Mafiascum.net

3 minutes, then bedtime.

Wondering why AJ told me to give him more time to remember how to scum hunt when he seems pretty sure in his scum hunting so far.

Thinking ffery might be town but pretty unhappy with her vote on me.

↑ Davsto wrote:

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:Xtoxm and Vedith riding the easy wagon to lynching.

QFT

↑ Davsto wrote:

↑ Starbuck wrote:Davsto's 110 and 112 feel slighty white-knighty to me. First, he says that he dislikes the way Xtoxm went about conducting the massclaim and sticks to a scumlean. Then he distances himself from that by saying that he sees the votes on Xtoxm as an easy and scum-driven wagon.

So which is it, Davsto? Are the folks voting for Xtoxm scummy or is Xtoxm, himself, scummy?

Both can be scummy at once.

The thing itself was scummy - yes - but not scummy enough for me to vote. The fact that people jumped on it and went "so scummy" reads as opportunism over genuine, to an extent.

Look at all these people davesto is willing to lynch.

Are you just gonna ignore the vigilante claim or...?

↑ Knuckles wrote:

↑ Xtoxm wrote:Well, idk i've like Vedith so far and though AJ is frustrating i'm not particularly feeling like his push on me is coming from a scum place? He's championed votes on me the loudest, i'd look more at one of the sheepers in Starbuck/ASP.

ASP I'll be fairly confident is town if he answers one more question correctly. Vedith has done literally nothing townish except for sheep the top wagon, why are you town reading him? AJ is loud but that doesn't make him town.

Vedith has felt like one of the more proactive players, I liked his response to my wagon, his pressure on you and his #168.

↑ Knuckles wrote:

↑ Sound of Silence wrote:You think a game this size could have two vig-ish town roles?

With wgeurts as a mod? Definitely.
Do you think Dave's claim comes from scum?

I didn't. There's a certain symmetry with our role. The symmetry is lacking with your claim.


p-edit. wasn't my vote, but I had hopes it would shake something loose.

This game is beginning to become the exciting experience I had hoped for. I have some fun plans formulating with Nacho's ability in mind.

↑ Knuckles wrote:Wondering why AJ told me to give him more time to remember how to scum hunt when he seems pretty sure in his scum hunting so far.

Let's just say this is not the only game I'm struggling in.

In the first completed game I have back as a replacement, i fucked up lylo and lynched a vi. The other replacement game, I came in, took charge and we ended up lynching some VI on a scum hammer. I got nk'd off and town just lost all motivation to post. My confidence so far is not producing results, but it's the style I've been choosing for lower-activity games.

P-edit: Are you reading, Nacho? I stated the vig claim is provable so I REALLY don't give a fuck about it.

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:

↑ Davsto wrote:

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:Xtoxm and Vedith riding the easy wagon to lynching.

QFT

↑ Davsto wrote:

↑ Starbuck wrote:Davsto's 110 and 112 feel slighty white-knighty to me. First, he says that he dislikes the way Xtoxm went about conducting the massclaim and sticks to a scumlean. Then he distances himself from that by saying that he sees the votes on Xtoxm as an easy and scum-driven wagon.

So which is it, Davsto? Are the folks voting for Xtoxm scummy or is Xtoxm, himself, scummy?

Both can be scummy at once.

The thing itself was scummy - yes - but not scummy enough for me to vote. The fact that people jumped on it and went "so scummy" reads as opportunism over genuine, to an extent.

Look at all these people davesto is willing to lynch.

What, 4 people? In a game where 3 are scum? If anything, an expansion is in order.

↑ Xtoxm wrote:I liked his response to my wagon,

Where was this?

↑ Xtoxm wrote:his pressure on you

A half-hearted sheep doesn't do much for me unless they're sheeping in a good place, which he's not.

↑ Xtoxm wrote:his #168.

"ASP lurking is normal but if it's harmful let's kill him"?

Gotta say I disagree, but we'll leave it at that.

You're town reading all of AJ/Nosferatu/Vedith?
Who are you scum reading?

Purging of lurkers is something that I always support.

↑ Aj The Epic wrote:

↑ Knuckles wrote:Wondering why AJ told me to give him more time to remember how to scum hunt when he seems pretty sure in his scum hunting so far.

Let's just say this is not the only game I'm struggling in.

In the first completed game I have back as a replacement, i fucked up lylo and lynched a vi. The other replacement game, I came in, took charge and we ended up lynching some VI on a scum hammer. I got nk'd off and town just lost all motivation to post. My confidence so far is not producing results, but it's the style I've been choosing for lower-activity games.

P-edit: Are you reading, Nacho? I stated the vig claim is provable so I REALLY don't give a fuck about it.

OK.
Let's find some direction we can agree on; you're not going to convince me of Xtoxm-scum at this point and I doubt I'll convince you of Xtoxm-town and the only real thing that can make me flip my read on you/make me feel better about you is scum hunting that gets me to see things I didn't before.

↑ Xtoxm wrote:Purging of lurkers is something that I always support.

Like which ones?

Nacho, if you think I'd be complacent about your lack of presence in this game after Swag Wars, then you might need to recalibrate.

↑ Vedith wrote:Just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean I think scum.

This bit. I mean, i'm not exactly attached to my reads yet, I feel like most people haven't done much of anything, and he's one of the more active players.

Aj, SoS and Knuckles are town. Especially knuckles, then Aj, and the shaky one is SoS.
wgeurts is mafia godfather.
I'll reread again and make an actual content post.

↑ Knuckles wrote:

↑ Xtoxm wrote:Purging of lurkers is something that I always support.

Like which ones?

Like you until 30mins ago, like ASP.

I dont like the fact Davsto contradicts with itself in 75 and 78. If a town truly believes something will not help town, he generally wont go with it unless he truly thinks he will make a difference. And for a great powerrole like vig... yeah.

Nacho what makes Starbuck town? We were talking about her yesterday and don't feel like she's come off as unequivcal town.

↑ fferyllt wrote:Nacho what makes Starbuck town? We were talking about her yesterday and don't feel like she's come off as unequivcal town.

mine

I hate this netbook.

↑ Xtoxm wrote:What, 4 people? In a game where 3 are scum? If anything, an expansion is in order.

Five people.
Xtoxm (3): Aj The Epic, Starbuck, A Simple Plan
+Xtoxm and Vedith.

No town reads.

↑ Davsto wrote:I don't think anyone is really scum for it (hence my lack of a vote), but I'm definitely not townreading anyone for it.

Sure, he has five "leans", no official town reads and no one he feels comfortable voting for.

VOTE: davesto

Xtoxm wrote:Purging of lurkers is something that I always support.

PSHHH
Maybe let the vigs do it. We have two claimed vigs, and while davesto may easily be lying about it ('parts of the roles I'd rather scum not know' but still claims) we can still just rely on them to do it and actually do real scum hunting here so our wagons aren't complete mockeries to reflect on because PLs

...Okay, I'm getting super passive-aggressive again. Someone needs to teach me the correct level for these games after.

I'm okay with an ASP lynch early on, he's basically a huge lurker from what I've seen and I'd rather get that out of the way sooner than at LYLO and fuck up everything. Probably a good idea for a compromise lynch if we haven't decided on scum by the end of the day.

As for the vig/dayvig combination, I'm willing to believe it; wgeurts is that kinda mod, and this game was advertised as Role Madness. Presumably, we've both got some more interesting abilities on top of this to distinguish us.

The fact that Xtoxm lied about his claim when starting a massclaim is pretty damn townie, there's no way in hell any scum other than those that rely on Refuge in Audacity would start a massclaim with a lie Scum would just stick to their fakeclaim.