Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Whatisswag]

I feel strongest town is Grib, elle, and Picard.

Lean town is swag, Kaboose. I have yet to see a case on either that'd actually convince me that my town reads are incorrect.

Heartless is null/lean town, as half of the hydra raises my hackles but the other half looks like genuine reading.

Titus is null/lean town, as I was reading Riddle as town and Ttus is hard for me to read - I wouldn't know what her scum game would look like.

That leaves Mala, Ranger, and dave. I doubt I'm right on all three, but this case has been mostly spot the town rather than find the scum, for me.

dave is town. So something about your null and town is wrong.

[Whatisswag]

I feel strongest town is Grib, elle, and Picard.

Lean town is swag, Kaboose. I have yet to see a case on either that'd actually convince me that my town reads are incorrect.

Heartless is null/lean town, as half of the hydra raises my hackles but the other half looks like genuine reading.

Titus is null/lean town, as I was reading Riddle as town and Ttus is hard for me to read - I wouldn't know what her scum game would look like.

That leaves Mala, Ranger, and dave. I doubt I'm right on all three, but this case has been mostly spot the town rather than find the scum, for me.

And I dont quite understand why picard is town. You were scumreading corpses until he replaced in. And he barely said anything.

[Whatisswag]

Shoot, I mixed up my replacements. Wait for a while...

[Whatisswag]

Ok.

Cptpicard is ILF replacement.
Mala is awesome replacement.
heartless is corpses replacement.
Titus is riddle replacement.

I need to refer to this more.

[Whatisswag]

LR, I want your reads.

[Whatisswag]

I believe dave is town more than I think anyone else here is town or scum.

[Whatisswag]

Walls are boring. GC's posts just aren't town. Flip GC and figure it out from there.

Wow this coming from you.

[Whatisswag]

It is really suspicious how Green's playstyle in this game is changing throughout the whole game.
I think currently we have some choices:
1) lynch Green
Well I want this
2) lynch LR
Well, I kind of dont support this.
3) lynch mala
Ok.

[Whatisswag]

Ok, we recall what happened between me and dave.

I was the most active player (though not necessarily the person leading town)
I called dave's posts useless and scum read him and the case was a shit case.
dave rages and votes me.

now let me quote this post made last year september which I only found out as I was reading past MD threads.

My tough one is scum leading town. The guy who is driving conversations, actually making (bogus) cases. Even worse, when they scum read me and the points are the slightest bit plausible (though obv false).

Note what he is describing is the exact same situation as what happened between me and him. (Except that I am not scum)

As scum, it simply does not make sense to rage and vote me.
But as town, well you can see it for yourself.

[Whatisswag]

I assume it is ok to use posts in MD to our knowledge.

[Whatisswag]

I am always happy to hammer.

[Whatisswag]

Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

Why? green is only at L-3. Why do you even care about hammering at this point? Looks like scum team to me.

[Whatisswag]

dave is town because of the OMGUS vote. That is the main reason why I am town reading him.

[Whatisswag]

1. I've read and reread the dave after the fact explanation for his "fuck off" vote, and it's always been very hazy in terms of where he actually lays out his justifications (as opposed to simply saying "no really I was suspecting swag before hand"). I'll reread it again to review whether I can verify that his "coughed up reasons" really check out.

So, I reread pages 1 through 13, and had a pretty good analysis of dave's swag vote and justifications and why it was potentially scummy.

Then I hit the key phrase in Post 259: "In case you haven't figured it out from my other posting, my vote

is not currently

an OMGUS. I'm seeing scummy things that have nothing to do with you incorrectly scum reading my playstyle."

I think it's pretty clear that dave's initial "fuck you" vote is a reactionary/OMGUS vote. I was under the impression that he then went on to try to justify that vote from the get-go as being based on actual suspicions. Rereading his posts, it's clear that he initially didn't have any swag suspicions, did a reactionary vote, that caused him to look closely at swag, and then his swag suspicions developed thereby transforming his swag vote into something more than an OMGUS vote. And I see he wasn't really saying anything different than that.


Welp.

lol, and now just decided to skim dave's ISO and saw this:

I then said that after getting ticked off I did a slow read through of swag up to that point and it looked scummy independent of the rage that prompted me to look.

WELP.

So do you have a conclusion on all this you're trying to reach?

You look like you are trying to tell Green to solidify his point further...

[Whatisswag]

Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

Why? green is only at L-3. Why do you even care about hammering at this point? Looks like scum team to me.

So? And so is LR. I said ANY wagon.

So why would I want to wait for everyone to be present before a hammer in a game with masons?

FFS swag.

I forgot about the LR wagon. I did not even realise people voted her. I need to pay attention to other people too.

[Whatisswag]

I assume it is ok to use posts in MD to our knowledge.

It's legal but it reads desperate as fuck.

Well, I was looking through those threads when I saw dave post. I was like "yay"

[Whatisswag]

I am in fact very happy with a green lynch. I feel that green's lynch is the key to breaking all the interactions. What exactly will my flip give you anyway? whether dave is scum?

[Whatisswag]

@swag:

By my so-called "scum team analysis", I think awesomeusername is scum. And obviously since there are masons I would not say out who are the others.

VOTE: awesomeusername

There my vote stays for the rest of the day.

@lone ranger, that I will need to check.

As we don't have to worry about you outing the masons, give your case on awesome and his potential scum buddies.

Awesome seriously does not like to vote. Neither does people like to vote awesome. Makes me think that he is purposefully avoiding voting others and the other scum are covering it for him.

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: Green Crayons

L-2

[Whatisswag]

Actually I think elle pretty much did nothing by claiming. I dont think it is going to affect the lynch.

[Whatisswag]

It was a relatively simple exercise of "take the player list and eliminate anyone Cheetory ever scumread or expressed legitimate doubts on." It only left Picard's slot.

This is the exact reason why I had thought Green and Kaboose were scum pair, together with a bit of elle or Mala.

[Whatisswag]

It was a relatively simple exercise of "take the player list and eliminate anyone Cheetory ever scumread or expressed legitimate doubts on." It only left Picard's slot.

This is the exact reason why I had thought Green and Kaboose were scum pair, together with a bit of elle or Mala.

Replace Cheetory with Kaboose, Green

[Whatisswag]

Grib is too different from what I know of him. I dont know how to read Grib.

So is it Kaboose, Green, Mala?

[Whatisswag]

elle is a good choice of recruitment as of day 1. As of day two, Green will be a better recruitment though.

[Whatisswag]

More like he's just immediately posting whatever thought runs through his head the second he thinks it.

Hmm... That is true.

[Whatisswag]

Lets see.

Heartless, Kaboose, Green, Mala, Titus, Grib, LR, dave.

Lets get heartless off that list.

Kaboose, Green, Mala, Titus, Grib, LR, dave.

Lets get dave off that list.

Kaboose, Green, Mala, Titus, Grib, LR.

Lets get Titus off that list.

Kaboose, Green, Mala, Grib, LR.

Well by this, there is at least one scum within Kaboose, Green, Mala. Chances are Grib and LR are not both scum. So that means two scum.

[Whatisswag]

Actually, instead of doing this piecemeal, I'd be curious to hear everyone's pool of 3 scum.

Ranked in order: Kaboose, Green, Mala

[Whatisswag]

Ok, question: Green or Mala? LR is not a person within my choices.

[Whatisswag]

Actually, Green does not look that possible lynch to me.VOTE: Malakittens

Come on, this is the best wagon at the moment.

[Whatisswag]

if i'm wrong on any of those, put titus in

Titus is town. LR is town. Just lynch Mala.

[Whatisswag]

Ok. Heartless is town. Titus is town, whoever thinks titus is not town can screw off. dave is town, whoever think dave is not town please request to get modkilled.

Now, (including myself for others' view)

{Kaboose, Green, Mala, Grib, Lone Ranger, Whatisswag} (This is coincidentally the order of my reads.)

I propose 6 different choices
1) lynch Kaboose. If Kaboose is scum, lynch Green. If Kaboose is town, lynch me.

2) lynch Green. If Green is scum, lynch Kaboose. If Grren is town, lynch LR

3) lynch Mala. If Mala is scum, then lynch LR. If Mala is town, lynch <insert whoever has been scumreading mala to a large extent>

4) lynch Grib. If Grib is scum, I dont think that is possible. If Grib is town, lynch Kaboose/Green.

5) lynch LR. If LR is scum, lynch Kaboose. If LR is town, lynch Green

6) lynch me. I am town. Now lynch Kaboose and Green and Mala and we win.

[Whatisswag]

Actually I dont really see anyway for us to lose considering we still have two mislynches.

[Whatisswag]

Just lynch Green. Whatever alignment Green is, his lynch provides us with more info than any other lynch.

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: Green Crayons

[Whatisswag]

Ah.

Also,

Score hi Titus!

I'm still VLa til Friday

This was

last

Friday. She's been off V/LA for a week. Everything she's posted since then has been useless.

Catching up tomorrow more than likely. Today I just wanna sleep :3

zzz

;-;

RL is kicking my ass. There's supposed to be a huge snowstorm which will keep me home tuesday or so I hope!

Okay, excusable.

Okay planning to start reading in an hour or so. I'll probably read for an hour or so then take a break and get back to it.

zzz

One thing I noticed I think from the last VC is I saw CptPicard giving lots of information out and then all of a sudden he flakes. That bothers me because the bit I saw I liked.

I can't wait til i'm fully caught

up to see why that was.

Is she caught up? No idea, her posts are too empty to know for sure. And she never gets back to talking about "why that was."

VOTE: GC

Naked vote.

oh btw titus is town.

Naked read.

VOTE: GC

Anything else to say?

heartless town.
titus town.
WiS likely town.
CptPicard maybe scum.
GC feels scum based off something i saw on this page, gut feeling.

More naked reads.

...

at elle and titus..

that is all...

She posted this after being asked multiple questions.

I remember from my first game that Mala likes to have naked reads.

[Whatisswag]

Not really sure how much I like your recent post WiS. I'm not really sure why you are advocating your lynch IF you know you are town. That feels off because as you said we have two mislynches why would you want yourself lynched and bring it down to 1 mislynch, doesn't make any sense

Because someone insists on wanting me lynched and I am just putting it there to fit everyone's view.

[Whatisswag]

Not really sure how much I like your recent post WiS. I'm not really sure why you are advocating your lynch IF you know you are town. That feels off because as you said we have two mislynches why would you want yourself lynched and bring it down to 1 mislynch, doesn't make any sense

Actually, thinking of it, lynching myself is not that a bad choice if you people agree to lynch Kaboose and Green after it.

[Whatisswag]

Swag, why have you let others try to defend you if you're town? Why are you bargaining around your lynch?

What is so bad? pretty much it is autowin from my perspective (that is if you guys listen to me).

@above, ok whatever.

[Whatisswag]

Btw, I am ready to hammer, whoever the wagon gets to L-1.

[Whatisswag]

I begin to more and more think Mala is not the third scum.

[Whatisswag]

But still, I continue to bet my lynch on Kaboose or Grren.

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: Green Crayons

Will read if I have time.

[Whatisswag]

I mean I love flirting as much as the next person here, but I mean seriously.

Jingle, you have already said it yourself.

You have no clue how'd I play scum so either meta it or give reasons why I "could be scum"

.

I really don't see titus being scum, I don't.

Also reason why WiS hasn't been lynched is even though the fake guilty he's still fucking town by meta and behavior and shit, anti-town due to the gambit, but town noneoftheless.

Ehh. I'd still lynch him. Faking a guilty should be punished. And I like to punish people with nooses.

And as for the bolded, I'm gonna take my sweet time.

I dont think by lynching me you are playing to your wincon.

[Whatisswag]

Lynch Green. Then we only need to deal with the last one, whom I dont care much about.

[Whatisswag]

Just search Kaboose's ISO and Ctrl+f "gc" or "green". You will see why they are partners.

[Whatisswag]

Testing \10char

[Whatisswag]

Oh yay, somehow my IP address got blacklisted yesterday, so I was unable to post for a while. I am back.

[Whatisswag]

Ok I just solved the game using wagon analysis, mason analysis and scum analysis.

Kaboose, Green Crayons and

Lone ranger is town, cptpicard is town, dave is town, I am town, Grib is town, Heartless is town

Mala, titus, elle are the possible left candidates for the final scum.

So I believe it is Kaboose, Green Crayons and elle.

VOTE: Kaboose

it was quite nice playing in this game.

I bet my lynch on the fact that there is at least one scum within Kaboose and Green.

Actually it should be kaboose, green crayons and mala. I think that is kind of more suitable.

It is probably Kaboose+ Green + (Mala/elle)

I believe that there are two scum out of this four.

Grib is too different from what I know of him. I dont know how to read Grib.

So is it Kaboose, Green, Mala?

Go Go Go.

[Whatisswag]

I find out by Green's ISO, that he is actually rather consistent with his reads. VOTE: Malakittens

[Whatisswag]

I reread Kaboose's ISO and I found two people whom he does not talk to: Titus and Mala. Ok guys, this game is over.

[Whatisswag]

It is highly possible that Kaboose is one of those people who are afraid to talk to their scum partners.

[Whatisswag]

Dave is town. It is not that useful to distract myself from you.

[Whatisswag]

No offense swag, but your fake guilty is possibly the most offensive thing that you could have done and i want to lynch you because of it.

No it is not. I have gotten modkilled before.

[Whatisswag]

I have thought about getting modkilled too.

It happens.

We could lynch outside of Kaboose and Whatisswag and see if the scumteam takes the possible bait.

No. I die, or Kaboose die. Of course I prefer the latter one. If neither is going to die, I will find a way to die.(How about requesting to get modkilled?)

[Whatisswag]

I prefer Mala to titus but whatever.

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: Titus

[Whatisswag]

Hmm Titus actually showed a huge defence. I dont really know why she went to such extent since it is obvious. There is always the possibility of just town defending.

[Whatisswag]

I think we should hypoclaim recruiting mason and who we will target n1

I'd recruit a null read. Because there's no weak modifier (ie. I don't die if I misrecruit) it basically acts as a 1-shot cop.

I would actually recruit a town read. I would rather to be able to talk to a conf town then to find a mafia.

the mason fishing is horrible.

Explain how hypoclaim is role-fishing since everyone claims.

@swag: How strong are your reads?

Not very strong
Green is towny.
Riddle is null-town
Rest are null.

I would say that Grib is town if dave is scum. And by the logic that scum likes to ignore their scum partners (which happens very oftenly), Green and NJAC are both not scum. I would think that one of {Corpses, elle, ILF} is his partner.

Wait a minute, I just saw something outside of this thread. dave is town too.

dave is conf town to me. I will be willing to be lynched instead of letting dave be lynched.

Shit. i just forgot there are masons. But whatever.

Just stop it.

Time to actually contribute and interact.

Why not start with Grib's question I said you missed?

Titus obviously thought that my claim was fake.

[Whatisswag]

I agree in theory. I disagree here, though. Sorry, Titus.


Is there another aspect of his D1 play that you think points to him being scum?

Yes. I do not think he's scumhunting at all D1. That plus mason fishing plus his vehavior day 2.

Not scumhunting does not make me scum.

I assume it is ok to use posts in MD to our knowledge.

It's legal but it reads desperate as fuck.

Why do I need to reach for such an out of context post just to get a town read?

Also, no one should be hammering ANY wagon right now if it comes to that

Not before we have everyone here

Why? green is only at L-3. Why do you even care about hammering at this point? Looks like scum team to me.

I have mentioned just a few posts to freeze the deadline so I am not in trial during that time. This is another reach to paint town as scum.

My logic is ok. Except that it is on the wrong person.

TTH, when you say something "hasn't been established" you are wrong and demeaning. GC did establish why Dave is scum, you just disagreed with him. To handwaive such evidence creates conflict. To be fair, I do handwaive myself but it's usually about gut cases and wifom. To have a case you spent time on dismissed without explaining why is not going to foster dialogue but tunnelling from both sides.

For instance, Swag saying Dave is town because OMGUS is recycled and worthless. OMGUS is more of a personality indicator. Swag is screaming Dave is obvtown for literally nothing. That's evidence Swag is scum and fabricating reads.

GC, Take a chill pill. It's ok.

How do you know that is a personality?

Swag's post is buddying.

Yes, Problem?

You outed one of us awhile back during Swag's fake thing. I would be VERY anti-town to explain further.

Why do you even mention it?

Great. Let's do it then.

VOTE: Swag

Why vote now but not earlier?

Swag, why have you let others try to defend you if you're town? Why are you bargaining around your lynch?

I suck at defending and I think that betting my lynch is a good way to show the strength of my reads.

Damn.. fake hammer no work. I drunk.

Apparently, you wanted to be the hammer. Why does that make a difference to you if you are town? Clearly a bussing Titus would want to hammer.

Game is over, Titus.

HAMMER

VOTE: Titus

Now I hope you are scum.

[Whatisswag]

jingle i promise i will write swag a very strongly worded essay at the end of all this

or i'll ask tth to do it for me when i figure out i'm too fucking lazy to do so

Well thank you.

[Whatisswag]

Actually I rather not.
VOTE: Green Crayons

[Whatisswag]

Vote Count Day 3.2

Players alive: 9

Players needed to lynch: 5

Green Crayons

- 2 - Titus, MalaKittens - (L-3)

MalaKittens

- 2 - davesaz, Whatisswag - (L-3)

Titus

- 2 - Green Crayons, Heartless - (L-3)

Players not voting: Grib, Jingle, Lone Ranger

Mod notes:
Malakittens has been prodded.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-02-18 23:01:00)

Hmm if there are 2 scum within those 3 people, I think it is titus and mala. But if there is only one scum within those (Which means Grib or LR or dave), then I believe it is Grib and Green

[Whatisswag]

Apologies for the delay.

Final Vote count Day 2.9

Players alive: 11

Players needed to lynch: 6

Green Crayons

- 1 - MalaKittens - (L-5)

Kaboose

- 6 - Heartless, Green Crayons, Grib, elleheathen, Titus, Lone Ranger - (L-0)

MalaKittens

- 1 - Whatisswag - (L-5)

Whatisswag

- 1 - Kaboose - (L-5)

Players not voting: CptPicard, davesaz

Mod notes:
Still looking for a replacement for CptPicard.

Kaboose has been lynched! Kaboose was a

Mafia Goon

Night two begins now! Night deadline will be 24 hours after a replacement has been found for CptPicard.

Actually it does not look that possible for Green and Grib. VOTE: Titus

[Whatisswag]

Titus' behaviour looks to be from town (Very town). But analyzing interaction will show only one possible scum team {Kaboose, Titus, Mala}

[Whatisswag]

If titus is scum, then the last one is mala.

If titus is town, then... we have green, grib, dave, mala, LR and it is impossible for the pair green/LR. I am townreading dave and scumreading Mala.

Well, I guess the lynch next day will be mala regardless of the outcome today.

[Whatisswag]

Since green/LR is not possible, there is lower chance for either of them to be scum than the other 3. If I was not clear.

[Whatisswag]

Boom.