. As scum you know that it is both advantageous to neighborize the other team as well as how scummy it would look if you just claimed to have not neighborized anyone/not said anything about your neighborhood. Therefore you had to claim. Then came the bussing and all of that to help people not think you were both scum.

Why did you think they were town? I absolutely think they are scum.

So you're saying that scum held onto the N0 NK until N4 at the earliest, found Hara-Left (or w/e side), then neighborized them N5?

way to butcher that line

I don't even know what line he's butchering. Halp?

Vote: Nero

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Force a Nero lynch through because no one thinks twice about it. I mean I've been calling for him all game and only now people express interest. It stinks.

He's been on the lynchplate since, like, Day

two

. The only time he arguably wasn't was Day 4 (and I don't think I ever understood why Aces got lynched).

[Voidedmafia]

No. No he hasn't. It's just been me saying that he's scum and everyone ignoring. Probably because scum was setting up an endgame. Prolly because scum saw more viable mislynches and this town really isn't doing much.

So yeah. There are better targets. We're not losing because of this play.

N3? Yesterday?

And you're self-centered enough to ignore how Muffin and I've been calling him scum since Day 2?

[Voidedmafia]

Voided: why shouldn't it be eagles work?

Because the whole debacle began with Eagle demanding BB show why he suddenly townread UD and vice versa?

Also, Voided, I hate just about everything in your 4613. How does that make you feel? And we want actual bids, not just what roles you have.

Meh. The sheer amount of...non-usage, for lack of a better way to put it, has really dragged on my ability to care about what you think of my posts.

And I followed my part the plan to the letter.

That said, I REALLY don't like how people started piling up on Nero just as Muffin said, "Okay, let's start our massclaim now or never." At least Garuda is consistent in not caring much about one, but Voided's impatience (combined with hedging his bets a lot today) bugs me.

For the record, I've been advocating that Nero dies even after his governing. I'm just in the camp that says we massclaim BEFORE he dies, not after he dies. And I will unvote to that end, if necessary.

Voided, what's your read on ProHawk?

Null-scum.

Or are you just helpfully telling him how town Harakiri and I are despite the fact that you've also been sort of looking at us sideways now and then in your posts?

That sounds dumb.

And the person I'd thought was confirmed town earlier was Klick/Espeonage.

...Why was Esp conftown again?

Calling him scum is different than trying to push him though >.>

Muffin WAS pushing him all that time! So was I!

You just kinda petulantly whined about how Nero wasn't dead yet. That's

technically

pushing, but.

[Voidedmafia]

The fuck?

[Voidedmafia]

I refuse to lynch Harakiri. Period.

But..I'm confused. Why would scum double-gov. Nero?

I don't actually know what that means, but it sounded pretty insulting?

I didn't mean it to be, so apologies if you read it that way. My apathy levels have been abnormally (and abysmally) high as of late, not nearly enough to completely bore me of posting but enough that I'm only interested in what I post, not how I post it.

Klick offered to be quicklynched for the money (but then replaced out instead and so weakened that towntell), and Espeonage had the town slip (as well as some genuine-sounding posts upon replacement). Then I second-guessed myself out of that read because I thought everyone was town and Espeonage had some crappy erratic stances.

I see very solid town, but not conftown.

Sounds like someone else I know... AHEM!

Incorrect. I haven't been near being lynched since D3, and have only minimally been a lynch prospect D5 (and somewhat D4). Nero, on the other hand, has effectively NEVER left since mhork, muffin, and I casts suspicion on him D2.

Okay. He makes this strong stance on me being scum. After a huge showing, he actually admits he thinks I'm town.

I'm obviously a mislynch waiting to happen, what is the benefit in doing an awkward switch like that?

It just seemed town.

What makes it that and not, say, UD-scum deciding you're not a mislynch worth pursuing?

[Voidedmafia]

Why would he not decide that midway through the 1v1 shit

Wouldn't deciding to call you town in the middle of 1v1ing you completely undermine the entire premise of doing that in the first place?

[Voidedmafia]

Yeah, at this point, there's no possible anyone can doubt that Nero is...

Pardon me for sounding stupid/confused, but what is the point in scum governing him TWICE? Unless they REALLY don't need him anymore (or this is the last day and it doesn't matter what we do, for whatever reason), doesn't that put too much of a target on Nero's back?

Really? Well, damn. I guess I should go back in time and vote Espeonage AGAIN. Because he wasn't conftown, only very solid town.

That was not a belittlement of your votes, only questioning the strength of your read. Why did you read it that way, anyways?

(I thought "non-usage" was your way of saying I was useless and my opinion of you irrelevant or something, Voided.)

I was referring more to the NKs and lynches, actually.

Why not Harakiri?

Let's assume Nero's town. Considering the scenario at the time was that Harakiri was building up to be the next wagon, if Nero's town doesn't that kinda mean that Hara's the wagon scum wants us to pick?

I still don't understand what happened with that babbling about Mod errors 'cause no one really explained that as far as I know.

I'm voting him for not submitting and then for NK going for a dollar. It looks like he failed to do the buying for the mafia that was going for the purchases.

A.) LB went for NK for a dollar, not hara
B.) The error was that Magua messed up Hara's bids, or something like that.

The two best things Nero-scum can do for his team are bus buddies and hammer townies. Nero being on a wagon automatically poisons it; surely you don't think he's dumb enough to realize that his presence on a wagon ruins everyone else's interpretation of it, especially taking into account how Eagle/Espeonage was resolved.

So the question is if our reads on the voted overrides any caution of Nero voting it, eh?

[Voidedmafia]

Ghostly penguin wagon isnt that exciting either. Voided, who are you thinking of voting?

Vote: Lost Butterfly

Also, someone please explain why double gov. = Nero confscum to this poor, addled man?

[Voidedmafia]

:goodposting:

Are you dolts seriously lynching me? Like, wtf???????

Sarcasm?

You realize the only possible reason why Nero would be governed twice as town (saving him for the LYLO mislynch because today is no longer MYLO) means I'm confirmed town, right?

Uh...no? Personal problems may be screwing with my memory of the game, and the analysis about leaving him alive sounds plausible, but I don't recall there being a correlation between the governings and your conftowniness.

Also, that Nero's "HAHAHAHAHAHA" came before you asked this?

Fair point, I guess, but the idea of a double-govern doesn't strike me as a viable scum option.

"Really, you called Espeonage confirmed town in a throwaway comment expressing voter's remorse? Well, you're wrong! He wasn't confirmed town at all, and you should have thought he was only SOLID town at earlier on."

Voter's remorse at how you should've seen the signs that he's town is one thing, but acting like he should've been conftown at that point after you already know he's town due to his flip is another. What does griping at me in regards to your incorrect usage of read strength accomplish for you?

I'd understand if you suspected me for 180-ing on a townread, despite the fact that I'm pretty obviously town at this point and none of my play makes any sense whatsoever for scum unless I'm deliberately trying to make the game harder for myself as a challenge, but for overstating how town I'd found the player who I'd voted (for which the scum motivation is...um...making my turnaround look worse)?

Well, apologies that my hyperbole sensor is haywire, but...Did I say that was why I voted you?

As you know, LB, I advertised in Market Analyst the night before. Then I saw Mhork(I think?) Do well with his cast a wide net strategy the night before and tried to do the same thing.

It clearly didn't work. I went for Messenger and Wage Freeze specifically because they were useful and in Messenger's case I initially intended to 'go along' with the plan but tell Morph or Pyrotechnics or someone I trusted that I wasn't secretly. Instead we did the claiming thing and I kinda said fuck it.

This feels like a cop-out.

See LB, its these crazy lets use the game mechanics to clear people/scum hunt that just makes me think you are scum.

...Logic, plz?

Because I actually have reasons for calling Voided town. You guys were like "he's town lolz". Literally at the same time.

when was the last time UD called me town in the past 3 days? Even if you're talking about something prior to D2-3, why're you asking UD a question like this?

[Voidedmafia]

Because I literally cannot care any less and no one seems too eager to snuff out Hara. In fact we could just have LB shoot him. That could work.

LB wouldn't and won't shoot Hara, and I agree.

holy frijole are eagle and prohawk ever giving me the williesI am very confident baldeagle is scum.

I'm in agreement re ProHawk, less so on Eagle. I see how you would be concerned, but I don't see a complete bereftness of town feeling.

So, you guys don't give a fuck whether confirmed scum is on my wagon and that he is barely pushing it? Yeah, uwop is scum and I feel less happy about Hara.

On the one hand, this is stupid. On the other, is this stupid in a scum way? I'm not sure.

I don't think it's scum-stupid. Sounds too frustrated about the described predicament.

Only way to play in the face of imminent doom.

Your interpretation, not mine. And I followed the plan.

Your way of playing right now isn't doing any better than mine, yknow that, right?

Unvote

*adds one to the "Voided quote strips completely unrelated to scumhunting" tally*

Pardon me if I didn't catch the drippingly obvious sarcasm. <_<.

The "correlation" is that the only reason scum would govern the same town player twice is to set him up to be lynched in LYLO. If I were scum (OR if scum had a NK in reserve), today would be MYLO. They would never govern a mislynch in MYLO.

Okay, that makes sense.

For Nero-scum? For Nero-town? For both? Where are you heading with this? The most obvious reason he would is because he's scum, and therefore, scum don't want him lynched. Or are you arguing that town governed Nero?

Just in general, really. The same kind of argument that was presented yesterday still applies, only it's riskier for scum now because of how much room the back-to-back lynches would give us after bringing it so close.

But really, Governing him once, as what happened yesterday, makes sense; governing him

twice

just makes me so damn confused about why that the more likely thing to me is Nero-town being defended from behind the scenes.

Firstly, he's talking about UD and BBmolla, not UD and you.

Then what the hell does Eagle's new townread on me have to do with anything in this particular debate because IIRC that's what this whole thing started with?! Unless the 2nd sentence is supposed to be a completely different subject matter, I fail to see why it's NOT about me.

Nero is scum, but here are these statements expressing doubt,

As I said, the double-govern has thrown me in that regard.

Harakiri is town but here are these other leading questions to them,

I believe I mentioned how I refuse to lynch Harakiri today because regardless of Nero's alignment (and the confusion therein) the govern certainly felt like it was leading to a Harakiri lynch.

, LB is scum but here are these leading questions to people like ProHawk who suspect them.

Even though I had a brief fit of paranoia over you (to which your outburst at ProHawk was the exact kind of reaction to squash that), that doesn't mean I'm not going to call ridiculous avenues of attack for what they are. ProHawk's reasoning for calling you scum as of late is just retarded and stupid, pure and simple.

Vote: Baldeagle

I hereby refuse to vote LB or Harakiri today (and LB for however much of this game that remains--freely rescind any townreads on me if I do so without good reason). I most likely will not vote muffin or Garuda or Mhork (especially muffin), and while the Baldeagle lynch is fine, I think I'd prefer ProHawk over Bald.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, without making an annoying wall of one-liner quote with commentary, tell me from what changed your read of LB from scum to refusal to vote in about 100 posts.

No. Read, don't ask for the TL;DR because I more often than not I won't give it.

@Voided:When did your reads turn to shit?

idk. Why are you so retardedly stubborn about not lynching Eagle and why have you really stopped caring enough to try harder?

Wage Freeze?!? They must be town.

NOW you're being fucktarded.

Garuda, can we all just vote Bald and be done for the day, then?

[Voidedmafia]

This is also a surprising question coming from someone who was getting paranoid of my attempts to quicklynch Nero.

There's a difference between voting to quicklynch someone immediately at the start of the day and voting to (quick)lynch someone after most of the day has passed and we've done everything we care to do at the time. The former serves no purpose, especially when there were things that should've been done before anyone was lynched (even if one of them never happened). With the latter there is at least some way of making a better informed decision, and in context without something like, say, the person(s) who double-governed Nero outing him/her/themselves the most that's delaying the lynch is our inability to finalize one.

The idea of me being confirmed scum is absolutely ludacris. My role pm is green so unless the mod made a mistake them I'm town.

That is a horrible argument.

also, "ludicrous." Ludacris is the stage name of a rapper.

Do you see why the beginning of this post and the end (as well as your eagerness for us to quicklynch eagle right now without more deliberation) don't fit together? Particularly since you'd been in the "Don't quicklynch Nero before massclaim!" camp, like Garuda said.

By all means, talk some more if you feel like there's stuff still worth talking about, but my mind has hit the point of going "fuck this, let's just get this done with". Eagle or Pro, or whatever, but pick somebody from those two (or I suppose Penguin) and stick with it.

Also, saying that D5 and during the first couple RL days of D6 before anyone had really vocalized anything about a massclaim in the thread is a different scenario than saying it after the idea of a massclaim has been bandied around and largely ignored and people haved talked. Notably because it

was

talked about and people

talked

, as opposed to Garuda's idea of foregoing any talking or idea-sharing in favor of lynching the shit out of Nero. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the most I'd be doing by getting Eagle lynched now is...I guess not allowing everyone the last word before what may be the last day of this game? And I suppose a couple conundrums you or anyone else has that may not be properly covered/cleared up postgame.

Also, your "brief fit of paranoia" seemed completely out of nowhere and unsubstantiated by anything you actually mentioned in the thread.

'Twas largely late-night bathroom paranoia, if that makes any sense. I can explain if it doesn't.

I mean, if you think the eagle lynch is not the optimal one, why are you eager for it to happen right now?

Eagle or Pro are the optimal lynches to me, I'd just prefer if Pro went before Eagle.

Townie wins night kill for $1 against a scum that seems to organize competently and happens to be investigated to have bought the night kill is a weird as fuck situation. Why did you do it? So Mhork has an excuse for having less money than he has/a registered action and so you get the "oh, I have the night kill but we still have time" cred. One situation seems a hell of a lot likelier than the other.

is that "and" supposed to be an "or" or did you accidentally the other situation? This quote doesn't make much sense since you only mention one possibility (and one that I think Mina-scum would be absolutely pants-on-head retarded to try given the hydra's position in the game).

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: Voided

...Why should I even bother...?

Voided, why do you think Mina-scum would be dumb to do what she's doing this game?

Because she's pissed off at this game and just wants it over like some of us do, probably?

That'd be my first guess. The 2nd would probably be along the lines of having the same kind of paranoia about me that I had about her (not literally late-night bathroom paranoia, but yknow). It's not like when Eagle was scumreading me for 4 days straight, though, that much is for sure.

Hmmm.

I tried to lie to you in order to elicit a townie reaction such as "what the fuck are you talking about?" or "well, that's weird as shit". Instead, you figured out the actual setup from my bullshitting somehow.

So Penguin's stupid, but probly shouldn't be voted.

*thumbs-up*

Vote: 1baldeagle1

I won't vote Voided to prevent a no lynch but I will vote this.

I'd rather you do that than anything ( if only to make certain people shut the fuck up about me being scum)

I'm not quite sure penguin_alien is a good idea because I bought her explanation for the townslip (not so much that it's impossible to fake, but that she bothered to check the OP and was even on the verge of voting Garuda).

This sums up how I feel about penguin from that exchange. The part about "almost voting Garuda" is extra, mind, but I can see the sense in that being town motivated.

Fuck it, don't even care anymore. My hands are washed of this decision, I wanna MARATHON.

Vote: VoidedMafia

Nacho. Son. I am disappoint.

Very,

VERY

disappoint.

You think LB is scum based off that quickhammer?

dafuq?

LB can you shoot nero tonight?

lynch Nero tomorrow, shoot eagle/Garuda tonight. If there's a tomorrow Nero's most likely a guaranteed scumlynch so we'll already be staving off a loss.

I really want LB to shoot tonight, though, because I DON'T want her NK to go to waste because scum use their unused shoot to kill her tonight and remove any foreign variables. Of course, I won't blame her if her shot is entirely not what we want (but I will sadface if it costs us), but I implore you, Mina, use it.

if that was game over (and LB's latest post looks incredibly fake so it's entirely possible), then we lost because this town didn't give a shit and there were too many stupid fucking deadline lynches (and i feel a little bad for not pushing the nero lynch in a stronger way earlier on)i'm guessing it's like nero, LB, garuda, PA, +1? bbM?

I'm not seeing the LB-scum correlation, so switch her with Eagle.

And I'm honestly sketchy about adding BB because part me feels like he's just...well,

weird

to place, if you feel me. I just don't know...

But anyway, Garuda is town.

Uuhh...suuuuure...?

Nice scum-theater guys! Why aren't we killing Voided?

[intentionalfluff]Eagle, meet your new clone.

New Eagle clone, say hi to Eagle.

Now shut the fuck up and play in the kiddy pool until the big boys are finished.[/intentionalfluff]

On a more serious note, not liking how insistent he's starting to become. Moreso since it's coming off the heels of doing the same for LB (regardless of whether or not that still exists).

Yeah, eagle isn't getting lynched today, Nat.

VOTE: Voidedmafia

Wait, what, why?

PEDIT: Shaddup Quil, I know you're salivating now that it's finally happening since D3. You're still wrong.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not quilford how dare you

N, Quil, no difference.

VOTE: voided MafiaVOTE:

it's a Christmas miracle!

...

My main regret is that life kept me from truly getting involved in this game.

And no, you didn't fucking hammer scum.

[Voidedmafia]

god i wish people just lynched the fuck out nero D2 instead of calling him town for meta reasons all game

Me, too.

I have a few ideas to who I want to shoot based on how that all went down. The problem is deciding how predictable a shot to go for.

All I ask is that you use it. If you're still alive come D7 (assuming it comes), you can give me dirty looks postgame since IIRC you don't really want to shoot.

I'm playing marathon games, and saw your reaction was adequately town.

That (and the post right below this) doesn't explain why you unvoted?

nacho's scum

Sad, but looking increasingly likely.

town:
LB
Muffin

not town like the above but not people I'd prefer to see lynched:
Mhork
Harakiri
Molla

In between both categories/I wouldn't really care seeing them lynched, but not a priority:
UD
I suppose anyone else I haven't mentioned.

lynch soon:
ProHawk
Eagle
Nero
Garuda

Good night, everyone. Both in-game and in real life.

And LB, let's just say the problem I had with this game has little to do with the problems I'm having now (though they do overlap). It's something I should've recognized before I joined so I could've stopped myself and just watched, but oh well.

[Voidedmafia]

I think you mean Voided 's quote strip walls were inherently anti-town.

The way that my (or anyone's posts) are outlined is not inherenetly biased toward one alignment or the other. The CONTENT (and context) is and can be, obviously, but just making one long post of quotes is no more anti-town than multiple posts with 1-2 quotes each.

No arguments if you think it's annoying as fuck, though. (and as I've said, I hate doing it as much as people hate looking at it. I simply don't always have the time for shorter posts.)

Such grievances aside, I will fully admit I probably never really pulled my weight this game. LB and Muffin, at least, deserve their victories, and I should've done more to help KA. But, I figure this is just as good a time to try (

TRY

) to take a break, retire, etc. for a time. It doesn't help that I'm normally working the night shifts, which pretty much automatically puts me at odds with everyone else who DOESN'T have free time in the mornings/early afternoon, which keeps me behind and not always up-to-date on things, which leads to me having to frequently comment on things after they've happened or are actually relevant, and also feeds into me having to do those huge-ass quote walls (Seriously, in MMII I had to wade through TWELVE PAGES one time), and that doesn't help anyone.

As interesting as Mafia is, I was planning on taking a break once this game was done, nevermind that personal issues/problems are also inhibiting my drive to play (fuckups as a mod don't help, either <_<). I still did enjoy this game, though not to the extent I wanted to. I also, unfortunately, don't really have many comments about the game itself (other than to really just say "SUCK IT, BALDEAGLE/MOLLA/PROHAWK (BUT MAINLY BALD), I WASN'T SCUM!" but beyond saying that right there that's unnecessarily immature <_<).

...So. Good game, good work scum, etc., and g'bye for a time. Mayhaps I can come back in t he summertime or so, or just mod a 13- game off and on when I feel I'm ready for it, but don't expect me to join any games in the near future.

[Voidedmafia]

I mean, the most activity I'll probably do before that point is update my wiki with the games I've modded and get through all the finished mafia games I need to finish reading.

[Voidedmafia]

oh, voided, if you find quote strips effective that's fine - but i'd suggest people tend to find them scummy as it looks (and tends to lead to) nitpicky type responses. tbh I only skimmed most of your posts looking for my name a lot, because I felt it was enough, tryng to make shorter posts/more general points in a paragraph summary would probably be more effective at getting people to read (and maybe town read idk? i didn't think you were scummy here, but i think your playtstyle tends to lend to looking a bit sketchy)

I think I've kinda lost that art, eh? Or at least I never really worked on making general points in a summary, or something like that <_<.

Though, as I said, this was a style born of necessity. Undoubtedly I may have to post like that again (though hopefully only when I'm honestly unable to reach the game in time for a particularly active moment), but I want to ensure I will be able to have the time to play a game and the drive to do so first.

I honestly deserve a "HAH I WAS TOWN MOLLA" from you.

I don't understand why my gut kept telling me you were scum.

It wasn't my posting style, was it (as in the quote walls)?

Was it the way I sounded, perhaps? I was trying to say what I meant to say, or something like that.

[Voidedmafia]

Honestly not sure, it was probably something dumb like your attitude or something

...could be that, too...

[Voidedmafia]

think about what you're responding to, what you're responding with, and if you can cut it out without losing anything of value, cut it out. that was the biggest problem i would have had with your posts this game if i were town - so much unnecessary commentary and questions

I suppose the banter and such could be cut out, but I can assure that most of the things I asked or commented about that didn't clearly fall into the fluff category were meant to go somewhere. I'd either run into my oft-met foe of differing activity times (which make my replies necessary yet unnecessarily redundant, if that makes sense); have the train of thought not go the way I wanted it to either because I worded something poorly or the answers given just didn't help me; completely lose why I said what I did and then have to abandon it; or say something, get something decent out of it, but either I or the person I'm talking with would have to leave and by the time either of us returned the thread had advanced so that the topic wasn't exactly relevant--and that usually was my fault.

I get the idea you're trying to present, it just never felt like an adequate way to do things given my situation. Clearly, I was wrong. (It didn't help that my motivation to post in the later stages was at a big low, which added more pages in than it should've at a time when I could've actually had only 3-5 quotes per posts.)

plus it's detrimental to the gamestate, generally. people see 20 new pages and think "yeah i don't have time for this" and replace out.

So long as the result is because of those 2-3 people belting out replies better suited for a couple wallposts and not, say, two people having a heated discussion on one topic that can be contained in just one or two quotes but lasts for a couple pages (like, say, the 1v1 with BB and UD or something like that), I completely agree with this sentiment.

there is a not-so-fine line between being concise with 3-5 quotes in a single post and what voided was doing in this game. the former is a style i try to use, and a style i much prefer to single quote posting

i think my posts are readable

*shrug*

They are.