White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[ika]

*yawn*

i love hos BBT keeps avoiding everything

[ika]

I love how you and CES are ignoring every single thing the other person says.

Where the fuck is Ank?

I love how you are still being stupid on your shitty tunnel right now and now trying to find anohter lynch to look for.

[ika]

Hey BBT how did you guys use your tokens?

We put 2 tokens in me for town.

[ika]

We used 10 tokens each to roll scum.

How can you accuse me of tunneling and looking for new lynches in the same post.

MFW.

MFW?

but yes i can accuse you of that cus your looking at lynches. I mean lets loom at the setup itself: if CES or I am scum and are lynched, the gaem is over yes?

so if your so convinced about CES/me or whatever. DOes it really matter about anybody else?

[ika]

but seriosuly BBt what did you guies do with tokens?

wheres ttius VCA?

[ika]

anyway off to poker night

[ika]

but seriosuly BBt what did you guies do with tokens?

wheres ttius VCA?

I just told you.

Titus did her VCA. I don't agree with her analysis and am therefore not sharing it.

and that is 100% anti town you know right?

[ika]

1896 - How is it anti-town?

I don't get the sudden elk/BBT thing? Why is this a thing now?

its rather simple actualy, what you are doing is not giving info to us. you are instead witholding info whihc is what scums will do.

and the argument of "i dont agree" is shit and you know it. She knows your alignment and its in your/towns best intrest to hear the viewpoints of everyone

do you think it cant be elk/BBT? cus i can certainly see it

[ika]

It obviously cannot be elk/BBT.

No, it isn't. I don't want to provide analysis I don't agree with.

that doesnt matter if you agree or not if your town you should share it by witholdin info (presuming your town) from another person who has town motivation you are playing in an anti-town matter

also explain to me how you guys are unaligned this i would love to hear

pedit: ank ninja me

[ika]

Why would I want to provide something I don't think is of high quality? It's shit VCA and it's not very detailed.

Ank, who is scum while you're here?

PEdit - I didn't say we were unaligned. Nice try.

I'm town and therefore a scum team of elk/BBT is impossible.

doesnt matter what YOU think, you get that right? already your implying that she is making CES town so i do want to hear where your teammate is disagreeeing

[ika]

And you're implying that you know I'm fucking town again. Why would we be disagreeing if I was scum?

If she disagreed with my scum read why would I mention she did the VCA at all?

I'd just say she hasn't done it.

show me where im supposivly implying it cus i really dont see it.

so now you stating her VCA agress with your reads? if thats the case why even withold? again you witholding info is jsut blaint anti-town and your not even adressing the real point im bringing up

Forget teams. Nobody gives a fuck about teams any more.

Independent scum reads.

Oh hell no, we can do annen/??? at least i would much rather look at teams more then look at indvidiuals cus thats just going to divide ppl even further

ank: do me a favor and get mollies read list again

[ika]

You imply it by assuming that Titus disagrees with my reads. She would not disagree if I was scum, would she?

Her VCA states that you/CES are scum. There isn't actually a whole lot of VCA in her post though. She thinks that you have found a way around her meta tell and she thinks if she is wrong on one of you then it's probably elk.

We can do Anen/???, sure.

I dont really imply it as you make it i'm jsut showing you how your play is bad if you are town. when i have limited info and vague statements i have to make a few assumptions and one of them being that her VCA would have diffrent results. If they reach the same conclusion that you have how is it bad or shallow?

also shes not in the game so im not looking at her shitty ass meta so tell her to stop insinuating shit right now

[ika]

Yes, you do.

Again, you're speaking as if I'm town here. When asking me to talk to Titus, why would you bother if you thought I was scum? Titus' comments wouldn't mean shit.

Actualy i think quite the opposite your jsut trying to force a viewpoint, but lets go with it for a miniutie and pretend that i am implying that. Is it a problemthat i am currently scumhunting you and asking you questions and interacting with you?

I dont see mysefl really even speaking you as town if anything im speaking on objective standpoint of how a town should play. If anything they way your acting towards me is as if you think im town

I bother with stuff like that to see how you go about doing it. Like i have clearly stated a lot fo why i do things and you keep trying to twist in in a negative light and not even really refute my points as a whole.

[ika]

Oh btw BBT, abotu 98% of what you are trying to argue with me can be easily refuted by the simple fact of WIFOM it can be easier to jsut state that titus never did it but its all WIFOM.

[ika]

hey BBT why did they kill anti?

im gonna sit here and wait for regfan, cus i see the team being in ces/reg/BBT

the real question is whos going to make the first draw

[ika]

Anti was obviously going to go back to CES after he realized I'm not scum.

Hey ika, given you're so widely town read, why do you suppose you're still alive?

cus scums think im gonna fuck up the lylo

i mean how come your not voting if your so intent on believeing CES is scum?

same for you CES if you so convinced why not just vote?

[ika]

ank tell me the probablitiy of each team right now:

BBT/Reg
BBT/CES
CES/Reg

pedit: one sec ill respond in anohter post

[ika]

1) Because voting in LyLo out the gate is dumb as fuck?

2) Because I'd be fucking pissed if I didn't at least try to work the game out in LyLo?

3) Because I don't want to vote CES and for something crazy like Reg and Ank to hammer?

Numerous reasons really.

4)How about before LyLo?
5)Why do you suppose you wasn't killed earlier?
6)What makes you think scum think you will fuck up LyLo?
7) How could you fuck it up?

PEdit - LOL, yeah, elk had a lot of influence on this game didn't he...do you think ika has ever been in any real danger of being lynched? At all? This entire game? Do you think he would be a problem for scum?

I would imagine he is.
bonus 8)You don't find it strange that Anti was killed?

1) fair but it goes back to the point of you are 100% convinced of it by your stance so why hesitate?
2) well if you want to work it out how about this:
i will not lynch: XXX
i will lynch: YYY

now fill out the chart and show us your stance

3) anks town so the fact your doing that is hilarious
4) ???
5) easy: tammy and zach are much better players then me and are major threats to scums. they are also very easy to be town and transparent.
6) my play, oh come on now BBT even you should know this from robbery at casino
7) i fuck it up by fucking voer scums
8) not really, he was vocal and not going to be lynched.

pedit: damn ninja post

[ika]

hey BBT why was anti killed?

you havent answer yet

[ika]

Mine I guess??

no go away we are dicussion shit

we dont need you here right now

[ika]

He was also very likely to be pushing a CES wagon toDay.

the more you say that the less convinced i get

now as for 2: you fill it out i asked first

adn answer the other question that i asked that you seem so insitiant on: why was anti killed?

[ika]

I've just fucking told you why Anti was killed; he was very likely to be pushing a CES wagon toDay. Holy shit.

I said you could fill it in for me because my answers are obvious.

Not lynching; Ank/Reg

Will lynch; ika/CES.

now vote

[ika]

Who is scum ika?

already said, why are you not reading

ank: is mollie around to give some input? do you also find it odd that BBT has never posted titus VCA yet?

[ika]

also ank do you need me atm? cus im kinda at the point of waiting on reg/CES to come back and talk

[ika]

BBT, whats the point of the nk dicussion? I see no gain from this atm.

An if you are going to argue im widly town read vs univeral thats logical fallcy.

If you want to argue it over tammy/zach, thats easy, they were also widly (if not univeral) town read and are argubly much better players then me.

[ika]

tell me when mollie decided on who it is and give her thanks

[ika]

BBT, whats the point of the nk dicussion? I see no gain from this atm.

An if you are going to argue im widly town read vs univeral thats logical fallcy.

If you want to argue it over tammy/zach, thats easy, they were also widly (if not univeral) town read and are argubly much better players then me.

Because it's fucking obvious why Anti was killed and it's fucking obvious why you've managed to survive all game.

well then if its so obvious you have no reason to talk about it right?

[ika]

I love how BBT is trying to goad you into voting me first right now and still trying to convince you that im scum who was able to subvert my scum meta and play on anti/tth, tammy, and zach

i love also how BBT continues to slectivly nitpick his things.

i love how bbt can back up his accusation witha vote yet

[ika]

I do have a serious queastion thoug BBT:

how come th pariing cant be ank/me?

[ika]

beep boop

ank has wisdom been reading this game at all?

(congrads on win btw)

[ika]

Ika, why do you think Ank is town?

before i answer something that should be obvious, why is he scum?

[ika]

you guys can wall post ech other to the end of time you you guys can throw doan and vote each ohter and force a 1v1

[ika]

No response to Titus' VCA you so desperately wanted ika?

All i have to say is team mafia nightless. I was echoing ank of wanting to see it and that you werent fakign it

you guys can wall post ech other to the end of time you you guys can throw doan and vote each ohter and force a 1v1

It's tempting but I don't really want to rush other people into voting.

If you don't want to read our wall posts, #2012-2015 and the fact that Titus' VCA takes you-me as its starting point should still tell you plenty.

i dont get why your trying to convince me of scum!ank still. you realize if BBt is scuma s you say the final scum is moot point? also you gys voting each other and making it apparent its not townvtown give us better ideas so i find you two witholding votes at this point to be dumb

its a simple thing here:
A) your both town: well good job you fucked it
B) your both scum: well good job you guys fucked yourself
C) one of you is scum: we get info and we can look from there

both of you are unconvincing of the other to me that one is scum so either you gusy cross vote and put up or i am going to continue to ignore both of you

[ika]

I don't like the position you're taking ika.

I also don't like how you're refusing to comment on anything.

Where the fuck are Ank and Reg?

then vote me for it and either scum claim to me or find out your wrong and lose the damned game or kindly fuck off. i really dont care what you thinkn about my positioning and what im doing and i really dont care for people who care more about their ego then listening for once and actualy taking into consideration other factors

REGFAN: when you get in here tell us who you think the scum pair is

[ika]

then vote me for it and either scum claim to me or find out your wrong and lose the damned game or kindly fuck off. i really dont care what you thinkn about my positioning and what im doing and i really dont care for people who care more about their ego then listening for once and actualy taking into consideration other factors

REGFAN: when you get in here tell us who you think the scum pair is

This post assumes I'm town.

Why won't you admit you're town reading me? (Know I'm town)

cus im not and your trying to imply things that are not true?

ive already made it clear so you can quit trying to imply things that are not there.

[ika]

so teams are

reg: BBT/ank
CES: BBT/ank
BBT: ika/CES
ank: BBT/reg
me: BBT/reg/CES

funny how BBT is univeral scum read now yet nobody votes for it.........

[ika]

That's the problem.

Everyone

is scumreading BBT.

I know, its quite telling....

I will see if anyone draws the same conclusion im drawing first before i say anything

[ika]

CES i ask again, whats the scum case on ank?

we can sit here all day and wall each other or someone here can spit out a fucking vote.

by the chart im the most town read so it shouldnt be me. and by the chatr BBT is universal scum read so i would argue he should vote but due to him being ego and scum reading me im dismissing it.

so CES/reg/ank one of you will need to put down a vote edventaly to move it foward and if you belive im going to be vote decider CES you should start with a vote

[ika]

seriously nothing from anybody?

well ill be here for an hr or so if anyone wants tot alk

[ika]

ika: How long are we going to pretend to not notice that CES and Reg are pretending to be awful at this game?

Not notice? are you kidding i have seen it and been pointing it out.

Im still trying to figure out why CES is trying to conivnce me of scum!you when he could jsut vote BBT since thats the scum read we both agreed on at the time

[ika]

CES i ask again, whats the scum case on ank?

I already posted this in 2011.

Ika, the point of not voting is that if we start voting, every single townie needs to vote correctly. If it's Ank-Regfan or BBT-Regfan*, loose votes just lose us the game. On that topic, I will also note that Regfan seems like an objectively better lynch to me considering BBT-me is obvious nonsense and the way Regfan seemed protective of me Yesterday - it loses to me-Ank but that shouldn't be an issue if you're town-reading Ank.

*This isn't nearly as absurd as it first seems. I was thinking about how I would've played it if I'd been scum with Regfan. Different nightkills is the obvious #1 thing, but Regfan pushing me Today wouldn't be a bad shout - given Ank's stated opinions, it would force a showdown between me-Ank and Regfan-BBT and then I get to take advantage of your town read on ika to get BBT mislynched, easy-peasy.

Yet in your 2011 post you also state you are going to vote BBT, you should also understand this is white flag so trying to convince me of scum!ank when lynching scum BBT end the gaem seems counterporductive and pointless no?

In your second phragraph, i dont care about objective lynches. I understant YPOV but that relies on you being town which im not convinced of so thats not going to happen. Also its not nonsense to see a you/BBT who are trying to avoid voting each other in the lylo right now due to it being white flag

Third pharagraph: walk me though your gameplay if you were scum with reg. Like tell me who you would myslynch and kill. Make an entire gameplay and show me how it would be argubly diffrent

Also, this just occurred to me - if I were scum with Regfan, why the hell would I hammer elk? Literally the last thing elk did was commit unconditionally to his tunnel on ika so if I get BBT lynched, I don't have to deal with a LyLo that's tilted against me.

Myslynch is myslynch. It was pretty much falling into a you or elk edventaly or do you think BBT could get my myslynch off?

Reg lining up to vote me is scummy as fuck. Reasons for thinking I'm scum in your next post would be great.

I should be reaching out to you and Ank? Neither of you have fucking been here, it's been me talking to both scum on my own. Ank has recently started contributing and now so have you (one post doesn't quite cut it though).

Reg, do you have any comments on anything I have posted over the last few pages? Anything at all?

I'm also going to point these out. I think it's obvious that you're going to be the decider here, ika (which is another reason why votes seem superfluous at best right now). BBT can see the same thing and has started discrediting Regfan. This makes perfect sense for BBTscum and is absolutely not the reaction of BBTtown that thinks you are scum.

I mean, BBT's position is pretty much unwinnable here if I were scum with you, ika, and his posts don't reflect that at all.

Pointint out someone who is building up to vote you is very scummy in a lylo. Also i find those to be rather real and not all that discredity.

Again you keep acting like im decider. If you are so confident in the ank/BBT just god damn vote. We get nowhere by not voting and trying to avoid it and keep telling me im decider is stupid

[ika]

now rge and ank need to come in and give their imput.

oh btw reg, i would like to see your vote too since you seem to be follwoing CES read

[ika]

ank, i want regfan to talk first before you jump vote

last time this happened at robbery at casino GC voted wrong person

[ika]

I'm fine with that. I can't give any timescale of when we'll be synced up anyways.

im fine im more waiting on reg to see if hes going to back up his accusations and vote BBT as well or try to sidestep

[ika]

hers n easy taks for the both of you:

point out assoicative tells that shows the other is scum with annen

[ika]

reg: its irrelevant what i think of ank if we are decidnign in betweetn BBT/CES

unless if you want to pull na ika and vote ank and force out the second 1v1 i find me stating to be pointless when i am reading ank based off meta

that being said i will look into this later i have some stuff i want to list off for BBT/CES that i have seen/think

[ika]

reg i dunno where you are but if you make another post thats not voting BBT, my vote will be snapped

[ika]

ank you should vote reg and see what happens

[ika]

so now you are calling it a BBT/reg team CES?

[ika]

ank you should vote reg and see what happens

I'm pretty sure that can't hurt but I'd rather have no messing about and 3 votes on BBT before I go to Orlandomeet on Saturday.

well unless if reg comes in here... you might be out of luck

we could dispute the me/you pair if ank votes by both of us posting while we are here

[ika]

Sorry, had a death in the family and spent last night consoling them.

Will get to this game when I get home from work tonight, know at the moment Zar agrees with Ank-BBT scum team (He pointed out some weird inconsistencies about their reads on each other to me two nights ago) and a BBT vote, hoping Mina pops in between now and then too as I'm getting more and more ready to throw down a vote.

OGC: sorry for yoru loss

on game: then vote already im like this close fromm snap voting you for this shit

[ika]

als not hammering to destory the CES/me team

[ika]

BBT, balls in your court

[ika]

I'm guessing not since you just made that comment actually so can you do so please?

i just got home from work so im catching up in everything, the only thing i noticed starigtaway was the BBT vote

[ika]

I want to see CES rebuttle and hear out wisdom first.

I will porb decide with ank in the next 48 hrs or so

[ika]

On what basis are you arguing that it can't be you-BBT?

I get that you would argue for Regfan and I obviously agree that Regfan is a better lynch than me but lynching BBT is a guaranteed victory and, especially with the way he's been posting Today, I don't think there is any reason to overthink BBTscum.

CEs this entire quote followed by how you act makes me think that you are scum.

you are stating "ya regs fine" but still put in BBT.

your playing double side game and are arguing that team is BBT-reg.

if you are arguing its BBT-ank that i dont see it

ank ill be around for a bit but i want BBT to be here as well

[ika]

then vote regfan and lets test some stuff

[ika]

vote regfan i want to see if anyone hops it

[ika]

gif is readin up now

[ika]

ika: What has GIF said? I'm very very close to being 100% sure of the scumteam and that's pretty much the only thing I think can change my mind at this point.

apparently he havent actualy read but i fed him gamestate and hes content on CES

but has one question for BBT: why are you town?

[ika]

What does he mean by 'content'?

What is his reasoning?

hes fine with the CES lynch (if you must know at day start he was fine with an insta vote on him)

[ika]

meh im fine i got work soon so theres not uch to add. i will state that if CES is town i do have some stuff to say for post game but again only if town

[ika]

VOTE: CES

and for the record: if im wrong i really dont care. this game has took more shit out of me then i can normaly handle

[ika]

If I'm wrong, I'm going to hate myself for a while for not requesting to switch into the theme back near the start of the game.

well prsuming your town and me knwoing im town the only way it can be wrong is if ti was somethign crazy like BBT-reg

[ika]

Yeah, I was town this game.

BBT+Reg would've been the ballsiest gambit to go for ever, although Regfan's last post firmly strengthened the CES+Reg scumteam read anyway, so.

ok good, im town too and that means that BBT is prob town.

god im so glad shit shit is over.

what i really want to see that would be even more balsy is it be BBT/CEs who were trying to cross bus in a lylo to throw us off