Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

[HGH7193]

I dig out tiny caves, and store gold and silver in them.
I also build bridges of silver and make crowns of gold.
They are the smallest you could imagine.
Sooner or later everybody needs my help, yet many people are afraid to let me help them. Who am I?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This game is turning into fluff city haven't had a pc been posting on phone expect something from me later and not a wall because Jesus I don't read them and I don't expect anyone else to since it's mostly a waste

[Justin Playfair]

And ours is the opposite, both "I don't know" and null reaction display a willingness to define your stance, therefore the need to acknowledge your stance to yourself. RVS precludes stance definition.

Oh poppycock. The very act of putting down an rvs vote after what happened pregame indicates a stance every bit as definitive as "I don't know" or a null reaction. If anything, slightly more definitive, as it lacks the defensive cover and wiggle room that an "I don't know" or a null reaction offers. By placing their RVS votes those players have, by their actions, made it clear that they did not believe the pregame hijinks were relevant to the game. But the notion that "I don't know" or a null reaction serves as anything more meaningful than a placeholder for a future epiphany is naive in a way that does not seem entirely natural.

And this?

therefore the need to acknowledge your stance to yourself.

Would you be so kind as to explain precisely what you mean by the above? Because in context it seems to indicate that the reason for posting "I don't know" or a null reaction would be to show others that you'd thought about it. That seems more likely to come from a scummy place than a townie one.

So far, there has been no answer, he appears to have vanished.

Does this make you more certainly believe he is scum?

As for acting in concert, what I'm expecting is a conversation with him, but instead I'm apparently dealing with this seemingly proxy obstruction. So be it.

Well...you expected this too.

we would have expected you to parse the meaning without stating it explicitly.

And you're wrong on two counts at the end of your statement. First, that I could obstruct a conversation that isn't happening, as you noted just above. Second, that I'm acting as a proxy, which would suggest that I am offering answers on his behalf, which I am not. So at this point I've not only revealed the secret of pressure votes in the game of Mafia but I've also gotten in the way of you watching the thread in peace for an answer from hgh.

Since you did bring it up, though, would you care to explain how you believe I'm obstructing you from having a conversation with hgh?

[Justin Playfair]

I dig out tiny caves, and store gold and silver in them.
I also build bridges of silver and make crowns of gold.
They are the smallest you could imagine.
Sooner or later everybody needs my help, yet many people are afraid to let me help them. Who am I?

You're a dentist who is going to get himself lynched. If you're town you should try to keep that from happening.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I dig out tiny caves, and store gold and silver in them.
I also build bridges of silver and make crowns of gold.
They are the smallest you could imagine.
Sooner or later everybody needs my help, yet many people are afraid to let me help them. Who am I?

You're a dentist who is going to get himself lynched. If you're town you should try to keep that from happening.

Here's the irony about that you say hes going to get lynched but your vote isn't on him and even then he's not the one we're lynching today.

Im refusing to read this fluff crap of a game but its obvious that HGH is not bright.
Krystal is playing bad scum. Or just a horrible player not sure which yet

[Justin Playfair]

your vote isn't on him

No it isn't.

its obvious that HGH is not bright.

This is why. Or rather that he is playing badly.

[Justin Playfair]

Krystal is playing bad scum. Or just a horrible player not sure which yet

Would tend to agree with you here as well. The question is whether it might be just a horrible case of confirmation bias, in favor of Mala and against TSO, based on personal likes and dislikes.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Krystal is playing bad scum. Or just a horrible player not sure which yet

Would tend to agree with you here as well. The question is whether it might be just a horrible case of confirmation bias, in favor of Mala and against TSO, based on personal likes and dislikes.

I see where you are coming from with the confirmation bias but it was from the start with the arguing and eventual replacement of Tammy. Or maybe I am reading to much into thinks but Its obvious they're not on the same team and if they are they had problems outside of this game but what do I know.

[Krystal Bald]

Might be following Tammy out of here, depending on what my hydra partner thinks. This game has been thoroughly unenjoyable.

[insanity018]

I dig out tiny caves, and store gold and silver in them.
I also build bridges of silver and make crowns of gold.
They are the smallest you could imagine.
Sooner or later everybody needs my help, yet many people are afraid to let me help them. Who am I?

That's a nice riddle. Could you please answer the questions?

@Julatorium, the pre-game stuff was null for me and I was actually hoping that we could move away from the hostility.

@Mala, what reaction were you looking to get from Tammy?

[Malakittens]

Hey Mantis <3

I got it, but wasn't how I wanted to get it. It's get clearer when you play with Tammy. I didn't want to engage her to replace out, but attempt to sort her and get a confident read on her slot. I'm not really sure why the level of my sorting got her to replace out, but I can deff say that I don't believe it has anything to do with an outgame issue from the past or a personal issue outside of mafia. (when this game is over I'm going to have to talk to her about this.)

[Krystal Bald]

elmo, stfu

-mantis

i was telling nikanor that i'll take over for a bit, instead of seeing our way out.

problem for me is, i have no reads :s yet..

[Krystal Bald]

Krystal is playing bad scum. Or just a horrible player not sure which yet

Would tend to agree with you here as well. The question is whether it might be just a horrible case of confirmation bias, in favor of Mala and against TSO, based on personal likes and dislikes.

you can stfu too!

[Krystal Bald]

alright, gonna read through the thread to see who looks like the scum

[Krystal Bald]

/confirm.

Hi Nikanor!

Also hey guys guess what? This slot is now confirmed town. Sleepy told me I'm not allowed to post in the game if we drew scum after I told him how much I hated scum and sucked at it. So, I'm posting ergo town. Aren't we all lucky!

i believe this

[Krystal Bald]

ahh that's tammy's slot, yes?

i think town

[Krystal Bald]

Why can't we be friends?

^scummish

..in relation with dot's, tso's and jul's convo

[Krystal Bald]

I'm looking forward to starting, too. Has everyone confirmed their role PM?

cute

[Krystal Bald]

Maybe you're just having a god ol laugh

Although as long as we're on the topic this was clearly role fishing at the highest possible level.

what?

[Malakittens]

Aaaand Mantis recieved a town pm

[Krystal Bald]

*sigh* flavor b, I guess, but I want to take part in champagne and wine tasting preferably often otherwise it's gonna be a complete bore!

VOTE: riddleton

I should probably vote tso for making my other head leave, but he was among those taking trolling way too seriously, but I only signed up for this game in the first place to hydra with him and he leaves me before it even starts. I'm not happy right now, I'm probably going to be a little testy about this, so don't start with me. I'm doing my best to keep games pleasant after too many hostile games lately, and it's not your fault he left me and he's been very apologetic, but I'm not starting in the best of moods right now. /mini rant

Anyway not rvs vote.

aww. maybe that's what made you sub out moreso, than the mala reaction test. or combo of both. too bad

[Krystal Bald]

Aaaand Mantis recieved a town pm

thankfully yes! lol

[Krystal Bald]

yay, mala if you are town, we can work together. still reading the thread.. >.>

[Malakittens]

yay, mala if you are town, we can work together. still reading the thread.. >.>

I'm town, and yeah, that would be helpful if we can work together.

[Krystal Bald]

so far, page 3. i think tammy and riddle are town.

mala i think is town for recent posts.


page 4.. this:

Flavour: A

VOTE: Riddleton

So how do you plan to move the game forward?

seems scummy, considering i think riddle is town