Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

No bork no!

[sangres]

I meta'd some of her completed games recently. Reading in real-time is different, but I feel like she came off way more earnest and try-hard right from the start in her earlier town games. But, I'd expect that to mellow out with more games at MS. Other than that, her play feels townish to me.[/

[Cabd]

I meta'd some of her completed games recently.

Was the rach micro one of them? And the whatever-idea micro?

[sangres]

Two newbies and the ETL whatever-idea micro.

The Rach game was ongoing at the time.

[Cabd]

That's where a part of the "model" of her towngame comes from; was taking over as mod and watching it go off.

[Flandre Scarlet]

mastin2

I'm tempted to agree about the wagon on Brian. Also leaning town on you thus far.

UNVOTE:

Brian Skies

What are you thinking of the contents of your wagon?

Kazekirimaru

If I wanted people to know who I was, I would be on my main account. That being said, you're the only one who really called out my naked vote on Brian. Townpoints to you.

Skullduggery

Yes, selfvote was an option. I did like your bit about getting used to quote walls however.

ActionDan

I'd like to see you try What are your thoughts on the Brian Skies wagon?

Venmar

What made you want to vote Metal Sonic?

orcinus_theoriginal

I'm not really understanding your interaction with Brian. If you don't want someone to declare intent/ask for a claim why did you participate in keeping him at L-1 rather than unvote before anything happened?

[Cephrir]

I'm a bit distressed that fferycho has yet to initiate any sort of action with me. For larges, sorting me is one of her first priorities usually, because of her fears of 165 (Me shaping her reads and leading her into mislynch after mislynch)

You say this a lot, but I don't feel like it ever actually happens this way.

Well, that was fast.

FUCK YEAH
I'M EXCITED AS FUCK FOR THIS GAME AND THE SCUM TEAM IS GONNA GET FUCKED
LET'S FUCKING GO

vote: Kaze

bc he's always scum \o/

Is this your scumgame pie?

'Cause this feels forced-as-hell.

Now that you mention it this does have that Amrun-FEA vibe.

Also, cephtown for now, until I waffle otherwise.

That was fast o.o

I'll be honest: When it comes to this series of questions from Kaze, my instinctive reaction is "kinda sorta feels faked". It's something I

can

see being legitimate scumhunting, but can also see as being scum faking it.
When it comes to a similar series of questions from Skull, though, my instinctive reaction is, "Oh! Yeah! That's town, alright."

Funny, the former is what this entire post feels like to me

Skull is town, Kaze is scum.

Dammit, AP. Stop stealing my thunder!
(May or may not actually be AP, but doesn't matter--AFB is town.)

Insufficient basis.

hi guyz

whats going on

Well, I think you're town, to a decent degree of certainty, but I'm going to need more from ya to be sure.

Don't see what from them can possibly be giving off townvibes atm

[5] Brian Skies (Kazekirimaru, pieguyn, Flandre Scarlet, Skullduggery, Kagami)

Not really liking this wagon. Skull's almost certainly town, and Kagami's got a high probability of being town, yet the other three...not so much. (Which is another reason to townread Brian Skies. )

Venmar (sixth on the wagon) is prob-town.

Vote: Brian

i don't think brian is scum

Is probably town, but I need more to be sure. (Seventh.)

Metal Sonic (8) is basically null, but Cephrir's aversion to the wagon feels bad. It feels like scum-WKing-town to me.

Hi, mastin. I'm Cephrir. Nice to meet you.

Brian (9 and L-2) basically solidifies himself as being town with that self-vote, by the way.

He does? =/

I can see there are more posts because I left this open for an hour but I'll read them after I post it

[Cephrir]

Also, I'm going to become increasingly pissy until someone gives me a real reason for thinking Skull is town. Or you, yes you, can nip this in the bud now by telling me! Limited time offer!

[Aegor]

Also, I'm going to become increasingly pissy until someone gives me a real reason for thinking Skull is town. Or you, yes you, can nip this in the bud now by telling me! Limited time offer!

Seconded. Also, why are you not voting Skull currently (or did I miss a vote somewhere?).

[sangres]

That's where a part of the "model" of her towngame comes from; was taking over as mod and watching it go off.

So is the early earnest tryhard stuff on the wane in her town game?

[mastin2]

pieguy is actually scum

Yes, yes he is. Problem is finding out who his scumbuddies are.

[10] Brian Skies (Kazekirimaru, pieguyn, Flandre Scarlet, Skullduggery, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuffinMan, Metal Sonic, Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

Yeeeeeeeeah, thinking Metal Sonic and Orc might be the later-scum additions to the wagon. With pie and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Kaze as early-starters. The wagon's likely not going to have all the scum on it, and I'd wager probably no more than three. (There being either 4 or 5 in the game.) Could feasibly be as low as two, though I'm not going lower than that.

Definitely think that one of or perhaps both of Kaze/Metal Sonic are scum. It's difficult to tell if Kaze is bussing, Kaze's town and Metal Sonic's scum, or Kaze's scum and Metal Sonic's town. I don't think they're both town, but that's all I've got right now.

Fun Fact: In the last Xeno game, the L-3 wagon on TD at the start of the game only had 1 scum on it.

And it was the last scum we caught.

Indeed, but this wagon feels different. It's not an all-scum wagon, but I'd be surprised if it was mostly or entirely town. Like I said, I'm betting either two or three scum on it. Probs not Skull, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuff, or Brian Skies. But could be Kaze (nullscum), pie (scum), Flandre Scarlet (null), Metal Sonic (nullscum), or orcinus (nullish, maaaaaybe nulltown; difficult to be certain).

57 is not great. Also, I hate walls of text.

If Kaze is scum, lynch this shit. Kaze made a similar wall, but which was much worse than Skull's wall--why'd you glaze over it, Aegor?

That said, if Kaze's town, I'm wagering that Cephrir is scum. I don't think both Aegor and Cephrir are scum, nor do I think Cephrir-Kaze have interacted like scumbuddies, but I do think that there's scum in those interactions.

@mastin: Not sure I follow the bro read.

How exactly can you not? They're obvtown as hell. Even better, their reads are sorta in synch with my own.

Cabd's becoming a townread. Am liking the sangres interactions as well.

Maybe if I knew Flandre's main, this sort of post wouldn't ring all kinds of alarm bells. Since I don't, it does.

Ceph continues to look bad, and I don't understand the townreads there at all.

/caught up.

[Cabd]

That's where a part of the "model" of her towngame comes from; was taking over as mod and watching it go off.

So is the early earnest tryhard stuff on the wane in her town game?

It tends to come out in bursts near midgame and endgame nowadays.

[sangres]

Also, I'm going to become increasingly pissy until someone gives me a real reason for thinking Skull is town. Or you, yes you, can nip this in the bud now by telling me! Limited time offer!

Meta reasons, mostly. The quote stripe walls are typical of Skullduggery's play from what I've seen, and the questions themselves look like what I've seen in her town games. Especially the ill-fated Tales uPick.

[mastin2]

Oh!

Just realized.

Fuck yeah, this game's a town win.

BRO is town.
Nacho is town.

They never lose.

We win.

I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

[Cephrir]

Also, I'm going to become increasingly pissy until someone gives me a real reason for thinking Skull is town. Or you, yes you, can nip this in the bud now by telling me! Limited time offer!

Seconded. Also, why are you not voting Skull currently (or did I miss a vote somewhere?).

I only mildly suspect him, I'm just flustered by these magic townreads growing out of the ground from literally everyone

[Cabd]

Especially the ill-fated Tales uPick.

For a game so short and broken, that barely got past RVS, you sure seem to like using meta from it a ton.

[sangres]

Especially the ill-fated Tales uPick.

For a game so short and broken, that barely got past RVS, you sure seem to like using meta from it a ton.

That was the first game (and prior to this one, the only game) where I had an early, almost immediate, town-sense from Skullduggery's posting. It was a watershed game for me in a lot of ways. I am still quite sad that it was so broken because even without all the role pm inno childs I got tons of town reads in the first 10 pages.

[Cephrir]

[10] Brian Skies (Kazekirimaru, pieguyn, Flandre Scarlet, Skullduggery, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuffinMan, Metal Sonic, Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

Yeeeeeeeeah, thinking Metal Sonic and Orc might be the later-scum additions to the wagon. With pie and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Kaze as early-starters. The wagon's likely not going to have all the scum on it, and I'd wager probably no more than three. (There being either 4 or 5 in the game.) Could feasibly be as low as two, though I'm not going lower than that.

This might be the most meaningless thing anyone has ever written.

If you think the wagon is scummy, why do you dislike me for not jumping on it?

Definitely think that one of or perhaps both of Kaze/Metal Sonic are scum. It's difficult to tell if Kaze is bussing, Kaze's town and Metal Sonic's scum, or Kaze's scum and Metal Sonic's town. I don't think they're both town, but that's all I've got right now.

What about that post makes you think completely precludes them from both being town? o.o

The Kaze-town MS-scum possibility from that post makes especially little sense to me.

Fun Fact: In the last Xeno game, the L-3 wagon on TD at the start of the game only had 1 scum on it.

And it was the last scum we caught.

Indeed, but this wagon feels different. It's not an all-scum wagon, but I'd be surprised if it was mostly or entirely town. Like I said, I'm betting either two or three scum on it. Probs not Skull, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuff, or Brian Skies. But could be Kaze (nullscum), pie (scum), Flandre Scarlet (null), Metal Sonic (nullscum), or orcinus (nullish, maaaaaybe nulltown; difficult to be certain).

57 is not great. Also, I hate walls of text.

If Kaze is scum, lynch this shit. Kaze made a similar wall, but which was much worse than Skull's wall--why'd you glaze over it, Aegor?

That said, if Kaze's town, I'm wagering that Cephrir is scum. I don't think both Aegor and Cephrir are scum, nor do I think Cephrir-Kaze have interacted like scumbuddies, but I do think that there's scum in those interactions.

You obviously are already wagering that I'm scum? Also, I can't help noticing how good you are at seeming to have reasons for suspicions because you like speculating about pairs so much but you don't actually have any reason for anything...

Ceph continues to look bad, and I don't understand the townreads there at all.

/caught up.

Literally can't believe you just handwaved my entire post

I guess I'm scum via some sort of mystical process known only to you that must not be shared at all costs lest it fall into the wrong hands

Oh!

Just realized.

Fuck yeah, this game's a town win.

BRO is town.
Nacho is town.

They never lose.

We win.

I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

There is not nearly enough evidence to support either of these reads

Vote mastin

[Cephrir]

[10] Brian Skies (Kazekirimaru, pieguyn, Flandre Scarlet, Skullduggery, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuffinMan, Metal Sonic, Brian Skies, orcinus_theoriginal)

Yeeeeeeeeah, thinking Metal Sonic and Orc might be the later-scum additions to the wagon. With pie and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Kaze as early-starters. The wagon's likely not going to have all the scum on it, and I'd wager probably no more than three. (There being either 4 or 5 in the game.) Could feasibly be as low as two, though I'm not going lower than that.

This might be the most meaningless thing anyone has ever written.

If you think the wagon is scummy, why do you dislike me for not jumping on it?

Definitely think that one of or perhaps both of Kaze/Metal Sonic are scum. It's difficult to tell if Kaze is bussing, Kaze's town and Metal Sonic's scum, or Kaze's scum and Metal Sonic's town. I don't think they're both town, but that's all I've got right now.

What about that post makes you think completely precludes them from both being town? o.o

The Kaze-town MS-scum possibility from that post makes especially little sense to me.

Fun Fact: In the last Xeno game, the L-3 wagon on TD at the start of the game only had 1 scum on it.

And it was the last scum we caught.

Indeed, but this wagon feels different. It's not an all-scum wagon, but I'd be surprised if it was mostly or entirely town. Like I said, I'm betting either two or three scum on it. Probs not Skull, Kagami, Varsoon, zMuff, or Brian Skies. But could be Kaze (nullscum), pie (scum), Flandre Scarlet (null), Metal Sonic (nullscum), or orcinus (nullish, maaaaaybe nulltown; difficult to be certain).

57 is not great. Also, I hate walls of text.

If Kaze is scum, lynch this shit. Kaze made a similar wall, but which was much worse than Skull's wall--why'd you glaze over it, Aegor?

That said, if Kaze's town, I'm wagering that Cephrir is scum. I don't think both Aegor and Cephrir are scum, nor do I think Cephrir-Kaze have interacted like scumbuddies, but I do think that there's scum in those interactions.

You obviously are already wagering that I'm scum? Also, I can't help noticing how good you are at seeming to have reasons for suspicions because you like speculating about pairs so much but you don't actually have any reason for anything...

Ceph continues to look bad, and I don't understand the townreads there at all.

/caught up.

Literally can't believe you just handwaved my entire post

I guess I'm scum via some sort of mystical process known only to you that must not be shared at all costs lest it fall into the wrong hands

Oh!

Just realized.

Fuck yeah, this game's a town win.

BRO is town.
Nacho is town.

They never lose.

We win.

I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

There is not nearly enough evidence to support either of these reads

Vote mastin

close enough to fixed to be readable

[Cabd]

Cephrir sucks at quote tags. Trufax.

[Cephrir]

tags is hard cabd

so is previewing

[mastin2]

1. ActionDan
^Nullish-town. Need more from Danny boy, but his posting thusfar sorta seems town.

2. Aegor
^Scummy. Can be scum with Kaze easily, but I see him as town if Kaze is town. I also see him as town if Cephrir is scum.

3. Angry Frat Bros (BROseidon + AngryPidgeon)
^Town. These guys are townposting like champs.

4. Brian Skies
^Also town. Brian Skies gives off the aura of a town player who doesn't give a crap about the wagon on him. He's relaxed, he's casual, and he's also not being a lurkaderp; he's still putting time, effort, and analysis into the game.

5. Cabd
^Town. I admittedly do not know Cabd that well; I'm not sure I've seen his scumgame and am not intimately familiar with his towngame. But his posting so far just feels like town, and that's good enough for me.

6. Cephrir
^Scummy, and opposite of Aegor: if Kaze's town, he's scum. If Aegor's scum, though, he'd be town.

7. Flandre Scarlet
^Nullish-scum.

8. Kagami
^Town. I can see the aura of towniness emitting from Kagami right now, and it is clear as can be.

9. Kazekirimaru
^Nullish-scum. While I can see elements of a town mindset present, for the most part, what I'm seeing just doesn't

feel

town. Right now, I'm actually guessing town with Pie/Cephrir as scum, but it easily could be Pie/Aegor/Kaze.

10. macmollie (mac + pirate mollie)
^Fairly decently town. Mollie hasn't done much, but what she has done gave me an immediate townvibe from her.

11. MafiaSSK
^Also town. This is SSK's townmeta, through-and-through, and his posting has been goodposting, too.

13. Metal Sonic
^Nullish-scum. Not liking his posting so far.

14. orcinus_theoriginal
^Nullish-town. Could be scum, but the claim makes me lean slightly towards town.

15. pieguyn
^Scum. This isn't a town pie. I don't know how I know this, but it simply...

isn't

.

16. sangres (fferyllt + Nachomamma8)
^Town. Sangres's posting so far has definitely been that of their towngame.

17. Skullduggery
^Also town. Meta points help, but I also found that Skull's posting regardless of meta still looked town overall, because it didn't feel forced, it didn't feel faked; it felt like natural town posting.

18. Varsoon
^Also also town. This is Varsoon's townposting.

19. Venmar
^Null. Don't really remember Venmar's posting, which is a bad sign.

20. zMuffinMan
^Town. This is a town-Muffin, through-and-through.

I'll be back later to compile this into an official list; short on time, so gotta go.

[Cabd]

1. ActionDan
^Nullish-town. Need more from Danny boy, but his posting thusfar sorta seems town.

I'm about to destroy all of you. And I won't spare the children.

...

[Cabd]

That's literally his entire fucking ISO, mastin.

[Cabd]

So talk to me about how post 221 makes him lean town.