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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:17 pm

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I'm almost positive I know what Tar is claiming. I'm pretty sure it is not Micheal (although he did make my short list). If I'm right, I think Tar would be quite surprised who my role is though...

I have more responses I want to make, but school has been kicking my ass. 3 tests last week, 2 tests and a legal report this week. A stupid service learning project where I have to do landscaping and raise over a $1000 dollars. Bleh! Not to mention classes are spiraling toward completion. I'm just glad I've got nearly an A average in all of them. I'd hate to be playing catch up right now.

I realize there are some players who don't want to give me any slack (and after some of my own stress induced snaps, I don't exactly blame them), but despite my erratic behavior I have what I believe are very valid concerns and although sloppy I think my logic plays out correctly.

Anyway, I just want to say I know I've been a little jerky and I don't want this to turn into an ab hom war, because I can see that it might do that if someone doesn't get out in front of that.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:50 am

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keep going, i'm trying to follow
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:03 am

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Kinetic, thanks for posting that. If we can all agree to treat each other with respect, even while disagreeing with each other, this game will be a lot more fun to play.

I had a question for you: could you explain your case against destructor a little more? All you said in post 112 in support of your vote was:
As for Destructor, I can already see what he is doing. He's trying to set up his own defense. He's asking for everyone's air tight reason before he votes himself. Then when I don't come up scum he can say "Well I was just following you guys." Look at the subcontext of his posts. He has gone out of his way to not say I look scummy so he can point to that later.
And then you didn't say anything else about him until post 159 ("Still happy with my vote on scum."), and then 169 ("I just know that destructor is scum. Or at least I'm almost positive that he is. I think joost has a chance of being scum, and I might change my vote if it will move the day forward, but I'm just much more comfortable that destructor is.").

Assume that I'm new to this game, and maybe a little slow :) Can you explain what makes you so certain about him? I'm absolutely with you that he COULD be scum, but you seem awfully sure -- what was it about post 106 that you think is so damning? Convince me!
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:47 am

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Jester wrote:
Joost wrote: Did you find what character of the show kills people who target them at night? And with that I mean did you find the role name of Tar?
Ummm... aheh. If we didn't already know Tar's claimed role, this line would look a hell of a lot like role-fishing. Tell you what, joost. I'm almost positive that I know Tar's role name. Why should I tell you (and everyone) what it is? What's the benefit to the town? Would knowing that lend Tar's claim more credibility in your eyes?
You don't have to tell me, I asked you that because you claimed that with Wikipedia you could find which character holds which powerrole in this game. I've browsed through Wikipedia and I found several possible names which could be Tar's. I don't think the town will benefit if we try to guess Tar's name. I think either he told us the truth or his role is not at all like he claimed it to be. Like Gemelli said, he could be that he doesn't want to be investigated. But I believe him and I think he's told us the truth.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:17 pm

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Sikario: It's been about three days since you joined. Have you finished your read yet? Would you mind sharing your thoughts on the game, and the players in it?
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:31 am

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Bah, I'm seeing our players active in other games, leaving us high and dry here. It's frustrating.

To reiterate, I've got two open questions that I'm waiting to have answered:

Destructor:
Destructor, you seem to be arguing that you find [Tar holding an anti-town "bomb" type role] to be the most likely scenario. Can you explain your rationale?


Kinetic:
could you explain your case against destructor a little more? [details in post 202 above]
To this I'll add a third:

Bubka:

What do you think about the game at this point; do you have any opinions on possible scum/town candidates? You really haven't contributed anything at all so far. Are you still interested in participating?
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:59 am

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Gemelli wrote:What rationale would an anti-town "bomb" have for revealing that aspect of his role? Wouldn't an anti-town player want a member of an opposing faction to find out about the bomb effect the hard way? (Since scum can communicate at night, there would be no risk of having his scummates affected by the role.) I also find it unlikely that Tar is a pro-town player who has chosen to lie about his role. I can't imagine why a pro-town player would want to do something like that on Page 1 of a game. I'm left believing that Tar is either a pro-town "bomb" role, or an anti-town role that really, really doesn't want to be investigated
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nice! I can only find one flaw in your logic, in that I can think of two reasons why a pro-town Tarhalindur might want to lie about their role in this way. I don't want to talk about those reasons yet, so instead I'll invite you not to completely throw out the possibility that Tar is lying. Still, for the moment, I don't believe that he is and I'm willing to take his claim at face value for now.
Kinetic wrote:Anyway, I just want to say I know I've been a little jerky and I don't want this to turn into an ab hom war, because I can see that it might do that if someone doesn't get out in front of that.
Fair enough. I'm still looking for an answer to the question I posted to you in my 196.
joost wrote:I asked you that because you claimed that with Wikipedia you could find which character holds which powerrole in this game.
It's not Wikipedia. It's a geek's knowledge of SG: Atlantis, though I'd probably have to look up some of the more obscure roles. ;)

And that's it. Six posts since my last, five days ago. That's depressing.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:30 pm

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Kinetic wrote:I'm almost positive I know what Tar is claiming. I'm pretty sure it is not Micheal (although he did make my short list).
If I'm right, I think Tar would be quite surprised who my role is though...


I have more responses I want to make, but school has been kicking my ass. 3 tests last week, 2 tests and a legal report this week. A stupid service learning project where I have to do landscaping and raise over a $1000 dollars. Bleh! Not to mention classes are spiraling toward completion. I'm just glad I've got nearly an A average in all of them. I'd hate to be playing catch up right now.

I realize there are some players who don't want to give me any slack (and after some of my own stress induced snaps, I don't exactly blame them), but despite my erratic behavior I have what I believe are very valid concerns and although sloppy I think my logic plays out correctly.

Anyway, I just want to say I know I've been a little jerky and I don't want this to turn into an ab hom war, because I can see that it might do that if someone doesn't get out in front of that.
Kinetic, I want you to name claim, and I want you to claim the character that you think I am. NOW. There is a reason for this, but I will not explain further at this time.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:18 am

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This game is getting more and more interesting.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:28 am

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Tarhalindur wrote:
Kinetic wrote:I'm almost positive I know what Tar is claiming. I'm pretty sure it is not Micheal (although he did make my short list).
If I'm right, I think Tar would be quite surprised who my role is though...


I have more responses I want to make, but school has been kicking my ass. 3 tests last week, 2 tests and a legal report this week. A stupid service learning project where I have to do landscaping and raise over a $1000 dollars. Bleh! Not to mention classes are spiraling toward completion. I'm just glad I've got nearly an A average in all of them. I'd hate to be playing catch up right now.

I realize there are some players who don't want to give me any slack (and after some of my own stress induced snaps, I don't exactly blame them), but despite my erratic behavior I have what I believe are very valid concerns and although sloppy I think my logic plays out correctly.

Anyway, I just want to say I know I've been a little jerky and I don't want this to turn into an ab hom war, because I can see that it might do that if someone doesn't get out in front of that.
Kinetic, I want you to name claim, and I want you to claim the character that you think I am. NOW. There is a reason for this, but I will not explain further at this time.
I thought about this for a whole 2 seconds, and then left the board because I couldn't believe what I just read. Then I came back and checked again and I'll be damned, you really did post that.

I think the only thing I can say is this: Refer to your own posts if you want my answer to you.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:22 am

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Kinetic, I'm 90% sure that you claimed scum in your post 200. If you are town, then you WILL answer my question in your next post. If you fail to do so, then you are scum and I will lock on.

Unvote, Vote: Kinetic
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:36 pm

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What? What manner of obfuscatory scumship is this?! If Kinetic's town he will, at your whim, answer your question? Natually, at this point in time I'm inclined not to be believe what you say, Tar, and find this sort of ultimatum from you outright weird, given that I think you're Michael-scum.

I'll have responses and stuff posted in a few days, at most.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:36 pm

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I'm feeling abit lost here, Tarhalindur, can you please demostrate why you think Kinectic claimed scum?
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:21 pm

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lordy wrote:I'm feeling abit lost here, Tarhalindur, can you please demostrate why you think Kinectic claimed scum?
I'd like to know this as well... because if you're who I think you are, you might actually BE scum. I just think that who I'm thinking of is the only person who might act like you're saying.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:24 pm

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O SHIT!

I know who Tar is!

I was wrong before!

Tar is not scum.

I think...
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:31 pm

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Ok... after doing some research I've turned up three different people that Tar could be...

>>

Now I'm COMPLETELY lost...
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:08 pm

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I still haven't really read... will do.

How is a role that kills Cops a viable pro-town role? Has there been a precedent for a role like this and if so, how common a role is it? I still find it really unlikely and it's sounding to me a like a gambit by Tar to deter people from investigating him.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:11 pm

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To those of you who are asking why I think Kinetic may have just claimed scum:
Tarhalindur wrote:I don't want to claim because I might still be able to counterclaim scum should they claim one of two names (my own role name,
and a role name that is unlikely to be in the game as town given my presence here
). Don't bother asking what the second role name is - that would ruin any chance of me counterclaiming foolish scum, and the second role name in question will be blazingly obvious when my own rolename is finally revealed. (If you're wondering why I didn't mention that second rolename earlier, it's because I didn't think about the second rolename until the mass name claim discussions.)

I have, however, breadcrumbed my rolename, and will produce the breadcrumb if and when I need to claim in full.

I'm not sure whether I die if I am NK'ed (my flavor is ambiguous on the matter), and I see no reason to inquire further at this time.
Remember this quote? My reason for pressuring Kinetic has everything to do with that second rolename (his comment made the most sense if he had the rolename in question).

Kinetic's failure to claim is scummy, but his apparent realization about my possible role is enough to stave off the lock on for now - his new claim offers another way of confirming or refuting my suspicions.

Kinetic, which Stargate Atlantis character did you originally believe I was?
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:12 pm

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EBWOP: "new claim" = "O SHIT! I know who Tar is! I was wrong before!"
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:29 pm

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destructor wrote:tor"]I still haven't really read... will do.

How is a role that kills Cops a viable pro-town role? Has there been a precedent for a role like this and if so, how common a role is it? I still find it really unlikely and it's sounding to me a like a gambit by Tar to deter people from investigating him.
This is a CDB game. In previous themed games, CDB has been known to use unusual roles if said role fit the flavor, as you of all people in this game should realize. I fail to see how this game is different.

In fact, your argument is pretty much craplogic. You're pushing a far-fetched theory (saying that I am Michael when there is at least one other character that fits my ability better) in order to cast suspicion on a player widely believed to be town, and following that up with an argument that is a) gaming the mod, and b) something that I find it very difficult to believe that you are sincere about given your experience in previous games. That's a pretty strong scumtell for me, especially after seeing another scum use much the same tactic in another game.

Resolving the Kinetic situation remains my top priority, but know that
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:43 am

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I'm not going to tell you who I thought you were when my thought train hit there. I will, however, tell you all of my possible suspicions.

Since my role is linked to one of them, and how everyone is so gung ho on no claim, I'll err on the side of caution and go with that. If everyone else intends on claiming, I have no qualms with claiming, but until then I'm not going to give anything away for free.

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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:10 am

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I didn't think of Ford at all. I had one other character Kinetic hasn't mentioned in mind besides Michael, who I really doubt would be anti-Town, but I didn't think the abilities Tar mentioned fit the flavour well enough. Ignoring alignment, Ford fits flavour-wise, but about as well as Michael.

I have no idea why you've mentioned the others.

*goes to wikipedia*
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:28 am

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Tarhalindur wrote:This is a CDB game. In previous themed games, CDB has been known to use unusual roles if said role fit the flavor, as you of all people in this game should realize. I fail to see how this game is different.
Why should I know what sort of roles CDB includes in his games? I've played in one, and it's on-going, so I shouldn't really comment too much, suffice to say that even considering this, I don't know why think I should know about CDB and his inclusion of unusual roles in his games. And regardless, is it inconceivable that this game
is
different? I don't like where you came from here at all.
Tarhalindur wrote:In fact, your argument is pretty much craplogic. You're pushing a far-fetched theory (saying that I am Michael when there is at least one other character that fits my ability better) in order to cast suspicion on a player widely believed to be town
What are you trying to say here? Because most players seem to accept that you're town, I should not think otherwise? Regarding the Michael thing, see post above.
Tarhalindur wrote:... and following that up with an argument that is a) gaming the mod...
Gaming the mod? I assume you mean metagaming (or maybe metamodding?) CDB. I don't think that's what I did, but are you saying this is scummy? Isn't that what you just did at the start of your post?

I asked, pretty specifically, if anyone had seen a pro-town role that could kill the Cop before. Am I out of line, being sceptical of something like this?
Tarhalindur wrote:... and b) something that I find it very difficult to believe that you are sincere about given your experience in previous games. That's a pretty strong scumtell for me, especially after seeing another scum use much the same tactic in another game.
Please elaborate on my insincerity. And what exactly were you referring to as as scumtell?

And if it doesn't violate any rules, please link us to the game you saw scum use this tactic in.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:39 am

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the problem is, in the mafia games i played before i cam here, there was always a random lynch on day 1. scumhunting right from the start is yet to become a habit, and i am totally confused.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:09 am

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Kinetic wrote:I'm not going to tell you who I thought you were when my thought train hit there. I will, however, tell you all of my possible suspicions.

Since my role is linked to one of them, and how everyone is so gung ho on no claim, I'll err on the side of caution and go with that. If everyone else intends on claiming, I have no qualms with claiming, but until then I'm not going to give anything away for free.

As I see it, there are
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four possible roles for you, but I will not explain the whys to them.

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Dr. Watson
Nevermind. You've just made it clear to me that you are not, in fact, claiming who I thought you were. I'd prefer not to specify why at this time, but I can do so if necessary. Suffice it to say that something in your post completely invalidates my original belief.
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