===Mini 1615: Locked in the Asylum=== GAME OVER

[Untrod Tripod]

apparently I was though

goddamn

seriously though what is the upside there to fakeclaiming a neighbor role?

[MattP]

I still think UT is scum and is deliberately being offensive to promote destructive tone and discussion btw

[Untrod Tripod]

I have never in the past done that as scum and you have no reason to believe that I am doing that now

[MattP]

the jealousy is strong with this one.

just call your lazy fucking sheep vote what it is

yeah your post was adorable and I don't give a fuck about it

great analysis bro A+ #1 you'll be a star in this league in no time

on a side note I am so fucking sick of seeing posts like this in games

shameless sheeping should be auto policy lynch. stamp this lazy cowardly bullshit out.

translation: "I plan on being absolutely fucking useless this game"

sheeping is not working together. sheeping is being a lazy fucknut

we're you dropped as a child?

[MattP]

I have never in the past done that as scum

Ok

and you have no reason to believe that I am doing that now

I do, I explicitly stated my reasoning

[Untrod Tripod]

okay Matt

fuck you.

I'm done talking to you.

[MattP]

You need to tone down on the insults. Seriously.

[LimMePls]

I have a lot to say, but I am on a tablet. Huge post Inc tomorrow. However, want to comment on something now, in case I forget.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Matt, my vote is yours as long as you vote those two.

translation: "I plan on being absolutely fucking useless this game"

Translation: I hate when town work together to lynch us. Must doubtcast.

sheeping is not working together. sheeping is being a lazy fucknut

Wrong. Sheeping is not necessarily being lazy and IS unquestionably working together. This was scumposting.

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm replacing out. This playerlist combined with this mechanic is going to be like bashing my head into a brick wall. Bye.

[MattP]

I am explaining a scumread I have, telling me to fuck myself because I'm not seeing eye-to-eye with you is rude. Or asking if someone was dropped as a child. Or calling someone a lazy fucknut. Fine, replace out

[MattP]

It's hard for me to ever get over my scumread on you when whenever I talk to you you curse at me or call me names! Or other people! Whatever

[MattP]

Like, yeah, I had an antagonizing long-winded post picking at you for being offensive to other people, and you called me out, and I didn't do it again. I never cursed at you, I am just playing the game. Maybe my posts are coming off completely wrong to you

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

"I think he also misunderstood the rules, but because he didn't meet some arbitrary level on contrition I'm going to say I'm scumreading him because ~reasons~"

great analysis bro A+ #1 you'll be a star in this league in no time

I didn't ask for your repentence nor was my #43 was based on not admitting misunderstanding of the morning phase.

Nice job twisting my case into what it isn't though.

you say, having filled your ISO with activity related IIoA and baseless reads

A lot of your ISO consist of fluff, a crappy reply to my #43 which missed the point of why I made the vote on you, scummy reaction to MattP's post, and hostility towards others. I don't think you have the right go call others unproductive.

Good thing votes don't count in this phase

I can move my pseudo-vote if you want

Why are you asking TSQ for approval to move your pseudo-vote, especially when you already have UT and Metal Sonic as scum reads?

What does any of this have to do with Konowa being scum?

Konowa mentioned that he talked to UT in Konowa's Bluetooth thread about how the phase worked. shaddowez then called out Konowa for mentioning it, mentioning how the only form of Bluetooth communication known was the scum QT unless neighbors was involved. UT then claimed that he was neighbor with Konowa ten minutes after shaddowez called Konowa out.

I'm not sold on Konowa being town. Konowa fence-sit his read on UT and pretty much does nothing to explain his read on LMP, just basically said "Lynch him!" I'll be keeping an eye on Konowa.

I'd also love to hear more about what people think about the Konowa/UT neighbors. Considering the theory of this game, and the fact that we're all supposed to be connected all the time, including hearing the scum talk, I'm really going to be surprised if there's neighbors.

you think we made that up?

we're you dropped as a child?

Even if there are neighbors, that does not absolve you of your scummy behaviors. Neighbors have no guaranteed on your alliances and just because you might be a neighbor with Konowa doesn't mean that you're town.

I'm replacing out. This playerlist combined with this mechanic is going to be like bashing my head into a brick wall. Bye.

Yeah I like my vote on you.

[MattP]

Why are you asking TSQ for approval to move your pseudo-vote, especially when you already have UT and Metal Sonic as scum reads?

I was making a point, not asking for approval...

[Metal Sonic]

Lmao Matt is scum with LMP


And Titus is sheeping scum like a boss gj

[shos]

Untrod Tripod has requested replacement.
Keep it civil, regardless, you madmen.

[Konowa]

Prod received. Will post in a few.

[LimMePls]

Why not propose an answer to the question "why does he have so many fake votes" instead of just asking. What do you think? For someone who complained about fluff like 3 times in this post, the entire post itself is fluff.

I have to agree.

Pere, do you think my posts are more fluffy than yours?

Only about 45% of them. But I may be confused as to your play, since I was convinced of town you in Timeshift- and it was not this.

Elaborate on this please. How is his play here different from his obv-Town play in Timeshift?

Because my answer is you seem to be jumping right into scumhunting, which is a good thing. But now, it's probably because you seem hyper-aggressive to everyone. So, you are right, I did answer my own question.

This post is shorthand, because I don't have time for explaining the backstory behind each question. They will either get it because they already know, or they will ask.

If it seemed he was jumping into scumhunting, and that is a good thing, then what was the point of the question? I want the backstory to this question, and I want your read of TSQ.

I don't like Metal Sonic's 53. He's happy with the gamestate but isn't willing to actually contribute to advancing it.

Agree with this.

I don't like Metal Sonic's 53. He's happy with the gamestate but isn't willing to actually contribute to advancing it. Guyett is in a similar situation but isn't as explicity complacent.

Unvote. Vote: Metal Sonic.

Radically disagree with this. How was Guyett not "explicitly complacent"?

"Hand-wringing"? It's not like I'm trying to decide if something should or shouldn't be said, I'm outright saying it was a bad idea.
Attack? I asked if he thought it was a bad idea (which he hasn't answered, BTW). Never said I thought he was scum based on it, or did anything that would qualify as an "attack"
Your next line about figuring out their strategy and using it is completely counter-intuitive to the argument you're making against me. I agree that understanding how scum are playing and deciding who is scum based on that makes complete sense, but somebody saying "this is how they should play" undermines that by them now not playing that way.

I never said "Even if this were true", as I never assigned factual truth to what SSB said. I said "Even if scum were to play like this", because I don't know what their plan is.
Not contributing my own ideas - well, if my post was about giving out optimal scum strategy being a bad idea, what ideas am I supposed to give? Sub-optimum scum ideas? It's certainly not going to be more strategy.

Yes, hand-wringing. You didn't come right out and say it was bad, like you claim to hear. You said "Even if scum were going to do this,

don't you think

spelling out "optimum scum strategy" is a bad idea?"

That's not giving a strong opinion, that's implying a position while giving yourself a back door if town doesn't like what you're saying. I call this behavior "wishy-washy". "Hand-wringing" works too.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

for impersonating DGB

We're so far passed RVS this is scummy.

and what if i don't?

Not a town mindset.

I'd probably shoot and/or lynch LMP for #80.

Good

than what was this?

Pretty much confirms my suspicion that he was only calling post 80 bad because others he wanted to blend with called it bad.

MS, if you feel that post 80 was so bad. Why are you voting UT?

MattP, you get a sheep for your UT argument.

VOTE: UT

votes in this phase dont count

these are all 100% troll votes

Because they can't directly cause a lynch now, they have no value besides "troll votes"? This is not a town mindset.

Oh well, I'm nice, here goes:

Post #80, although looking large and helpful, contributes nothing of substance to the gamestate. Zero. Zilch. LynchmePls does not generate any insight, any opinions, or any analysis into the gamestate. He's trying to look as if he is contributing by providing reads, and even making a pretty 'helpful' reads list at the end of his post, but fails to provide any reasoning for 5/6 of his reads -> referring to those in the non-null pile. Specifically, TSQ, UT, and the other four scumreads. According to the post, the only player that he has expressed suspicion on is myself. Where did the other three scumreads come from?

What does being "nice" have to do with it? Do you see participation in the game as being "nice" to us?

How can you say it contributed nothing to the gamestate. It provoked responses from easily half the thread, if not more. What do you mean by a post contributing to the gamestate? As for "analysis", I pointed to key posts that I thought were relevant and gave an opinion on them. I'd be happy to elaborate on any of them if I am asked, but I don't think people want to read a thesis on everything I find worthy of pointing to.

Anyway, Guyett, shadowez and SSBF magically appear on LynchmePls's scumreads despite barely being mentioned at any point in post #80? Wasn't I the main superstar of his post? How did Guyett take my number 1 top rank for his scumreads?

How can you say Guyett, shaddowez or SSBF are "magically" on my scumreads? The explanations are right there in that post. If you don't see how I reached my conclusions on any of those players, why didn't you ask me about them?

Finally, cases are scummy, and he was begging me for one.

Is this the site meta now? Cause, if so, I'm going to go back into retirement.

Your turn, sweetie pie~

See above. That's how town respond to such a challenge. They don't say "What if I don't", and then only grudgingly comply when shown pressure.

Congratulation on the baby LMP! May he or she have a bright future.

She, and thanks!

Voting for coffee now is BAD. Why do you want a short day?

So you grasp this concept enough that you could immediately express it under pressure from TSQ, but you were still advocating a quick coffee drink. EXPLAIN NOW.

Also notice how he fell over himself to appease TSQ under the slightest of pressure.

The first point is outdated, the second where you claimed I was still advocating a quick coffee drink at #43 is wrong. By the time I posted #43, I had already retracted my position for a short day because I was mistaken in regards to how long the Morning Phase lasted (I though it was three days maximum, not three days minimum). #43 was posted upon me understanding correctly how the Morning Phase worked rather than my misconception about the morning phase when I made my push to end the Morning Phase. I also don't see how I "fell over myself" when responding to him.

Lets look at this more in depth.

In post 23, you say that morning only lasts 3 days, and that the scum have to submit the kill during morning, so you think we should quick drink coffee.

Then, post 30, UT sheep's your argument and drinks coffee. In 31, you then encourage others (I'm guessing the people in game who you saw online at the time) to join you.

Then, under pressure, you supply this post:

Titus and everyone else, I'd suggesting voting Let's Drink Some Coffee as soon as possible. If we can avoid a Night Kill on a townie, that would be really helpful.

Vote:SSBF

That's just never going to happen. 3 day minimum. The only effect would be that WE would only get a very short period of time to discuss and make a lynch happen on day one. Did you not know this and if you didn't why did you try to explain the rules to me when you did not understand them yourself?

No I did not know this. As a matter of fact, I noticed I misread the Morning Phase part right before shaddowez pointed it out. I ended up confusing the "3 days minimum" part for "3 days maximum" part and thought that the optimal plan was to get everyone to vote Let's Get Some Coffee to avoid a night kill on a townie. Turns out it was a major misreading on my part.

BUT, if that were true, why did you have 2 posts on page one (one being an RVS vote) where you were not pushing for the quick drink coffee plan? In other words, if you thought we could potentially skip the morning and avoid a night kill, why did you waste time not pushing for that as hard as you could?

And then we have:

So tell me, are you scum? What is optimum scum strategy given your new understanding of the rules? What is optimum town strategy? Who is your favorite pokemon? Can you tell me two things about the rule set we should be extra careful about?

- No.
- The optimum scum strategy would be to vote to get some coffee as soon as they've found a mislynch they can pursue. Scums will want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going. Scums are not going to expect townies to agree that their mislynch of choice is the best lynch for the day.
- Town should not be pursuing a lynch until the town has come to a conclusion on who is the most likely scum. Town's best ally is information and we need to make sure we aren't cut off from more information that could be helpful towards us winning. To have the best chance of lynching scum, town should not get coffee until they are in agreement on who is the most likely scum.
- Squirtle is my favorite because he's a bad-ass Pokémon and I absolutely love 1st gen of Pokémon (only beaten by the 2nd gen). It's too bad he got cut from Smash 3DS & Wii U thought; really wanted him to return.
- One thing we should be extremely careful about is how the day and night phase works. I made a big mistake of confusing how the morning phase works, so all of us (especially myself) need to keep in mind that the Morning Phase is a minimum of three days, not a maximum of three day. The Morning phase lasts for at least three days even if we all vote to get coffee before then and the phase does not end until we vote for coffee. The Evening or the Coffee Phase lasts for forty eight hours which is where a lynch will happen and the Night Phase lasts for forty eight hours.

We also need to be careful about methods used for scum hunting. While screen capping when players logged in (for those who show it) and the posts in the "Search user's posts" section, I realized that I had concerns over what was acceptable to screen capped. I then PM'd shos over what was acceptable to screen capped and he answered it basically like his notice here. We need to pay special attention to this rule because the last thing we want to happen is to have a townie mod-killed because they accidentally posted on-going game information.

Where you seem to have a very good grasp on the idea that drinking coffee quick is bad for town. But, according to you, you'd only realized how the timing worked an hour before. So, as a TL;DR, here is how your behavior looked to me:

RVS -> Sees potential to egg on quick coffee -> advocates quick coffee -> gets called out -> immediately supplies the reasons for why drinking coffee early is bad

Given that chain of events, you look like someone who didn't want to initially push for quick coffee, but if discussion even slightly turned toward it, were eager to promote it, and then was worried about how your pushing of it would impact town's read of you. Which is a scum mindset.

VOTE: TSQ

Good thing votes don't count in this phase

I can move my pseudo-vote if you want

Saying votes don't count in this phase is scummy. They have the exact same impact as they do in regular games, except if we go from L-1 to L, we have to then drink coffee before we can officially seal the deal.

I think we should agree to all vote the player who has the most pseudovotes when the coffee phase begins. Otherwise it'e likely things will devolve to chaos. It's hard enough to get a lynch together on mafiascum.net lately without only having 48 hours to do it. I'm not sure how we're going to deal with claiming though.

I like this, but would revise it. The way we should play this mechanic is that we all agree if a player reaches L votes, we will drink coffee and lynch that player. If we hit deadline, and no player reached L, then we lynch the player with the most votes in morning phase.

this is true.

strangely.

I think you're scum

strangely.

I don't give a shit about your opinion


Strangely

Cause normally I do

Hmm

So, what does that say about Matt? Can you elaborate on this?

Also, what is with the "Hmm" at the end of your posts? What purpose does that serve?

Woops.

@Mod: This doesn't actually count as activity, right?

I'm actually agreeing with Sonic at this point about LMP. Post 80 (which I know is the same post everyone talking about LMP is using, because it's the only post he's made worth talking about) has a lot of words and quotes, but almost no content. I'm not sure if it's how he usually posts or not, but his text vs. quotes is confusing as all get out (to me at least), making it difficult to follow which quote he's talking about at any given time.

I won't knock him for not responding yet as he's V/LA over the weekend, but not liking him so far.

I'd also love to hear more about what people think about the Konowa/UT neighbors. Considering the theory of this game, and the fact that we're all supposed to be connected all the time, including hearing the scum talk, I'm really going to be surprised if there's neighbors.

Pere

- You mentioned drinking coffee as close to the max time as possible. What do you think of dry-fits idea of agreeing to basically auto-vote whoever has the most hypothetical votes at the time we go into evening phase?

Guyett

- Do you have any thoughts on this game yet, in any aspect?

Explain how post 80 had almost no content. I provided relative reads on every player in the game (something almost no one else has done), as well as highlighted posts that I felt were worth pointing out and probing a couple of people on issues I felt needed addressing. If that isn't content, I don't know what is.

I also don't know how to make my quoting and then responding less "confusing". It seems pretty straightforward to me. Anytime I'm behind more than a page or so, I read everything I haven't commented on yet, quote the posts that I think need commenting on, and add my thoughts/comments. Then, whenever I do a post like that, at the end I like to put up my town/scum metere, as a sort of "TL;DR".

Why are you so concerned about the neighbors? They almost certainly wouldn't fake claim it, and all we could discuss about it is setup speculation. What exactly do you want us to "discuss" about it?

It's hard for me to ever get over my scumread on you when whenever I talk to you you curse at me or call me names! Or other people! Whatever

Why is him calling you names interfering with your scumread on him? I'd like you to expand on this more.

Konowa mentioned that he talked to UT in Konowa's Bluetooth thread about how the phase worked. shaddowez then called out Konowa for mentioning it, mentioning how the only form of Bluetooth communication known was the scum QT unless neighbors was involved. UT then claimed that he was neighbor with Konowa ten minutes after shaddowez called Konowa out.

Gonna need to go back and re-read this, but if this is true, it is really good posting.

@Konowa

Did you discuss how the drinking coffee works in a qt with UT? Did he give you the impression that he understood it?

If that is true, then combined with the UT quick coffee drink, UT-slot is probably scum.

TOWN

Thestatusquo
MattP
Titus
Konowa*
Dry-fit
Anatole Kuragin
PeregrineV
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Untrod Tripod*
shaddowez
Guyett
Metal Sonic

SCUM

*Conditional on some stuff involving Konowa-UT QT.

[Guyett]

Should probably have announced V/La for the last weekend, was at a wedding on Saturday and then recovering yesterday. Will try catch up now.

BTW I can see only one pro town reason for rushing a coffee morning vote, by my reckoning scum have to decide who to kill before the coffee decision happens so if the decision to go for coffee happens before scum can come to an agreement on who to kill then there's no kill. We should have some sort of idea when scum have decided who to kill as we can see what they're saying in the scum QT.

[LimMePls]

BTW I can see only one pro town reason for rushing a coffee morning vote, by my reckoning scum have to decide who to kill before the coffee decision happens so if the decision to go for coffee happens before scum can come to an agreement on who to kill then there's no kill. We should have some sort of idea when scum have decided who to kill as we can see what they're saying in the scum QT.

The morning is minimum 72 hours though. So quick coffee is highly unlikely to stop a kill.

But it gets worse. Suppose you are correct, and right after day started we could all vote drink coffee and it immediately goes into the coffee phase. How would you expect us to secure a good lynch in 48 hours? Who benefits more from a very short day, town or scum?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'll support a UT lynch as of now when we go to coffee.

[Guyett]

BTW I can see only one pro town reason for rushing a coffee morning vote, by my reckoning scum have to decide who to kill before the coffee decision happens so if the decision to go for coffee happens before scum can come to an agreement on who to kill then there's no kill. We should have some sort of idea when scum have decided who to kill as we can see what they're saying in the scum QT.

The morning is minimum 72 hours though. So quick coffee is highly unlikely to stop a kill.

But it gets worse. Suppose you are correct, and right after day started we could all vote drink coffee and it immediately goes into the coffee phase. How would you expect us to secure a good lynch in 48 hours? Who benefits more from a very short day, town or scum?

I didn't see that morning is minimum 72 hours... have yet to get properly into the game.

Scum for sure benefit the short day

[Thestatusquo]

Need to read the thread from the weekend but I will note that UTs attack on titus feels contrived. Titus was actually CLEARLY NOT sheeping. He said that MattPs vote would be his if mattP was voting in the area of the two people he had already said he found scummy.

Did you miss that, UT, or did you purposefully ignore it?

Are you a clownfuck scumbutt?

[Thestatusquo]

I have never in the past done that as scum and you have no reason to believe that I am doing that now

This is not an accurate statement. Or, rather, it's incomplete.

UT is right that I don't think I've seen him deliberately as scum, however I find that his posting style as both town and scum does do this. That said, I think its a thoroughly weak attack.

[Thestatusquo]

I'll support a UT lynch as of now when we go to coffee.

I think UTs actual replacement supports the supposition that he was simply frustrated with his game. The only other reason to suspect him stems from his quick coffee drink. As you have not adequately explained your suspicion of UT I find it hard to know what to say to this and which it was, but I'll just say I find the first thing null and the second thing minorly scummy at best.