Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:50 am

In post 2138, Kagami wrote:I hope you caught the beauty and the beast reference there, gcbc

I don't care if he was singing freaking Mary Poppins, he is voting himself while simultaneously trying to tell people his lynch will be a mis-lynch. If that isn't cognitive-dissonance, I don't know what is.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:05 am

Yeah, this is a heads up that if somebody puts varsoon at L-1, Saki will likely lolhammer unless he's sworn that off lately and I missed it.

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:33 am

Gaiden would make a decent vig fodder. People not actually playing the game just gave me a scum win in Mini 1531. (well thata and another thing but eh)

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:34 am

Nice of you to show, though, Mac.

Where are your non varsoon, non gaiden reads?

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:43 pm

Varsoon, why Chamber and Dramonic?

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:49 pm

Trying to flashwagon anybody on a claimed mason's townlist is filed under "really fucking stupid ideas" so I'm not touching that.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:53 pm

...I did not notice that and now I am terribly confused.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:09 pm

Furthermore, flashagons are bad in plurality lynch situations because all we're essentially doing is getting a whole bunch of people to be forced to claim prematurely day one or die without being able to give reads/etc.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:24 pm

In post 2302, Lush Life wrote:
In post 2301, pirate mollie wrote:VOTE: varsoon

Mollie who is it that keeps unvoting him? Jiffy, or bork?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:25 pm

(Also glad to see wayne is back to his useless self, the random prod dodging was making me wonder)

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:28 pm

(Hint post 2311 has invisible sarcasm tags, I was wondering how long it was gonna take him to stop trying to think and go back to his dead dumb tunneling on me)

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:42 pm

In post 2356, Cabd wrote:Uh guys once again i'd like to remind you that the claimed mason just said "no touching gaiden" so uh yeah.

In post 2363, Cabd wrote:Welcome to waynegg. Enjoy your stay, chamber.

Muffin, tell me why we should lynch somebody that hasn't had a chance to claim over a vaguely useless role?

(Mala I meant as in chambr of kittens, both of you are welcomed once more to wayne)

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:43 pm

In post 2372, zMuffinMan wrote:@cabd

do you actually think varsoon is scum here? do you think his play makes sense as scum here?

IF there's scum in gaiden and varsoon, it's gaiden. i care more about my reads than about roles.

I did, the timing is making me unable to re-eval in the past hour's posts.

Fine, but on the condition that varsoon uses his ability on his number one not-me scum suspect to redirect the kill towards Me or if he's feeling generous, the IC.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:44 pm

15 minutes. I'll be here for all of them, so sell me.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:49 pm

Waynegg if you think i'm bussing then fuck off and help me bus. Ten minutes.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:51 pm

No lynch doesn't happen here, it's plurality.

I pretty much decide between you and gaiden, unless waynegg gets off his ass and picks instead.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:52 pm

Your role PM may say town but you've set out to be as anti-town as possible to the point of having Serene call for you to be vigged.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:55 pm

Don't worry wayne, with how incredibly fucking stupid you're playing, scum will keep you around for a long time so you can resume your shit tunnel tomorrow.

Varsoon I ~AM~ voting you.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:55 pm

Like, show of hands, if you were scum would you kill waynegg?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:57 pm

I hope scum kills waynegg to frame me just so I can have the satisfaction of imagining his face when he hits the spoilers dead QT. (except not because he'll claim "I was throwing dirt at a townread guys honestly)

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:58 pm

Aaand two minutes.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:59 pm

In post 2413, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
In post 2411, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:I hope scum kills waynegg to frame me just so I can have the satisfaction of imagining his face when he hits the spoilers dead QT. (except not because he'll claim "I was throwing dirt at a townread guys honestly)
A man will be very clear about this. A boy is scum. SCUM. Not a town read in the slightest.

Yes yes we know you can't do anything but tunnel me the entire game, your ISO is nothing but that.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:00 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

And scum you should kill waynegg and frame me, it'll be worth it.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:08 pm

So now we have two confirmed towns, and this is the sound of me laughing because fuck you haters, scum DID have daytalk.

If either of those were vig kills, they should probably be claimed, though.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:10 pm

In post 2429, Cabd wrote:Is that something done to you, messiah?

woops

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:10 pm

In post 2430, pieguyn wrote:WHAT THE FLYING FUCK

NOW do you see what I meant about scum having daytalk? Natirasha helped design. He and I share a love for scum daytalk in non micro games.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:11 pm

Okay. If and when you find it protown to reveal LMK.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:12 pm

In post 2432, Lush Life wrote:VOTE: Muffin

I think I know why you're there and if it is why I think it is, I'm probably joining you.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:16 pm

Muffin, Tsukasa, one of {AD, Dram} is where I'm probably hunting today, and preference towards AD of the two. The only thing giving me pause is that AD was a last second counter to gaiden. Hawkie's gonna do some movement of the last minute wagon analysis.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:35 pm

Also given WHAT gaiden flipped I'm wondering if this isn't reversed from the game. As in enemies are town, heroes are scum?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:43 pm

In post 2466, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 2465, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Also given WHAT gaiden flipped I'm wondering if this isn't reversed from the game. As in enemies are town, heroes are scum?
Can you talk about this some more?

- Des

Reimu Hakurei is the Main Character of the Touhou Project series, having appeared in all of the main games and in almost every game in the series. As the sole maiden of the Hakurei Shrine, she is commonly called upon (or calls it upon herself) to investigate strange occurrences throughout Gensokyo.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:48 pm

Well, FMC and the ones that joined her in the first few games, maybe? TBQH I'm no huge flavor expert, but seeing the main charater of the entire series flip mafia made me wonder.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:16 pm

In post 2476, Lush Life wrote:I am a flavor expert, and I think you're chasing a red herring here. If he was following the plot of one particular game (e.g. my IN game) then fine, but this strikes me as the sort of game not to tie any canon to alignment.

Noted.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:17 pm

In post 2474, zMuffinMan wrote:bork

kindly pull your head out of your ass

Will you deny that this type of bus is your scum MO?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:20 pm

In post 2486, Varsoon wrote:I still don't like GCBCACDC

You can hate me all you want. But with the mafia strongman gone, I'm here until endgame or if I'm mislynched.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:21 pm

In post 2489, pieguyn wrote:GCBC is practically confirmed town

News to me but I'll take it?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:23 pm

In post 2490, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, for serious, I'm spent and busy.
If I'm not around, don't let the jerkbutts trick you into lynching me.

I tried to kill you N1, GCBC. Didn't work.

How is GCBC confirmed?

Who did you re-direct? Given I'm unlimited bulletproof, whoever you re-directed is confirmed to not have made the nightkill last night.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:24 pm

I just claimed it.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:25 pm

Ah. Then proof of lack of nightkill rpeformance is canceled..

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Pie, I fucking love you. In the no homo way unless you want me to go grab a female alt in which case it can be totally love.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:05 pm

In post 2515, zMuffinMan wrote:
cabd wrote:Will you deny that this type of bus is your scum MO?
is this why you think i'm scum?

cabd, you know my scum MO, i know you know my scum MO, and you know i know you know my scum MO. do you honestly think i'd play a standard game here if i were scum?

Yep!

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:10 pm

In post 2520, Varsoon wrote:Hey GCBC,
the only reason we were fighting was because the record labels were paying us to,
so why don't we combine forces and make the best rap album of all ti--er, hunt scum?

And by record labels you mean waynegg.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:11 pm

In post 2519, zMuffinMan wrote:if you think i'm scum here, vote me

Nope, hawkie won't let me yet.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:39 pm

...Varsoon we don't need another FEA. If you don't want to ~effort~ then go play Skype mafia or something.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:43 pm

In post 2443, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Muffin, Tsukasa, one of {AD, Dram} is where I'm probably hunting today, and preference towards AD of the two. The only thing giving me pause is that AD was a last second counter to gaiden. Hawkie's gonna do some movement of the last minute wagon analysis.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:03 pm

Kat, you have exactly ten minutes to tell us everything you know about the setup "for a fact" before I wagon you ass into the fucking GROUND.

(expired on 2014-01-21 01:14:00)

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:13 pm

Uh.... What?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:13 pm

You asked guy in freezer stuff about the setup that isn't public,, and you expect us to believe he answered?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:16 pm

<---hops on skype and tests. Mind you if he doesn't respond we speedlynch your ass into the ground faster than varsoon gets arrested in a city of loli.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:18 pm

I just hopped on skype and asked gy in freezer to confirm or deny multiball. If he doesn't respond with a "no" and gives me a "why the fuck would I tell you" like I suspect he will, well then, guess who dies.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:19 pm

Three guesses as to who just refused to answer that question. First two don't count.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:23 pm

Hear that? That's the sound of caught scum freaking the fuck out.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:25 pm

In post 2567, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:If the game was a multi ball.

Hmm, why exactly do I die and what is this unneeded aggressiveness.

I just asked him myself. He refused to answer. Therefore you are telling a lie. Therefore I am lynching you.

VOTE: Katinara

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:26 pm

Eh, fucked up the name's spelling but you undermean what I stand, giffy.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:29 pm

Not sure if I buy this, but either way you need to clarify with the mod what he defines multiball as specifically.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:30 pm

Because SK+scumteam is usually not defined as multiball.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:39 pm

Ask him if what he defines an SK as. Because if that was a vig shot I'm going to fucking strangle somebody right now.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:40 pm

Mine matches my flavor, yes.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:41 pm

In post 2578, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:The sub host said he couldn't answer but I clarified my role and got a no.

But this is something of a confirmation that she's an oracle.

UNVOTE:

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:48 pm

FWIW I'm legit thinking that if any investigative role has a hard guilty right now we should just massclaim and pull a xenogears.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:53 pm

We created a block of confirmed towns so large that we autowon. Ask desp, he was scum that game.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:01 pm

It wouldn't be a strict autowin, per say, but it would POE the fuck out of the game.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:04 pm

In post 2590, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:we lost our investigative role already and yeah.

?

What investigative role is dead?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:07 pm

Oh, right, rolecop. I still think there's gonna be a true cop of some gated type out there.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:07 pm

In post 2594, Jaqen Hghar wrote:A man watched that game and winced as this townbloc threw itself on its sword day after day needlessly

This I will grant you, so no more signing up to die one after another, we scumhunt within the block instead.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:22 pm

Fish what's your take on kat, before we move on? Town that derped, scum that derped, or just null that derped?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:26 pm

Do you buy the oracle thing or no?

Like the one thing making me think it's not a fakeclaim, regardless of if it's town oracle or scum oracle, is that how would she know when the comod was online and if ETL didn't have the complete setup in front of her or not?

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:26 pm

In post 2609, Varsoon wrote:isn't it against the rules to lie about interaction with mods?

Not really. One could fakeclaim oracle without being modkilled. The rule is only about quoting mod communications.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:38 pm

In post 2613, Messiah Complex wrote:I was told that he lieks turtlez

Me too lol. 10/10 response.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:39 pm

In post 2615, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2612, Jaqen Hghar wrote:GCBC, do you find it odd, as a man does, that Kat should single out Serene the victim of a vigilante vile? Why not Kaze? Why not either/or? Oddly specific a man thinks.
This. Weren't the kills identical?

Do I find it odd? Absolutely. Did I just finish a scumgame where I used this as a "slip" to push a mislynch on a player? Absolutely. It's hardly a true slip to me, but I will grant you it's worrying somewhat. I'll see what hawkie makes of it on the morrow.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:43 pm

Fish, you and hawkie should set a date for tomorrow on wagon analysis, that's his dept.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:51 pm

Mind picking a name for this day's persona, Jaqen? A good nickname will suffice, typing your actual name out is a PITA.

Anyways, not everyone is glued to the thread 24/7. Kats posts tend to be in short bursts with periods of inactivity, go take a look at her other completed games for ISO timestamps for an example of what I mean.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:51 pm

That said, since she's clearly here, she DOES need to answer the fucking question.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:06 pm

In post 2723, Amaranth wrote:VOTE: ActionDan

Unless you're claiming to be a nobody special/ MafiaSSK hydra, you need to put in some more effort than this.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:24 pm

Well, "muffina" (Better than calling you "muff") we're (and by that I mean I'm making hawkie do it) running a large wagon analsysis post.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:39 pm

Spoiler: A Play by Play - Voting Patterns Re: Varsoon and Gaiden.

Key Points:

Varsoon becomes the lead lynch-wagon with about 3 ish days remaining until deadline voted by Lush, Mac, Pie, Varsoon, and GCBC.
Kagami pushes a counter to Varsoon on Gaiden.
Lush, Gaiden, and Tsukasa push a counter to Varsoon on Bubba. Bubba reaches L-6 to Gaidens L-7. Varsoon gets as low as L-2.

Gaiden becomes a lynch-contender with about 2 ish days remeaining. Voting are Messiah, Varsoon, Muffin, and Bubba.
Gaiden and Varsoon would end up in a tie with Lush's unvote on Varsoon.

With about 26 hours to go and both wagons tied up, Serene breaks the tie in favor of Gaiden, while Varsoon brings the vote back to a tie with a self vote. Saki ends up breaking the tie to lynch Gaiden.

I spent way too much time gathering data and formatting, and still have lots of questions to analyze. But here are a few thoughts - Personally, I think Pie's comments re: Gaiden's wagon still ring true to me. A purely town scum-flash wagon doesn't make any sense. I think there was a point that scum decided they were going to drop Gaiden. If I had to guess, I would say it was around post #2221 when Gaiden said he was going to leave them high and dry through the rest of the day phase and through the night phase. Interestingly this is the same point where votes started piling up.

Initial impressions tell me that Saki, Lush, and Muffin's votes are suspect. Also, why did Varsoon tie up his wagon with Gaiden when the tie still would have resulted in a Gaiden lynch?

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:46 am

OKay let's break this down.

Step 1: "Regardless of alignment, is Kat an Oracle?"

If no, stop here, she's scum from your POV
If yes, continue.

Step 2: "Is Kat a mafia oracle?"

IMO no, and here's why. Mafia oracle certainly wouldn't have chosen THAT question over something like "Is there more than one investigative role on the town team this game" or somehting equally useful. Why would scum ask that question when team compisition pretty much tells them the setup? Furthermore, even if this was a faked quesiton, she's made a claim such that the flip of any non-mafia non-town player means she is immediately and instantly speedlynched.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:42 pm

In post 2776, Kagami wrote:I'm still wondering GCBC: Why did you claim bulletproof?

No point not to after the flip of the scum strongman, plus Kise outing the idea yesterday, there's literally no reason to NOT claim at this point.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:43 pm

Also, Dan, if you've got a gun you should probably outright claim it at this point lest we lynch you for it given the potential gun guilty on you I keep seeing hinted at.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:58 pm

In post 2707, Kise wrote:Caught up from phone. I'm pretty sure actiondan targeted serene, not CoK. Need pie to confirm tho.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:03 pm

I realize that, point being accusation was made, and it needs to be cleared up. Dan is avoiding the accusation.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:50 am

Okay.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: cok

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:36 am

In post 2432, Lush Life wrote:VOTE: Muffin

First post of day two's opening.

Mining more to see if they indicated anythiing else.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:38 am

In post 2440, Lush Life wrote:
In post 2437, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:I think I know why you're there and if it is why I think it is, I'm probably joining you.
Joining me is a great idea

In post 2458, Lush Life wrote:
In post 2454, zMuffinMan wrote:you need your head checked if you think i'm scum
Yet I can just see you panicking in your daychat right now

oh, right, you don't have that anymore

p-edit: totes PR

In post 2644, Lush Life wrote:Oracle claim is fine and fits loosely with Yuyuko's (I assume that's who you're trying to claim) and I thought she was town anyway so yeah.

In addition to other stuff, we have the ability to confirm a yet unnamed person as town due to interactions last night, but I'm wondering if I should just say what happened and we can leave it till later for who did it to claim.

Muffin's still scum.

-bork (all D2 posts so far have been me and I forgot to sign)

In post 2666, Lush Life wrote:
In post 2663, Kagami wrote:Anyway, the better argument is that it no vig would kill either serene or kaze over players like dramonic, cok, etc given the reimu flip, unless said vig were also huffing paint while submitting her night kill action.
For certain values of vig, you're absolutely correct. But others don't have the same perception of the gamestate that you do.

Anyway I think we can probably let this speculation lie and figure more out about it later from flips.

-bork

p-edit: let's lynch muffin

In post 2676, Lush Life wrote:hi guyz!

so borky and I talked last night and we are pretty freaking sure muffina is scum!

plz don't tell me "I don't see it" otherwise i will lose faith in all humanity and you will be responsible.

why muffina is scum:

muffina was barely a blip on the radar yesterday, holding back playing it safe, staying away from the major wagons only to make an offhand comment "oh I think all of the main wagons are town!" and yet do nothing to support any of the town reads. <----- scum 101 guyz for realz I promise you from the bottom of my heart muffina will flip red. its just it is such basic scumplay it seems like it is easy to overlook cos yanno it seems kind of obvious! all of his posts are "safe" when maffina is not a safe player and they are designed to promote longevity in a game (not make waves and let town eat their own) and not trying to actually figure things out. DIE SCUMFUCK DIE!!!!1!!

re: action dan:

I think he is scum too! and his "oh every1 knew that serene were masons!!1!!" I call bullshit that looks like you trying to cover up the fact their nk points to you given dgb is pretty damn good at reading you and your play yesterday was skeevy as fuck. you are also doing your hyper-focused defense routine like I just know that you are giving me the "look" and bumbling around around grasping at straws ("every1 wanted serene dead ARRRGGGGHHHH!!!) when no, not all of the players even know how much of a pain in the ass serenes+ can be to scum but guess what scum knew! which points to intimate knowledge of their play. I mean I was trying my damnedest to throw suspicion on them all day I mean the game could have been tied up on d2 with a tard slapfight but scum were so terrified of them they are all like WHY THE FUCK AREN"T THEY DEAD ALREADY.

these are the only 2 acceptable wagons for today:

[] muffina
[] danny boy

the dramallama lynch can be postponed until cabd can metadive him and tell us whether or not if this is dramallama's typical town play. I can't read him but also he would want the anythingbutserene hydra dead too but danny boy looks scummier and muffina has been bathing in pondscum and needs to die.

so if every1 can be a darling and check 1 of the 2 boxes for the lynch that they would prefer that would be transfabulous gogogogogo

also messiah why do your reads suck

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:39 am

VOTE: muffin

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:34 pm

In post 2946, pieguyn wrote:zmuffin your argument is complete shit

they QUITE OBVIOUSLY got a guilty on you as indicated by them voting you in their first post

there was no need for them to lynch you right then because as soon as they flip cop anyone with half a brain would go back and look for results. and they obviously didn't wanna out the fact they're cop

so yeah not buying it

^This. Those three are the type to leave their claim running out there while hopefully getting more results. Like somebody else said, if they didn't guilty you, where's their inno or guilty crumb?

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:35 pm

In post 2676, Lush Life wrote:so borky and I
talked last night
and we are pretty freaking sure muffina is scum!

plz don't tell me "I don't see it" otherwise i will lose faith in all humanity and you will be responsible.

Like that's pretty fucking blatant and if this is not them claiming a guilty we'll have words with them postgame.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:51 pm

I'm starting to think this is role madness, almsot everyone claimed so far has some sort of action.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:55 pm

He's online on skype but he's probably asleep. Oh well.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:05 pm

...Debating massclaim at this point.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:07 pm

In post 2992, Mac wrote:
In post 2990, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:...Debating massclaim at this point.
I still have shifty eyes at you. Why didn't you try and swallow a NK with your unlimited bulletproof? That's not like you.

Because asshat mr. Kise outed that day one.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:08 pm

Also the whole claimed masons with an IC thing meant semi-role madness to me, so running a investigative claim gambit was a no no since it would likely draw out a CC for no good.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:14 pm

In post 2998, Mac wrote:UNVOTE:

nvm wait for pie

Pie and kagami already checked in, though?

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:16 pm

In post 2982, Kagami wrote:I
roleblocked
and rolestopped pie last night to protect her =\

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:16 pm

Gif won't confirm or deny that an action was blocked, is my guess. Either way.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:20 pm

Actiondan claimed killer investigator, kind of like psychologist from hard boiled, not watcher or tracker, if I read everything right.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:30 pm

In post 3014, Messiah Complex wrote:
In post 2990, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:...Debating massclaim at this point.
Nah, not yet.

First we lynch scum, then we get more results tomorrow, then we evaluate.

- Des

You're that sure? Full steam ahead then.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:35 pm

In post 3016, Messiah Complex wrote:You read Lush's ISO too didn't you?

The muffin read comes out of NOWHERE and is like, the first thing all three heads agreed on all game. Bork and Jiffy both reversed D1 townreads if I read correctly as well. It couldn't be more obvious to us.

- Des

Yeah, I was the first to point it out actually. Good to have you aboard.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:55 pm

Draw up your reads before saki uses his murdercock or whatnot, then. You're the lynch today no matter what pretty much.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:55 pm

That said, still think you're scum. But hey I'm a nice guy and I'll let you hoist yourself by your own petard.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:55 pm

Fuck you giffy no pagetops.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:57 pm

This may shock and or astound you wayne, but I'm not here for your every whim 24/7. Fuck off and do something productive for once in your life. If you can't figure out how I found those posts within 7 minutes, then you clearly don't have the necessary logic to piece together this game in general.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:23 pm

Smooth, asshole. Smooth.

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:38 am

In post 3048, Jaqen Hghar wrote: A man thinks a man prior was correct after all. GoodCopBadCop is definitely a BAD Cop and must needs have his neck stretched.

And here I started to like you D2... guess it wasn't you after all?

Muffin, I was taking it easy since Cabd told me that we had a cop guilty entering D3... doesn't look to be that simple tho. What does concern me is you hunting the Varsoon wagon and not

your own quick wagon

. If you really are town, it should be pretty freaking obvious from the speed and reasoning behind your wagon that scum would be salivating to hop on.

I also don't like how you are writing off Varsoon as very very likely town because his D1 play points to him being town when I absolutely disagree, and echo Jaqen's sentiments re: Varsoon from D2.

I will let Cabd respond to your questions, since you specifically addressed him, but would like your thoughts on my comments.

Nacho, I realize that there is a possibility that Lush may have not gotten a guilty, but why are you talking like its the end of the world with "Why the fuck do towns have a tendency to start throwing shit away because "oooh, we're in the lead"?" That is absolutely NOT what is happening here. Are you trying to say there is a zero percent chance that Lush got a guilty? Cause that's pretty dumb and you are NOT a mafia god.

If there is a chance that Lush had a guilty and was trying to convey that in the form of a lynch push then we should be pursuing that avenue for lynch candidate today. You are also clearing Muffin solely on claim alone? I expect you to actually contribute and not be freaking dead-weight as town.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:26 am

If we do go that route, let's forget popcorn and use Condorcet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method

Tenshi Hinanawi, Masochist, at your service.

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:31 am

I'm no flavor expert but it mentions that my body is ready (heh, NOA joke) and if I do something bad to punish me?

And it mentions a tidbit about no "regular" nightkill being able to affect me, which I now take to mean that the strongman was there. Scum might have a oneshot poison or something as well.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:08 am

In post 3126, zMuffinMan wrote:prohawk's response to me was pretty bad.

These personal attacks I associate with your scum-game. I was wrong once, refuse to be wrong again.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:36 pm

In post 3230, Nachomamma8 wrote:I do have serious concerns about Cabd.

Really? Because I'm sitting here wondering why you sat there and let ffery and let mollie get into a cat fight and didn't even attempt to halt it, and then you can sit there with a straight face and tell me ffery would replace out of a scumslot with me after getting into a huge fight instead of taking her lynch a la xenoblade.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:43 pm

In post 3235, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why would ffery rolling scum prevent her from replacing out?

...Seriously? You sure you're nacho?

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:51 pm

In post 3238, Nachomamma8 wrote:And everyone else, for that matter.

Ffery's had fights with mollie in the past as scum. You were there for it. Xenoblade mafia. She didn't replace out, she took her lynch. Here, it got so bad she literally spent an entire day on google talk apologizing to me for having to leave because she couldn't take it anymore. I personally think the difference comes from the fact that as scum, mollie's arguments would have been right, at least. But here they were both incredibly insulting to her, but also incredibly wrong.

Still wanting to know why you didn't attempt to break it up back on day one.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:51 pm

In post 3242, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3240, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3234, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Really? Because I'm sitting here wondering why you sat there and let ffery and let mollie get into a cat fight and didn't even attempt to halt it
I thought by then Nacho hadn't replaced in?
I didn't. Cabd has a theory that I'm Amaranth.

Hang on, PMing mod, because ~things~ I was topld by said mod.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:55 pm

Gif isn't online so I don't feel safe telling what he told me until I can talk to him.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:56 pm

In post 3248, Sakura Hana wrote:Cabd is literally avoiding me now, more the reason to get on this wagon and lynch him.

Not now sakura. This is potentially game state breaking.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:58 pm

In fact I'm avoiding causing any more damage, and not posting anything else until I hear from gif, sorry.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:59 pm

In post 3252, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3249, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Gif isn't online so I don't feel safe telling what he told me until I can talk to him.
What does this have to do with anything?

I'm not answering this question.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:59 pm

In post 3253, Nachomamma8 wrote:And why does this mean we can't talk about how your slot still looks like shit?

Okay nacho, let's play then. Why does my slot look like shit?

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:02 pm

Gif is online, talking. Hold please.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:51 pm

Okay, heard back from gif, got permission.

I know

for a fact

that nacho was in fact in the hydra that he replaced. I don't know who the other head was, though.

Mod slipped when talking to me about ffery replacing out and me asking who I could have half-head replace in.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:52 pm

So this kind of makes me wonder...

A: Why nacho directly lied about that if he's town.

B: Why nacho didn't break up the mollie-ffery fight if he's town.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:50 pm

Well, dipshits, I'm still flipping town.

We can lynch me today instead of the day before lylo but here's the conditions:

1. You speedlynch the fuck out of muffin and nacho subsequently
2. You realize jaquen isn't worth the slot he's in and subsequently ignore him and his opinions the rest of the game
3. DId I mention speedlynching muffin?
4. You make peace with the fact that you're lynching me over the same logic muffin is using to clear himself.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:51 pm

'Un CC'd tracker with a flipped scum ninja"
"Un CC'd bulletproof (with no true doc claim) with a flipped scum strongman"

And yet nbody sees the issue with this logic?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:52 pm

Also, if sakura is town, which I'm about 50-50 on, I take great pride that her supposed perfect ability to read me isn''t worth the paper she writes it on.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:56 pm

In post 3461, zMuffinMan wrote:yeah, you're not town

you'd be trying to figure things out now if you were town

instead you're pushing the same tired line

Vote: GCBC

Yeah I wake up at 5PM after sleeping off being up vomiting till 6am, see a metric fuckton of votes on me, I kinda proceed under the assumption that I'm already dead and racing for the lock.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:56 pm

In post 3464, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3458, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Also, if sakura is town, which I'm about 50-50 on, I take great pride that her supposed perfect ability to read me isn''t worth the paper she writes it on.
AtF so soon? Thanks for proving me right.

This is mala's newbie; and muffin is wisdom.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:58 pm

And excccccuse me, princess, for not being that motivat6ed when the mod-confirmed town village idiot has posted a sign to my back that says "free win for scum in LYLO"

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:59 pm

In post 3467, Sakura Hana wrote:Except the one pulling the AtF this time is you.

I hope you choke on my flip. When I flip your first post of tomorrow will be a vote on muffin.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:59 pm

But hey, let's talk about why muffin is scum outside the cop guilty.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:01 pm

His scum MO is hard busing, and hard busing early.

~Him and nacho to DP in marketplace
~Him to like half of his team when replacing into death's diner
~Him to Bro in bork's touhou mini
~Him right here in this game to gaiden

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:04 pm

Look at the sheer confidence with which he led the swing onto gaiden day one. Then look at it again assuming he was informed in advance. Then compare that to his sudden drive in those other games. Day two of touhou. Day... 2 or 3 of marketplace. The day he replaced into death's diner.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:06 pm

In post 3477, zMuffinMan wrote:you're around now and still not trying to figure things out.

News to me.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:07 pm

Do you have scum games that refute the statement?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:10 pm

In post 3479, Sakura Hana wrote:Why did you go against Varsoon D1 when only him and Gaiden were possible lynches. What from Varsoon pinged your radar? You also went towards him with a lot of confidence, and i would understand that if you were scum with how much you love daychat. From what i recall most of your posts by the end of D1 were like "OMG VARSOON'S SCUM LYNCH HIM ALREADY, IF YOU DONT YOU'RE SCUM" or things like that.

With a mason claim on the board and them NOT saying who their partner was, I had no intention of lynching anyone in their town reads lest that be the partner. Hence my post... saying that. As for varsoon he and I never get along, I guess? Like I always read him as scum, but usually lack the motivation to call him on it. And he was showing patterns very similar to what he did in Xenogears, where I beat him in 3p LYLO. (Also I'm still not convinced day one wasn't two scum wagons with varsoon having a better night action; but that's more a 10%ish theory than anything concrete.)

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:11 pm

In post 3352, Kagami wrote:since near pagetop:

Claims

Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)
Kise- Nitori: Inventor (gave track to pie n1, unknown n2)
Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle (We are not in multiball, possible SK)
AD- Remilia: 2-shot kill cop (CoK killed n1, Nacho has not killed)
Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
Kagami- China: Gatekeeper (RBed and RSed Jaqen n1, Pie n2)
Jaqen- Patchy: IC
Pie- Koishi: Mason Encryptor
bubba- Okuu: 1-shot bomb (use unknown)
Saki- Eirin: VT
Sakura- Yuuka: VT
MC- Marisa: Thief (jacked shiki's stick n1, nothing from dram n2)
Dramonic- Byakuren: VT
Mac- Sanae: ???
Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)

-Dead Town-
Kaze- Youmu: VT
Serene- Satori: 2-shot rolecop
Lush- Shikieiki: Odd-night Cop

-Lynched Scum-
CoK- Sakuya: Ninja
Gaiden- Reimu: 1-shot Strongman + encryptor

[/quote]

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:12 pm

...Errr thanks, post tags and site for posting that before I made edits.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:17 pm

These aren't in strength order within the list..

Townreads:

Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle
AD- Remilia: 2-shot kill cop (CoK killed n1, Nacho has not killed)
GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
Kagami- China: Macho Gatekeeper (RBed and RSed Jaqen n1, Pie n2)
Jaqen- Patchy: IC
Pie- Koishi: Mason Encryptor
MC- Marisa: Thief (jacked shiki's stick n1, nothing from dram n2)

Likely town, but not as strong of a read:

Kise- Nitori: Inventor (gave track to pie n1, unknown n2)
Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
Mac- Sanae: Doctor

Nulls:

bubba- Okuu: 1-shot bomb (use unknown)
Sakura- Yuuka: VT
Dramonic- Byakuren: VT

Scumreads:

Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)
Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)
Saki- Eirin: VT

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:20 pm

You all wanted me to wake the fuck up, well here I am. Sleeping Giants, and all that jazz.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:22 pm

In post 3492, Sakura Hana wrote:But ok, let's say I bite and lynch muffin and/or nacho and whomever flips town, where should I go from there in your opinion?

You mean we lynch muffin and he flips town today? Then I'm probably self lynching tomorrow to remove that from being an issue near LYLO. And my first post in the dead QT will be chewing bork and mollie for posting that kind of opening day two post as a cop.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:25 pm

In post 3495, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3494, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:You mean we lynch muffin and he flips town today? Then I'm probably self lynching tomorrow to remove that from being an issue near LYLO. And my first post in the dead QT will be chewing bork and mollie for posting that kind of opening day two post as a cop.
So we get to the heart of the issue being... you still think he's scum because you think they crumbed that guilty.

I do. Nothing will shake me on that. But like I said, he's also scum for other reasons. If he's by some miracle town, then one of the other "main" leaders of the gaiden quickwagon day one is scum. At least one player on that early shot KNEW the result in advance.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:28 pm

In post 3498, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3496, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:then one of the other "main" leaders of the gaiden quickwagon day one is scum. At least one player on that early shot KNEW the result in advance.
Why does it have to be this way? I consider myself pretty good at reading Gaiden even when he fluffs and lurks, and if I can do it I don't why someone else wouldn't pick on what I've picked.

The speed and traction smelt informed. I remember hawkie doing a big post about it back on day two.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:32 pm

In post 3500, zMuffinMan wrote:
gcbc wrote:I do. Nothing will shake me on that.
you are not town, or you are being really dense about this

Okay muffin. Thought experiment. You, me, nacho are all town. Who is the scumteam; and who did lush investigate?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:33 pm

In post 3501, Sakura Hana wrote:Now, why do you think they would have gone to Dan instead of just telling us that they had a guilty on Muffin? I don't buy the "They wanted to live longer" theory as Majiffy already mentioned D1 that he lives a lot less nowadays on games due to his scum hunting abilities and I'd think they'd want to distribute that information as soon as possible.

Let me go back and re-read the timing of everything once again, but IIRC there was a "tracker guilty but not really" thing hanging in the air.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:37 pm

In post 3504, zMuffinMan wrote:gif included a ninja and no tracker/watcher

I don't rule out the possibility given that his micro I was scum with bert in; we had a strongman against a team of vanillas. He's not quite as fond of red herrings as I am, but yes, I don't doubt he'd be willing to put one out there.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:38 pm

In post 3504, zMuffinMan wrote:you think i'm scum dumb enough to claim tracker/watcher when there's a flipped ninja?

This is also a false dilemma given that flavored fake roleclaims are a thing that Gif does as per AA mini theme.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:39 pm

In post 3504, zMuffinMan wrote:and you think i bussed gaiden for no strategic purpose when you know that's not how i play as scum?

And this is something that you refute but I do not buy.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:43 pm

If you and nacho are both town, then scum is Saki, Dram, and the 5th (I'm assuming 5 groupscum here) is somewhere in {sakura, Varsoon, Bubba} in order form least to most likely on that last grouping of three.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:45 pm

Let's say we shelf lynching me until the day before LYLO where I agree to self vote; and we don't lynch Muffin or Nacho. Where exactly does that leave us? Lynching Saki? I mean as much as I'd love to see saki dead that just leaves the jumbled mess for another day.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:46 pm

In post 3511, zMuffinMan wrote:in order to believe this, you'd have to believe gif gimped the scum team in a power heavy game

Elaborate.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:47 pm

In post 3512, Sakura Hana wrote:Why Saki?
Why Dram?
And I see you still dont trust me... oh well.

Reads/POE.

Your current interactions are doing a great job of making me feel better about you, fwiw; but I have no idea where hawkie stands.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:48 pm

In post 3514, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:
In post 3511, zMuffinMan wrote:in order to believe this, you'd have to believe gif gimped the scum team in a power heavy game
Elaborate.

Like, I don't see why the scumteam having both a Ninja and a Tracker is something crazy enough that GiF wouldn't do it?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:54 pm

In post 3519, Sakura Hana wrote:Also i see that you have Bubba as possible scum, if you want to eliminate that WIFOM from the bomb then in the case you wanna lynch him i'll lay the hammer in case I blow up along with him and then you dont have to worry about my alignment nor his WIFOM.

He's a night bomb, that won't matter, and we'd be having ME hammer not you, since I'm the one on their way to an early grave etc.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:55 pm

In post 3518, zMuffinMan wrote:
gcbc wrote:Elaborate.
because the ninja is essentially a goon, and assuming the very likely scenario in which AD is town, isn't even immune to the kill cop. in a game with all VTs, a strongman for trololol isn't a big deal.

also, re: AA MFA and the fake flavour role claims thing, you'd have to think that gif gave me a tracker fake claim as scum with a ninja... like, really?

gcbc wrote:Like, I don't see why the scumteam having both a Ninja and a Tracker is something crazy enough that GiF wouldn't do it?
seriously?

Yes, and?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:56 pm

In post 3517, Sakura Hana wrote:If they are PoE can you explain why the others are town then?

Yeah hang on.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:02 pm

In post 3490, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:These aren't in strength order within the list..

Townreads:

Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle
Both play and the whole ETL backup mod knowledge thing, if she's scum she's scum oracle that submitted the ngiht she claims.

AD- Remilia: 2-shot kill cop (CoK killed n1, Nacho has not killed)
It's not worth considering a bussed guilty here unless something crazy happens)

GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
I'm still town

Kagami- China: Macho Gatekeeper (RBed and RSed Jaqen n1, Pie n2)
Play, Role both strong town

Jaqen- Patchy: IC
As much as he's playing anti-town, mod doesn't lie

Pie- Koishi: Mason Encryptor
Flipped mason on the board, confirmed town

MC- Marisa: Thief (jacked shiki's stick n1, nothing from dram n2)
Play, role could technically go either way, if one of my townreads is wrong this is it, but eh.

Likely town, but not as strong of a read:

Kise- Nitori: Inventor (gave track to pie n1, unknown n2)
Inventor or not, his play has been incredibly weak IMO

Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
He's probably town but I don't think I'll ever manage to actually put him in upper town; sue me

Mac- Sanae: Doctor
Claim makes sense but play is a bit weaker than I'd expect from mactown.

Nulls:

bubba- Okuu: 1-shot bomb (use unknown)
Fuckifiknow

Sakura- Yuuka: VT
Recent interactions should probably move her up a peg

Dramonic- Byakuren: VT
He's just.... empty inside. Also I seem to remember him being less competent as town in 165. Lots of strategic lurking, little substance.

Scumreads:

Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)
Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)
Saki- Eirin: VT

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:03 pm

In post 3527, Nachomamma8 wrote:Hey Cabd, even drunk Nacho can see you didn't respond to anything he posted.

You AND your liver can wait until I'm done with sakura, TYVM.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:06 pm

In post 3533, Sakura Hana wrote:So let's suppose you move me up and bench nacho and muffin as town, that leaves you with.

Saki, Dramonic, Bubba.

Those are quite amazing odds.

Odds?

Odds of what?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:11 pm

In post 3541, zMuffinMan wrote:cabd

when/why did you start thinking nacho is scum?

I don't have exact notes, but I had a townread on the hydra before knowing it was nacho, and started having suspicions when ffery left and I found out the truth; and then his day three opening kind of cemented it.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:12 pm

In post 3536, Sakura Hana wrote:PEd. Odds of lynching scum.

Well sure, I think almost everybody has the same POE pool of:

{GCBC, Muffin, Saki, Dram, Bubba, Sakura} give or take one or two names.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 3544, zMuffinMan wrote:that time line is messed up a bit?

amaranth didn't post til after ffery had already left (like well after)

Then maybe I am mis-remembering. I'm kind of avoiding that entire fight best I can mentally. digging it up once more will bring no good. Not to mention I feel terrible discussing it with neither party around to speak for themselves.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 3545, zMuffinMan wrote:his D3 opening post:

In post 2954, Nachomamma8 wrote:wagon currently strikes me as dumb
this cemented it?

Okay by "opening post" I meant his big one defending you.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:16 pm

But I'm terribly glad we're discussing semantics at this point.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:18 pm

In post 3525, zMuffinMan wrote:like, yeah, this will need to be resolved at some point, but if you think saki is scum, why wouldn't that be a good thing?

Just noticed this. It is, sure, but dealing with the elephant in the room is kind of priority for me. Even if we end up lynching none of us three today, I want to at least make peace with myself as to my answer.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:18 pm

In post 3551, Yukari Yakumo wrote:Boo

Suck it, Yukari.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:25 pm

In post 3556, zMuffinMan wrote:
gcbc wrote:Okay by "opening post" I meant his big one defending you.
3056 or 3058?

coz i could see him defending me like that as town or scum but there's nothing that looks scummy in that

or are you saying he's scum because you think i'm scum and you think this was him defending me?

Mostly the later, but his push on me right now feels like when scumnacho hones in on a good mislynch target and starts going wild.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:28 pm

UNVOTE:

I want time to talk this out, anyways.

PE: Sakura yes, but not in the same way, really.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:30 pm

In post 3561, Sakura Hana wrote:Now you're acting more like the Cabd I know.

Like I said, sleeping giants, etc.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:34 pm

In post 3563, Sakura Hana wrote:Well you have me for the rest of the night anyway, is there anything else you want to discuss with me? because for me I already sorted you out which was my main objective.

Sure. Engage on my reads list. What does yours look like? If you're townreading muffin, myself, and Nacho; where are your scum reads? And who do YOU think lush hit Night one?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:37 pm

In post 3566, zMuffinMan wrote:i get the feeling nacho is still in the process of sorting you, he hasn't been pushing you all that hard

Meh. It doesn't really feel that way to me. This conversation is gonna get a lot less civil once wayne shows up, so warning you in advance to get the meat of it done now; or resign yourself to talking with hawkie instead. I'm still pissed he made a secret alt to get around me blacklisting him publically.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:43 pm

In post 3568, Kagami wrote:I want to lynch bubba~

You think his D1 claim was coached? Or just derpscum? And if coached, by who?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:55 pm

In post 3571, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:What if they're 6

There's not gonna be 6 groupscum in a 21p game. If there is a total of 6 it's 15-1-5

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:09 pm

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote:@cabd,

outside the nacho one, most of your other reads are in line with my own.

This is true yes.

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: IF you're town (and the way you're being stubborn here is making me think this could be possible)

I am but my stubbornness has nothing to do with it.

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: i think there's a very good chance saki is scum (recent posts about me being third party were really awkward)

He is, I don't disagree, but would a hypothetical me-scum make him town?

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: and dram's probably scum, too.

Once again, yes, probably, but I don't see how me being scum would make both fo these town magically?

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: so let's talk about your read on me. you have this idea that my behaviour towards gaiden looked like standard bussing i do.

I do, yes. Even you have to admit that of every game of yours that I've been town to your scum, you've hardbussed at least once.

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: i'm telling you that if you've ever read any scum QT of mine in any of the games i've bussed a scum mate, you'd know how far off you are (i wouldn't bus like that for no reason).

This is very debatable. I've read through a scum QT or two of yours and don't get the same indication. Care to link specific QT posts for what you're trying to state?

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: and the other reason you seem to think i'm scum is because lush's vote on me at the start of D2 looked like crumbing a guilty.

You know if I had a really good alternate theory for how night one's roles went down I'd stop this here and now, but I've yet to see anything epic convincing to the contrary.

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: but they unvoted me with like no resistance to pursue an AD lynch, and nacho is pointing out that mollie does not play like that with a guilty and is perfectly fine with outing a guilty.

I fully admit part of this is probably related to my self-perceived inability to read you and the self-perpetuating hope that mollie sorted you via the mod so that I don't have to; but surely you you realize that this post kind of gives me a mini alarm bell too given you made a post kiiiinda along these lines to pie in marketplace and won him over, right?

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: is there any other reason you think i'm scum?

Hawkie's VCA, if you'd like to re-walk that path be my guest and let's talk about it.

In post 3580, zMuffinMan wrote: has this back and forth done nothing to change your mind?

Somewhat, hence my unvote and wish to sort this out more convincingly, but even now I feel like neither of us two should be anywhere near lylo.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:10 pm

Hey wayne, the time of the day at the time of the beep will be..... 9:11 PM PST GMT-8

There. That's all you're getting from me today, so go bother somebody else.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:10 pm

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:16 pm

In post 3594, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:I stand on ground.

I thought your uniform was all about flight?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:34 pm

In post 3597, zMuffinMan wrote:i dunno where you got that from anything i wrote. they would be my top two scum picks if i knew you were town - but you being scum doesn't exclude the possibility they're also scum.

Youir statement was "If GCBC town, then X and Y scum" so from what I read it as, you were only saying they were scum fi I was town. Thank you for clarifying.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:35 pm

In post 3597, zMuffinMan wrote:death's diner: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/qUpTJeDh9JupS (see /m178, for example, where i explained in the first paragraph why i did what i did at the start of the day) but i made all my other thought processes on why i was or wasn't doing things pretty clearimperishable night: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/VbkajUNKB8K (both nacho and i made it pretty clear we were only bussing bro for his role <- see my thoughts in /m45 for example)marketplace: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Y32YtvQMfpPz (cbf finding the specifics, ask nacho)you could also read open 519 (i was scum with TNE there) if you want to see an example of where there was no strategic value in bussing him so i never did.

Reading these, hang on.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:29 pm

In post 3601, Sakura Hana wrote:Well it seems im not going to find any more info tonight so i might as well sleep.

I'm around but I think you're done with me so go ahead?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:42 pm

In post 3603, zMuffinMan wrote:
cabd wrote:Reading these, hang on.
and while i'm thinking about it, another thing of note about imperishable night is that i actually intended to have both my scum buddies as strong town reads for the entire game (see anything i said about them in the early game) and i only switched to bussing after it became obvious who the one-directional lover was.

You wouldn't have bussed bro if wayne and I had role-swapped?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:47 pm

In post 3605, zMuffinMan wrote:cross game meta

The one true downside of playing multiple games at once, I tell ya.

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:04 pm

So what exactly would you like to do now, muffin?

GoodCop_BadCop · Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:08 pm

In post 3608, zMuffinMan wrote:(plus i'm waiting to see what people say about what's happened recently)

That much ought to be interesting.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:55 pm

I've already said I'm fine with dram. My Monday evening consisted of better things to o than play mafia, nothing personal there guys.

GoodCop_BadCop · Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:01 pm

Whatever.

{Saki, Bubba, Dram} initial lyncpool when I flip town; also never listen to a word waynegg says anymore because he's shit, also I still remain unconvinced that muffin isn't scum so please do work further in that regards.

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:31 am

I am more than fine with our lynch today. I understand our role is one that needs to be lynched at some-point since we will never die at night, and it's important for you all to HARD RESET. I would have liked to have lynched more scum before we went down, but I am not usually one to garner a whole lot of support behind my ideas.

I am not sure how close to lynch we are, but if anyone hammers before I get to analyze my wagon, consider it a scum-claim (or dumb-claim in the case of Jaqen).

Here is where we will start and I will work more when I am at a point to sit down for a longer period of time.

It BLOWS me away that we have a flipped cop who very will could have, and has suggested that they had a guilty on Muffin but we aren't lynching it because:

Meta: MOLLIE WOULDN'T DO THAT!
Role: IMA TRACKER WITH NINJA-SCUM GUYS!

Any one know why they call it a safe-claim? Because its safe.... go figure. If the mod gives scum a safe-claim tracker, its because the claim isn't going to be able to be caught by mass-claim! Don't even get me started with meta arguments...

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:58 am

What wasn't clear exactly?

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:59 am

The fact that they didn't come out and say... hey guys, we are a cop and x, is guilty and y is innocent?

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:39 am

In post 3855, zMuffinMan wrote:everything prohawk writes makes me cringe

Everything you write makes me cringe, so ??

I honestly don't do setup spec because I have been burned/have seen games burned more often than not because of it. I am sure that competent mods take setup spec into consideration when designing closed setup games to not make them favor one side or the other.

Muffin wrote:it makes sense for gif to include a ninja and give scum a tracker safeclaim?

Your self defense is a pretty freaking compelling argument isn't it? It has managed to weasel your way out of being lynched. To answer your question, I wouldn't put it past GIF to use that for a scum-team advantage point.

I think Cabd has lost motivation for this game?

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:58 am

In post 3857, zMuffinMan wrote:you're basically stretching to suggest that gif included ninja as a red herring and a scum tracker fake-claim to possibly give scum an advantage IF (and only if) the ninja is lynched.

I am a well known conspiracy theorist.

But fake-claims are not exclusive to one person, so said fake-claims could benefit anyone NOT the ninja.

Too much anti-kill power? Doc, Bulletproof, and item-given bulletproof. From my understanding Macho means said person can't be protected right? So that would be anti-protect. Bomb isn't necessarily anti-kill especially when said bomb has to guess correctly on when he would die.

We haven't really discussed much about this game. Like I said, I think Cabd has lost motivation.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:31 pm

Waynegg, the greatest part of this game will be your reaction when we flip town, although I honestly think you will hardly be surprised. Please record it and send it to me.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:22 pm

In post 3870, Varsoon wrote:I'm bored of you talking about flipping town and I'm ready for you to just do it already.

Kinda like you? Ready and Willing....

You want me to take a page outta your book and self-vote, dontcha?

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:23 pm

In post 3870, Varsoon wrote:just do it already.

Have something you'd like to share with the class?

GoodCop_BadCop · Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:27 pm

We're at L-4 with 6 days remaining Dan. My wagon hasn't even gotten close enough for analysis. Unless we are going to sit here stalled for 6 days, my analysis will come with two days remaining or when we hit L-1.

~GC

P-EDIT: Bubba, Fake-Claims are made to be believable, not unbelievable.

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:41 am

In post 3887, Jaqen Hghar wrote:If a boy isn't scum, he lies about his role.

You are insufferable. I realize that Cabd frequently gambits, but I am not a subscriber of such play and you should know this. Partly because I don't think I could pull it off but mostly because it is risky AND detrimental to town.

Have you ever considered why you are still alive? Do you think we are keeping you alive to avoid the appearance of confirming your tunnel? I am going to tell you exactly why:

You aren't a threat.

Let that sit in your brain for a second or two.

You are all about this no-town motivation to claim when Cabd did, but your explanation as to why there was scum-motivation doesn't make ANY sense. Its D3. Do you honestly think we have looked so town that we

should

have been night-killed up to this point? Do you honestly think that we should have been night-killed over an IC and a claimed mason with said mason partner already flipped?

No. But then again reason doesn't seem to be a word in your vocabulary.

I am going to say this because I still consider you a friend and have no problem playing with you (although I can see why Cabd has blacklisted you). After you see our flip and role, you need to go back and look at your arguments. LOOK at them and figure out what the heck was wrong with them. You may not write off our flip as being obv-scum as town because its absolutely not true and I won't let you rationalize yourself out of it. If you honestly care about improving your mafia game, its essential you do this.

Lastly, I leave you with your own style.

If a man stares long enough, it will appear what that man wishes in his heart regardless of truth or fiction.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:13 am

In post 3908, ActionDan wrote:GCBC, would you be capable of making post 3905 as scum? yes/no?

I realize that you don't have much experience with me, you pretty much qualified my answer regardless, and I am not going to ask you to go read my scum-games, so I will just push that question back to you. What do you think?

Jaqen, don't you think it would have been more beneficial as scum to claim it later when closer to being lynched/when there actually would be suspicion that you are still alive rather then at the moment Cabd claimed? Like our claim didn't buy is any cred now, and I don't think it would have bought us any in the future. In fact, its been more of a lynch-sentence than anything, so no, I see no scum-motivation to claim unlimited bulletproof from where I am sitting.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:22 am

What exactly about that paragraph makes you not want to lynch me? Nothing. Point proven.

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:43 am

He didn't talk to me about claiming so I had/have no clue. Apparently he claimed because he felt like the claim would have helped to find scum, but didn't actually pan out?

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:45 pm

ActionDan, where did your Varsoon read go?

~GC

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:18 pm

I was gonna stop posting here entirely and let hawkie take over as my final middle finger to several people; but the rest of you guys deserve better. So I'm gonna make my big post and then let the dominoes fall where they may.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:08 pm

SXTLHGaiden

Gaiden is, of course, flipped scum. Sadly, due to his play style, there's not too much to go off of. Post 1216 with the buddying of Wayne's opinion on bubba's crumbs points a bit more towards bubba-town. Post 1719 is an endorcement of varsoon-town. Not really sure what to make of it. Post 2129 also points towards bubbatown; the nature of the sudden flashwagon on gaiden makes it very unlikely that he was planning on being the day one lynch when making these posts.

Kagami

Kagami is one of those players with a unique style that tends to make reading them resolve around their use of that style. In her case, it's setup spec and hard "step back" logic. I see plenty of that here. Posts 411; 412; and 419 seem to indicate town as well; even independently of the claim that is now on the table. I feel safe calling this a townread. I do need you to hard-refresh and re-evaluate your scumreads once I flip town, though. Your role and your opinion count for a lot in the night actions game from now on. If I hit the dead QT and giffy tells me you're scum, you're welcome to a free drink next time you're in California near me; because DAYMN.

Kazekirimaru

I miss you Kaze. Sorry I can't carry your torch much further, but see you soon in the dead QT I guess? I wonder if your usual 50% statistic applies to your reads, I'll probably go back and look at that before the end of the day.

Nachomamma8

Look Nacho, I get that the claims on the board make you likely town, and that you've got IRL shit going on, but you need to step it the fuck up. You've been such a non-presence in a game badly in need of your effort, and it makes me sad. Part of me hopes you're scum just so that I don't have to treat this as the new town you, but after Abyss I'm starting to wonder if you're starting to hit another round of mafia burnout regardless of alignment. If nothing else, if you're town it means you've once again lost your ability to read me and ffery, which will make the next morph scumgame sweet.

pieguyn

Your play has been pretty good, Pie. As confirmed town, it's gonna be your job to step up and take the helm of town leadership. When I flip town, don't let the others forget my reads and my walls.

Lush Life

It is still my opinion that they had a guilty on muffin, but even if they didn't, their read on muffin is a legit thing that should not be forgotten.

Saki

Saki is probably scum, if not groupscum, then here lies the probably serial killer. His play has been incredibly lazy and distractin a la FEA. If you are by some miracle town, Saki, then you need to play less like Saki and mroe like Nsin. And quickly.

Sakura Hana

Sakura is town for the interactions in this game phase. Sadly, it doesn't seem many are willing to listen to you right now. Sakura, take my townflip and rub it in their faces until they listen up.

Mac

If you're town this game, which doctor claim plus claimed macho would seem to indicate you need to step it the fuck up like nacho. I literally cannot remember a single one of your posts that have had anything of note in them. I get that flying low is a good way to not get night killed as a doctor or whatnot; but now that you're out in the open, stop sitting on your ass and play.

The Chamber of Kittens

Our other flipped scum. Having played scum with mala, she is very adverse to busing. Have yet to seriously dive chamber scum. Major interactions include post 1358 where calls both Bubba and Varsoon claims scummy, and votes Bubba. First movement at Gaiden was 1811; nothing major just light suspicion. Actually, compare 1811 to 2283, similar style.

Varsoon

I actually don't care about your alignment any more. Clearly my style and your style are completely at odds, and I really don't enjoy dealing with you. It's probably why it took me until LYLO in Xenogears to actually fight with you. I'm lkeaving it up to the rest of the game to figure you out. Hawkie still thinks you're scum so there's that.

bubbajack8

Bubba actually townslipped a few pages ago by showing genuine ignorance of the style of fakeclaims Giffy gives in themed games. I doubt it was coached so he's town. Derp. But town derp.

Messiah Complex (Desperado + FormerFish)

Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.)

dramonic

You've been a total non-presence in this game. I remember town you at least being a bit more engaged in this game and I think you're potentially scum even with the claims on the board, come to think of it.

Serene (kuribo + DrippingGoofBall + Fate)

I miss the murdercock :~(

zMuffinMan

I still think you're scum but hey. If you're town use my flip to do a hard reset, and work with the others.

Jaqen Hghar

I will never agree with your method of playing the game, as I feel it goes against both the spirit of the game and your wincon when you're town. As I've previously told you, this is not a repairable working relationship. Never join any of the games I've signed up for, as I won't be joining any you sign up for. Using an alt was rather low of you. As far as this game goes, Hawkie pretty much covered it.

Katarina LaBlanc

Katarina townslipepd like to high hell on day two, and yet some of you fail to recognize it. Putting aside her alignment for a moment, she has to be an oracle of some sort, because of the way she interacted with the backup mod ETL. I don't see scum oracle choosing that question and then outing it immediately upon day two's start.

Sadly, Kat, as much as you object to my lynch these players seem to want it badly enough. See my advice to sakura, you as well.

ActionDan

You're town from your claim and the way you led the chamber lynch, so use my flip as your wakeup call to reset. If you are actually scum then bravo, you can probably count this as one of your best games in a while.

Kise

...Actually 167 reads very interestingly given the new knowledge about the Rem slot. (FTR I think Kise is scum here) My first theory here was mafia traitor hence the whole "hey guys look GCBC/Morph is bulletproof" bullshit, but now I think he's just going for the old "too annoying and dickish to be scum" routine. The hard rem push smells like a hardbus to me, I dunno.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:09 pm

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki
for what it's worth.

GoodCop_BadCop · Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:17 pm

Also messiah can I get a single consolidated post about EXACTLY how your role works, what info you got off it, and what you know from mod questioning?