Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

BRO what the hell. I'm a dayvig not executioner. where the hell'd you get the idea that I'm executioner? o-o

[pieguyn]

o. executioner != dayvig though. afaik executioner is just a role that can immediately lynch someone with half the required votes, which isn't the same as dayvig 0.0

also, 200 posts on D1. I'm damn proud of myself o/

[pieguyn]

WAYNE WHAT THE HELL
I FUCKING SHOT SSK
DON'T YOU FUCKING MISREP ME

[pieguyn]

Why?

you're the one who said you'd forget your reads if you read the whole thread. keeping notes should serve to help you keep track of everything, right? @_@

[pieguyn]

huh

flavor cop is a weak enough role and so I don't get why it'd be 1-shot to make it even more weak @A@

given the only 1-shot role so far has been a dayvig aka me (relatively strong role), and we already have a flipped VT. not sure here

[pieguyn]

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

[pieguyn]

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

vote: waynegg

[pieguyn]

I don't give a shit what he said

here's why

Cabd. I'm night 2 on watcher. Now are you?

claims watcher

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Sounds like a scum role. Like role cop. For a flavor intensive game.

doesn't say he's not a cop

what the hell

[pieguyn]

uh
holy wow

[pieguyn]

why haven't we speedlynched wayne yet

[pieguyn]

.....what the fuck
you seriously have nothing to say?

[pieguyn]

no
I mean responding to how you claimed watcher, but then didn't correct me when I said you're cop.

is no one seeing how wayne blatantly lied

[pieguyn]

i didn't even understand what your point was until just now rofl

do you actually think that means anything?

well yeah it means his watcher claim was fake and that's why he didn't correct me when I said he was cop

how could it mean anything else

[pieguyn]

I don't give a shit what he said

here's why

Cabd. I'm night 2 on watcher. Now are you?

claims watcher

wayne why aren't you more skeptical of a flavor cop claim? considering you're a "vanilla on N1 cop from N2 on" 0.0

Sounds like a scum role. Like role cop. For a flavor intensive game.

doesn't say he's not a cop

what the hell

all you people need to explain why you haven't quicklynched him yet

[pieguyn]

are you claiming scum or what

hint: if you were trying to draw a NK you'd make sure your claim is consistent and not let people know that your claim might be false

[pieguyn]

and that strategy is bullshit anyway because you might make the real PR counterclaim

[pieguyn]

604 Varsoon claims doctor

644 you claim

afaik 644 > 604

nice try, scumfuck

[pieguyn]

wayne the answer is in the exact fkin post you quoted

[pieguyn]

yeah no quit reaching

wayne is scum and needs to be lynched asap

[pieguyn]

when you obviously weren't reading enough to see that Varsoon said he fullclaimed before you in the exact post you quoted, when in the exact post he quoted in the exact post you quoted, you say that only scum doesn't need to read

yeah I'm done

[pieguyn]

wayne, BRO, TNE scumteam of the year 2013?

[pieguyn]

hi Cabd didn't ffery want you to definitely sort wayne

or was the result that you wanted to policy lynch him

[pieguyn]

TNE get the fuck in here and post something

[pieguyn]

hi Cabd didn't ffery want you to definitely sort wayne

or was the result that you wanted to policy lynch him

He sorted Wayne. His exact words were "lynch the scumfuck".

holy wow

[pieguyn]

quit reaching

[pieguyn]

holy fuck

if there was anything in there I didn't read it

[pieguyn]

TNE just went offline without a post

you broke my heart TNE </3

[pieguyn]

I was doing important shit yesterday for 30 minutes.

Let's do wayne tomorrow

Vote BRO today

no

move your vote on wayne ASAP

if you don't want to, then read everything you missed and explain why you think he's somehow NOT scum

[pieguyn]

<3

and he made a post in this thread 12 minutes ago

[pieguyn]

L-4
me, morph, and ghost penguin are on him atm

[pieguyn]

zmuffin why aren't you voting wayne

[pieguyn]

in all my completed games here, I've never lynched a mafia before

if I'm wrong on this I'm flipping a table over ._.

I would have accepted it if he just said he didn't notice I said he was cop. mb its playstyle but I would have just said that if it's was the case @_@

[pieguyn]

get me a table T.T

[pieguyn]

vote: BROs

[pieguyn]

[7]

waynegg

(

pieguyn

, Morph the Cat, Ghostly Penguin, thenewearth, BROseidon,

Varsoon

, Psychlone)
[2] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, mastin2)
[1] thenewearth (Mac)

[2] Not Voting (ArcAngel9, waynegg)

I'm thinking 2 scum in there. I'm town, Varsoon was town. wayne himself was town.

[6] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, thenewearth, mastin2, Psychlone,

Varsoon

,

waynegg

)
[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon,

pieguyn

)

[2] Not Voting (ArcAngel9, Morph the Cat)

BRO's wagon is looking really damn town driven, indicating TNE's wagon is mostly scum driven.

morph and BRO are not scum together. if that's the case, her vote on wayne would probably be towards saving BRO, but she was all in on riding the BRO wagon till wayne popped up, so I don't think she was trying to save BRO here. that conditionally clears morph as long as BRO is scum

that leaves one scum in {TNE, GP, giffycho}. probably it's GP considering said TNE wagon, and it also accounts for BRO's massive townread on GP.

[5] MafiaSSK (zMuffinMan, BROseidon, Psychlone, thezmon221, Morph the Cat)
[2] BROseidon (thenewearth, mastin2)
[2]

pieguyn

(

Varsoon

, Mac)
[1] Morph the Cat (

waynegg

)
[1] thenewearth (

pieguyn

)

not sure if SSK wagon looks scum driven or not. there could be another scum on there besides BRO but not sure atm

[pieguyn]

are you sure

[pieguyn]

oh wow. you think it's alignment indicative?

with those wagons, I can't see BRO being town and TNE being scum. if we flip BRO and TNE, we look for another scum on the BRO wagon. tho I could see BRO and TNE both scum and TNE trying to bus BRO...

[pieguyn]

what the fuck is nitori doing in imperishable night, anyway?

^ that

I thought she was voting BRO and only unvoted cause you put him at L-1. am I missing something 0.0

[pieguyn]

oh my god sry I keep fkin thinking you put him at L-1 > <

have to go now be back later

[pieguyn]

I didn't becuz you guys never waited for me to finish. So I didn't bother to read.

you still have today to read. get to it :>

also Mac already explained is vote on TNE. it wasn't specific but he even said he'd give a specific one later. chainsaw much?

[pieguyn]

why can't he suspect more than person?

I was townreading BRO on D1 but his claim is fkin terrible, and VCA leads me to think he's scum.

[pieguyn]

@AA9:

why can't he suspect more than person?

[pieguyn]

Mac said he was neighborized by TNE

plz quit dodging my question. why do you think Mac can't suspect both you and TNE?

[pieguyn]

ARCANGEL

why is it scummy that Mac said you might be the D2 lynch, and then voted TNE? I don't see what you're thinking. what's wrong with him having multiple people he wants to lynch?

[pieguyn]

VOTE: Mac

Explan your vote.

if you don't think he's scum then what's up with that vote?

[pieguyn]

Haven't heard of term called "Pressure Vote" ???

why are you pressuring someone if you think they're town?

[pieguyn]

...what the fuck

now that I'm back home, let me just say something.

@BRO:

how the hell can you tell alignment from a

FLAVOR COP

result? that alone makes me question your result, since I don't see how that's possible.

@AA9:

nope, I only had one shot @_@

[pieguyn]

@Mac:

I could see TNE just derping around the whole night. seems like something he'd do as town or scum. so I'm not sure on him atm, especially if BRO flips scum

[pieguyn]

ohok

now can we be sure that BRO isn't just pulling a gambit to score a mislynch, since he was more than likely going to get lynched anyway?

[pieguyn]

like I don't see how a flavor cop is a town role in this setup. we already had a watcher, and there was a big fkin warning saying not to flavor claim. > <

[pieguyn]

no there's only 10 alive. it'd be 5-3 MyLo with a BRO autolynch, that happens and then it's 4-2 MyLo. either way it's still MyLo

[pieguyn]

and I seriously can't see how a 1-shot flavor cop is a good idea in a setup where bork explicitly said it was a bad thing for people to know flavor knowledge. IMO the situation of scum getting some benefit if they know someone's flavor is the most likely.

[pieguyn]

wayne this is why it's better to just be honest about shit like this as town

[pieguyn]

I still think my VCA seems pretty accurate

that BRO wagon took forever and then everyone just jumped on wayne when that wagon started taking off. I get a totally different vibe from the two wagons there.

inb4 both BRO and AA9 are scum and they're just mindfucking the shit out of all of us

[pieguyn]

if you did a 180 on BRO, do you still think his push on BRO is bad?

[pieguyn]

so you see scum-TNE making a bad push on scum-BRO as a possibility?

[pieguyn]

yeah I think the TNE/BRO bus makes a lot of sense

it would explain why the hell it seemed everyone on both wagons immediately jumped on wayne too

[pieguyn]

I'm almost certain there's at least 2 scum on it

see: my VCA post 1928

[pieguyn]

wow all this and that's all you have to say

[pieguyn]

vote: BROs

that's hammer ~
gg

[pieguyn]

wow you seem really conscious of how many votes are on you

and you didn't even say anything when wayne pulled a fakehammer on Varsoon and ended up outing the doctor

yeah I don't buy this

[pieguyn]

wow you seem really conscious of how many votes are on you

and you didn't even say anything when wayne pulled a fakehammer on Varsoon and ended up outing the doctor

yeah I don't buy this

You mean when I wasn't online? Wat?

And no, I had to count.

If you really believe fakehammer gambits are bad you should have at least had some response to wayne doing that and outing the doctor. which I assume you would have expressed in your next post. but here's your next post

Also, we can add the gratuitous amounts of

unprompted

self meta to why you're scum.

that part pinged so hard for me it alone made me question my townread on him

it seemed like he was conscious of what's scummy and what's not, and wanted to emphasize that this was different than his use of self meta to avoid getting called out for it

I'm still townreading him though cause this seems like a really personal thing, but I wanna look at him again

Self-metas in response to someone misrepping meta, gets called scummy for it.

Points out when someone else's use of self meta is actually scummy, gets called scummy for it.

wtf I can't win.

VOTE: TNE

in b4 someone says I'm sheeping when I've stated multiple times that I'm fine with a TNE lynch.

[pieguyn]

uhhhhhh

i don't know how to tell you this but

[pieguyn]

let me just check to make sure I didn'tfk up

[pieguyn]

[6] BROseidon (pieguyn, zMuffinMan, ArcAngel9, mastin2, Psychlone, morph the cat)

hurry up morph

[pieguyn]

@morph:

why TNE scum?

[pieguyn]

how sure are you about Psychlone town?

[pieguyn]

what the hell

but I was gonna was gonna instavote TNE ;w; speedwagons are so much fun if they're on scum ~

but that mastin kill is weird 0.0 I'm gonna have to go look at it again

[pieguyn]

I'm assuming AA9 is town for now, even though she hasn't flipped

[5]

MafiaSSK

(zMuffinMan,

BROseidon

, Psychlone,

thezmon221

,

Morph the Cat

)
[2]

BROseidon

(thenewearth,

mastin2

)
[2]

pieguyn

(

Varsoon

, Mac)
[1]

Morph the Cat

(

waynegg

)
[1] thenewearth (

pieguyn

)

[2] Not Voting (

MafiaSSK

, Ghostly Penguin)

------------------

[6]

BROseidon

(zMuffinMan, thenewearth,

mastin2

, Psychlone,

Varsoon

,

waynegg

)
[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac,

BROseidon

,

pieguyn

)

[2] Not Voting (

ArcAngel9

,

Morph the Cat

)

------------------

[5]

BROseidon

(zMuffinMan, thenewearth,

mastin2

, Psychlone,

Varsoon

)
[3] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac,

BROseidon

)
[2]

waynegg

(

pieguyn

,

Morph the Cat

)

[2] Not Voting (

ArcAngel9

,

waynegg

)

------------------

[7]

waynegg

(

pieguyn

,

Morph the Cat

, Ghostly Penguin, thenewearth,

BROseidon

,

Varsoon

, Psychlone)
[2]

BROseidon

(zMuffinMan,

mastin2

)
[1] thenewearth (Mac)

[2] Not Voting (

ArcAngel9

,

waynegg

)

------------------

[6]

BROseidon

(

pieguyn

, zMuffinMan,

ArcAngel9

,

mastin2

, Psychlone,

Morph the Cat

)
[1]

ArcAngel9

(

BROseidon

)
[1] thenewearth (Mac)

[2] Not Voting (Ghostly Penguin, thenewearth)

@EVERYONE: who do you think bussed BRO? if no one, why do you think that's the case? note theres only 2 people left (zmuffin/giffycho)

shoot-from-the-hip NK analysis indicates Mac is scum. he's been on TNE the whole time too. honestly, I think TNE derping around all night in the neighbor chat is more of a towntell than anything, and at worst null. plus, why would TNE-scum neighborize Mac who's been on him pretty much the whole game? that'd practically be a death wish. I don't see it.

I'm also eyeing giffycho for being on every single significant wagon. and what a coincidence, mastin was on giffycho too

something of note, on the wayne wagon, ALL the mafia are necessarily voting. the same thing with the votecount where it was just BRO vs TNE. again shooting from the hip, I'd guess one mafia on both wagons. if we intersect the BRO wagon there with his lynch wagon we might get the scum who's bussing BRO, but that just gives both zmuffin and giffycho again so that doesn't tell us shit.

neither GP nor TNE got any posts in at all on D2. I'd like to hear some content from them ASAP.

vote: giffycho

[pieguyn]

hell now that I think about it I had a slight scumlean on giffycho for most of D1 since they weren't really pushing anyone at all. it was practically the same thing TNE accused BRO of doing, just sitting there and commentating on stuff. I know I noticed someone who was accusing someone for not pushing on people who conveniently left out giffycho who was doing the same thing. brb finding out who it was

[pieguyn]

well shit that was TNE and he was using it on BRO who flipped scum

never mind that then @_@

[pieguyn]

yeah I'm fairly certain of TNE-town now. the front end of his wagon was scum-driven, and I don't see scum bussing TNE as a counterwagon to someone who is scum anyway.

town
7. pieguyn
9. thenewearth
10. ArcAngel9

null
2. Ghostly Penguin
13. zMuffinMan

scum
3. Mac
8. Psychlone

[pieguyn]

unless scum were absent during the day (e.g. GP, TNE and kinda mac since he didn't really post after the very beginning of the day), what do you think the point of BRO's 1v1 with AA9 was?

probably to score a mislynch on his way out, since if he succeeds it'd be 5-3 MyLo, and then 4-2 MyLo once we lynch him. I get the feeling scum was certain he'd be lynched anyway, and so he did something ridiculous just to at least have a chance to do something.

[4]

Varsoon

(Mac,

pieguyn

,

morph the cat

,

waynegg

)
[3]

BROseidon

(zMuffinMan,

mastin2

, thenewearth)
[2]

mastin2

(Psychlone,

BROseidon

)
[1] Mac (

Varsoon

)

[2] Not Voting (Ghostly Penguin,

thezmon221

)

not much to see there. varsoon wagon was pretty damn town. then whether mac is town or not is equivalent to whether varsoon's wagon was completely town driven.

[5] MafiaSSK (zMuffinMan, BROseidon, Psychlone, thezmon221, Morph the Cat)

if AA9 is town here, it wouldn't surprise me if there's no other scum on this wagon. i was kind of in agreement with mastin's analysis here that it's far more likely scum wanted to avoid this wagon like the plague and not dirty their hands.

[7] waynegg (pieguyn, Morph the Cat, Ghostly Penguin, thenewearth, BROseidon, Varsoon, Psychlone)

no way in hell this was a town-driven counter-wagon. if there's only one more scum here, it's likely one of GP and TNE. i really disliked the way both of them hopped onto this wagon.

who do you think bussed BRO? if no one, why do you think that's the case?

if AA9 is scum, then that answers this question. if she's town, then i dunno. the day went pretty quick. if 2 of {mac, GP, TNE} are scum, then they didn't really have the opportunity to bus

why didn't you mention giffycho at all here?

why would TNE-scum neighborize Mac who's been on him pretty much the whole game?

why would TNE-town do that?

I have an answer, but rather than outing it I prefer to wait for TNE.

[pieguyn]

now that I look, you've never explained your townread on giffycho anywhere

explain plz

also, why do you think we should massclaim today?

the thing is, that was likely not happening without support from his partners, so where do you think his partners were in all this?

probably at least one was playing wait-and-see, or they weren't even here. either that or they all bussed him just to fk with us. regardless it was a gambit that wasn't guaranteed to work and even despite all this AA9's reaction read town as fuck

not to mention you had mentioned thez's reaction to my fake shot was town. was it really just paranoia on AA9 that changed your opinion on the slot?

here's another question: do you think what BRO did yesterday was off the cuff or planned?

i think it was planned

planned for sure. I can't see shit like that not being planned in some way o.o

[pieguyn]

what don't you like about them?

they've been commenting on stuff, but they haven't actually been pushing people trying to obtain new information. also, they've been on almost every major wagon (every single one besides varsoon, and the mastin wagon was a major thing at that time too)

the timing of their jump onto BRO also matches the theory that one of the partners was playing wait-and-see o-o

[pieguyn]

why did you decide on D1 that wayne should be left till D2?

I couldn't find it, but I might have missed it >_<

[pieguyn]

i think a lot of them not "pushing" people comes from their lack of activity

yeah that's the other thing. both are active elsewhere, so I don't understand their inactivity here. for me it'd make a lot of sense if the inactivity was due to them rolling scum 0.0

is this referring to when i tried to derail the wayne wagon after BRO claimed flavour cop?

no, I mean around the time of your massive interaction with wayne you said somewhere you didn't want to deal with him on that day, after being completely all in on lynching him. tho you trying to derail the wayne wagon was what made me think about this in the first place, since when the opportunity to lynch him did come up you didn't take it.

[pieguyn]

I know for a fact both GIF and Nacho are active elsewhere though.

btw

what is your read on tne? and would you be willing to switch to the tne wagon?

thing is, if i wasn't reading BRO as scum, i'd probably be reading TNE as scum.

the initial like i had for TNE's play has long since faded and if BRO actually is town then TNE's contributions to the game so far amount to nothing but tunneling BRO and... nothing else i can really remember. but i don't think TNE is scum with BRO, and my read on BRO is stronger than my read on TNE.

@mastin,

where does your read on morph come from?

where'd the flip flop on TNE come from?

[pieguyn]

TNE and I know each other, so probably his jump on wayne had smth to do with me saying he broke my heart </3

until then he seemed to be all in on riding the BRO wagon, and the only other vote until he jumped on wayne was that of GP.

anyway, I'm too tired to think straight right now. night ww

[pieguyn]

what changed your read on TNE?

[pieguyn]

TNE what are your current thoughts

[pieguyn]

That I told you that I'm right about BRO

On a more serious note

VOTE: Mac

care to explain why Mac?

[pieguyn]

what the hell

are you sure your neighborizer is permanent and not just for 1 night only? 0.0

[pieguyn]

I'm confused

I trust you know what you're doing tho

vote: Mac

[pieguyn]

wtf
I doubt meiling is in this game o.o see first post
explain plz

[pieguyn]

my role is already on the table. mass claiming before LYLO to prevent any bullshit seems like a good idea as long as we don't flavor claim

can you elaborate on your thoughts on that quote plz?

[pieguyn]

giffycho you explain why it's weird first plz

[pieguyn]

............my god it fucking happened again

I really hope for all your sakes he flips scum = =

[pieguyn]

for the record, I found it weird cause why didn't he say it yesterday? That was the day before MyLo which is functionally the same thing as LYLO o.o

again cause morph hammered yesterday without realizing it > < unless that was really intentional

[pieguyn]

unless you both are scum and this was really LYLO

fuck my life

[pieguyn]

if he really wanted to be policy lynched before LYLO then he would have said it on D2. since he didn't, it reads as an attempt to look town IMO.

and I'm not ruling anything out <_> the way it happened looked like an end of game quickhammer, that's all @_@

[pieguyn]

I wanna make it to 300
only 8 more after this

[pieguyn]

i don't really see the fascination in trolling when you've already won the game

it just seems mean-spirited

that

I remember the first game I played here the scum kept acting town after the game was over. I was town cop and I was so confused I thought I misread one of my PMs when it happened @_@

[pieguyn]

I really wanna reach 300 but I'm about to fall asleep any second now what do

[pieguyn]

keep posting or pray that scum don't kill you tonight for some reason

this pinged for me

[pieguyn]

uu. i don't think i can make it before night start T_T

[pieguyn]

wait nvm misread it

[pieguyn]

this is why i shouldn't post when I'm tired as shit >_<//

[pieguyn]

probably scum has a vanilla-ize that only works on people who claimed flavor or smth

I missed the "don't". it seemed like you could be distancing from my eventual flip @_@

[pieguyn]

yay made it >w<

too tired to think now. night

[pieguyn]

(since two scum killing powers wouldn't be that big of a deal i guess)

wat

k night for real now

[pieguyn]

............................................................................................

[pieguyn]

I fucking knew that looked like a quickhammer

to be really honest, I think that was so unexpected it was unfair. I don't think scum should get extra kills on top of their factional kill, ever. we literally had no way to expect something like that. I was emotionally invested in this game and looking forward to at least watching the LYLO on D4, so having smth like this happen makes me feel like shit > <

fun game tho. thx bork and I definitely want in for more of your games :3

[pieguyn]

also I love you all in the dead chat

[pieguyn]

@EVERYONE: who do you think bussed BRO? if no one, why do you think that's the case? note theres only 2 people left (zmuffin/giffycho)

THIS POST

I FUCKING HAD BOTH OF THEM

I COULD HAVE FUCKING WON FROM HERE

BUT NO I JUST HAD TO FUCKING TRUST TNE'S NEIGHBOR READ AND THEN HAVE THEM QUICKHAMMER BEFORE TNE EXPLAINS IT FURTHER

FUCK MY LIFE I SUCK

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

/smashes head on desk

also I went on high alert when zmuffin's thoughts were coinciding with me the whole game. then even higher alert when psychlone pointed this same fking thing out about zmuffin. this made me suspect I was walking into a trap, but it was after it was too late. fuck

[pieguyn]

besides the extra scumkill, this game was amazing IMO <3
I definitely want in for more of your games. I had a lot of fun

[pieguyn]

FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE FUCK MY LIFE
I'm so fucking pissed off at myself. I had it sorted, and then I fucking wandered off and trusted TNE's read thinking "oh hell even if it's wrong we can just fix it tomorrow"

lesson learned: that mindset doesn't fucking work. I'm so fucking mad at myself. that choice fucking lost us the game and I feel like shit > <//

[pieguyn]

I feel completely like shit = =

if I wasn't so careless we probably would have won

sorry everyone
/crying

[pieguyn]

Hardly your fault, pie.

Losing in two mislynches is a setup quirk you couldn't have accounted for.

also I love you all in the dead chat

You're spectacular, man.
Let's play more games together sometime.

As for feeling mad at yourself, don't.
You did amazingly well. Believe in yourself. You're usually right! Hold on to your beliefs! Fight for your beliefs!
I was really mad at myself for not winning the last game for my team.
I got real bent out of shape for it.
What you've got to remember is that you're still awesome, great at the game, and fun to play with. Keep playing, keep giving it your all, and you'll get those wins. You'll get even better, too.

you guys
you all make me feel warm and fuzzy :3

[pieguyn]

he probably would have "realised" that nacho+me didn't make sense as a scum team :/

I realized sometime after falling asleep you+giffycho would make a lot of sense and that if it wasn't mac, it'd be you two. not outing why :> no all 3 of us talking after the hammer didn't have anything to do with it

my preferred lynch order was mac -> giffycho -> you, with GP the most likely to be town of the four. I wasn't trying to determine the exact set of mafia at d3. I was searching for one town in those names and then if I lynched a townie on d3 I could fix it. I assumed it wouldn't be a problem but that fucking extra kill fked everything up. I wasn't even under the impression scum ever gets extra kills, and I still think it's a bad idea. plus there was already a 1 sided lover, my ability could make the parity incorrect, and Varsoon's doc was only 2-shot.

in retrospect I should have outed this since I didn't see myself living past n3, but it didn't matter anyway. when I woke up and saw "game over" I thought I was dreaming @_@

not only that but it's like Cabd said. I thought there was no way in hell it'd be possible to lose with so little room for error = =

[pieguyn]

I guess, but I wasn't expecting it to be possible to lose in 2 mislynches. and I wasn't even considering mafia getting an extra kill since I was not under the impression it was even a possibility

even the mod agreed the extra kill was unfair @_@

[pieguyn]

this setup as it is, with the extra kill entirely removed, seems balanced for me. the main town PRs were 2-shot multi-doctor, D1 vigilante, TNE's neighborize-doc-jailkeep, and watcher. even so, there's certainly ways to give scum more power without allowing a surprise LYLO

for me the surprise LYLO was the mostly unfair thing. if an extra kill was allowed without causing said surprise LYLO, I'd feel much better

I'm not claiming to know anything about setup design but that's my opinion. 0.0

[pieguyn]

^ that

sry for raging so much it's probably just that I have an absolute personal hatred for surprise LYLOs. as I said before, I really loved the game and everything up till then was perfect :3

[pieguyn]

yeah TNE what the hell

he had a doc ability right? why didn't he just doc Varsoon

wow TNE you really did break my heart </3

[pieguyn]

But shes the best character so naturally

no way in hell you're taking her from me

I hereby challenge you to a duel

[pieguyn]

fuck

[pieguyn]

TNE why dafuq didn't you doc Varsoon

we could have had the game like completely locked T_T

[pieguyn]

who cares it if looks bad? you'd both be town as fuck

</3

[pieguyn]

I love how my VCA found out all the mafia anyway and the only reason it didn't work was cause we didn't know we didn't have an extra lynch