Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

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/sigh

alright

point taken

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(tth is a she, titus. just fyi.)

because i'm just an incorrigible meddler, i'll actually jump in here

The only thing that pauses me on Titus-town atm is GC v Titus because I know Titus-scum and played with her a few games to know that she's a mastermind diabolica scum and this whole dance reminds me of a recent off-site game. So I wouldn't put it past titus to go after her partner in order to win off of a type of bus like this.~

hey mala

pull up a chair



so, i don't really understand your titus read and how much meta factors into it or why meta SHOULD factor into it or why the meta you're citing has any significance with what's going on here. FURTHERMORE, i don't really understand the caveat i quoted here and how it plays into the overall read.

please walk me through it.

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the blue one is so much better w/ the dark skin

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dave if i have to go back and re evaluate the read on your slot i'm not going to be happy

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Just search Kaboose's ISO and Ctrl+f "gc" or "green". You will see why they are partners.

just did this and i see what you're saying

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As expected, what you're pushing is just wrong. Instead of directly responding to you, because it's not my responsibility to correct your errors, I will simply state my development of thoughts.

1. Before D1 lynch, I thought the scum team was (in order of confidence): (1) Mala, (2) Ranger, (3) Kaboose.

2. Before D2, I read Kaboose's ISO and Titus's ISO.

3. At D2's start, I thought the scum team was (in no order): (1) Kaboose (dead), (2) Mala, (3) Titus OR swag. I said as much in my first post for today.

- That is, going into D2, I thought there are three scum candidates for two scum slots: Mala AND (Titus OR swag).

4. From the beginning of D2 until now, however, I am not sure that that is the actual lineup - but I am sure that they are all still scum candidates. Instead, whereas I previously thought Titus AND swag was an unlikely scum pair (being that I was suspecting both based off of interactions with/about Kaboose), I now think that there are additional developments since the beginning of D2 that alter the potential lineup.

- Specifically, Titus-scum has less of a buddy connection with Mala (per Ranger's Post 1782) AND Titus-scum has more of a buddy connection with swag (per GC's Post 1824). Consequently, if Titus flips scum, I would prefer a swag lynch over a Mala lynch. If Titus flips town, I have no preference between a Mala and swag lynch.

lol?

if titus is scum, i think mala is FAR more likely to be scum

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wow, reading the argument this page is like watching a two player qwop race

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so...

much...

derp

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I find out by Green's ISO, that he is actually rather consistent with his reads.

This is not a town tell. I'm going to be reviewing both Green Crayons and Titus this morning.

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/swallows bitter pill

jingle, you're wrong

tth is right

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Please, gentlemen,

do

go on. I want to hear where this conversation is going.

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Heartless, Swag: The posts that GC pointed to look like misdirection to me. I looked at things Kaboose said about GC. In particular, I looked at the progression of 323 (K hasn't noticed GC), 447 (no opinion), 756 (defends), 763 (K defends GC, over Mala).

Also we have GC not wanting to be recruited in 802/807, and in 1711 seems to be voting Kaboose against his will, possible bus. Then we have the deflection in 1842 posted above.

Are these the same observations? Please post pointers to the things you're seeing.

I also see plenty where GC could be distancing from Mala.

i looked at this again and it's all kind of circumstantial. and if you repeat the exercise w/ riddleton/titus slot and mala you find equally sketch stuff. i think what you're seeing dave is an artifact of kaboose just being scum. of course kaboose has an artifical reads progression: he's scum.

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Let it be known that w/r/t this game my brain is basically mush.

Spoiler:

vote titus

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Jingle. Head out of ass, please.

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jingle, swag, lone

vote titus

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Jingle. Head out of ass, please.

Nope. I believe that swag did a shitty fake guilty. Thus I believe that my win condition will be easier to fulfill if swag is dead. More to the point, I'm a vindictive asshole and I'm more than willing to Lynch town who fakeclaims guilties because that shit is unacceptable. It is damaging to both the game and the site, and it deserves punishment wherever it exists.

No offense swag, but your fake guilty is possibly the most offensive thing that you could have done and i want to lynch you because of it.

You can berate him after the game, I'm sure Anti will join you. You should vote Titus.

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Guys, you can get out the ruler after the game's over! X\

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The Kaboose paper trail goes right back to Titus; the associative tells are emanations of events occurring from the fallout of Post 996 and Post 1073.

The reads evolution on Kaboose throughout the game makes less sense as a natural progression and more sense as putting up the Phalanx once the serious attacks loomed. The first thing Titus posts about Kaboose is found in Post 1002 when she notes how Kaboose wasn't voting even though he was scum reading elle. From then on, though, she grabbed onto Post 1051 and never let go even though the reaction wasn't particularly town. For funsies, we even get a little revisionist history in Post 1074 when we hear Kaboose's ISO is "dripping with town motivation to crack the game," doubling down on a read that had evidence of showing cracks in the foundation.

She then has the incredibly strained angle in Post 1104 in the wake of Swag's obviously fake claim. Even if you

didn't

think the claim was obviously fake, the argument about how the mason claim should be lynched before the claimed guilty is terrible and doesn't hold up to even the mildest application of logic. We've been getting pushback from Titus every step of the way on the Kaboose read. I can just rattle off posts: Post 1053, Post 1074, Post 1180, Post 1521, Post 1603, and Post 1612. There's also the last moment move to try to get us to rejoin the Green Crayons wagon in Post 1689 by taking this strained "GC is scum if Kaboose is scum... or not" angle.

It's also apparent from how she talks about Anti that she's playing to his apparent meta experience with her. Anti will listen to me, though, so she's out of luck there.

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thank you

2 more to go

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mostly because it was ignored

now vote titus

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jingle i promise i will write swag a very strongly worded essay at the end of all this

or i'll ask tth to do it for me when i figure out i'm too fucking lazy to do so

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also, i will regale him with the tale of reinoe and calmly explain why nobody should aspire to play like he did

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subpar players rely on fake hammer gambits

you can be better than that swag

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jingle, can you do me a favor and knock the drink out of your own hand pull your own hair for me? thanks in advance

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uhhhhh excuse me but i've been here and i have no intention of shutting tth up

you can walk me through the mala read if you want. that would be nice

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because elle was suspecting your slot and was conf.

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also, i don't think you're a dumb ass if you're scum

you did everything right to try to protect kaboose. you just got really unlucky that he actually got lynched.

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As for if you meant mine, I don't like a Mala lynch because she's just started to contribute.

You didn't like a Mala lynch back when she wasn't contributing.

Whatever Mala is doing, it's the reason why you don't want to lynch her!

hey, so what was i talking about earlier...

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well yeah

eating a bowlful of rusty nails would also be stupid, but like quicklynching mala, no one is suggesting it

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Kaboose was all up in my ass.

o_O

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exactly zero of his posts say that

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Heartless, Swag: The posts that GC pointed to look like misdirection to me. I looked at things Kaboose said about GC. In particular, I looked at the progression of 323 (K hasn't noticed GC), 447 (no opinion), 756 (defends), 763 (K defends GC, over Mala).

Also we have GC not wanting to be recruited in 802/807, and in 1711 seems to be voting Kaboose against his will, possible bus. Then we have the deflection in 1842 posted above.

Are these the same observations? Please post pointers to the things you're seeing.

I also see plenty where GC could be distancing from Mala.

i looked at this again and it's all kind of circumstantial. and if you repeat the exercise w/ riddleton/titus slot and mala you find equally sketch stuff. i think what you're seeing dave is an artifact of kaboose just being scum. of course kaboose has an artifical reads progression: he's scum.

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IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER AT THIS POINT

then, i was just thinking "oh well, the interactions are really limited to... pretty much nothing and the reads progression makes no fucking sense."

that's not really conclusive when you think about it though

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Thanks. It wasn't clear if you were downplaying the stuff I was seeing, or confirming that it was the same stuff and downplaying it.
Sometimes that kind of thing is all there is to go on.

Moving along, I posted some stuff on Mala. I presume that you find it weaker than the Titus case? Beyond Titus who would be your next scum reads?

mala

some of the stuff there is dependent on a titus scumflip, though

the meta defense is so BLAH and the exception she posted is nonsequitur, and she's now avoiding me so there's that too

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you're an idiot

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but yes, that was the hammer

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and mala is a scum read

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alright, let's finish the clean sweep

VOTE: malakittens

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i'll high five anyone that hammers

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yes

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high five!

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...and Armageddon is on right now...

waiting....

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^5 tth!

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ALSO ZERO SLIPS TOTALLY CLEAN GAME

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Keeping Jingle alive is very suggestive of me as town.

hey jingle

do me a favor

print out the scum qt.

then get the page and rub it in your own face.

if you don't do it, i'm getting sthar to do it for me.

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Anti was being a pitbull on a leash, and dragging you along.

That's our hydra in a nutshell, hon.