#93 High School Mafia - Day Five - GAME OVER

[Uraj45]

I see one real problem with that. Now that it's out in the open, if Talitha is innocent mafia will target her which would screw up the results. It would register as only one kill.

[Uraj45]

But I will say that I definately like the situation we're in. If there really is only one mafia left we have some nice breathing room.
Sorry to double post, I accidently posted instead of previewing.

[Talitha]

Sorry, Did I miss something? Why is my name being suggested for a vig kill???
- is very confused-
I agree with Uraj - Probably only one scum left. We're looking good to win this.

Preview isn't working so I'm going to post this now so can read back.

[Talitha]

Oh it's because I wasn't on the Vraak X lynch-wagon?
I'd like to draw your attention to this post:

Yeah - Vraak's behavious when Argoti was being lynched was interesting. It looked like he didn't want to miss the bandwagon, so he piled another vote on even though Argoti was already lynched.
I am going away for 2 days. Back before you know it!
unvote: melchizidek

Unfortunately, Vraak was already lynched by the time I got back.

If you're going to look purely at voting stats, then Uraj is the only person who didn't vote for Argoti or Vraak X. But honestly people, I'd be willing to bet that our final(?) scum was on one or both of those bandwagons. We may have to work a bit harder to find them than just looking at who didn't vote for scum.

[thorred]

I agree, Uraj. Good situation for the town.
I believe Uraj's claim. And Badandie's reason for voting Uraj does not convince me at all. And somehow Badandie avoided voting Vraak, just like Vraak avoided voting Argoti.
I was suspicious of melch, but looking back at the last few pages, BadAndie seems the most scummie. I'll read through again to make sure, then vote.

[Jaguar]

Hey, that's not a bad idea at all, Melch. I can go along with that.

vote: BadAndie

[Jaguar]

Doh. That teaches me for not reading the next page...

I still think that BadAndie is a likely target for scum and I will keep my vote where it is for now. I also agree that it is possible that if BadAndie isn't scum, scum could just sit by and not kill, expecting Uraj to kill or they would target the same person. I would like to think that if Uraj targeted someone we would have a different night scene and rather than someone showing up as a geek, having someone being beaten up and out of commission for a while (read the rest of the game).

[Uraj45]

Well, it might be or it might not be a different scene. I was told that when I beat up people they are considered uncool because they got beaten up by me, so I don't know.
I think I'll go with the bandwagon though and kill

somone

tonight, not neccesarily Talitha, just whoever I think is most suspicious but I'll hold my vote to avoid a speedy lynch. I think it's only two more votes to lynch.

[BadAndie]

wait wait WAIT! i am gone for a little over a day and people want to lynch me? why becuase when i got back i was too late to vote Vaak? Lets not forget that i was the one pushing for the lynch of both Arigoti and Vaak! and call me slow but i don't get it!

[BadAndie]

sorry to double post, but was talkin to someone and clicked the wrong thing.

But i am surprised to find that people are buyin that there were two jocks. I can understand something else as a townie. Meme was the jock, i don't think there would be another one.

so my vote (i think i placed one) stays

[melchizedek]

I am perfectly willing to believe that there are multipli jocks. I am willing to believe Uraj because his claim is testable. If you have a testable or believable claim I might be willing to believe you to.

[Jaguar]

And MeMe was specifically a "Jock" whereas Uraj claims to be more specifically, the quarterback of the Animal Mascots. If the remaining scum is not one of Talitha, BadAndie or Uraj, I'll have to go back to suspecting Melchizedek I suppose. At the moment I do not see a better target than BadAndie. And for reasons I think I outlined above, Talitha is not high on my scummie list either. But that could be simply because she is a great player

[BadAndie]

i still don't get why i am a good target?! someone please tell me instead of ignoring me.

[Jaguar]

i still don't get why i am a good target?! someone please tell me instead of ignoring me.

I have a list of four people that I think could possibly be the remaining scum: Melchizedek, Talitha, BadAndie and Uraj.

Melchizedek - voted for both Argoti AND Vraak. He took the kill shot on Argoti and was second to vote for Vraak after thorred. He did not post again before the end of day 2 to respond to Vraak’s role claim. Hhhm. He could be scummier than I thought. He puts vote on BadAndie after BadAndie Fos’s him.

we, or at least I, only became suspicious of VraakX when he tried to cause doubt about Uraj's claim. ... I propose we lynch BadAndie today. If she's not scum, Uraj kills Talitha. If there are two kills, one of which is Talitha, and Talitha isn't scum, then Uraj is cleared. If there is only one kill, or Talitha isn't killed, we lynch Uraj.

At first glance, this seems like a pretty surefire way to find the remaining geek and I thought so too. Of course, there are problems with this and these have been pointed out by others. Since the geek would know who Uraj is targeting he or she could do a number of things to make it look like Uraj is the scum. (That is, if Uraj isn't actually the scum) OK, so I am well on my way to go back to my original thinking that Melch could be scum, even though he voted for both Argoti and Vraak. Since he never posted after he voted for Vraak, it could be that he never had a chance to unvote and lynched him by mistake.

I'm in agreement with most of what has been posted so far today. Most closely looking at thorred right now, followed by Uraj. Also Vraak X, I can understand that he didn't have a lot of time to form opinions yesterday, but he hasn't really posted any opinions today so far either.

unvote: Uraj, vote: melchizedek

I'm not totally convinced about Uraj.... but at least he's posting.

She originally had Vraak as the last on her list of suspicious people. She later unvotes Melch because she is going out of town. (Understandable)

I also mentioned in my earlier post that I just don't see Talitha being scum due to her voting Vraak on day 1 and not realizing he was away. It could be a good mafia play, but she did pretty much lead the wagon against Argoti by voting for him and "catching his attention". I am still not convinced that Talitha could be scum, but of course, I have been known to be wrong.

BadAndie, you put up good evidence against both Argoti and Vraak and you reminded everyone that Vraak voted for Argoti after he was already dead. On day three you first FOS Melch as the cop was suspicious of him, but later you voted for Uraj. If you Fos’d Melch, why did you then go and vote Uraj? Are you still suspicious of Melch? If not, can you give me some reasons? Now I am convincing myself that maybe you couldn't be scum. Aaarg. Confusing!

As mentioned in a previous post, for now I don't find Uraj all that suspicious because I can see his claim being in this game.

Maybe we should be going after Melch today, see if he is scum when we lynch him. If he isn't scum, have Uraj go after BadAndie or Talitha (he can't very well go after himself) to verify his claim or else we lynch Uraj tomorrow.

unvote: BadAndie

because I have thoroughly confused myself.

[BadAndie]

[q]BadAndie, you put up good evidence against both Argoti and Vraak and you reminded everyone that Vraak voted for Argoti after he was already dead. On day three you first FOS Melch as the cop was suspicious of him, but later you voted for Uraj. If you Fos’d Melch, why did you then go and vote Uraj? Are you still suspicious of Melch? If not, can you give me some reasons? Now I am convincing myself that maybe you couldn't be scum. Aaarg. Confusing![/q]


Ok, here we go.

I still have the FOS on Malch, there is something funny about him. With Urjai, i just found it odd that he claimed a type of jock when there was another jock already in the game. So i figued i'd vote him, at the time i thought that it was worthy a vote. but then something else came up.

[q]I am perfectly willing to believe that there are multipli jocks. I am willing to believe Uraj because his claim is testable. If you have a testable or believable claim I might be willing to believe you to. [/q]

why do you want me to do a role claim when all i have on me is i THINK 1 vote.

for that reason

Unvote: Uraji

and

Vote: Melch[/q]

hope that answers your questions

[BadAndie]

sorry goof up [bVote: Melch[/b]

and sorry for the double post

[Jaguar]

Quick note to say I am offline until Tuesday. Hopefully I can get my computer reformatted before then, but you never know.

[Samadhi]

Speaking of formatting how about those posts people? Sheesh. It's a nightmare reading them! *goes back to deciphering*

[Samadhi]

But honestly people, I'd be willing to bet that our final(?) scum was on one or both of those bandwagons.

Agreed. And of those that voted I think that the most suspicious vote is Jaguar's.
Look at it this way, if you were scum and there were only two of you left, and it was looking bad for your scum-mate, wouldn't you want to slip in a vote somehow? You can't protect them because if you do the bandwagon is all over you, so you may as well.

No one else's votes were so convenient. They voted to get the job done (IMO). No one else seems the least bit suspicious to me. (voting or not)

Ironically, she's doing a good job of currying favor by analyzing the situation and pointing out how people aren't suspicious, eliminating everyone but herself. You're supposed to be casting more suspicion and confusion.

Vote: Jaguar

[BadAndie]

vote:Melchizedek

just making sure that my vote counts

[Talitha]

I've been looking over Yaw's posts.
Day 1: Randomly voted thorred in his first post. Suspicious of PBuG's behaviour but believed the roleclaim. Showed some suspicion of melchizedek, thorred & Argoti, but most suspicion of BadAndie.
Day 2: He shows most suspicion of Uraj & Melchizedek. Settles on Uraj with his vote. Unvotes when he is going away "because I don't want to be unconsciously involved in a lynch due to my absence".

Yaw's behaviour suggests to me that he got an innocent or "cool" result on both Nights 1 and 2. He hasn't been extremely vocal against anyone apart from PBuG (who we know was innocent) and Uraj. However he unvoted Uraj because he didn't want to accidentally lynch him. This suggests that he didn't know for sure that Uraj was guilty.
I'm trying to figure out who Yaw would've investigated on Night 2, because that person is almost certainly innocent. I think it would've been either BadAndie or thorred, because Yaw was suspicious of both of them Day 1, but didn't express further suspicion of them the next day.

I am quite suspicious of melchizedek - both for his early behaviour, and now he is suggesting a plan that could take us from our nice situation and into a lynch-scum-or-lose situation tomorrow. That's what will happen if we lynch wrong and Uraj kills a townie.

I haven't been getting scummy vibes from Jaguar... but now I think about it, she didn't really give me any scummy vibes in our last game together and she was scum! Samadhi had a good point earlier, about Vraak X expressing suspicion of thorred for not voting for Argoti, but ignored Jaguar. I've found that scum often don't know how to act around their mafia buddies in the thread and often will just ignore them.

So to sum up, I don't really like the BadAndie wagon.
Trying to decide between melchizedek & Jaguar atm.

[Samadhi]

Well, I don't think melchizedek is, and won't vote for him. I might reconsider if Jaguar ends up producing a believable role claim, but I don't think she can. Too many things are adding up against her. Plus, melch's comments about the Jock/Captain thing are somewhat bold. I know he's wrong, but I don't think scum would argue for the impossibility of multiple types of roles. I only think someone certain in their ability to make a unique role claim would argue like that (assuming they believed it).

[Samadhi]

Meh. I hate my syntax sometimes. Replace 'multiple types' with 'more than one of a role.' Also, replace 'argue like that' with 'argue for unique roles'. And add 'to be true' to the end of the parenthetical.

I hope that makes it a little clearer. :-/

[thorred]

Well, I just reread the whole game, and found that BadAndie I don't think is scum, because of her tiff with Argoti. Jaguar immediately jumped on me, Uraj and Vraak X in the new day. Would she have needed to do that if she was scum? I'm not sure. Melch I think is most scummy, just for that killing Talitha thing. He hasn't said much else in the game, then he comes up with that.

And Talitha just made me more confused. Now I think everyone's scum.

To add a little pressure, I'll add a second

vote on Jaguar

, and I nearly forgot to

FOS Melchizedek

.

[Talitha]

I only think someone certain in their ability to make a unique role claim would argue like that

Or someone who has already prepared their roleclaim. Both Argoti & Vraak had a unique roleclaim prepared. Unfortunately for them, we didn't believe the claims. But I think it's quite likely that scum have discussed and prepared roleclaims.

And Talitha just made me more confused.

Waiting for Jaguar's pc to be fixed, the weekend to be over, the mod to do a vote-count, etc etc.